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1. 12:48 AM - Diatribe (Ernest Martinez)
2. 04:38 AM - Re: MMO and oil changes (A. Dennis Savarese)
3. 05:07 AM - Re: MMO and oil changes (A. Dennis Savarese)
4. 05:51 AM - Re: 52 Warning Horn (PeteAbbott@aol.com)
5. 06:01 AM - Re: Re: 52 Warning Horn (A. Dennis Savarese)
6. 09:32 AM - Re: intake drain kit (John W. Cox)
7. 01:16 PM - Re: Diatribe (cjpilot710@aol.com)
8. 01:54 PM - Re: Re : Hooker harness installation ()
9. 09:13 PM - Re: Just to stir the poop about using MMO (Ron Davis)
10. 09:23 PM - Re: For what it's worth, based on 50 years experience (Ron Davis)
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
Guys,
While the subject of MMO has captured our attention, beyond all other
factors of aviation, may I suggest that we consider this subject
concluded by the fact that some of us can swear by the virtues of the
product, while others may still be skeptical of the magical elixer. We
can all agree to disagree on this matter. It is imperative to
understand however that it is the exchange of information which
benefits us all. This is the foundation of any club or association.
The free exchange of information free from commercial bias which is
what makes this list thrive.
While good natured jests like " My Yak is better than your CJ" is
always welcome here on this list, we need to refrain from using this
list as a bully pulpit to voice our personal opinions, not relevant to
aviation.
I will be the first to admit that I have been known to "be a little
vocal" in my views with respect to non-aviation banter, I have tried
to keep my mouth shut( which is really hard for me). The current
debate about MMO is great "while a little more than I needed to know"
it has been a great exchange of ideas, opinions, and at times a great
source of technical truth. Keep it up, this is what this list is all
about, this is what makes the archive so valuable.
Ok, so what is this sermon all about you're asking????? I'll just say
that I've been spooked by something that can screw up a good thing.
Lets stay focused.
Its my way of saying thanks to all of you guys who do the typing and
make this list worth while.
Ernie
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| Subject: | Re: MMO and oil changes |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <DSAVARESE@ELMORE.RR.COM>
Steve,
Here are a couple of links describing engine oil analysis.
http://theoildrop.server101.com/whatisoilanalysis.htm
http://www.bae.umn.edu/extens/ennotes/ennov02/engine.htm
Here's a link to a copy who manufactures aircraft engine oil analysis kits.
http://www.avlab.com/
Hope this helps.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steven A Johnson" <sajdds@comcast.net>
Subject: Yak-List: MMO and oil changes
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Steven A Johnson" <sajdds@comcast.net>
>
> Mark
>
> I truly appreciate all the information. When I examined the spark plugs
> I did not really know what to look for. They were slightly dark with no
> obvious deposits. At two of the examinations they were looked at by
> people who know about such matters and they thought the plugs looked
> good and did not need cleaning. What should I be looking for? I can
> understand why you are considering flying a 50/50 mix of 93 octane
> automobile fuel and 100 LL. Are you concerned with the potential damage
> caused by alcohol and other additives. Again I do not have any
> background in this area but the articles I have read scare me.
> Regarding the frequency of oil change question: I know at least some of
> the carbon is escaping from the engine with my oil because the oil
> smeared all over the bottom of my plane is anything but clean. I am not
> familiar with oil testing but does that tell you anything about the
> quality of the oil? It would seam that with the correct type of test it
> could be determined if my premise is correct that the oil reaches a
> steady state prior to the point most people change it. What do oil tests
> show? How often should they be done?
> Steve
> Yak 52, N9900X
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: MMO and oil changes |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <DSAVARESE@ELMORE.RR.COM>
It's early here in AL. I meant to say "company" instead of "copy". Sorry
about that.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <DSAVARESE@elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: MMO and oil changes
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese"
<DSAVARESE@ELMORE.RR.COM>
>
> Steve,
> Here are a couple of links describing engine oil analysis.
> http://theoildrop.server101.com/whatisoilanalysis.htm
> http://www.bae.umn.edu/extens/ennotes/ennov02/engine.htm
>
> Here's a link to a copy who manufactures aircraft engine oil analysis
kits.
