Yak-List Digest Archive

Sat 02/12/05


Total Messages Posted: 15



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     1. 01:35 AM - Re:Aerogloss wax (Cliff Umscheid)
     2. 04:57 AM - Formation Training Flying W New Jersey (Yak52w@aol.com)
     3. 05:33 AM - Formation Training Flying W (Yak52w@aol.com)
     4. 09:00 AM - Re: Re:Aerogloss wax (Walt Fricke)
     5. 11:44 AM - [ Ray Gage ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares)
     6. 04:56 PM - a good day. (cjpilot710@aol.com)
     7. 05:36 PM - Re: a good day. (ByronMFox@aol.com)
     8. 05:45 PM - Re: A good day (cpayne@joimail.com)
     9. 06:31 PM - Re: Re: A good day (Jay Land)
    10. 06:38 PM - Re: a good day. (cjpilot710@aol.com)
    11. 06:43 PM - Re: Re: A good day (Terry)
    12. 08:54 PM - Re: Re: A good day (Ronald Kalemba)
    13. 08:56 PM - please de-list (ATPCFIMD@aol.com)
    14. 09:35 PM - Re: a good day. (Ernest Martinez)
    15. 09:59 PM - Green with envy (Barry Hancock)
 
 
 


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    Time: 01:35:51 AM PST US
    Subject: Re:Aerogloss wax
    From: Cliff Umscheid <netmaster15@juno.com>
    --> Yak-List message posted by: Cliff Umscheid <netmaster15@juno.com> Walt, where can I buy Aerogloss wax, is it available in some chain store? Thanks, Cliff Umscheid On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 13:52:55 -0800 (PST) Walt Fricke <walterfricke@yahoo.com> writes: > --> Yak-List message posted by: Walt Fricke <walterfricke@yahoo.com> > > There's no reason to argue about wax. Use Aerogloss. It cleans and > polishes without ANY build-up and does not etch the paint. It's > easy to apply (with a damp cloth), you can go right after thick oil, > exhaust stains or bugs, wipe it on with a bit of elbow grease (not > much) and let it dry....for weeks if you like.....then it just takes > a light buffing action with a terrycloth rag and you have a > clean...shiny airplane. No washing, no water spots, no wax build > up, no "409" paint etching. I've used this, and only this, for 20 > years on award winning aircraft from a Great Lakes (fabric covered) > trainer to a T-28 oil and exhaust covered bug bagger. (Hopefully > Barry can attest to it's qualities on the latter) > > > aaron marshall <aaron@marshallservices.com> wrote: > --> Yak-List message posted by: "aaron marshall" > > Hey,......... Marvel Mystery Oil. I've used that stuff for years - > T6, > Stearman, Bonanza, Golf cart, air tools, and now my YAK.. I mostly > just > like the way it smells! > > > I've enjoyed reading the Banter back and forth so far. Anyone up > for > arguing about wax? > > Aaron Marshall > YAK 52TW > N343DC > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 04:57:47 AM PST US
    From: Yak52w@aol.com
    Subject: Formation Training Flying W New Jersey
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    Time: 05:33:11 AM PST US
    From: Yak52w@aol.com
    Subject: Formation Training Flying W
    --> Yak-List message posted by: Yak52w@aol.com The Northeast Redstar Pilots are planning the Second Annual Formation Training weekend at Flying W airport (N14) in Southern New Jersey on March 18-19-20. All are invited and instructor qualified pilots participation would be greatly appreciated. The success of last year will be tough to exceed this year but we hope to expand our training effort and prepare for the mass Formation flights at Sun and Fun. The airport features a hotel, restaurant and bar on site and really helped host a great Clinic last year. many of the Northeast pilots received an invitation directly, but if you are planning to attend or need more info please email me @ _tastevens1@aol.com_ (mailto:tastevens1@aol.com) and I will get you the particulars. Or call, Phone 856-222-1000 x103 Days Cell 609-922-0547 Tim Stevens


