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1. 01:20 AM - fighters, helicopters, gunships, (Kevin Pilling)
2. 01:35 AM - Re: You will never be able to fly lead in formation (Bill Geipel)
3. 01:43 AM - Re: Paint prep (Bill Geipel)
4. 01:45 AM - Re: fighters, helicopters, gunships, (Bill Geipel)
5. 01:47 AM - Re: The reply button (Bill Geipel)
6. 01:52 AM - Re: RPA Dress Code (Bill Geipel)
7. 02:25 AM - Re: fighters, helicopters, gunships, (Kevin Pilling)
8. 03:32 AM - Re: RPA Dress Code (Gerald Sweidan)
9. 04:01 AM - Re: Pretender (cpayne@joimail.com)
10. 04:06 AM - Re: Flying Lead (Daniel Fortin)
11. 05:34 AM - Flight Suits (Frank Haertlein)
12. 06:11 AM - RPA Dress Code (MFilucci@aol.com)
13. 07:22 AM - Re: Paint prep (Ernest Martinez)
14. 07:31 AM - Re: RPA Dress Code (Ernest Martinez)
15. 08:07 AM - paint (Jerry Painter)
16. 08:25 AM - Re: paint (Ernest Martinez)
17. 08:37 AM - Re: Flight Suits (cjpilot710@aol.com)
18. 09:08 AM - RPA Uniforms, Chutes and your Involvement. (Drew Blahnick)
19. 09:49 AM - Yak 55 landing light (John W. Cox)
20. 10:02 AM - Silly? (Doug Sapp)
21. 10:11 AM - Re: You will never be able to fly lead in formation (N13472@aol.com)
22. 10:11 AM - Re: RPA Dress Code (N13472@aol.com)
23. 12:18 PM - Re: Silly? (Ernest Martinez)
24. 12:54 PM - Re: Silly? (Doug Sapp)
25. 02:23 PM - Re: Silly? (Charlie Lynch)
26. 02:28 PM - Re: RPA Dress Code (Bill Geipel)
27. 02:41 PM - Re: RPA Uniforms, Chutes and your Involvement. (Bill Geipel)
28. 02:58 PM - Re: Silly? (Bill Geipel)
29. 03:00 PM - Re: You will never be able to fly lead in formation (Bill Geipel)
30. 03:03 PM - Re: Silly? (Bill Geipel)
31. 03:05 PM - More Flights Suits (cpayne@joimail.com)
32. 03:06 PM - Re: Silly? (Bill Geipel)
33. 04:13 PM - Re: Flight Suits (Frank Haertlein)
34. 04:17 PM - Re: fighters, helicopters, gunships, (Bitterlich GS11 Mark G)
35. 04:33 PM - Re: RPA Dress Code (Bitterlich GS11 Mark G)
36. 04:41 PM - Re: Re: Silly? (Doug Sapp)
37. 04:43 PM - Re: Silly? (Frank Haertlein)
38. 04:56 PM - Re: You will never be able to fly lead in formation (Frank Haertlein)
39. 05:57 PM - Re: fighters, helicopters, gunships, (cjpilot710@aol.com)
40. 06:14 PM - Re: Re: Silly? (Charlie Lynch)
41. 06:33 PM - RPA Dress Code (MFilucci@aol.com)
42. 06:42 PM - Re: RPA Dress Code (Bitterlich GS11 Mark G)
43. 08:20 PM - YAK-52 Airframe (Frank Haertlein)
44. 09:10 PM - Re: Silly? (fish@aviation-tech.com)
45. 09:27 PM - (Barry Hancock)
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| Subject: | fighters, helicopters, gunships, |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Kevin Pilling" <pilling.k@btconnect.com>
"Pappy" that's an hugely impressive CV ... + a couple I don't even recognise....but
the obvious 'hole' in your experience is the Yak 50...............come on
you '50 owners face up and offer the man a couple of hours on type !
kp
Remember sky is UP and cows' are DOWN.
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| Subject: | You will never be able to fly lead in formation |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Bill Geipel <czech6@earthlink.net>
Frank,
That is enough whinning. That is the rule. Yu don't like it and I'm sure others
don't like it. I'm also sure in your 18 years work experience, you have learned
things just through experience that school cannot teach. Same with flying.
So it is with flying time. Wether its 5 hours or 10,000. That is the rule and
a fact.
The rule that a lead needs a commercial license is silly.I agree that it doesn't
make you a safer, better, or a more efficient pilot, it is just the rule.
Just as I have called on the board to call the flight suit issue to a membership
vote, you too can set out and change the world. Call the FAST board of directors.
This was not done on the local level.
The great thing about FAST, is that you can choose to fly or not to fly with someone.
I don't know you, I have never met you. I choose not to fly with you. I am not
being mean or hateful or slamming you, I just don't think your attitude is right
for me.
We can all complain about the many problems in the world. I choose to follow the
ones that will attempt to make it better through change.
By the way, I believe a wing can fly in the lead position?? Besides, It takes more
talent to fly a good wing. Lead just points the airplane. Wing guys got to
try to stay with this nut and not let him kill them all.
In 100 years, who will care about any of this. We are all vertical and the sun
is shinng. How bad can it be?
Bill "Two's In"
-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Haertlein <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: You will never be able to fly lead in formation
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Yaksters
Al just posted that to fly lead you need a commercial +1000. How about
PPL +1000 or even 10,000? I guess that's not good enough for the all
knowing elitist bastards who wrote the rule.
For the past 18 years my avionics related day job has helped develop the
instruments and technology that lets you commit safe commercial or
military flight in all weather conditions yet I'm too stupid to ever fly
lead because I don't have a commercial? Well...F#(& You!
Frank
N9110M
YAK-52
L71
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Bill Geipel <czech6@earthlink.net>
Doug,
How dare you not get involved in our petty bickering about flight suits. Have you
no pride? Shame? Concern? Or do you simply have a "LIFE" and want only to have
fun and fly your airplane! I am ashamed to say that I don't know you.
Your not painting it to look like a fightrer are you? OH THE SHAME!
-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Sapp <rvfltd@televar.com>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Paint prep
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Guys, if you are stripping your aircraft, and it's still assembled, you will
most likely need to replace all your bearings by the time you get ready to
go to the paint shop. Stripper by nature is designed to cut grease and oil
so the stripper and water will get into the bearings and in just a short
while reduce them to nasty little balls of rust. The only remedy is to
strip the aircraft with the surfaces removed and use heavy foil tape to
cover the bearings, or just figure on replacing them all before your
reinstall the surfaces. If you still have the stock Chinese bearings they
are more than likely ready to be changed anyway. Most good paint shops
would not even think about painting your CJ fully assembled, so you will
have to take them off sooner or later. If you choose to remove the surfaces
and go the foil tape route, give me a call and I'll send you enough foil
tape to do the job, no charge, I have a huge roll of it and I don't mind
sharing. I just made a cutter out of a piece of tubing and cut quarter
sized circles to put on each side.
If you need the new bearings, I have them in stock. After my last shipment
from China I can say that I have almost every bearing in the airframe. Even
the hard to find aileron belcrank bearing.
Also, if my vote is worth anything I would like to vote "optional" on the
current flight suit/helmet issue. Who is keeping the tally?
