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1. 01:21 AM - Free FMS (Jerome Van Der Schaar)
2. 07:37 AM - Re: Tunica Air Races (Terry Calloway)
3. 05:20 PM - helmets (Terry)
4. 05:44 PM - Re: helmets (Daniel Fortin)
5. 06:27 PM - Danville, VA Airshow June 25/26 (Shane Golden)
6. 07:09 PM - Re: Danville, VA Airshow June 25/26 (Jay Land)
7. 07:11 PM - Re: helmets (Terry)
8. 08:01 PM - Re: helmets (Bill Geipel)
9. 08:08 PM - Re: Re: Red Star (Ron Davis)
10. 08:08 PM - Re: sutton (Ron Davis)
11. 08:24 PM - Re: sutton (Bill Geipel)
12. 08:32 PM - Re: Duha! (Ron Davis)
13. 08:39 PM - Re: helmets (A. Dennis Savarese)
14. 08:50 PM - Re: helmets (Bill Geipel)
15. 09:16 PM - Re: helmets (Ernest Martinez)
16. 09:17 PM - Re: helmets (A. Dennis Savarese)
17. 09:24 PM - Re: helmets (cjpilot710@aol.com)
18. 09:30 PM - Re: sutton (Ernest Martinez)
19. 11:07 PM - Re: Re: Leather Helmets (Ron Davis)
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jerome Van Der Schaar" <jvds30@hotmail.com>
Found this interesting site:
http://www.pocketfms.com/
Here you can download a free FMS for you PDA...
Jerome
www.yakkes.com
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| Subject: | Re: Tunica Air Races |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Terry Calloway" <tcalloway@datatechnique.com>
Linedog,
I just wanted to remind you I am waiting for your contact info on this
show.
Pumper
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Terry" <talew@comcast.net>
Hi,
I need to know if a hard helmet is required for FAST formation training and the
check ride.
I have a soft, headset friendly helmet that similar to a leather helmet, but I
get conflicting info. as to what is acceptable
for training.
I just hate to spend the big bucks on a helmet when I don't
even know if I can check out.
Terry Lewis
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Daniel Fortin" <fougapilot@hotmail.com>
Terry,
A helmet is not required for any RPA formation training, checkride or
airshow performance. OTOH, wearing one is a very good idea and a fair amount
of guys wont fly without theirs. I would recommend to any one to wear one,
I would if only I wasn't so tall, I have tried mine many times in the CJ and
it simply don't fit, don't have freedom of head movement.
Hope it helps,
Dan
>From: "Terry" <talew@comcast.net>
>Reply-To: yak-list@matronics.com
>To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Yak-List: helmets
>Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 20:19:52 -0500
>
>--> Yak-List message posted by: "Terry" <talew@comcast.net>
>
>Hi,
>I need to know if a hard helmet is required for FAST formation training and
>the check ride.
>I have a soft, headset friendly helmet that similar to a leather helmet,
>but I get conflicting info. as to what is acceptable
>for training.
>I just hate to spend the big bucks on a helmet when I don't
>even know if I can check out.
>Terry Lewis
>
>
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| Subject: | Danville, VA Airshow June 25/26 |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Shane Golden <scgsmg@direcway.com>
The folks in Danville are requesting 6-10 aircraft for mass form, strafing
runs, static display, PR rides etc. for their airshow. Dates are 25/25 Jun
with arrival on the 24th.
They are offering to provide fuel (practice and airshow), oil, rooms, vans,
and food. If anyone's interested please let me know.
Thanks,
Shane Golden
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| Subject: | Re: Danville, VA Airshow June 25/26 |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Jay Land <jland@popeandland.com>
They need an L39 jet??
J
> From: Shane Golden <scgsmg@direcway.com>
> Reply-To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 21:26:37 -0500
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: Danville, VA Airshow June 25/26
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Shane Golden <scgsmg@direcway.com>
>
> The folks in Danville are requesting 6-10 aircraft for mass form, strafing
> runs, static display, PR rides etc. for their airshow. Dates are 25/25 Jun
> with arrival on the 24th.
>
> They are offering to provide fuel (practice and airshow), oil, rooms, vans,
> and food. If anyone's interested please let me know.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Shane Golden
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Terry" <talew@comcast.net>
Thanks Dan for this information.
I am short enough to wear a helmet and I plan to use one,
however as I said, I really need to actually check out as a wing man before
investing $700 or more for a helmet. I agree that if it possible to wear a
helmet by all means do so.
