Today's Message Index:
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1. 04:52 AM - Re: help (A. Dennis Savarese)
2. 05:48 AM - Re: help (Doug Sapp)
3. 06:00 AM - Re: help (Stephen Fox)
4. 07:37 AM - Re: Russian M14 into CJ6 (Barry Hancock)
5. 07:59 AM - 2 months - No insurance Claims? (TC Johnson)
6. 08:13 AM - RCs in the RPA and Newsletters (Drew Blahnick)
7. 08:14 AM - Re: 2 months - No insurance Claims? (Dee L. Conger)
8. 08:21 AM - National Warbird Operator Conference (TC Johnson)
9. 08:27 AM - 2 1/4 " Tachometer (Dee L. Conger)
10. 09:53 AM - Re: RPA Dress Code (Robert de Vries)
11. 10:03 AM - Bowing out... (Tim Gagnon)
12. 04:21 PM - Re: Bowing out... ()
13. 04:25 PM - Re: Re: Howard Hugh's flightsuit (Bitterlich GS11 Mark G)
14. 05:12 PM - Re: Bowing out... (Bitterlich GS11 Mark G)
15. 05:14 PM - help report. (cjpilot710@aol.com)
16. 05:51 PM - Re: help report. (Doug Sapp)
17. 06:01 PM - Re: help report. (cjpilot710@aol.com)
18. 08:03 PM - Re: Re: Howard Hugh's flightsuit (Frank Haertlein)
19. 08:06 PM - Re: Re: Bowing out... ()
20. 08:07 PM - Re: Bowing out... (Frank Haertlein)
21. 08:38 PM - Re: Bowing out... (KingCJ6@aol.com)
22. 10:57 PM - Reprinted with permission.....(and modified for clarity) (Frank Haertlein)
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <DSAVARESE@ELMORE.RR.COM>
Sorry I can't help on that one Pappy. But let me guess what you might have
done. You pulled one of the lifter sleeve assemblies out of the housing and
the bushing and roller dropped into the bottom of the housing requiring you
to remove the entire front end of the engine including the cam plates, to
recover it?
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: <cjpilot710@aol.com>
Subject: Yak-List: help
> --> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
>
> Troops,
>
> M-14P engine. Need to know the procedure to time cam ring to the engine.
> Where are the alignment marks?
>
>
> Will tell you the long tragic story after I fix this #$%
> %&*!@ thing.
>
> Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Jim,
Try Sean Carroll, if my memory is correct, he had the same problem with (I
think) a 285 and found the marks, retimed the cam ring and all went well.
Sean might tell you where and what to look for. Time to fess up, how many
lifter rollers did you drop? Your at it kinda early this morning aren't
you??
email: SCARROLLYAK9@aol.com
Phone 240-375-3037 cell
Good luck
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of A. Dennis
Savarese
Subject: Re: Yak-List: help
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese"
<DSAVARESE@ELMORE.RR.COM>
Sorry I can't help on that one Pappy. But let me guess what you might have
done. You pulled one of the lifter sleeve assemblies out of the housing and
the bushing and roller dropped into the bottom of the housing requiring you
to remove the entire front end of the engine including the cam plates, to
recover it?
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: <cjpilot710@aol.com>
Subject: Yak-List: help
> --> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
>
> Troops,
>
> M-14P engine. Need to know the procedure to time cam ring to the engine.
> Where are the alignment marks?
>
>
> Will tell you the long tragic story after I fix this #$%
> %&*!@ thing.
>
> Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Stephen Fox <jsfox@adelphia.net>
Jim,
You may also want to give Cliff Coy a call up at Gesoco 802-868-5633. He
may be able to give you some direction.
Good luck,
Steve Fox
On 2/28/05 8:46 AM, "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com> wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
>
> Jim,
> Try Sean Carroll, if my memory is correct, he had the same problem with (I
> think) a 285 and found the marks, retimed the cam ring and all went well.
> Sean might tell you where and what to look for. Time to fess up, how many
> lifter rollers did you drop? Your at it kinda early this morning aren't
> you??
>
> email: SCARROLLYAK9@aol.com
> Phone 240-375-3037 cell
>
> Good luck
>
> Always Yakin,
> Doug Sapp
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of A. Dennis
> Savarese
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: help
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese"
> <DSAVARESE@ELMORE.RR.COM>
>
> Sorry I can't help on that one Pappy. But let me guess what you might have
> done. You pulled one of the lifter sleeve assemblies out of the housing and
> the bushing and roller dropped into the bottom of the housing requiring you
> to remove the entire front end of the engine including the cam plates, to
> recover it?
> Dennis
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <cjpilot710@aol.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: help
>
>
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
>>
>> Troops,
>>
>> M-14P engine. Need to know the procedure to time cam ring to the engine.
>> Where are the alignment marks?
>>
>>
>> Will tell you the long tragic story after I fix this #$%
>> %&*!@ thing.