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Mills, Bill
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Paint prep
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Mills, Bill" <Bill.Mills@Avnet.com>
I will definitely confirm that Cliff. After my painter got done, I had
to totally put in new bearings (that were new when I started the paint
job). Good advice!
Bill Mills
Avnet Partner Solutions
District Sales Manager
South East US
386 447 1118
"Because I Fly......I envy no man on Earth"
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cliff Umscheid
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Paint prep
--> Yak-List message posted by: Cliff Umscheid <netmaster15@juno.com>
--> 495cf59d18f528d8185cdda92d416d4c49a53c85cdcd
Ernie,
If you use stripper and acid etch you are well advised to pull the
wheels and repack the bearings SAP thereafter. That residue gets into
everything when it is exposed to pressure washing or even just
splashing.Anyone who doubts its ability to permeate the nooks and
cranies should try to breathe the ambient air during useage . Robert
Starnes advised you well in his post.
Cliff Umscheid
(PST) Robert Starnes <a35plt@yahoo.com> writes:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Robert Starnes <a35plt@yahoo.com>
>
> Hey Ernie,
> Yes, after stripping you need to acid etch the metal, there are many
> comanies selling acid etch at auto body stores(make sure to specify
> for aluminum). After acid etch, which neutralizes the stripper (very
> corrosive) apply alodine per instructions. DO NOT let the acid etch
> sit on the plane too long, follow the instructions and you'll be fine.
> If you are going to do a section at a time go ahead and acid etch as
> you go. I also suggest not using a pressure washer, on these airplanes
> it blows stripper too far into the nooks and crannies. Call me
> 678-457-8377 if you have any questions.
> -Robert Starnes
> --- Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez
> > <erniel29@gmail.com>
> >
> > I finaly bit the bullet and starting striping my airplane. I'm
> > taking the Craig Paine approach and doing the airplane in sections,
> > I started with the cowl instead of the tail.
> >
> > Is there any prep that is done to the alodined metal after the
> > stripper has been washed off???
> >
> > Ernie
> >
> >
> >
> > Contributions
> > any other
> > Forums.
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/subscription
> > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Yak-List.htm
> > http://www.matronics.com/archives
> > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
> > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: fighters, helicopters, gunships, |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Bill Geipel <czech6@earthlink.net>
Kevin,
I'm up at this hour with the flu. What are you doing at this hour young man.
-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Pilling <pilling.k@btconnect.com>
Subject: Yak-List: fighters, helicopters, gunships,
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Kevin Pilling" <pilling.k@btconnect.com>
"Pappy" that's an hugely impressive CV ... + a couple I don't even recognise....but
the obvious 'hole' in your experience is the Yak 50...............come on
you '50 owners face up and offer the man a couple of hours on type !
kp
Remember sky is UP and cows' are DOWN.
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| Subject: | Re: The reply button |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Bill Geipel <czech6@earthlink.net>
Least amount of buttons pushed, wins!
How about I deleat the rest instead?
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Bill Geipel <czech6@earthlink.net>
Gerald,
I see that you are in South Africa. I am trying to get in touch with a company
called Armscor. They dispose of, (sell) military hardware that is not to be used
anymore. The SAAF is parking their IMpala MkII's. I want one. I can't get any
response. I also am trying to get in touch with the maintenance facility at
85 Squadron out side of Mozam.
The SAAF web site lists the base names. I forgot that name. Any ideas or connections?
Bill
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| Subject: | Re: fighters, helicopters, gunships, |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Kevin Pilling" <pilling.k@btconnect.com>
Its 1030hrs here in the UK...and yes I'm abusing the boss's time....but in
my defence I am the boss so I guess its OK with him.
Get well soon old boy!
kp
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Geipel" <czech6@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: fighters, helicopters, gunships,
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Bill Geipel <czech6@earthlink.net>
>
> Kevin,
>
> I'm up at this hour with the flu. What are you doing at this hour young
> man.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kevin Pilling <pilling.k@btconnect.com>
> To: "yak-list@matronics. com" <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: fighters, helicopters, gunships,
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Kevin Pilling" <pilling.k@btconnect.com>
>
> "Pappy" that's an hugely impressive CV ... + a couple I don't even
> recognise....but the obvious 'hole' in your experience is the Yak
> 50...............come on you '50 owners face up and offer the man a couple
> of hours on type !
>
> kp
>
> Remember sky is UP and cows' are DOWN.
>
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Gerald Sweidan" <gerald.sweidan@sweidan.co.za>
Ironic - I was talking to an AMO who trained on the Impala's in the SAAF
about establishing an Impala flying team probably at the time you typed
your mail. Standby I will get the e-mail and landline for the department
responsible for disposal - I used to be on their list ... . 85 Squadron
- name is Hoedspruit. Gerald
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Geipel
Subject: RE: Yak-List: RPA Dress Code
--> Yak-List message posted by: Bill Geipel <czech6@earthlink.net>
Gerald,
I see that you are in South Africa. I am trying to get in touch with a
company called Armscor. They dispose of, (sell) military hardware that
is not to be used anymore. The SAAF is parking their IMpala MkII's. I
want one. I can't get any response. I also am trying to get in touch
with the maintenance facility at 85 Squadron out side of Mozam.
The SAAF web site lists the base names. I forgot that name. Any ideas or
connections?
Bill
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "cpayne@joimail.com" <cpayne@joimail.com>
>Pretender? Yea verily I confess so. "But I do love it so."
>
>Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
>
>ATP, CFII, SES, Flight Navigator, Airframe mechanic,
23,823.35 hr.
>B-707,727,757,767, 777, 747, 747-400 -Flown DC-3, B-17,
B-24J, AT-6/SNJ,
>T-33,T-34,T-41, Bell-47, 208A, Hiller 12b, R-22, J-3,
7AC-FC-EC, S-108-1, >Pitts S1C, PT-17-19-22-23, UPF-7, LA-4,
Yak-52 and CJ-6. FAI-NAA record >holder and have made 7
parachute jumps (all round canopies).
Ah Ha! NO CJ-6A time, just that old "CJ-6" that slugs along
at Yak-52 speed!
Craig "CJ-6A, CJ-6P, and CJ-6X" Payne
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Daniel Fortin" <fougapilot@hotmail.com>
I think we are forgetting what is a LEAD.
First of all, LEAD is not an FAA qualification, but a FAST one. An FAA
inspector at any airshow will not care what you FAST card says, he/she only
want to know if you have one. Any FAST qualified pilot can occupy any
position in an airshow. I even saw a WING lead the mass RPA formation in
Oshkosh, he even had a couple of LEAD qual guys in his 10ship!!!
So then what is a LEAD? FAST uses the LEADs as their INSTRUCTORs. As a
LEAD, one is entrusted with the ability to sign your proficiency report, sit
in the back seat when a FNG experiences trying not to hit the other plane
for the first time, recommend for checkride and even if the case presents
itself recommend a pilot be revoked his card (never heard of it happening).
A LEAD doesn't only fly the formation.