Terry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Daniel Fortin" <fougapilot@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: helmets
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Daniel Fortin" <fougapilot@hotmail.com>
>
> Terry,
>
> A helmet is not required for any RPA formation training, checkride or
> airshow performance. OTOH, wearing one is a very good idea and a fair
> amount
> of guys wont fly without theirs. I would recommend to any one to wear
> one,
> I would if only I wasn't so tall, I have tried mine many times in the CJ
> and
> it simply don't fit, don't have freedom of head movement.
>
> Hope it helps,
>
> Dan
>
>>From: "Terry" <talew@comcast.net>
>>Reply-To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
>>Subject: Yak-List: helmets
>>Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2005 20:19:52 -0500
>>
>>--> Yak-List message posted by: "Terry" <talew@comcast.net>
>>
>>Hi,
>>I need to know if a hard helmet is required for FAST formation training
>>and
>>the check ride.
>>I have a soft, headset friendly helmet that similar to a leather helmet,
>>but I get conflicting info. as to what is acceptable
>>for training.
>>I just hate to spend the big bucks on a helmet when I don't
>>even know if I can check out.
>>Terry Lewis
>>
>>
>
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Bill Geipel <czech6@earthlink.net>
Don't need a helmet.
Don't need a flight suit, However, some folks will complain or make comments.
Save your money for gas.
Yak is 2 seat aerobatic trainer. So was the C-150 Aerobat.
That will upset somebody I'm sure.
-----Original Message-----
From: Terry <talew@comcast.net>
Subject: Yak-List: helmets
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Terry" <talew@comcast.net>
Hi,
I need to know if a hard helmet is required for FAST formation training and the
check ride.
I have a soft, headset friendly helmet that similar to a leather helmet, but I
get conflicting info. as to what is acceptable
for training.
I just hate to spend the big bucks on a helmet when I don't
even know if I can check out.
Terry Lewis
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
All you can get from FAR/AIM is facts. There's a much broader range of
information here. Broader and much more entertaining.
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
My favorite Sutton story is the non-ad for Red Star he placed on CJAA
claiming his home airport is served by three airlines and has "an aerobatic
box over the airport".
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Bill Geipel <czech6@earthlink.net>
I like you already!
You have to admit, without him we would have nothing to discuss. NOT!
-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Davis <l39parts@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: sutton
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
My favorite Sutton story is the non-ad for Red Star he placed on CJAA
claiming his home airport is served by three airlines and has "an aerobatic
box over the airport".
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
I have a friend that had a similar experience with resistors. He told me
that if they wrote resistors in Roman numerals instead of metric he'd be
whiz at it.
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <DSAVARESE@ELMORE.RR.COM>
Helmets are optional, but Nomex flight suits are required at all RPA
formation training events.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Geipel" <czech6@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: helmets
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Bill Geipel <czech6@earthlink.net>
>
> Don't need a helmet.
> Don't need a flight suit, However, some folks will complain or make
comments.
> Save your money for gas.
> Yak is 2 seat aerobatic trainer. So was the C-150 Aerobat.
> That will upset somebody I'm sure.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Terry <talew@comcast.net>
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: helmets
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Terry" <talew@comcast.net>
>
> Hi,
> I need to know if a hard helmet is required for FAST formation training
and the check ride.
> I have a soft, headset friendly helmet that similar to a leather helmet,
but I get conflicting info. as to what is acceptable
> for training.
> I just hate to spend the big bucks on a helmet when I don't
> even know if I can check out.
> Terry Lewis
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Bill Geipel <czech6@earthlink.net>
I stand corrected. Please let me know where that is written so that I may brush
up on my information.
Thank you.
-----Original Message-----
From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <DSAVARESE@elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: helmets
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <DSAVARESE@ELMORE.RR.COM>
Helmets are optional, but Nomex flight suits are required at all RPA
formation training events.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Geipel" <czech6@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: helmets
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Bill Geipel <czech6@earthlink.net>
>
> Don't need a helmet.
> Don't need a flight suit, However, some folks will complain or make
comments.
> Save your money for gas.
> Yak is 2 seat aerobatic trainer. So was the C-150 Aerobat.
> That will upset somebody I'm sure.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Terry <talew@comcast.net>
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: helmets
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Terry" <talew@comcast.net>
>
> Hi,
> I need to know if a hard helmet is required for FAST formation training
and the check ride.
> I have a soft, headset friendly helmet that similar to a leather helmet,
but I get conflicting info. as to what is acceptable
> for training.
> I just hate to spend the big bucks on a helmet when I don't
> even know if I can check out.