>>
>> Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Russian M14 into CJ6 |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <barry@flyredstar.org>
On Feb 27, 2005, at 11:58 PM, Yak-List Digest Server wrote:
> Hi Guys,
> I read recently here that the CJ6 climbs a lot better and picks up
> around 10
> knots better airspeed with the M14 fitted. What sort of consumption
> figures
> would you expect from this?
> Regards,
> Lance Robb
> NQ Warbirds Aust
Lance,
The M14P equipped CJ is an outstanding package. Climb is significantly
improved. Raw figures to me are not as telling as reactions from
myself and other pilots the first time the throttle meets the forward
stop with the M14P. I have yet to hear a pilot that doesn't say
something like "WOW!" or "Holy Crap!" the first time he experiences 360
hp on takeoff. Most of these guys have great command of the english
language, too.
A good illustration is in the aerobatic regime. In the stock CJ you
cannot maintain your energy throughout a routine without gobbling up
altitude at some point
(or at least I can't! :) ). With the M14P, altitude loss is much less
significant, back to back high energy maneuvers are relatively easy to
accomplish, etc.
As far as cruise speed, 10 knots is a bit much. Depending on a LOT of
factors, 5 knots with the same power setting (%) is more realistic.
(This, however, is going to change in the near future with a new cowl
being designed which will much improve the airflow through the engine
compartment...it's based on the Sukhoi cowl, and is a Super Secret
Squirrel project for now, so don't ask any details... I don't have the
security clearance to answer them. All I know is they are talking 10+
knot increase.)
Fuel burn? You are obviously going to burn more at higher power
settings (take off, acro, etc.) but a standard cruise profile will net
you about the same fuel burn for the same settings. Because you can
climb more quickly and a cruising slightly faster, your block to block
fuel consumption is actually a bit lower with the M14P than the Housai.
Don't believe me? Ask anyone who has flown cross country with both
set ups in the group. I actually think that's the main reason Walt
bought a T-28....if he was going to burn more gas, he wanted to both
prove a point about just *how much more* gas he could burn, and also be
the first one to the john at each stop.
For what it's worth, I have flown the CJ6A with the stock engine, M14P
and two blade prop, and M14P with 3 blade prop. I have over 100 ours
in each configuration. My comments are based on my personal experience
and the experience of well over a dozen other CJ owners that I have
spoken to about this. But then again, after spending over $30K for the
conversion, we might just all be making ourselves feel good! :)-
Hope this helps!
Cheers,
Barry
Barry Hancock
Worldwide Warbirds, Inc.
office (714) 730-3958
cell (949) 300-5510
www.worldwidewarbirds.com
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| Subject: | 2 months - No insurance Claims? |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "TC Johnson" <tjohnson@cannonaviation.com>
I'm about to send out an email to the Yak list saying that we've gone:
2 months - No Accidents / Incidents!!
(So if you have something to tell me, please call soon).. .
This is a really great start to the year.
What has changed?
A full year with no incidents wound be a real accomplishment.
But let's keep the focus on today.
Thanks for everyones cooperation.
Tj
**********************************
Thomas Johnson
Cannon Aviation Insurance
Ass't Vice President
Tel: 800-851-2997
Fax: 480-951-1455
Cell: 602-628-2701
E: tjohnson@cannonaviation.com
R.P.F.R.E.T.
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| Subject: | RCs in the RPA and Newsletters |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Drew Blahnick <lacloudchaser@yahoo.com>
The first question is on your browser and loggin in, second part is a primer on
the RCs system, third subject is on the newsletter - which everyone I hope reads
please.
On loging in to flyredstar:
Folks our system allows us to see your internet browser version. The vast majority
use MS Internet Explorer 6.0 and a few NetScape, but if you use one of these
and for whatever reason can not log in to the website, we would like a personal
email from you: Just want to make sure the browsers are supported.
Your Browser - And how many of our members use these:
KHTML - 7
Mozilla 1.7 - 5
Moozilla - 32
If you use these and are having any difficulty loggin in, just let me know directly
offline, just want to insure these are not giving anyone difficulty.
RCs:
Regional Coordinators are folks within your area that have responded to a call
- they are volunteers. In a perfect world they are the operational managers to
help get the membership in their regions what they want out of the RPA. We did
this because we are all volunteers; the RPA has potentially over 400 members
and possibly many more based on our database and aircraft owners, too much for
any one guy with a wife and kids to respond to; but an RC may just have 25
- 60 members in his region. I think this is the logical system for the future.
They are appointed; if they are unresponsive, I'm sure there is someone in
that region that would jump in.
I know how many members are in each region, as do the RCs, it's much more manageble
a system using RCs (mail outs, elections, vote tallys, etc.), but only if
they are responsive. If a region with 36 RPA members shows 19 members requesting
a change, and this sentiment runs through all regions, we can easily quantify
an entire associations position without burdening any one volunteer - and
the BoD has good numbers on the position, as well as trusted regional opinions
from those RCs to consult with.