The "commercial (or equivalent) and 1000hrs" requirement is not an RPA one
but a FAST one. Now, ask yourself this: Would you as a FNG go for your
first 2-ship ever with an instructor who had a PPL, 500hrs and a new never
used WING card? Or better yet; would you sit in the back seat of a FNG on
his first ever try at formation? Can be nerve wrecking at times. The idea
of the commercial and 1000hrs, or a least the way I understand it, is
simple; FAST prefers having people with a higher level of training and
experience as their backbone.
Next time you go to a RPA event where Mike Filucci gives his RPA LEAD ground
school, do your self a favor, spend the time and take it. It is packed with
stuff LEADs have to face in their new function. I did it in OSH last summer
and it really opened my eyes at to what was expected of me as a LEAD.
The bottom line is this, if your only objective is to lead a formation
during an airshow, your WING patch is more then sufficient. If you feel you
have the level of experience and qualifications to sit with FNG and be a
good instructor, feel free to become a LEAD, the RPA can always use a few
more.
Dan "FNL (F
%$# New Lead)" Fortin
>From: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
>Reply-To: yak-list@matronics.com
>To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Yak-List: Flying Lead
>Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 16:15:59 -0800
>
>--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
><yak52driver@earthlink.net>
>
>Barry
>If my information about flying lead proves incorrect then I'll offer an
>apology for my elitist statements. I remember during Red Stars 2004
>someone said lead can only be flown by ATP's or some such nonsense. I
>thought that was elitist. Maybe the person who told me that was
>mis-informed?
>
>Frank
>N9110M
>YAK-52
>L71
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Hancock
>To: YAK USA LIST
>Subject: Yak-List: Flight suits aside
>
>
>--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <barry@flyredstar.org>
>
> > This whole elitist/ATP statement is pure nonsense.
> >
> > Mike Filucci
>
>You know, I have to follow up on that:
>
>I am 37 years old, have been flying for a mere 5 years and have just a
>little under 1000 hours total flight time. I am one of the most junior
>people on this list and in the RPA. My aviation credentials cannot
>hold a candle to even the median experience level in this group.
>
>That being said I have been involved with the association for 5 years,
>run All Red Star, numerous Advanced Tactical Clinics, and serve you all
>on the RPA board of directors.
>
>Every single guy that comes to instruct at these events is older, more
>highly qualified, and probably a better pilot (hey, I do have *some*
>ego :) ).
>
>I am wing qualified and have flown lead at air shows.
>
>Would a truly elitist group allow such a thing? After all, I'm young,
>relatively inexperienced, have butted heads with powers that be on
>certain issues, etc.
>
>My fellow board members (voted on by you all - or at least you had that
>opportunity) include:
>
>Al Devere - about the same boat as me.
>Harry Dutson - no military or commercial aviation flying experience
>Charlie Lynch - no military or commercial aviation flying experience
>
>
>"Elitist" is a nice, alarming word that catches people's attention and
>stirs up emotion. Certain powerful political groups use this tactic to
>propigate class warfare very effectively. However, it doesn't hold
>water when you look at the facts.
>
>That you disagree with an association policy is one thing, that you
>would use ad hominem attacks is only a disservice to everyone.
>
>Barry
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Tim G.
As to the uniform or flight suit. I wore one during my Air Force career
and hung it up back in 1985. I'm a citizen now and don't pretend to be
anything else. I guess I'm just too self conscious to feel comfortable
wearing a flight suit. IT JUST RUBS ME THE WRONG WAY! Be who you are
and do what you want to do and if that means wearing a flight suit then
more power to you. Really, if you like and want to be part of a group
that requires its wear then GREAT, I'm happy for ya. It's really not
that hard to understand....I don't like it and don't want to be part of
a group that requires one to be worn so I'll collect my marbles and go
play somewhere else. Allot of people feel the same way.
If you want to get an idea of what it feels like for me to wear a flight
suit then get yourself a woman's dress and high heel shoes and go
walking around in public. How would you feel? Would you feel self
conscious? If you can understand that then you know what it feels like
for some people to have to wear a flight suit.
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Gagnon
Subject: Yak-List: One more thing..
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@msn.com>
Frank,
First, thanks for answering my question about your airplane being for
sale. Second, as to your airplane. This is a quote from a portion of a
post you made "You see, it's more of an image "I'm a fighter Jock" and
"The problem is there are many potential members out there who want
nothing to do with a para-military themed organization."
While you have a beautiful airplane, and you do, I find it interesting
that the paint scheme on your airplane appears to be of fighter aircraft
origins, somewhere along the lines of a Lavochkin or LaGG fighter.
Regardless, it has a very military and more importantly "fighter" tone
to it. I am not positive but I do not think any Yak-52, CJ-6 or Yak-50
were adorned with such a paint scheme. Now, most are being painted as
such and I have no problem with it. When it comes time to paint my
airplane (and trust me I need too) I will paint it in a military
(fighter) paint scheme.
I find that interesting considering the statements and the general tone
of your comments listed above and those contained in your post. If you
were so adverse to the "Para-military themed organization" and "fighter
jock" mentality, why have an airplane painted to represent just that?
Why not the paint scheme the airplanes originally had? Why not the
classic red and white as others have done? Is it possible an image
thing?
For me, I will openly admit that I would love to have flown fighters but
flying an attack helicopter would be cool too..so I chose the Army. God
intervened and I was injured and that shot was taken away. After years
of trying to clear up my medical status , I re-entered the military and
got as close as I could to be involved with military aircraft. I think
the tactics involved in fighter aviation and the constant thought
process that is required makes those who are lucky enough to fly them,
very interesting. The geometry involved, competitiveness, and the folks
I have recently met, will certainly help me get as close as I will ever
come to feeling what it is like. Since I will probably not be able to
afford a P-51 or that MiG-29 that Worldwide Warbirds has for sale (How
much by the way Barry), my little Yak-50 will have to do. Will I wear my
collar up on my flight suit up and some cool Ray-Ban Aviators, nope.
Will I wear what I feel is appropriate gear for the activity, ye! p.
Will I get some ribbing for it by some, sure, but it is my arse and mine
alone.
But that's just me....
Tim
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--> Yak-List message posted by: MFilucci@aol.com
In a message dated 2/24/05 9:42:58 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
czech6@earthlink.net writes:
I would also think an official RPA vote be called regarding the issue.
Do it here or on the RPA web site.
Good idea, Billy. All in favor, raise your han..., er, mmm, sorry Stubs --
all in favor, shake your head vigorously, and give us a big, crapola-eatin grin
if you feel the love!
Hope you're feeling better, Bill.
Mike
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
Doug,
I'm going to remove the control surfaces, I'll take some foil please.
I'll probably take the bearings too. I'm going to try an be very
careful though, since I dont cherish replacing the bell crank bearings
and then having to re-rigg everything.
Ernie
On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 20:12:48 -0800, Doug Sapp <rvfltd@televar.com> wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
>
> Guys, if you are stripping your aircraft, and it's still assembled, you will
>
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| Subject: | Re: RPA Dress Code |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
I personally like wearing my flight suits, I have 4, it gives me a
place to hang my patches. I also wear a flight jacket, which I wear
whenever its cold, not only when I'm flying.
I also like wearing my helmet, it looks cool, and has instant sun
glasses, I cant hear a damn thing, cause the speakers suck, but it
still looks damn good.