> http://www.avlab.com/
>
> Hope this helps.
> Dennis
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steven A Johnson" <sajdds@comcast.net>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: MMO and oil changes
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Steven A Johnson" <sajdds@comcast.net>
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > I truly appreciate all the information. When I examined the spark plugs
> > I did not really know what to look for. They were slightly dark with no
> > obvious deposits. At two of the examinations they were looked at by
> > people who know about such matters and they thought the plugs looked
> > good and did not need cleaning. What should I be looking for? I can
> > understand why you are considering flying a 50/50 mix of 93 octane
> > automobile fuel and 100 LL. Are you concerned with the potential damage
> > caused by alcohol and other additives. Again I do not have any
> > background in this area but the articles I have read scare me.
> > Regarding the frequency of oil change question: I know at least some of
> > the carbon is escaping from the engine with my oil because the oil
> > smeared all over the bottom of my plane is anything but clean. I am not
> > familiar with oil testing but does that tell you anything about the
> > quality of the oil? It would seam that with the correct type of test it
> > could be determined if my premise is correct that the oil reaches a
> > steady state prior to the point most people change it. What do oil tests
> > show? How often should they be done?
> > Steve
> > Yak 52, N9900X
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 52 Warning Horn |
--> Yak-List message posted by: PeteAbbott@aol.com
I am new to the Yak 52. I followed all the notes regarding the gear down or
up on landings. My 52 has a horn that sounds if you put down the flaps and
the gear are not down and locked. Is this on all 52's or was this added later?
Pete Abbott
N852GC
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| Subject: | Re: 52 Warning Horn |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <DSAVARESE@ELMORE.RR.COM>
That was added later and is not standard on 52's. Who did you purchase your
airplane from Pete?
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: <PeteAbbott@aol.com>
Subject: Yak-List: Re: 52 Warning Horn
> --> Yak-List message posted by: PeteAbbott@aol.com
>
> I am new to the Yak 52. I followed all the notes regarding the gear down
or
> up on landings. My 52 has a horn that sounds if you put down the flaps
and
> the gear are not down and locked. Is this on all 52's or was this added
later?
>
> Pete Abbott
> N852GC
>
>
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| Subject: | intake drain kit |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
Fire sleeving over the braid transporting combustible fluids might improve
an already good idea, but just remember to periodically remove and inspect.
John Cox
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich GS11
Mark G
Subject: RE: Yak-List: intake drain kit
--> Yak-List message posted by: Bitterlich GS11 Mark G
<BitterlichMG@cherrypoint.usmc.mil>
The best drain kits for the M-14 come from Mr. Kimbell down in Florida.
What makes them "better" is that he uses braided lines to connect everything
together instead of solid aluminum tubing. The latter eventually cracks.
I know next to nothing about the hs6a, but maybe the same parts would fit?
Mark Bitterlich
N50YK
advertising on the Matronics Forums.
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--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
In a message dated 2/9/2005 3:49:11 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
erniel29@gmail.com writes:
Ah! but Ernie, sometime in the not distant future, one newbie will come
forth and in an attempt to become informed about the same subject and questions
on MMO will again come up. Are we to just ignore him? Should we have ignore
you? No, in life you either a student or teacher.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
PS. Don't forget Saturday!
--> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
Guys,
While the subject of MMO has captured our attention, beyond all other
factors of aviation, may I suggest that we consider this subject
concluded by the fact that some of us can swear by the virtues of the
product, while others may still be skeptical of the magical elixer. We
can all agree to disagree on this matter. It is imperative to
understand however that it is the exchange of information which
benefits us all. This is the foundation of any club or association.
The free exchange of information free from commercial bias which is
what makes this list thrive.
While good natured jests like " My Yak is better than your CJ" is
always welcome here on this list, we need to refrain from using this
list as a bully pulpit to voice our personal opinions, not relevant to
aviation.
I will be the first to admit that I have been known to "be a little
vocal" in my views with respect to non-aviation banter, I have tried
to keep my mouth shut( which is really hard for me). The current
debate about MMO is great "while a little more than I needed to know"
it has been a great exchange of ideas, opinions, and at times a great
source of technical truth. Keep it up, this is what this list is all
about, this is what makes the archive so valuable.