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    Time: 09:00:08 AM PST US
    From: Walt Fricke <walterfricke@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re:Aerogloss wax
    --> Yak-List message posted by: Walt Fricke <walterfricke@yahoo.com> Sporty's sells it by the Gallon. seems spendy but you can do a Yak for a couple of years with a Gallon. There's no WAX in it. Cleaning and polishing compound only. Nothing to strip off the next time you use it. But it does look like you've waxed your A/C when done. Cliff Umscheid <netmaster15@juno.com> wrote:--> Yak-List message posted by: Cliff Umscheid Walt, where can I buy Aerogloss wax, is it available in some chain store? Thanks, Cliff Umscheid On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 13:52:55 -0800 (PST) Walt Fricke writes: > --> Yak-List message posted by: Walt Fricke > > There's no reason to argue about wax. Use Aerogloss. It cleans and > polishes without ANY build-up and does not etch the paint. It's > easy to apply (with a damp cloth), you can go right after thick oil, > exhaust stains or bugs, wipe it on with a bit of elbow grease (not > much) and let it dry....for weeks if you like.....then it just takes > a light buffing action with a terrycloth rag and you have a > clean...shiny airplane. No washing, no water spots, no wax build > up, no "409" paint etching. I've used this, and only this, for 20 > years on award winning aircraft from a Great Lakes (fabric covered) > trainer to a T-28 oil and exhaust covered bug bagger. (Hopefully > Barry can attest to it's qualities on the latter) > > > aaron marshall wrote: > --> Yak-List message posted by: "aaron marshall" > > Hey,......... Marvel Mystery Oil. I've used that stuff for years - > T6, > Stearman, Bonanza, Golf cart, air tools, and now my YAK.. I mostly > just > like the way it smells! > > > I've enjoyed reading the Banter back and forth so far. Anyone up > for > arguing about wax? > > Aaron Marshall > YAK 52TW > N343DC > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 11:44:24 AM PST US
    Subject: [ Ray Gage ] : New Email List Photo Share Available!
    From: Email List Photo Shares <pictures@matronics.com>
    --> Yak-List message posted by: Email List Photo Shares <pictures@matronics.com> A new Email List Photo Share is available: Poster: Ray Gage <FamilyGage@aol.com> Subject: Ray Gage Yak-52TW Waycross http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/FamilyGage@aol.com.02.12.2005/index.html o Main Photo Share Index http://www.matronics.com/photoshare o Submitting a Photo Share If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the following information along with your email message and files: 1) Email List or Lists that they are related to: 2) Your Full Name: 3) Your Email Address: 4) One line Subject description: 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic: 6) One-line Description of each photo or file: Email the information above and your files and photos to: pictures@matronics.com


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    Time: 04:56:20 PM PST US
    From: cjpilot710@aol.com
    Subject: a good day.
    --> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com We got Craig Payne's Lead flight check out of the way today. He now are one! Doing the honors as check pilot was Bob Mahanor of the T-34 Association. (They're not doing much flying lately) :) I flew the #2 slot, Bill Mills #3, and Erie Martinez at #4. We rendezvous at OCF, sortie over to Leeward, sortie back to OCF where Payne bought us lunch. We than headed home to FD44. Did some loops with Bill on my wing. We had a lot of laughs at Mahanor's temporary grounding (he has a T-34 but I think I mentioned that). This went on until he pointed out that Craig had not passed his check ride at that point. AT THAT POINT, we shut up. We tested my machine gun on the OCF ramp. Works great! Typical Florida winter day, CAVU and 72. Great day with great friends. Jim "Pappy" Goolsby


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    Time: 05:36:19 PM PST US
    From: ByronMFox@aol.com
    Subject: Re: a good day.
    --> Yak-List message posted by: ByronMFox@aol.com In a message dated 2/12/05 4:56:52 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, cjpilot710@aol.com writes: Did some loops with Bill on my wing. Pappy, as a matter of lead technique so that #2 has enough reserve airspeed to be safe, how do you lead the loop? What entry airspeed, power setting and G-load do you hold as lead? Thanks, Blitz


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    Time: 05:45:55 PM PST US
    From: "cpayne@joimail.com" <cpayne@joimail.com>
    Subject: Re: A good day
    --> Yak-List message posted by: "cpayne@joimail.com" <cpayne@joimail.com> Yes indeed, Florida in the winter is tough! My thanks to Check pilot Bob Mahanor who managed to suffer through our insults and still do the check-ride (lunch helped). "Pappy" Goolsby, Bill Mills, and "Ernie the M" of Yak-list fame rounded out the stick guys, others joined in for the fun later. Bob has *promised* to stomp me in a race with his big engine T-34 if the feds ever let him fly it again. Any odds? BTW, we are talking about a mini-clinic at Leeward before SNF for newbies in the area. All ashore that's going ashore... Craig Payne


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    Time: 06:31:29 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: A good day
    From: Jay Land <jland@popeandland.com>
    --> Yak-List message posted by: Jay Land <jland@popeandland.com> Congrats Craig! Jay > From: "cpayne@joimail.com" <cpayne@joimail.com> > Reply-To: yak-list@matronics.com > Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:45:29 -1200 > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Subject: Yak-List: Re: A good day > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "cpayne@joimail.com" <cpayne@joimail.com> > > Yes indeed, Florida in the winter is tough! My thanks to > Check pilot Bob Mahanor who managed to suffer through our > insults and still do the check-ride (lunch helped). "Pappy" > Goolsby, Bill Mills, and "Ernie the M" of Yak-list fame > rounded out the stick guys, others joined in for the fun > later. > > Bob has *promised* to stomp me in a race with his big engine > T-34 if the feds ever let him fly it again. Any odds? > > BTW, we are talking about a mini-clinic at Leeward before > SNF for newbies in the area. All ashore that's going > ashore... > > Craig Payne > > > > > > >