I'm installing O2 in my jet, I tell people its for safety, but I'm
realling installing it cuase it gives me an excuse to wear my O2 mask,
with my already too cool helmet. Then I can sound like I'm talking
from the inside of a garbage can.
Bottom line, group pictures look better when we're wearing flight
suits rather than liesure suits.
Whats the big deal, if you dont want to wear one dont, forget the
rules, fly and have fun.
Ernie
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jerry Painter" <wild.blue@verizon.net>
Hey Ernie,
I know I'm not the brightest bulb in the pack, so after I get conflicting
advice from all my expert flyin' buddies and other unemployables (all of
whom are absolutely certain they know more than anyone else on the planet,
have years of experience etc etc, know WAY more than me, of course), I
usually have to go home and pursue the only option remaining:
read the can.
Jerry Painter
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
LOL,
Thats exactly what I did :) But I did get a lot of good advise though.
Thats why I like this list, you get lots of input, you take what you
want.
Ernie
On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 08:06:00 -0800, Jerry Painter <wild.blue@verizon.net> wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jerry Painter" <wild.blue@verizon.net>
>
> Hey Ernie,
>
> I know I'm not the brightest bulb in the pack, so after I get conflicting
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| Subject: | Re: Flight Suits |
--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
In a message dated 2/25/2005 8:35:42 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
yak52driver@earthlink.net writes:
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
_yak52driver@earthlink.net_ (mailto:yak52driver@earthlink.net)
Tim G.
As to the uniform or flight suit. I wore one during my Air Force career
and hung it up back in 1985. I'm a citizen now and don't pretend to be
anything else.
Frank, Did you hang up your pride at the same time. I see lots of former
military guys show up with their old flights suits, unit patches still in
tacked. Ace's , generals, you'd be in good company. Steve Richie showed up in
a
flight suit at All RedStar. I've seen Chuckie wearing one just about every
time at OSH/SnF. I guess they are still pretending too.
I guess I'm just too self conscious to feel comfortable
wearing a flight suit.
You'd be in the minority. Really.
IT JUST RUBS ME THE WRONG WAY!
Maybe you've put on a little weight? Get a bigger suit like I have. :)
Be who you are
In my heart I always was a fighter pilot. Bureaucrats kept me from it (and
no wars while I was in my prime)
and do what you want to do and if that means wearing a flight suit then
more power to you. Really, if you like and want to be part of a group
that requires its wear then GREAT, I'm happy for ya. It's really not
that hard to understand....I don't like it and don't want to be part of
a group that requires one to be worn so I'll collect my marbles and go
play somewhere else. Allot of people feel the same way.
No. I think you in the minority here.
If you want to get an idea of what it feels like for me to wear a flight
suit then get yourself a woman's dress and high heel shoes and go
walking around in public. How would you feel? Would you feel self
conscious? If you can understand that then you know what it feels like
for some people to have to wear a flight suit.
AH! Now it comes out. YOU'RE fashion conscious! Yep that flight suit is
ugly! Particularly when it is comfortable. Color is all wrong too.
Particularly if you have a "winter" complexion. Sage green is definitely for
warm
skin tones.
Frank get your life back! Get out here and show us your stuff. We can put
you with the rest of the Yak guys in the formation (gives it summitry). Eat!
drink! and be marry with us. We even are sing songs now.
"And don't give me that Yak Fifty.
Yes I know she's slick and nifty.
But like the fifty two,
She'll flat spin your ass out of the blue.
No don't give me a Yak fifty!
But give me a CJ-6A
And send me into the fray.
With gun and panache
I'll kick any ass.
Yes! Give me a CJ-6A"
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
I forgot to add: Flight Engineer Turbo Jet. Hay, Mike. Is it to early to
join you in that Margartia?
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| Subject: | RPA Uniforms, Chutes and your Involvement. |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Drew Blahnick <lacloudchaser@yahoo.com>
Folks, you might want to print this email, I will resend it a few times so folks
don't miss it. This is going to hit the equipment list, flight suits, Policy
Changes and Voting, Using Regional Coordinators to Vote policy changes, Loggin
in issues on the website, newsletters and store charges. You get it all, print
it out...
I read your posts of yesterday, this is what I can help you with:
1. Current list of equipment, Flight Suits & No Open Toed Shoes does not hinder
tall or wide pilots. Parachutes remain in place due to the FARS concerning dual
seat flight that exceeds aerobatic limits as mentioned. Its a blanket requirement
that saves us any question about compliance. We will set something up
for single cockpit pilots as needed, were here to do the right thing and insure
our membership is treated well, we have a good time and we can take advantage
of the benefits of this organization.
2. Where did the list come from, how did flight suits get on there someone asked?
The list was there when I was elected and was longer, more directed at your
personal protection. It wasn't wrong, it was very well intendid, and if an
accident occured such a mandatory list would, in all probability, perhaps have
reduced the airmans injuries to fire, etc. My decision to reduce it to what
you see today was, I admit, in support of the new organization (RPA), over trying
to preserve your personal medical bills; the RPA as I explained is not, and
can not, have itself on the legal side of insuring your wife that you won't
get horrifically injured or killed. It's a non-supportable position. But we can
keep the complete list in the public domain (in the manual, in the ground school,
etc.) and emphasize its importance, folks can lead by example, we can gather
corperate sponsors who provide safety equipment to land deals that will get
such equipment in your hands cheaper or even free.
But we
can't take on the position of insuring your safety and freedom from injury.
3. Flight suits. Now this one may stir more posts, but it's not intendid to do
so. Tim G.s post (and I should ad Jim G. and Barry H. posts as well) was well
written and touched on the intrinsic value of the flight suit in all regards.
Is there any ONE reason I chose to keep it on the list? No, but if I combine
all the reasons, it is the most valuable item on the list in what it returns
to the community and RPA. I suspect there are some of you that find the word
"mandatory" to be a far larger nuisance than the cost of a flight suit off of
E-Bay or other source. Let me say others have touched on this one items multiple
uses, applications and strengths (Tim G., Mike B. and others' posts) - to
include Multi-Pocketed Cockpit Anti-FOD Device (boys, grab your MPCADs, we've
got a mission to fly!), pajama-slash-sleeping bag, limited fire protection garmet,
your full-body, always-available, human oil-rag, chick-magnet, child-future-aviator-dream-inspirer,
and association-identific
ation
uniform. And here then is the part some of you may detest, but it is reality. Over the last 18 months, and even back as far as three years, a small group of folks have put an un-godly amount of time building something that is only now popping its head out of the fox-hole, it's hit the media on the History Channel, on national magazines http://www.pilotjournal.com/content/2003/novdec/russia.html and countless local newspapers. We know how important image is to the public process, we know that local city and county govt. reacts positively towards the RPAs desire to establish operations at their fields with free facility use agreements, gestures as a donated cookout, the use of support equipment, an invitation to return, we know that the general public has a higher, more positive image of our community and pilots when we take over their home field, make their dog bark or wake up their kids with our radials flying near or over their homes, we know that they come out to these f
ields
and children are greatly inspired, their moms are happy to see positive role models
for their children who get nothing but violence and crap sitting in front
of the tube, we know some of those moms have kids or husbands serving now, we
know that every event is like a mini-airshow for these often dead-quite communities,
we know veterens feel honored and pride in the memories of their service,
we know those veterans won't be here soon and every WWII vet who has come
out to our operations I've interfaced with has been moved in a positive way to
see our group emulating, if not honoring their past experiences, skills and
courage, we know the FAA sees us as more professional and a self-policing outfit
(disagree?, email me about one of our aviators who landed on an active taxiway
at a FAA tower controlled field coming home from my event and the positive
ending), and I know that if we are to really give you $37 of value for your membership
we need outside support from corperate spon
sors,
and they look very favorably on how we look as a group and our impact on the communities
that support their bottom line, and for those who are really critical
of the RPA concerning itself with image over substance, well I might as well
say chicks think your somehow 15 years younger and a cross polination experiment
with Brad Pitt in your bag...(ok, that ones a stretch).