Again, its a new system and its an appointed position; the success of the system
depends on the RC to help that region, from tallying your inputs to other management
tasks. In the future, it should probably be an electronic vote of that
regions membership for the RC (regional email responses, etc, nothing too labor
intensive - saving time to fly airplanes is paramount).
It is my hope that from some of these RCs comes the candidates for future elected
BoD members and future President & VP. But anyone can run for these of course.
Because these positions manage only a fraction of the total membership, they are
not time consuming positions; outside of answering a few regional emails, mailing
out a ballot to your members once a year, helping grab or write an article
for the bulletins/newsletters and overseeing any issues with regional events,
the positions have no structured responsabilities/dutues (unlike say, treasurer
or web). If you are interested in this for your region and can commit to
helping the RPA if needed, please email me offline. If I have enough RC candidates
from each region, we can move it to a local electronic tally election process
in the near future that would legitimize the system.
Newsletter, bulletins and other direct email communications:
Note: This is the last call for folks to insure if they are RPA members to update
the "account administration" page on flyredstar with their current email address.
What this means is if anyone is logging in to the website with an old
email address that you have changed from your active email address, you should
update the database with your new one. If you can not log in to the RPA site
(which indicates you may be loging in with something other than the email or
password in the database), email me offline and I will check your email address
against the database. The database has something like 430 current and past
due members and all will be issued the newsletter tonight, followed up by the
Training Bulletin. Spam blocker email is now on a large percentage of computers,
to insure you receive these products, our system will be using my personal
email : lacloudchaser@yahoo.com as the sender, so as long as your spam blocker
allows email from that address your good to go.
Note 2: Statistics that show this is a viable system:
Total RPA members who have no email address on file/don't recieve email: Only
5%
In our first newsletter issue Jan 3rd to test the system, here's what we got:
Sent to: 376 emails Delivered to 374 with only 2 bounces.
Opened by 225 who recieved it.
The 225 is a "soft" number and probably the least accurate; it may indicate some
newsletters went in to your spam file and you didn't know it, and/or it indicates
your computer "hides" our systems attempts to see if the email was opened...
Drew
Drew Blahnick
RPA President
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| Subject: | 2 months - No insurance Claims? |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Dee L. Conger" <dee@ansatainc.com>
Probably no accidents because it's been Freekin' raining for all of
2005!
Dee L. Conger
(858) 754-3010 Direct
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of TC Johnson
Subject: Yak-List: 2 months - No insurance Claims?
--> Yak-List message posted by: "TC Johnson"
<tjohnson@cannonaviation.com>
I'm about to send out an email to the Yak list saying that we've gone:
2 months - No Accidents / Incidents!!
(So if you have something to tell me, please call soon).. .
This is a really great start to the year.
What has changed?
A full year with no incidents wound be a real accomplishment.
But let's keep the focus on today.
Thanks for everyones cooperation.
Tj
**********************************
Thomas Johnson
Cannon Aviation Insurance
Ass't Vice President
Tel: 800-851-2997
Fax: 480-951-1455
Cell: 602-628-2701
E: tjohnson@cannonaviation.com
R.P.F.R.E.T.
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| Subject: | National Warbird Operator Conference |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "TC Johnson" <tjohnson@cannonaviation.com>
The National Warbird Operator Conference (NWOC) went off with great success.
We had a Yak / CJ specific breakout session with several trainer Yak/CJ operators
and several fighter operators.
A summary of the Yak meeting:
a.. Discussed "aging" aircraft issues, specifically landing gear actuator seals,
hoses, fabric etc.
a.. Recommend overhauling your gear actuators at some point.
b.. Lack of Designated Examiners for "Heavy" Yaks to give type ratings.
c.. Safety / Training
a.. Improving the safety record
b.. Standardized training
c.. National CFI database
d.. Dissemination of critical information
a.. Role of the "Yak list" in disseminating CRITICAL information (excess noise
on list?)
b.. Can the "list" be redesigned to favor safety / mechanical information transfer?
c.. Recommended the Fighter "Heavy" Yaks develop a unique subset to address
their needs (for speed, water, US engines, etc).
Overall a very successful conference with a growing Yak / CJ contingent each and
every year.
2006 NWOC will be in Orlando FL
Tj
**********************************
Thomas Johnson
Cannon Aviation Insurance
Ass't Vice President
Tel: 800-851-2997
Fax: 480-951-1455
Cell: 602-628-2701
E: tjohnson@cannonaviation.com
R.P.F.R.E.T.
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| Subject: | 2 1/4 " Tachometer |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Dee L. Conger" <dee@ansatainc.com>
Does anyone have a source for a 2 =BC" tachometer that can interface to the M14P
and shows percent RPM (0 - 100%)?
Dee L. Conger
(858) 754-3010 Direct
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| Subject: | Re: RPA Dress Code |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Robert de Vries <rob@redyak.demon.nl>
Dear all,
Lovely discussions on flying 'En Vogue' in our Yak's etc.
Here my two Euro cents (about 2.3 dollar cents!!)
In Europe EVERY BODY ,besides the odd exeption, who operates a warbird
like acft or displays in airshows uses 'the gear'
Why?