Ok, so what is this sermon all about you're asking????? I'll just say
that I've been spooked by something that can screw up a good thing.
Lets stay focused.
Its my way of saying thanks to all of you guys who do the typing and
make this list worth while.
Ernie
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| Subject: | Re: Hooker harness installation |
--> Yak-List message posted by: <lie.buyse@pandora.be>
Thanks for the info Bob
Lieven
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Fitzpatrick" <rmfitz@direcway.com>
Subject: Re: Re : Yak-List: Hooker harness installation
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Bob Fitzpatrick <rmfitz@direcway.com>
>
> I have installed a Hooker in my 52 and it works great. Can't remember
> who told me how to do it but this works:
> The ratchet on is the front belt, ratchet to the right. This belt is
> attached to the airframe. I used 1/8" cable to extend down to the
> frame. I consider this my primary belt. At 6'3"" with a seat pack it is
> the only way to keep your head off the Plexiglas when negative. Outside
> of a crash or belt failure this is all you would need.
> Everything else attached the same places the Russian belts did : belt to
> the seat, crotch to the floor and shoulders to the frame.
> Note BOTH systems attach you to the frame and not just the seat. Also
> note all of the second system must connected to give you the
> protection of a 5-point harness (as opposed to two 3-point systems if
> you connect the crotch to the bottom belt and shoulders to the top belt).
> Always hook the bottom belt first an tighten the ratchet. Then connect
> the 5 points at the top belt. This way the crotch strap protects the
> primary latch from being accidentally opened by some wild stick
> thrashing.
> bob
>
>
> yse@pandora.be wrote:
>
> >--> Yak-List message posted by: "lie.buyse@pandora.be"
<lie.buyse@telenet.be>
> >
> >
> >----- Oorspronkelijk bericht -----
> >Van
> >: lie.buyse@pandora.be [mailto:lie.buyse@telenet.be]
> >Verzonden
> >: zaterdag
> > 5, 2005 07:55 PM
> >Aan
> >: yaklist@matronics.com
> >Onderwerp
> >: Re: Yak-List: Hooker harness installation
> >
> >Thank you for the information.
> >If there is anyone who already installed this type of harness in his/her
Yak, I would like to know how and where an attachment point can be made for
this second (backup) seat belt.
> >Lieven Buyse
> >RA1428K
> >
> >
> >
> >>----- Oorspronkelijk bericht -----
> >>Van
> >>
> >>
> >: Wesley Warner [mailto:warner.wesley@gmail.com]
> >
> >
> >>Verzonden
> >>
> >>
> >: zaterdag
> > 5, 2005 02:42 PM
> >
> >
> >>Aan
> >>
> >>
> >: lie.buyse@pandora.be
> >
> >
> >>Onderwerp
> >>
> >>
> >: Re: Yak-List: Hooker harness installation
> >
> >
> >>Lieven,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Questions :
> >>>
> >>>- belt with ratched must face rearwards (so on the left side) with the
attachment on the seat pan?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>It would be better to attach the belts to the airframe rather than the
> >>seat. However, you can just attach it to the place where the original
> >>belts were. If this is the seat, then that's ok.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>- "front" belt attachment point somewhere on the airframe or on the
seat pan together with the former one?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>No, the second belt is a backup for the first. It should be attached
> >>at a different point.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>- shoulders straps and crotch strap to be clicked on the same strap?
the front or the rear one? or maybe shoulders rear and croth front?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>The crotch strap should be clipped to the front belt, while the
> >>shoulder straps should be on the rear belt.
> >>
> >>Wes
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Just to stir the poop about using MMO |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
But don't forget that Jorgen thinks a clean engine is a bad engine.
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| Subject: | Re: For what it's worth, based on 50 years experience |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
Lee,
You said: Oil does not "wear out".
Actually multi-viscosity oil does wear out. Little strands that are
straight when they are cold and curl up when they are hot are what gives the
oil two viscosities. Over time they break and don't increase the viscosity
at high temperatures.
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