Do I think any of this stuff takes away from the most important safety aspect of
our operations - that is excellent flight training and the generation of supporting
training documents, information and presentations at great cost to our
volunteers? No, absolutely not. You don't see it yet, but the RPA is a big,
8-legged Octopus that needs all its parts working in unison if it is to give you
$500 worth of value for your $37 dollar membership, and grow in to an outstanding
organization that motivates volunteers to selflessly support it as many
do today. Your bag, believe it or not, helps us get there. I personally find
the most important use of my bag to be the damn pockets! I'm a member too;
I have no issue with this simple request, and I often shed it the moment the flight
line ops are done, stuff it in the helmet bag, and have oil stain free clothing
to head to the bar in...
Right now its on the books, but if you don't have one, for whatever reason, and
the fly-in is two days from now, you should still feel you can head over to the
field where the RPA has organized a fly-in and meet with friends, but you really
should consider it your way of supporting your community by support the
policy on flight suits - next let me address changing or modifying any policy
in your association...
4. Changing Policy. We have 6 Regional Coordinators. These RCs are primarily
involved in regional event development - most run at least one event themselves
in your area, they also do regional membership work like mailings and tracking
down the 5% of you that don't have emails on file for the newsletters/bulletins.
They are supposed to be the "local guys" and can be found online at the
top of your regions contact list in the member locator at flyredstar - where
you can also see what states each region falls in (graphical maps there) . Don't
like a policy?, email them, letting them know what state you live in and
if your a current RPA member. If you are not sure what state your region lands
in, go with your hunch, and include your state, they will forward it on to me
and the BoD:
Northeast United States: Adriane <abelinne@hotmail.com>, He also organizes the
KGED events
Northcentral Herb <drc@wscare.com>, He also helps organize KMTW/OSH
Northwest and Canada: Paul D <3bar@telus.net>, He is the long time head of the
Oliver Event
Southwest: Barry <radialpower@cox.net>, He is the event director of ARS
Southcentral Scott <aviatr@aol.com>, He also organizes our SC regional joint EAA
event
Southeast Shane <scgsmg@direcway.com> He also runs the annual Waycross, GA event
Stop and read this: If you can't log in to the website and your a member, its
because your email address on file is differant than the database, or your password
on file is not what your inputting in the password window, or your missing
from the database alltogether. Always when attempting to log in click the
"log-in" button and just don't hit your "enter" or "return" key after inputting
email & password, Deon has yet to code the system to recognize the "enter"
or "return" key for log-in, but he will do this later. So go try this simple
solution. If that doesn't solve it, email Deon at deon@flyredstar.org or admin@flyredstar.org
and he will get you squared away with the master database, it
only takes seconds. Some very old, outdated internet browsers and some really
off the wall browsers I've never heard of have also shown errors in log in, but
if you are using a version of MS Internet Explorer or Netscape thats newer
than version 3.0, you should not have a problem loggi
n in...
Now back to your regularly scheduled show...
They (RCs) will keep this information and pass it all to us so the Board of Directors
can establish what the membership is requesting that they need to look
at, and vote on, to respond to the desires of their membership. So each of you
has a vote to help steer policy changes in the RPA, just email your RC, with
your name, state, RPA member or not, and your position/recommendation. Please
keep it short! short! short! Unlike this yak list post, we just need your
vote, we know the reasons already through other mediums...Here's an example:
Dear SE RC (Shane),
I'm John Smith of AL, and a current RPA member, please record that I would like
"your desire/vote here"
You don't have to be an RPA member to voice your opion! The idea is you will become
a member eventually, but of course current members voices ring loudest.
Thats all there is to it! It could be the need for a new regional event in a
certain month and you need support, it could be to fly naked at RPA events, etc.
Just realize, if its a great idea, and it includes work to implement, you
will be contacted to help implement that program! But for voicing your opinion
that only takes a BoD vote at the next qtrly meeting, hey, go for it!!
Again, you can email these guys for guidance on setting up your local/regional
events, to suggest policy changes, etc.
5. Board Meetings. Just a review. A majority vote of the sitting BoD determines
the outcome. The President chairs and oversees the BoD meetings and his vote
will break any ties. There is no veto power in the bylaws. We just concluded
a mammoth 3 hour first qtr BoD meeting, and minutes will be published online
at flyredstar and summarized here by the VP, but I can tell you the mandatory
equipment list was put up for review and vote and the three items were maintained.
(but still, changes can happen at these meetings so communicate with
your RC).
Thats it, I'm waiting on 33 mailed-in renewals and new member applications to update
the email database and we will re-spit out the newsletter and the first
edition of Hangar Talk, the flight training publication. If you are a member,
if you can log on to the website with your email address, thats where these publications
are going to be emailed to. Go log in and if you can't, email deon@flyredstar.org
and get this fixed! At least insure you recieve the newsletters
and bulletins from the RPA..
If your not a member, join online in the store with visa/mc, its secure. This
process will input your email in the system for all purposes. Here's an update:
soon (few days) all shipping and handling charges will be removed from the
store - the advertised price next to the product is what you will pay at checkout!
This will end any confusion as to why S&H charges were added for such things
as "membership". Of course, the over-all prices will remain the same, shipped
products will see a slight advertised price increase to cover S&H and membership
final costs will be advertised as the standard $37 per annum.
Thanks for listening,
Drew
Drew Blahnick
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| Subject: | Yak 55 landing light |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
Scott - this idea may not work for the 55, but the Lancair IV and Legacy
retract guys have come up with a small effective landing light for the nose
wheel. Attached are pictures from my files. Tim Ong at Lancair
tech@lancair-kits.com <mailto:tech@lancair-kits.com> can talk about the
obstacles. Vern runs the parts department for pricing
http://www.aerocraftparts.com/ <http://www.aerocraftparts.com/> . Steve
Lorentzen, (husband of the VP of Marketing/Sales Manager at Lancair)
http://www.aerodynamicsllc.com <http://www.aerodynamicsllc.com/> runs a
private custom build facility who has fabricated some new machined mounting
brackets. Hope this helps. These use easy to find, cheap to purchase 50W
or 100W halogen bulbs. The HID bulbs are another matter.
The RV builders are always looking for ease of repair, cheap pricing and
effective projection angle and distance of throw. They are all fixed gear
so the Lancair fix might work.