1.Looks good (exept for me after growing belly after too many of nbr 3.
below)
2.Name tags,easy to recognize
3.Holds many brewskies in openend chest zippers when -if- you buy some
for your display buddies!!
4.Can wear same suit 5 days long,only change undies,sweat smell will be
replaced by beer+oil smell after one day,if even display buddies run
away:change suit!!
5.Used to look great in it (yes same as nbr 1)
Now the safety part:
CHEAP investment; read on please,
About 60 USD or 50 Euro buys you a good,seasoned Nomex suit at your
average airshow letout gipsy.
So if you wash it after each use it'll will give you a few SECONDS
flame/heat protection in case shit happens and you can still
run/walk/crawl,but even with the rescue crew trying to extinguish the
flames it MIGHT help some while unconsciously still strapped
in....(saved the ass of a SU-29 driver engulfed in flames in Holland 3
years ago,he would have lost major skin without suit he told me
afterwards)
Especially if combined with leather hi-boots and nomex GLOVES; you will
need UNBURNT hands to open belt and canopy,don't you?
Now if you combine your DC headset with a 350 USD DC 'bone dome'
conversion,you may be even conscious after your little
airshow/whatever-mishap......and live to learn.
Did you ever see what happens to the -52 front cockpit canopy after a
'runway-overshoot-ending-in-the ditch-flip-over-landing?
Well,draw a straight line between the top of the tail and the top of
the engine cowl.
The front cockpit crushes your unprotected scull, I know at least one
young US/UK pilot who did so five years ago after a HI&hot landing in a
short wet airfield,and survived.
Thanks to wearing a helmet, only thing he missed was a canopy breaker
tool he told me afterwards (std in many mil acft) ,conopy jammed,they
had to get him out,shaken AND stirred!!
More important ;all those ZIPPERS will hold your shit
(cellphone,keys,lenscaps,digicam,pencils,empty beercans,etc) inside
suit, so they will not become a JAMMED CONTROL !!!
Remember,this one has cost several acro pilots their lives!!, in a
52etc combine it with the fod screen in the back and saftey really
improves.
Chute:
Well,most of the time it is the most expensive cushion you ever bought
BUT>
If you get that fuel leak+fire?
Jump!
If someone 'formates' your empannage to hell?
Jump!
I agree that for day to day Cessna/Piper cruising one don't need all
this.
But what we do with our Yaks is a little more than cruising
along........why not cheaply protect ourselves this way?
And I agree with the rest:good training-flightsuit or not-prevents a
whole lot of the reasons for wearing all this -did I mention IMPRESSIVE
- looking gear!!
So please ex Mil guys,let them amateurs wear these suits,it just MIGHT
save their bacon one day.
However everyone should decide for themselves how to protect, make it a
strong advice iso mandatory.
cheers!
fly safe,
Robert.
www.redyak.tk
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Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 13:01:55 -0500
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@msn.com>
Pappy, you are more than welcome to fly my airplane (when it flies again).
As to the list, I have taken part in one too many discussion that have gone from
something that had no clear direction to straight down. Damn...no more.
Tim Gagnon
Enjoy the list fella's
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--> Yak-List message posted by: <johnhilterman1@cox.net>
Concur Tim. Maybe we should rotate the duty of watching the list on a
monthly basis. When you're "on duty" your job is to forward good info
that's of use to the rest of your buds so that all of us don't have to put
up with the drivel. We could call this person the "duty beeyatch"
Any single seat, big meaters want to volunteer first???
Hitman
Frosty/Freezer....I can't help myself.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tim Gagnon
Subject: Yak-List: Bowing out...
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@msn.com>
Pappy, you are more than welcome to fly my airplane (when it flies again).
As to the list, I have taken part in one too many discussion that have gone
from something that had no clear direction to straight down. Damn...no more.
Tim Gagnon
Enjoy the list fella's
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| Subject: | Howard Hugh's flightsuit |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Bitterlich GS11 Mark G <BitterlichMG@cherrypoint.usmc.mil>
Agreed. Concur. Points made. Horse has been beaten to death. Thanks to
all.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: Ernest Martinez [mailto:erniel29@gmail.com]
Subject: Re: RE: Yak-List: Howard Hugh's flightsuit
--> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
For gods sakes, drop the flight suit thread!!!!!!!
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Bitterlich GS11 Mark G <BitterlichMG@cherrypoint.usmc.mil>
Ya know John, I sent you a private email on this very subject.... and just
before you sent this message, I concurred about dropping this whole "flight
suit" issue.
But... I had to reply to this since I am the only single seat "big meater"
(is that a word?) around here (not in any way your "Duty Beeyatch" by the
bye) [Big Smile]
That said, thanks to all who got the idea of what I was trying to say. To
the rest, let me please say that this whole thing has gotten totally out of
hand, and I can not help but think that must be my fault. My whole thrust
was centered around one point and one point only, and it seems to have
gotten lost... forgotten, never understood, WHAT EVER!