> Terry Lewis
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
Actually Bill,
It subjected to the FAST guru of the signatory. The RPA fast powers at
be STRONGLY advocate the use of Nomex suits gloves and boots at RPA
sanctioned events, I understand that the mandatory helmet requirements
has been waived, but I'm going on hearsay.
Can you confirm Mike F....???
Ernie
On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 22:49:31 -0600 (GMT-06:00), Bill Geipel
<czech6@earthlink.net> wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Bill Geipel <czech6@earthlink.net>
>
> I stand corrected. Please let me know where that is written so that I may brush
up on my information.
>
> Thank you.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <DSAVARESE@elmore.rr.com>
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: helmets
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <DSAVARESE@ELMORE.RR.COM>
>
> Helmets are optional, but Nomex flight suits are required at all RPA
> formation training events.
> Dennis
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Geipel" <czech6@earthlink.net>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: helmets
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: Bill Geipel <czech6@earthlink.net>
> >
> > Don't need a helmet.
> > Don't need a flight suit, However, some folks will complain or make
> comments.
> > Save your money for gas.
> > Yak is 2 seat aerobatic trainer. So was the C-150 Aerobat.
> > That will upset somebody I'm sure.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Terry <talew@comcast.net>
> > To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Yak-List: helmets
> >
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Terry" <talew@comcast.net>
> >
> > Hi,
> > I need to know if a hard helmet is required for FAST formation training
> and the check ride.
> > I have a soft, headset friendly helmet that similar to a leather helmet,
> but I get conflicting info. as to what is acceptable
> > for training.
> > I just hate to spend the big bucks on a helmet when I don't
> > even know if I can check out.
> > Terry Lewis
> >
> >
>
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <DSAVARESE@ELMORE.RR.COM>
Directly in the RPA Formation Training Manual with current updates available
for downloading from the RPA web site.
Below is the Policy change dated January 2004. About half way down you will
see the current Mandatory Safety Equipment list.
Dennis
RPA FAST Training Policy Changes
Jan/2004
Click here For a printiable version
What are the changes:
A reduction in the list of mandatory required individual safety equipment.
A new policy governing inoperative rear seat instruments allowing some
inoperative repeater instruments to be placarded and or removed IAW
applicable FARS.
The introduction of a recommended Airshow Kit of documents to bring to all
RPA flight training functions.
Changes affect who:
All pilots participating in flight training in RPA FAST formation clinics
and performing in RPA sponsored Airshow formations. Outside of this criteria
these policies will not apply.
When did the changes go in to affect:
February 1st, 2004
Why the changes?
These changes are being implemented to insure our association clinics are
meeting the intent of our desire to operate safe, informative and fun
training events/clinics, while not putting unrealistic expectations on the
aircraft operators. In all cases, our intent is to insure three items are
met:
1. All flight operations are executed in a safe, disciplined manner at all
times.
2. All Federal Aviation Regulations are complied with during Association
events and training clinics.
3. The program remains focused on the associations responsibility as a FAST
signatory in preparing safe and qualified formation pilots for participation
in the US and Canadian Airshow industry.
Folks, be assured we have put a lot of thought in to these items and where
we have exceeded the minimum federal requirements, or exceeded those
practices seen at other signatories, we have done so to insure the safety of
our members, promote sound operating habits and airmanship of our youngest
aviators, and maximize the element of teamwork and esprit de corp in the
RPA.
"why do I have to wear a flight suit?"
Well, you shouldn't burn up as fast and besides, where else will you wear
the darn lead patch?
1. Mandatory Safety Equipment
This policy change refers to your individual clothing items required during
FAST formation training at Association clinics and RPA Sponsored Airshow
displays only. This list is found in the FAST Formation Manual. We have
reduced the required items to the following:
Nomex or other fire retardant flight suit. Flight suits are available on
E-Bay or FlightSuits Inc.
No opened toed shoes.
Parachute (As per FAR 91.307, if you are wearing a parachute, the FAA states
it must not be overdue it's repack date).
If you will carry a passenger in a clinic formation sortie, insure they are
afforded a parachute as well!
Although a formation sortie that includes extended trail need not exceed the
FAR 91.307 guidelines for pitch and bank, having parachutes meets this
regulation, sets an excellent operating practice and insures you are
affording your backseater, and yourself, every possible avenue to survive in
an uncontrolled flight situation.
2. Repeater Instrumentation in the Backseat - please read the AOPA article
on this subject listed on the web site.