John W. Cox
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Lancair IV and Legacy retract guys have come up with a small effective landing
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/">http://www.aerodynamicsllc.com runs
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Silly?? I'm not trying to "lead" your away from your favorite flight suit
rant here, but the idea that you must have a 2nd class medical and a
commercial license to accept a tank of fuel or a burger at a air show, is to
me way past silly. I fly a CJ5 (well, haven't for a while because we are
rebuilding it, so put a sock in it Walter) anyway, there are only 6 of them
flying in the world (yes yes I know, really only 5). The odds of the flying
public and or the public at large ever having the opportunity to see one is
close to nil. But because I do not have a commercial ticket many will not
get the opportunity. Now this my friends is silly. Why in the world is
there not an exclusion that would allow these wonderful old aircraft to be
seen by all? YA, I know what your going to say, "they can be, but you gotta
pay your own fuel so they can". This issue is not even remotely comparable
to accepting money for compensation for your flying services, aka flying for
hire. IMHO this is basically an unfair situation, one that discriminates
not only on me but the air show public at large. How many vintage aircraft
sit in hangers unseen by the air show public because of this rule? How many
more CJ's would you see at the air shows and fly-in's across the country if
this rule could be modified? This would benefit us all folks.
Opinions?
Comments?
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bill Geipel
Subject: RE: Yak-List: You will never be able to fly lead in formation
--> Yak-List message posted by: Bill Geipel <czech6@earthlink.net>
The rule that a lead needs a commercial license is silly.I agree that it
doesn't make you a safer, better, or a more efficient pilot, it is just the
rule.
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| Subject: | Re: You will never be able to fly lead in formation |
--> Yak-List message posted by: N13472@aol.com
In a message dated 2/25/2005 12:38:25 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
yak52driver@earthlink.net writes:
I'm too stupid to ever fly
lead because I don't have a commercial? Well...F#(& You!
Frank
N9110M
YAK-52
L71
Frank, This is not like you, beating around the bush? Man say what you mean!
Tom Elliott
CJ-6 N63727
Sandy Valley NV
3L2
702-723-1223
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| Subject: | Re: RPA Dress Code |
--> Yak-List message posted by: N13472@aol.com
In a message dated 2/25/2005 6:11:53 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
MFilucci@aol.com writes:
I would also think an official RPA vote be called regarding the issue.
Do it here or on the RPA web site.
Good idea, Billy. All in favor, raise your han..., er, mmm, sorry Stubs --
all in favor, shake your head vigorously, and give us a big, crapola-eatin
grin
if you feel the love!
Hope you're feeling better, Bill.
Mike
I for one wear my flight suite for the extra time I hope it gives me to get
the plane on the
ground or my ass out of it during a FIRE! As you know? a stock CJ-6/A does
NOT have
a (STEEL) firewall like most/all? spam cans! It is a thin low melting point
alum one.
Note my CJ has a ceramic blanket fire wall over the Alum. I still wear the
suit for the
extra time I hope it gives me!
That said I feel the flight suit requirement for Red Star should be optional
.
I VOTE OPTIONAL
Tom Elliott
CJ-6 N63727
Sandy Valley NV
3L2
702-723-1223
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
I agree, but since its I doubt the FAA is going to change that rule
anytime soon, I'm just going to get my commercial ticket, that way I
CAN get the free stuff AND I can get a LEAD patch.
Ernie
On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 10:01:56 -0800, Doug Sapp <rvfltd@televar.com> wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
>
> Silly?? I'm not trying to "lead" your away from your favorite flight suit
> rant here, but the idea that you must have a 2nd class medical and a
> commercial license to accept a tank of fuel or a burger at a air show, is to
> me way past silly.
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Well Ernie, they said that about the new class of license also. I do
believe that if an organization like the RPA could get off its ass and move
as a group to lobby the EAA and the AOPA we might effect some change. Our
voice along with the voices of other similar minded organizations might just
do the trick. But instead, we say "no the feds won't ever change" and busy
ourselves with more important things like petty bickering on the list. As a
organization we seem to be unable/unwilling to do much of anything
constructive. But we sure look good!
Always Yakin,
Doug "just a bit disappointed" Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ernest Martinez
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Silly?
--> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
I agree, but since its I doubt the FAA is going to change that rule
anytime soon, I'm just going to get my commercial ticket, that way I
CAN get the free stuff AND I can get a LEAD patch.
Ernie
On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 10:01:56 -0800, Doug Sapp <rvfltd@televar.com> wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
>
> Silly?? I'm not trying to "lead" your away from your favorite flight suit
> rant here, but the idea that you must have a 2nd class medical and a
> commercial license to accept a tank of fuel or a burger at a air show, is
to
> me way past silly.
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Charlie Lynch" <lynch@netjets.com>
Doug -
I very much respect what you have done, what you think and the support
you provide to this community. I also know that you are blowing off
some steam. But in your last email you said "As a
organization we seem to be unable/unwilling to do much of anything
constructive. But we sure look good!"
That statement, although made out of frustration, could not be further
from the truth. What has the RPA done for us?
Our volunteers have created the best formation manual published by any
FAST signatory
Our volunteers have created the best web site of any FAST group
They have developed an amazing formation ground school
They have created a great lead pilot seminar open to all pilots
Look on the RPA web site and you will find incredible resources created
by our people including
- Air show Kit
- Check lists
- World class training programs
- National CFI database
- Event site with registration capabilities
- Availability of important forms from FAST to NASA
- Members database
- A great store for useful, fun merchandise
And the list goes on and on.....
Drew and the volunteers at RPA have done an amazing job for us. They
have devoted a ton of time, energy and even their own money. This
organization has come a very long way over the past few years and will
go much further because of the commitment and vision of these hard
working people. They do not sit on the side lines making comments.
They stand up and get the job done. Some people are all talk and no
action. These people are all action.
I, for one, would like to publicly recognize their efforts, hard work
and many impressive accomplishments.
Have a great weekend,
Charlie Lynch 116RL
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| Subject: | Re: RPA Dress Code |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Bill Geipel <czech6@earthlink.net>
Sounds like an "Optional" vote to me.
So far it unanomous for optional.
Drew, are you out there?
-----Original Message-----
From: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: RPA Dress Code
--> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
I personally like wearing my flight suits, I have 4, it gives me a
place to hang my patches. I also wear a flight jacket, which I wear
whenever its cold, not only when I'm flying.
I also like wearing my helmet, it looks cool, and has instant sun
glasses, I cant hear a damn thing, cause the speakers suck, but it
still looks damn good.
I'm installing O2 in my jet, I tell people its for safety, but I'm
realling installing it cuase it gives me an excuse to wear my O2 mask,
with my already too cool helmet. Then I can sound like I'm talking
from the inside of a garbage can.
Bottom line, group pictures look better when we're wearing flight
suits rather than liesure suits.
Whats the big deal, if you dont want to wear one dont, forget the
rules, fly and have fun.
Ernie
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| Subject: | Re: RPA Uniforms, Chutes and your Involvement. |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Bill Geipel <czech6@earthlink.net>
Drew,
So if I understand, paraphrasing, you are for Mandatory flight suits because of
the ability to carry pencils and the image. I think I have that right.
Is Colorado the South Central? Or easier yet, who is my RC?
Everybody needs to maintain a good sense of humor. This is actually entertaining.