It was never about whether you personally happened to like wearing a flight
suit. Or what you thought of those that did, or did not.
It was NEVER about whether a flight suit prevented a lot of pain from burns.
Of COURSE a Nomex Flight suit adds to safety. OF COURSE IT HELPS PREVENT
INJURY FROM FIRE.
Of COURSE it would have saved countless hours of pain and suffering if
everyone had worn one in an aircraft crash/fire.
My one... my one and only point... nothing else, not one DARN THING ELSE was
simply this:
TO DENY SOMEONE FROM RECEIVING FORMATION FLIGHT TRAINING SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY
DO NOT OWN OR CARE TO PURCHASE A FLIGHT SUIT IS IN ITSELF AN UNSAFE ACT, ONE
THAT CARRIES FAR MORE POTENTIAL DANGER THAN NOT WEARING A FLIGHT SUIT AT
ALL.
EVERY EXPERIENCED PILOT SHOULD ALWAYS GIVE ANYONE WHO DESIRES IT, THE
TRAINING THAT THEY ASK FOR. TO TAKE EVERY REASONABLE STEP POSSIBLE IN ORDER
TO TRY AND PREVENT THEM FROM KILLING THEMSELVES AND THOSE AROUND THEM BY
TRYING TO LEARN ON THEIR OWN ANY POTENTIALLY HAZARDOUS FLIGHT REGIME.
If there are those that disagree with the above, then you folks are as
welcome to your own opinion as I am to mine.
If you do happen to agree with the above, then maybe you might care to help
change any policy that disagrees with it.
I apologize to those that got fed up. I initially thought that it was a
point worth making.
BT
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: johnhilterman1@cox.net [mailto:johnhilterman1@cox.net]
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Bowing out...
--> Yak-List message posted by: <johnhilterman1@cox.net>
Concur Tim. Maybe we should rotate the duty of watching the list on a
monthly basis. When you're "on duty" your job is to forward good info
that's of use to the rest of your buds so that all of us don't have to put
up with the drivel. We could call this person the "duty beeyatch"
Any single seat, big meaters want to volunteer first???
Hitman
Frosty/Freezer....I can't help myself.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tim Gagnon
Subject: Yak-List: Bowing out...
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@msn.com>
Pappy, you are more than welcome to fly my airplane (when it flies again).
As to the list, I have taken part in one too many discussion that have gone
from something that had no clear direction to straight down. Damn...no more.
Tim Gagnon
Enjoy the list fella's
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--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
Annual inspection have always cause me a sense of dread. If it is not
something you FIND during inspection but something you DO during inspections that
make things worse. Take oil leaks. Actually very minor oil seeps in this
case. "Mere nothings" on a radial engine. You know the old adage for radial
engines, "If it ant' leaking oil, it ant' got any oil in it".
And so starts this saga.
We were test running the engine (M-14P) after doing the normal compression
test, checking valve clearances, oil screens and filter, and clean up to check
for leaks. Sure enough, we found 3 mere seeps at the base of the push rod
guides, right at the engine crank case. My baby brother and my own private
A&P decided they needed to be fixed. Those of you who really know the M-14P
can see what's coming. We got one of the guides a little to high off the case
and we lost a pin that holds the roller. The roller, its insert, and pin,
fell down into the cam gear section of the engine.
Yours truly, proceeded to throw a tantrum unbefitting a person of my stature
and grace. In the process I broke my bifocals. Scared my baby brother.
In order to retrieve said pin, roller, and insert. PLUS reassemble the
whole shebang, one needs to do the following.
1. Put #4 piston at top dead center AND DO NOT MOVE.
2. Remove propeller.
3. Remove gill shutters.
4. Remove propeller governor.
5. Remove flexible oil line between case and sump.
6. Remove nose section of engine (gear reduction section).
7. Remove the bull gear from the crank shaft. This required a special
socket which took me 4 days and $200 to have made.
8. Remove the front web to the cam section. I needed to buy a large gear
puller and modifying it.
There is no short cut here. If you drop anything into the cam section, you
are in for at least 3 to 4 hours work IF you have all the special tools and
know where things are at. This translates into 4 or 5 days works if it's your
first time and no tools.
Now remember this! Once you're in the cam section, DO NOT MOVE THE CAM
GEAR!!!!!
If you move either the cam gear or crank shaft, you are in deep Kim-she
unless you really know what you're doing and know how to set the M-14 cam timing.
Once you've recovered the parts, than replaced the gasket and "O" ring at
the base of the guide, inserted it back into the case, and than reassemble the
roller, insert, pin, spring, and push rod seat, you are ready to reverse the
steps above.
I'm leaving out a whole lots of details here, simply because I'm tired of
messing with this whole thing. But one thing I will tell you, if the push rod
guide at the engine case is seeping oil, first just tighten the nuts and make
sure it's not the rubber hose above it that is leaking. Than LEAVE THE
FUCKERS A LONE!!!
BUT, if you simply must do it, call me or Vladimir, for a possible way of
doing it. NO GARRENTIES.