Instrumentation in the back seat must allow the instructor/safety pilot to
monitor airspeed, altitude and heading of the aircraft, and meet all Federal
Aviation Regulations concerning minimum instrumentation required (ref. FAR
91.213). Furthermore, no instrumentation can be missing/inoperable in the
rear cockpit that is required by a normal or emergency operating procedures
for that aircraft. Multiple inoperable gages in the rear seat may be cause
for concern, resulting in the aircraft being inspected, and, if warranted,
barred from participation in association training sorties if found to be
poorly maintained. Please note: Each safety pilot, instructor or check pilot
has the right to refuse to fly in any aircraft. The safety of our members
and volunteers is our first priority, please maintain your aircraft used in
your association sponsored training to a high standard, your family and
friends in the RPA are counting on it.
This means, if a [voltmeter or RPM gage or...] is out in the back, but
working up front, if the FARS or prescribed normal/emergency checklists do
not specifically require the repeater gage in the back, and its removal and
placarding are in compliance with applicable FARs, the RPA does not require
that this rear cockpit indicator be operational to attend an association
training clinic. Please insure you are following all FAR regulatory guidance
on inoperative instruments, placarding etc. as covered in FAR 91.213 and
elsewhere. The Association advocates all pilots keep their aircraft in top
working order and multiple gages/instruments in the back that do not work
could result in a refusal to fly by safety pilots, instructors and check
pilots for these folks ultimately must make the final eyes-on decision on
whether they consider your aircraft safe.
Please note: If your triplex gage (Eastern block prop type aircraft) has
both oil temperature and oil pressure inoperative in the back, or it is
simply removed, your aircraft will not be available for dual seat
instruction under an RPA sponsored clinic or flight training event. The RPA
supports the condition that dual seat training aircraft afford the safety or
instructor pilot the opportunity to detect the onset of engine failure due
to loss of oil pressure or other oil system malfunction.
3. Checking Paperwork and "What to bring to Association Clinics"
The RPA now conducts, under the name of the association, eight flight
training events across the United States, and more are on the way. We are
faced with our responsibilities to train pilots for participation in the
US/Canadian airshow industry and reduce the associations liability,
perceived or actual, that will be reflected in our insurance costs. In
developing a corporate culture that strives to meet these objectives, I am
implementing a voluntary program for our 2004 formation and flight training
event schedule.
Although most RPA clinics and events are not conducted under waivered
airspace, in which case pilots are only required to have in their possession
a valid pilots license, current medical, and their aircraft-related
documents, the ultimate goal of the associations FAST training program is to
produce safe, proficient formation pilots fully qualified to participate in
the US/Canadian airshow industry. At these events, pilots have a few
additional documents that the FAA event inspector may ask you for. These
are copies of your flight and airframe log pages reflecting the currency of
a BFR (if applicable) and aircraft annual inspection. Furthermore, we have
begun to experience increased requests by airfield management for proof of
our aviators liability insurance at some of our larger events.
I would like to ask all clinic attendees to voluntarily approach attendance
at RPA flight training events as they would any waivered airspace event.
We advocate all formation pilots carry an "airshow kit" on board the
aircraft with proof of liability insurance, copy of flight log page showing
last biennial, copy of aircraft log page showing last annual inspection, and
of course, their Special Airworthiness Certificate, Operating Limits and
Program Letter. This recommended procedure may help your association meet
its' insurance requirements and is the right thing to do.
Note, this does not say "Will Inspect", nor is it your associations goal of
conducting such document inspections. Please help us with our burdening
insurance costs and relationship with the FAA; if you attend an Association
clinic or event, bring along your Airshow Kit. You will have it ready when
you leave the clinic and head for your local show to demonstrate your
formation skills.
4. The future RPA Clinic Instructor Program
This pilot program will be implemented over the 2004 season. We would like
to provide our FAST wings and leads who are motivated volunteers and
qualified for the backseat formation instructor position a short
standardization course. The course will include approximately 50 minutes of
ground training discussion and a short two ship formation flight where they
will fly from the back seat. This is not an another evaluation; if selected
to become an association clinic Formation Instructor, this course is a
"Train to Proficiency" instructional and standardization program. We are not
creating another category of formation pilot; this is a standardization
program. This effort is needed to insure the safety of our clinics is our
first priority and will have a very positive impact on our insurance costs
and the quality and standardization of our clinic training. Those members
currently recognized and performing clinic instructor duties will likely
bypass the flight requirement. The association needs dedicated clinic
instructors; civilian pilots with strong formation experience with a flight
instructor background (CFI, etc.), and military aviators who have completed
a formal Instructor Pilot school are highly desired. Please note; RPA Clinic
Instructors will be asked to help organize, run and teach at current and
developing clinics and events!