Bill
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Bill Geipel <czech6@earthlink.net>
Doug,
I love ranting, hell, I'm married with children!
I know just telling you that its the FAA rule isn't comforting, but I'll bet they
won't give an inch.
I went to a fly-in once and they asked if they could auction-off a ride for charity
or??? I said sure. They filled it with gas and we flew. Is that legal? I
don't know but it worked for me. Don't ask, don't tell...
Sharing expenses, I have the airplane & you have the gas. ($$)
I think, that after as long as this has been going on, the FAA is still afraid
of this entire aviation game, import jets, yaks, ??? How do we regulate this!!!???
We shall burn one bridge at a time.
You can't lead me from my rant unless you are an ATP, Commercial, float plane airline
driver.Then we still need to check you credentials. And most importantly
in a flight suit that has been washed less than 6 times to insure Nomex protection.
Two's in.
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| Subject: | Re: You will never be able to fly lead in formation |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Bill Geipel <czech6@earthlink.net>
And your point would be?????
-----Original Message-----
From: N13472@aol.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: You will never be able to fly lead in formation
--> Yak-List message posted by: N13472@aol.com
In a message dated 2/25/2005 12:38:25 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
yak52driver@earthlink.net writes:
I'm too stupid to ever fly
lead because I don't have a commercial? Well...F#(& You!
Frank
N9110M
YAK-52
L71
Frank, This is not like you, beating around the bush? Man say what you mean!
Tom Elliott
CJ-6 N63727
Sandy Valley NV
3L2
702-723-1223
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Bill Geipel <czech6@earthlink.net>
I love this guy too!
-----Original Message-----
From: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Silly?
--> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
I agree, but since its I doubt the FAA is going to change that rule
anytime soon, I'm just going to get my commercial ticket, that way I
CAN get the free stuff AND I can get a LEAD patch.
Ernie
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| Subject: | More Flights Suits |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "cpayne@joimail.com" <cpayne@joimail.com>
So what's the big deal here? Expression of Personal Choice?
New Age Assertiveness of Individualism? Why not do as I do,
slip on the F.S. over your Florida Uniform (T-shirt &
Shorts) when you strap in and remove it when the mission is
over. It gets real funky downwind if I wear it all the time.
One exception, when performing for Compensation at Airshows,
the organizers pay for X-number of Warbirds and expect to
see X-number of "Suits" out there in front of the public.
Craig "Must be YOU I smell" Payne
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Bill Geipel <czech6@earthlink.net>
Put a presentation together, we will all sign it and help you deliver it.
-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Sapp <rvfltd@televar.com>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Silly?
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Well Ernie, they said that about the new class of license also. I do
believe that if an organization like the RPA could get off its ass and move
as a group to lobby the EAA and the AOPA we might effect some change. Our
voice along with the voices of other similar minded organizations might just
do the trick. But instead, we say "no the feds won't ever change" and busy
ourselves with more important things like petty bickering on the list. As a
organization we seem to be unable/unwilling to do much of anything
constructive. But we sure look good!
Always Yakin,
Doug "just a bit disappointed" Sapp
anytime soon, I'm just going to get my commercial ticket, that way I
CAN get the free stuff AND I can get a LEAD patch.
Ernie
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
I'll say one thing Pappy...you got class :)
Frank
"And don't give me that Yak Fifty.
Yes I know she's slick and nifty.
But like the fifty two,
She'll flat spin your ass out of the blue.
No don't give me a Yak fifty!
But give me a CJ-6A
And send me into the fray.
With gun and panache
I'll kick any ass.
Yes! Give me a CJ-6A"
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| Subject: | fighters, helicopters, gunships, |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Bitterlich GS11 Mark G <BitterlichMG@cherrypoint.usmc.mil>
Pappy, you are welcome to get some time in my 50, (as long as Tom will add
you to my insurance policy ... Hey TOM ???)
But I am sorry.... while you are welcome to wear your way-cool WW-II leather
helmet, a flight suit is out of the question.
(just kidding... )
Mark
p.s. No worries about the sky and cows... I removed the Attitute Indicator
and inverter long ago.
-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Pilling [mailto:pilling.k@btconnect.com]
Subject: Yak-List: fighters, helicopters, gunships,
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Kevin Pilling" <pilling.k@btconnect.com>
"Pappy" that's an hugely impressive CV ... + a couple I don't even
recognise....but the obvious 'hole' in your experience is the Yak
50...............come on you '50 owners face up and offer the man a couple
of hours on type !
kp
Remember sky is UP and cows' are DOWN.
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Bitterlich GS11 Mark G <BitterlichMG@cherrypoint.usmc.mil>
--> Yak-List message posted by: MFilucci@aol.com Mike sez:
"Hell, I feel just as comfortable flying three feet
away from a guy who does this for a hobby, sometimes
once a year, as I did when I was in my AF squadron
flying with the same guys on a daily basis who did
this for a living. Crank up the blender, I'll have
another margarita, please."
BitterlichMG@cherrypoint.usmc.mil; Mark Replies:
If that is actually true Mike, maybe you should
consider throwing away that blender!
Mark
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Charlie,
You make good points, and I do apologize if I came across as not being
appreciative of the good things thus far accomplished.....But, I would like
to point out that of the 10 or so well deserved "atta boys" you list, most
are FAST or FAST oriented, is that where were going? Not all the membership
is interested in FAST. But that's a issue for another time and not the one
at hand.
In my post I was not referring to things the RPA has done for it's members
that are interested in the FAST program or really any program for that
matter. I was trying to build a fire under as many folks as possible to do
something different, something that would help all pilots in general, all
over the U.S. I do believe the entire airshow and fly-in attendance would
greatly benefit, as would our organization and our aircraft. Mine was an
effort to include everyone in a task that would be greatly appreciated by
all pilots. I had hopes that folks such as your self would be eager to get
on board and help out, but due to my poor choice of words it seems I have
your wrath not your help. So shoot me, I'm a dreamer.
Again, I accept your criticism and fully agree, they have done a good job
for the membership, but I would challenge us (the RPA) to do even more, I
think we can and should make every effort to become more than we are, we are
growing in numbers and soon will have the clout (if joined by other like
minded organizations) to have a voice and maybe effect some meaningful
changes other than rather we should were flight suits or not. At this time
our collective ox is not being gored so we do not feel we have a need for
alliances with other organizations, but the day may come when we need a
unified voice. This issue just may be what's needed to start such a
dialogue. Unfortunately, IMHO (at this time) the RPA membership appears to
really not be interested in any challenges that either do not benefit us
directly or are not FAST related, and I think that's a shame. Just one
man's opinion.
your mileage may vary
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Charlie Lynch
Subject: Yak-List: RE: Silly?
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Charlie Lynch" <lynch@netjets.com>
Doug -
I very much respect what you have done, what you think and the support
you provide to this community. I also know that you are blowing off
some steam. But in your last email you said "As a
organization we seem to be unable/unwilling to do much of anything
constructive. But we sure look good!"
That statement, although made out of frustration, could not be further
from the truth. What has the RPA done for us?