Yes, my engine is up and running smoothly (and dry) again.
My new trifocals cost $300.
And yes, I still love my baby brother.
You're's truly,
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Old trick: Take a length of heavy silk thread, coat it with zinc chromate
putty, AKA "Green Gorilla Grunt". Ease the offending part up just enough to
free the gasket wind no more than two turns under the gasket or part or
both, getting as much GGG in between as the thread will carry (don't get
carried away). Retorque and prepare to be amazed..........50 to 70%% of the
time it works like a charm, the rest of the time it leaks just about as much
as it did before so your really no worse off than before. We used this same
silk thread trick on case halves of Lyc and Cont. engines when we assembled
them. Coat both sides with GGG, lay the thread on one half in a snake like
pattern, and bolt it up with nary a leak in 2,000 hours.
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
cjpilot710@aol.com
Subject: Yak-List: help report.
--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
Annual inspection have always cause me a sense of dread. If it is not
something you FIND during inspection but something you DO during
inspections that
make things worse. Take oil leaks. Actually very minor oil seeps in this
case. "Mere nothings" on a radial engine. You know the old adage for
radial
engines, "If it ant' leaking oil, it ant' got any oil in it".
And so starts this saga.
We were test running the engine (M-14P) after doing the normal compression
test, checking valve clearances, oil screens and filter, and clean up to
check
for leaks. Sure enough, we found 3 mere seeps at the base of the push rod
guides, right at the engine crank case. My baby brother and my own private
A&P decided they needed to be fixed. Those of you who really know the
M-14P
can see what's coming. We got one of the guides a little to high off the
case
and we lost a pin that holds the roller. The roller, its insert, and pin,
fell down into the cam gear section of the engine.
Yours truly, proceeded to throw a tantrum unbefitting a person of my
stature
and grace. In the process I broke my bifocals. Scared my baby brother.
In order to retrieve said pin, roller, and insert. PLUS reassemble the
whole shebang, one needs to do the following.
1. Put #4 piston at top dead center AND DO NOT MOVE.
2. Remove propeller.
3. Remove gill shutters.
4. Remove propeller governor.
5. Remove flexible oil line between case and sump.
6. Remove nose section of engine (gear reduction section).
7. Remove the bull gear from the crank shaft. This required a special
socket which took me 4 days and $200 to have made.
8. Remove the front web to the cam section. I needed to buy a large gear
puller and modifying it.
There is no short cut here. If you drop anything into the cam section, you
are in for at least 3 to 4 hours work IF you have all the special tools and
know where things are at. This translates into 4 or 5 days works if it's
your
first time and no tools.
Now remember this! Once you're in the cam section, DO NOT MOVE THE CAM
GEAR!!!!!
If you move either the cam gear or crank shaft, you are in deep Kim-she
unless you really know what you're doing and know how to set the M-14 cam
timing.
Once you've recovered the parts, than replaced the gasket and "O" ring at
the base of the guide, inserted it back into the case, and than reassemble
the
roller, insert, pin, spring, and push rod seat, you are ready to reverse
the
steps above.
I'm leaving out a whole lots of details here, simply because I'm tired of
messing with this whole thing. But one thing I will tell you, if the push
rod
guide at the engine case is seeping oil, first just tighten the nuts and
make
sure it's not the rubber hose above it that is leaking. Than LEAVE THE
FUCKERS A LONE!!!
BUT, if you simply must do it, call me or Vladimir, for a possible way of
doing it. NO GARRENTIES.
Yes, my engine is up and running smoothly (and dry) again.
My new trifocals cost $300.
And yes, I still love my baby brother.
You're's truly,
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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| Subject: | Re: help report. |
--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
In a message dated 2/28/2005 8:51:52 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
rvfltd@televar.com writes:
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Old trick: Take a length of heavy silk thread, coat it with zinc chromate
putty, AKA "Green Gorilla Grunt". Ease the offending part up just enough to
free the gasket wind no more than two turns under the gasket or part or
both, getting as much GGG in between as the thread will carry (don't get
carried away). Retorque and prepare to be amazed..........50 to 70%% of the
time it works like a charm, the rest of the time it leaks just about as much
as it did before so your really no worse off than before. We used this same
silk thread trick on case halves of Lyc and Cont. engines when we assembled
them. Coat both sides with GGG, lay the thread on one half in a snake like
pattern, and bolt it up with nary a leak in 2,000 hours.
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Doug,
I wish to hell I'd talked to you first thing!!!!!!!!!
Pappy
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| Subject: | Howard Hugh's flightsuit |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Agreed. Concur. Points made. Horse has been beaten to death
Lesson learned....NEVER STATE YOUR OPINION about anything having to do
with Red Stars rules and regulations.....it's obvious members shouldn't
question ANYTHING! Just be a "go along to get along" lemming.
Cheers!
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: Ernest Martinez [mailto:erniel29@gmail.com]
Subject: Re: RE: Yak-List: Howard Hugh's flightsuit
--> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
For gods sakes, drop the flight suit thread!!!!!!!