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    Time: 06:38:29 PM PST US
    From: cjpilot710@aol.com
    Subject: Re: a good day.
    --> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com In a message dated 2/12/2005 8:36:40 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, ByronMFox@aol.com writes: Blitz, & all, The way I do it (may not be right) is push the power up from my normal cruise of 28" to 30" to 31". and 2300 rpm. At 180 mph (slight dive) I start pulling 2.5 to 3 Gs. I keep a constant rate of pitch change all the way around. I don't release the back pressure to 'float' across the top, so my loop is not really very round and I tend to lose a little altitude at the bottom. We probably could inter with a little more speed, but I found the biggest problem is getting to slow at the top. The secret is getting the G's on early before the speed bleeds off to much the first part of the loop. To slow a pull and you run out of poop near the top and both you and your wingman 'flop' over the top. At least that's how we did it today. "Pumper" could elucidate it better. Pappy --> Yak-List message posted by: _ByronMFox@aol.com_ (mailto:ByronMFox@aol.com) In a message dated 2/12/05 4:56:52 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, cjpilot710@aol.com writes: Did some loops with Bill on my wing. Pappy, as a matter of lead technique so that #2 has enough reserve airspeed to be safe, how do you lead the loop? What entry airspeed, power setting and G-load do you hold as lead? Thanks, Blitz


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    Time: 06:43:43 PM PST US
    From: "Terry" <talew@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: A good day
    --> Yak-List message posted by: "Terry" <talew@comcast.net> Craig, If you can put this together I would like to be there. Terry Lewis ----- Original Message ----- From: <cpayne@joimail.com> Subject: Yak-List: Re: A good day > --> Yak-List message posted by: "cpayne@joimail.com" <cpayne@joimail.com> > > Yes indeed, Florida in the winter is tough! My thanks to > Check pilot Bob Mahanor who managed to suffer through our > insults and still do the check-ride (lunch helped). "Pappy" > Goolsby, Bill Mills, and "Ernie the M" of Yak-list fame > rounded out the stick guys, others joined in for the fun > later. > > Bob has *promised* to stomp me in a race with his big engine > T-34 if the feds ever let him fly it again. Any odds? > > BTW, we are talking about a mini-clinic at Leeward before > SNF for newbies in the area. All ashore that's going > ashore... > > Craig Payne > > > > > > >


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    Time: 08:54:35 PM PST US
    From: Ronald Kalemba <emu21@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Re: A good day
    --> Yak-List message posted by: Ronald Kalemba <emu21@sbcglobal.net> Craig, Congratulations on your lead checkride!! Ron Kalemba


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    Time: 08:56:42 PM PST US
    From: ATPCFIMD@aol.com
    Subject: please de-list
    --> Yak-List message posted by: ATPCFIMD@aol.com please take me off the yak list.


    Message 14


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    Time: 09:35:53 PM PST US
    From: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: a good day.
    --> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com> I'd like to second my heart felt gongrats to Craig...."jolly good job well done". Craig served as an excellent lead(as usual) and it was fun to fly 4 off of seasoned FAST pilots for an hour. I'd like to re-iterate the call for a mini formation clinic here at Leeward Air Ranch. We have 3 CJ's on the field ready to go, and I will be in touch with our SE co-ordinator in short order to make this official. I am proposing the 2'nd week of March since this is the date which falls in with our locals here which need either FNG training or WING recomendation rides. Will all intersested parties please respond ASAP so I can arrange accomodations. SHANE CALL ME!!! Ernie On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 17:03:03 -0800 (PST), cjpilot710@aol.com <cjpilot710@aol.com> wrote: > --> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com > > We got Craig Payne's Lead flight check out of the way today. He now are one! > > Doing the honors as check pilot was Bob Mahanor of the T-34 Association. > (They're not doing much flying lately) :) > I flew the #2 slot, Bill Mills #3, and Erie Martinez at #4. We rendezvous > at OCF, sortie over to Leeward, sortie back to OCF where Payne bought us > lunch. We than headed home to FD44. Did some loops with Bill on my wing. > > We had a lot of laughs at Mahanor's temporary grounding (he has a T-34 but I > think I mentioned that). This went on until he pointed out that Craig had > not passed his check ride at that point. AT THAT POINT, we shut up. We > tested my machine gun on the OCF ramp. Works great! > > Typical Florida winter day, CAVU and 72. Great day with great friends. > > Jim "Pappy" Goolsby > > >


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    Time: 09:59:17 PM PST US
    Subject: Green with envy
    From: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
    --> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net> OK, even the fighter jocks will enjoy the heck out of this...... Cable or DSL is probably necessary for this 16 minute slice of heaven. =A0http://www.canardzone.com/content/JetFlightInMountains.wmv




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