Our volunteers have created the best formation manual published by any
FAST signatory
Our volunteers have created the best web site of any FAST group
They have developed an amazing formation ground school
They have created a great lead pilot seminar open to all pilots
Look on the RPA web site and you will find incredible resources created
by our people including
- Air show Kit
- Check lists
- World class training programs
- National CFI database
- Event site with registration capabilities
- Availability of important forms from FAST to NASA
- Members database
- A great store for useful, fun merchandise
And the list goes on and on.....
Drew and the volunteers at RPA have done an amazing job for us. They
have devoted a ton of time, energy and even their own money. This
organization has come a very long way over the past few years and will
go much further because of the commitment and vision of these hard
working people. They do not sit on the side lines making comments.
They stand up and get the job done. Some people are all talk and no
action. These people are all action.
I, for one, would like to publicly recognize their efforts, hard work
and many impressive accomplishments.
Have a great weekend,
Charlie Lynch 116RL
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Doug
I agree, I've always though it unfair to not provide operating expenses
because you don't have a commercial. If you make money from air shows it
might be a different situation but if all you're doing is covering costs
then it should be legal.
Frank
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| Subject: | You will never be able to fly lead in formation |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Tom E;
Sorry for the language but I have a hard time with elitist type rules.
In my opinion the National FAST program needs to amend the commercial
pilot +1000 rule. I'm not, and have no intention, of ever getting a
commercial. I'm a fair weather pilot and fly simply for the enjoyment of
it. The rule is wrong, unfair and very discouraging.
Frank
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| Subject: | Re: fighters, helicopters, gunships, |
--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
In a message dated 2/25/2005 7:18:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
BitterlichMG@cherrypoint.usmc.mil writes:
--> Yak-List message posted by: Bitterlich GS11 Mark G
<BitterlichMG@cherrypoint.usmc.mil>
Pappy, you are welcome to get some time in my 50, (as long as Tom will add
you to my insurance policy ... Hey TOM ???)
But I am sorry.... while you are welcome to wear your way-cool WW-II leather
helmet, a flight suit is out of the question.
(just kidding... )
Mark
p.s. No worries about the sky and cows... I removed the Attitute Indicator
and inverter long ago.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++
Now here is a man. A man who knows how to treat his elders. You sweet
thing, you. Get Tom's ass on the phone, I wanta fly!
Pappy
(Lets see, 3,200 hours as instructor in Cubs and Champs(42 years ago). 800+
in DC-3 (41 years ago). Resent time in the B-17. Hmmmmm, That should make
Tom happy)
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Charlie Lynch" <lynch@netjets.com>
Hi Doug,
You have a very interesting point about the air shows. I never really
gave it much thought because I have the commercial rating and 2nd class
medical. I think this is the first time I have heard it brought up.
Maybe it is something we can look into. I would suggest that RPA should
first approach some of the other, large aircraft organizations. If we
can get some buy in from those groups, then we can approach EAA and even
AOPA. Both of those organizations might perceive this as beneficial to
their members. If we get RPA, NATA, T-34, CJAA and EAA or APOA behind
this initiative, then we may have a chance with the FAA.
I would agree that much of what RPA has done to date involves FAST. But
I also believe that is due to the fact that the people who have jumped
in and volunteered are very interested in formation flying. I do know
that Drew and the Board are looking for what else the membership would
like to see. If we can get a few ideas of what else the membership
wants, we can start working on it. Maybe we can focus some energy on
this issue if there is enough desire. Maybe we look at air racing or
aerobatics. I really can see you racing your soon to be highly modified
CJ5 in the Red Bull Races.....
1) The RPA leadership needs a sense of what the members want.
2) More importantly we need people to step up and help turn those ideas
into reality. We have no paid staff and all the volunteers have real,
full time jobs. Progress will only be made if we have active, hard
working volunteers.
What can people do?
- Join RPA and have a voice.
- Send Drew your ideas.
- Become a Regional Coordinator
- Arrange a local fly-in for Yaks / CJs in your area. There does not
have to be any formation flying involved.
- Run for a seat on the Board. Several, including mine are up soon. I
would be happy to have someone with energy and commitment take my place.
There is a need and a desire by all to broaden the scope of the RPA.
But that will only happen if we can get more people to help the cause.
Volunteerism drives this organization ....
Take care,
Charlie Lynch 116RL
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--> Yak-List message posted by: MFilucci@aol.com
In a message dated 2/25/05 7:34:12 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
BitterlichMG@cherrypoint.usmc.mil writes:
If that is actually true Mike, maybe you should
consider throwing away that blender!
Are you kidding, Mark -- it's the blender that helps to blur the distinction
between hobbyist and professionals.
Mike
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Bitterlich GS11 Mark G <BitterlichMG@cherrypoint.usmc.mil>
Touch=E9'
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: MFilucci@aol.com [mailto:MFilucci@aol.com]
Subject: Yak-List: RPA Dress Code
--> Yak-List message posted by: MFilucci@aol.com
In a message dated 2/25/05 7:34:12 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
BitterlichMG@cherrypoint.usmc.mil writes:
If that is actually true Mike, maybe you should
consider throwing away that blender!
Are you kidding, Mark -- it's the blender that helps to blur the
distinction
between hobbyist and professionals.
Mike
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Yakkers
I'm interested in buying a YAK-52 airframe less engine, cheap. A project
airframe is OK.
Anyone got any leads?
Thanks In advance
Frank
N9110M
Yak-52
L71
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--> Yak-List message posted by: fish@aviation-tech.com
Test. . . .
>--> Yak-List message posted by: Bill Geipel <czech6@earthlink.net>
>
>Put a presentation together, we will all sign it and help you deliver it.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Doug Sapp <rvfltd@televar.com>
>To: yak-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Yak-List: Silly?
>
>--> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
>
>Well Ernie, they said that about the new class of license also. I do
>believe that if an organization like the RPA could get off its ass and move
>as a group to lobby the EAA and the AOPA we might effect some change. Our
>voice along with the voices of other similar minded organizations might just
>do the trick. But instead, we say "no the feds won't ever change" and busy
>ourselves with more important things like petty bickering on the list. As
a
>organization we seem to be unable/unwilling to do much of anything
>constructive. But we sure look good!
>
>
>Always Yakin,
>Doug "just a bit disappointed" Sapp
>
>anytime soon, I'm just going to get my commercial ticket, that way I
>CAN get the free stuff AND I can get a LEAD patch.
>
>Ernie
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <barry@flyredstar.org>
On Feb 24, 2005, at 11:59 PM, Yak-List Digest Server wrote:
> During my first visit to Red Stars I was told that unless you had an
> ATP
> (or maybe it was a commercial with 10000 hours or something like that)
> that you could never become lead. It was part of the training class.
Hold on a minute...there were approximately 20 others at that class,
anyone else recall hearing that???
First, that information is not only unequivocally false, and it was
never said by anyone teaching a training class, that I will guarantee.
Second, ATP or commercial with 100000 hours? Uhhhhhh, two very
different things, which was it?
Look, I absolutely HATE to continue to get involved in this stuff, but
when patently false information is publicly distributed about an event
that represents the entire community I think I need to set the record
straight.
Speaking of ARS, the new web site and registration should open any
day....hang in there...
Cheers,
Barry
Barry Hancock
Event Director
All Red Star
(949) 300-5510
www.allredstar.com
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