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| Subject: | Re: Bowing out... |
--> Yak-List message posted by: <johnhilterman1@cox.net>
OK.....here's the deal. Like I said in my response to your private email, I
have no issue with your thoughts on this whole subject. I agree with you
completely Mark. My issue was with the fellas that don't want to wear a
flight suit simply because someone is telling them that they have to,
period. Wearing one is no big deal to me.....price of admission to fly in
the military. Think about this: You're a pilot who wants to learn how to
fly formation. One of the requirements is that you have to wear nomex
whatever. You decide that you don't like being told what's required or
what to do and take your ball and bat and go home because that's more
important to you. To me, I really have to ask myself what was this guys
motivation to learn how to fly formation. Must not be that important
afterall. Just an observation.
Hitman's off safe......for good.
>
> From: Bitterlich GS11 Mark G <BitterlichMG@cherrypoint.usmc.mil>
> Date: 2005/02/28 Mon PM 08:15:20 EST
> To: "'yak-list@matronics.com'" <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Bowing out...
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Bitterlich GS11 Mark G
<BitterlichMG@cherrypoint.usmc.mil>
>
> Ya know John, I sent you a private email on this very subject.... and
just
> before you sent this message, I concurred about dropping this whole
"flight
> suit" issue.
>
> But... I had to reply to this since I am the only single seat "big meater"
> (is that a word?) around here (not in any way your "Duty Beeyatch" by
the
> bye) [Big Smile]
>
> That said, thanks to all who got the idea of what I was trying to say.
To
> the rest, let me please say that this whole thing has gotten totally out
of
> hand, and I can not help but think that must be my fault. My whole
thrust
> was centered around one point and one point only, and it seems to
have
> gotten lost... forgotten, never understood, WHAT EVER!
>
> It was never about whether you personally happened to like wearing a
flight
> suit. Or what you thought of those that did, or did not.
>
> It was NEVER about whether a flight suit prevented a lot of pain from
burns.
>
>
> Of COURSE a Nomex Flight suit adds to safety. OF COURSE IT HELPS
PREVENT
> INJURY FROM FIRE.
>
> Of COURSE it would have saved countless hours of pain and suffering
if
> everyone had worn one in an aircraft crash/fire.
>
> My one... my one and only point... nothing else, not one DARN THING
ELSE was
> simply this:
>
> TO DENY SOMEONE FROM RECEIVING FORMATION FLIGHT TRAINING
SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY
> DO NOT OWN OR CARE TO PURCHASE A FLIGHT SUIT IS IN ITSELF AN
UNSAFE ACT, ONE
> THAT CARRIES FAR MORE POTENTIAL DANGER THAN NOT WEARING A
FLIGHT SUIT AT
> ALL.
>
> EVERY EXPERIENCED PILOT SHOULD ALWAYS GIVE ANYONE WHO
DESIRES IT, THE
> TRAINING THAT THEY ASK FOR. TO TAKE EVERY REASONABLE STEP
POSSIBLE IN ORDER
> TO TRY AND PREVENT THEM FROM KILLING THEMSELVES AND THOSE
AROUND THEM BY
> TRYING TO LEARN ON THEIR OWN ANY POTENTIALLY HAZARDOUS
FLIGHT REGIME.
>
> If there are those that disagree with the above, then you folks are as
> welcome to your own opinion as I am to mine.
>
> If you do happen to agree with the above, then maybe you might care
to help
> change any policy that disagrees with it.
>
> I apologize to those that got fed up. I initially thought that it was a
> point worth making.
>
> BT
>
> Mark Bitterlich
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: johnhilterman1@cox.net [mailto:johnhilterman1@cox.net]
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Bowing out...
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: <johnhilterman1@cox.net>
>
> Concur Tim. Maybe we should rotate the duty of watching the list on
a
> monthly basis. When you're "on duty" your job is to forward good info
> that's of use to the rest of your buds so that all of us don't have to put
> up with the drivel. We could call this person the "duty beeyatch"
>
> Any single seat, big meaters want to volunteer first???
>
> Hitman
> Frosty/Freezer....I can't help myself.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tim
Gagnon
> To: yak-list
> Subject: Yak-List: Bowing out...
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Tim Gagnon"
<NiftyYak50@msn.com>
>
> Pappy, you are more than welcome to fly my airplane (when it flies
again).
>
> As to the list, I have taken part in one too many discussion that have
gone
> from something that had no clear direction to straight down.
Damn...no more.
>
> Tim Gagnon
>
> Enjoy the list fella's
>
>
> _-
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=========================
> _-
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> _-
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>
>
>
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Mark
It WAS a point worth making! Stating an opinion about rules is a right
in any organization except maybe Red Stars. Did you see how I got beat
up? Geesh! Don't make any jokes either...we got some thin skins around
here.
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich
GS11 Mark G
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Bowing out...
--> Yak-List message posted by: Bitterlich GS11 Mark G
--> <BitterlichMG@cherrypoint.usmc.mil>
Ya know John, I sent you a private email on this very subject.... and
just before you sent this message, I concurred about dropping this whole
"flight suit" issue.