Questions on these and other RPA policies should be directed to:
Drew Blahnick
RPA President
Drew@flyredstar.org
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Geipel" <czech6@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: helmets
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Bill Geipel <czech6@earthlink.net>
>
> I stand corrected. Please let me know where that is written so that I may
brush up on my information.
>
> Thank you.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <DSAVARESE@elmore.rr.com>
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: helmets
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese"
<DSAVARESE@ELMORE.RR.COM>
>
> Helmets are optional, but Nomex flight suits are required at all RPA
> formation training events.
> Dennis
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Geipel" <czech6@earthlink.net>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: helmets
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: Bill Geipel <czech6@earthlink.net>
> >
> > Don't need a helmet.
> > Don't need a flight suit, However, some folks will complain or make
> comments.
> > Save your money for gas.
> > Yak is 2 seat aerobatic trainer. So was the C-150 Aerobat.
> > That will upset somebody I'm sure.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Terry <talew@comcast.net>
> > To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Yak-List: helmets
> >
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Terry" <talew@comcast.net>
> >
> > Hi,
> > I need to know if a hard helmet is required for FAST formation training
> and the check ride.
> > I have a soft, headset friendly helmet that similar to a leather helmet,
> but I get conflicting info. as to what is acceptable
> > for training.
> > I just hate to spend the big bucks on a helmet when I don't
> > even know if I can check out.
> > Terry Lewis
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
In a message dated 2/21/2005 8:21:26 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
talew@comcast.net writes:
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Terry" <talew@comcast.net>
Hi,
I need to know if a hard helmet is required for FAST formation training and
the check ride.
I have a soft, headset friendly helmet that similar to a leather helmet, but
I get conflicting info. as to what is acceptable
for training.
I just hate to spend the big bucks on a helmet when I don't
even know if I can check out.
Terry Lewis
Terry,
A helmet is not required. A nomex flight, boots, and parachute are. Crazy
I know but that it.
Pappy
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
I did some searches on google on "Sutton Yak Mig etc" I found several
intersting tidbits.
He stated to the FAA after the Yak-18 accidents in 1996 that he had
8000 hours, with 500 in type with 2/3 rds in yak 52's but couldnt
figure out the emergency procedures for an engine out landing. Another
search on "Sutton Scuba" reveals several sites where he states that he
pursued a career in aviation in 1990, which means he accululated 8000
hours in 6 years.....to his credit he does claim that he was "Flying
for years"
Then on a yak list thread from 2002 he claims to have "Over 20,000"
hours so in another 6 years he accumulated another 12,000 hours.
Then he somehow becomes a test pilot, AND if you read his scuba
websites he is credited with just about every thing a scuba kinda guy
can accumulate.
Amazing how much this guy can do with 24 hours in a day!
My favorite though is that he claimes to be a test pilot and a member
of the Experimental Test Pilot Association.....Well so happens that my
neighbor is one of the founders of the association, and he looked
Sutton up in the roster. Yep he'a a member......but my neighbor cant
figure out how, since the requirements are a very strict test flight
regime that you need to produce as Test PIC. Considering that Sutton
only bought the Mig-15 recently, what else did he do as a test pilot,
and considering that he has never flown for an airline (Yes he does
work for flight saftey, so that does grant him lots of SIM time) I
cant see when he actually did worked as a "TEST PILOT" then again this
is te guy who can drill me cause I dont know the "Pressurization
schedule for my L-29" but he doesnt even recognize the barber poles on
his Mig and performs an emergency blow on his gear. The tops it off by
purposely doing an aborted takeoff with the MIG and coming back to the
flight line with his brakes on fire. You should have seen the look on
the REAL test pilots faces that day :) Each one saying it would have
been safer to just fly around the patch with the gear down.
I'm sure Mr Saftey Officer is lurking on this list, cause this is the
only way he could have found out about my AC project. So comeon Dave,
lets talk here where theres plenty of people that really know you!!!
Ernie
On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 22:21:08 -0600 (GMT-06:00), Bill Geipel
<czech6@earthlink.net> wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Bill Geipel <czech6@earthlink.net>
>
> I like you already!
> You have to admit, without him we would have nothing to discuss. NOT!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ron Davis <l39parts@hotmail.com>
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: sutton
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
>
> My favorite Sutton story is the non-ad for Red Star he placed on CJAA
> claiming his home airport is served by three airlines and has "an aerobatic
> box over the airport".
>
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
Pappy's head is worth a grand. Lots of us have less valuable heads.
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