But... I had to reply to this since I am the only single seat "big
meater" (is that a word?) around here (not in any way your "Duty
Beeyatch" by the
bye) [Big Smile]
That said, thanks to all who got the idea of what I was trying to say.
To the rest, let me please say that this whole thing has gotten totally
out of hand, and I can not help but think that must be my fault. My
whole thrust was centered around one point and one point only, and it
seems to have
gotten lost... forgotten, never understood, WHAT EVER!
It was never about whether you personally happened to like wearing a
flight suit. Or what you thought of those that did, or did not.
It was NEVER about whether a flight suit prevented a lot of pain from
burns.
Of COURSE a Nomex Flight suit adds to safety. OF COURSE IT HELPS
PREVENT INJURY FROM FIRE.
Of COURSE it would have saved countless hours of pain and suffering if
everyone had worn one in an aircraft crash/fire.
My one... my one and only point... nothing else, not one DARN THING ELSE
was simply this:
TO DENY SOMEONE FROM RECEIVING FORMATION FLIGHT TRAINING SIMPLY BECAUSE
THEY DO NOT OWN OR CARE TO PURCHASE A FLIGHT SUIT IS IN ITSELF AN UNSAFE
ACT, ONE THAT CARRIES FAR MORE POTENTIAL DANGER THAN NOT WEARING A
FLIGHT SUIT AT
ALL.
EVERY EXPERIENCED PILOT SHOULD ALWAYS GIVE ANYONE WHO DESIRES IT, THE
TRAINING THAT THEY ASK FOR. TO TAKE EVERY REASONABLE STEP POSSIBLE IN
ORDER TO TRY AND PREVENT THEM FROM KILLING THEMSELVES AND THOSE AROUND
THEM BY TRYING TO LEARN ON THEIR OWN ANY POTENTIALLY HAZARDOUS FLIGHT
REGIME.
If there are those that disagree with the above, then you folks are as
welcome to your own opinion as I am to mine.
If you do happen to agree with the above, then maybe you might care to
help change any policy that disagrees with it.
I apologize to those that got fed up. I initially thought that it was a
point worth making.
BT
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: johnhilterman1@cox.net [mailto:johnhilterman1@cox.net]
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Bowing out...
--> Yak-List message posted by: <johnhilterman1@cox.net>
Concur Tim. Maybe we should rotate the duty of watching the list on a
monthly basis. When you're "on duty" your job is to forward good info
that's of use to the rest of your buds so that all of us don't have to
put up with the drivel. We could call this person the "duty beeyatch"
Any single seat, big meaters want to volunteer first???
Hitman
Frosty/Freezer....I can't help myself.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tim Gagnon
Subject: Yak-List: Bowing out...
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Tim Gagnon" <NiftyYak50@msn.com>
Pappy, you are more than welcome to fly my airplane (when it flies
again).
As to the list, I have taken part in one too many discussion that have
gone from something that had no clear direction to straight down.
Damn...no more.
Tim Gagnon
Enjoy the list fella's
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--> Yak-List message posted by: KingCJ6@aol.com
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Thanks for writing back, "name deleted". I'm in agreement that you
should have some time under your belt for lead or even wingman training.
I've been doing aerobatics since 1988, off and on, and would say that I
can handle an airplane better than most.... yet somehow, somebody has
said a commercial ticket is more valuable for lead qualification. In my
opinion, a lead or wingman with extensive aerobatic training more highly
valued than a straight and level "commercial guy". Without aerobatic
training do you really know and understand the handling and limits of
your airplane? I highly doubt it.
Who would you rather have on your wing? A guy who's racked up his time
by countless boring hours in straight and level (your typical commercial
pilot) or someone who's gone thru an aerobatics training regimen with
hundreds of hours in actual aerobatic flight?
I would think that flying in close proximity to other aircraft you would
want to fly next to someone that can really handle his airplane. In my
opinion, a commercial isn't really necessary.....it's more of an elitist
thing. Demonstrated proficiency should be the real clincher.
I was voicing my opinion when I posted my two objections to the YAK list
i.e. do away with the commercial requirement and the mandatory flight
suit requirement. Considering the lashing I got I really don't expect a
change in the rules.
You may know where California City is located (where I live) and if so
you'll also know that there's allot of AF military in this area. Call it
a spillover from Edwards AFB if you will. There's an RV club here that
engages in formation training activities.....the larger part of them
being active or retired military. Interesting how they don't wear flight
suits while flying formation.
As regards the YAK-List postings, I was surprised by the number of
people who responded that flight suits should be optional.
Best Regards and HAVE FUN!
Frank
PS. You may have a hard time understanding this (given the recent
bashing I got on the list) but I support Red Stars. They've done more
than any other organization in training their members and in promoting
our airplanes. As a member myself, I feel that I have a right to state
my opinion and I'll be goddammed if I'll let any "post and run" punks
shut me up!
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