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1. 04:23 AM - Re: M14P Cowl Support Ring (Scott Kirk)
2. 05:04 AM - Re: M14P Cowl Support Ring (cjpilot710@aol.com)
3. 05:32 AM - Re: M14P Cowl Support Ring (Scott Kirk)
4. 06:48 AM - Re: a NEW subject (Ira Saligman)
5. 07:15 AM - Prop Feathering (Terry Calloway)
6. 08:10 AM - Re: Prop Feathering (A. Dennis Savarese)
7. 08:17 AM - Re: a NEW subject (A. Dennis Savarese)
8. 08:21 AM - Re: Prop Feathering (Vance Cochrane)
9. 08:27 AM - Re: [SPAM] - Leeward Mini Clinic - Email found in subject (Terry)
10. 08:35 AM - Re: M14P Cowl Support Ring (Dee L. Conger)
11. 08:37 AM - Oil Tank for Yak 50 (Dee L. Conger)
12. 08:49 AM - Re: Oil Tank for Yak 50 (Doug Sapp)
13. 09:38 AM - Prop feathering (JOE)
14. 09:46 AM - Re: Survival Gear (fish@aviation-tech.com)
15. 10:25 AM - Re: Engine Out (Doug Sapp)
16. 10:55 AM - Re: Engine Out (Ernest Martinez)
17. 11:08 AM - Re: Survival Gear (Roger Kemp)
18. 11:56 AM - Re: Engine Out (Roger Kemp)
19. 12:19 PM - Yak 50 Wanted (Ira Saligman)
20. 12:21 PM - E-Mail address (N13472@aol.com)
21. 12:41 PM - mo-gas (Mark Jefferies YAK UK)
22. 02:34 PM - Re: Mo-gas (cpayne@joimail.com)
23. 02:44 PM - Smooth Runnings (cpayne@joimail.com)
24. 02:59 PM - Re: Smooth Runnings (A. Dennis Savarese)
25. 03:29 PM - ARS 2005 Registration clarification (Barry Hancock)
26. 04:39 PM - Re: Yak 50 Wanted ()
27. 05:31 PM - Re: Yak 50 Wanted (Ernest Martinez)
28. 05:46 PM - Paint Schemes (Ernest Martinez)
29. 05:55 PM - Re: Paint Schemes (A. Dennis Savarese)
30. 05:58 PM - Dustoff in the Desert (RPA #103) Debrief (Barry Hancock)
31. 06:15 PM - Re: Dustoff in the Desert (RPA #103) Debrief (Ernest Martinez)
32. 06:21 PM - Re: Survival Gear (Harry Hirschman)
33. 07:46 PM - Re: Dustoff in the Desert (RPA #103) Debrief (Roger Kemp)
34. 08:15 PM - Painting Tips (Ernest Martinez)
35. 08:19 PM - Re: Dustoff in the Desert (RPA #103) Debrief (cjpilot710@aol.com)
36. 08:59 PM - Fw: Prop feathering (JOE)
37. 09:31 PM - Re: Dustoff in the Desert (RPA #103) Debrief (fish@aviation-tech.com)
38. 10:45 PM - Re: a NEW subject (Steve & Sharon Heugh)
39. 11:25 PM - Dust Off (RPA #103) Debrief - CORRECTION (Barry Hancock)
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| Subject: | M14P Cowl Support Ring |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Scott Kirk" <pilot8kcab@hotmail.com>
Frank
If you have any luck tracking those down let me know, I have the same need
shortly. If there is such a thing as a volume discount, I'll purchase with
you if you track them down.
Scott
----Original Message Follows----
From: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Subject: Yak-List: M14P Cowl Support Ring
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
<yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Yakinators:
The ring of soft pads/hard foam that goes around the M14P helps support
the cowling. Turns out mine are near their useful service life so am
looking to replace them. Anyone got a slick replacement for the original
factory configuration? I'm considering a continuous ring of thick
silicone rubber to replace the stock setup which would then be covered
with Teflon tape to minimize wear. Any thoughts? Ideas?
Thanks
Frank
N9110M
YAK-52
L71
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| Subject: | Re: M14P Cowl Support Ring |
--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
In a message dated 3/7/2005 7:24:14 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
pilot8kcab@hotmail.com writes:
I think Doug Sapp or George Coy may have these.
Doug Sapp 1-509-826-4610
George Coy 1-802-868-5633
Pappy
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| Subject: | Re: M14P Cowl Support Ring |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Scott Kirk" <pilot8kcab@hotmail.com>
My Yak is up with George/Cliff Coy now, they do not have these as they were
the first ones I checked with.
----Original Message Follows----
From: cjpilot710@aol.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: M14P Cowl Support Ring
--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
In a message dated 3/7/2005 7:24:14 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
pilot8kcab@hotmail.com writes:
I think Doug Sapp or George Coy may have these.
Doug Sapp 1-509-826-4610
George Coy 1-802-868-5633
Pappy
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| Subject: | Re: a NEW subject |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ira Saligman" <isaligman@saligman.com>
One detail to bring up which may facilitate further thought for training and
actual:
In the event of an engine out, after the possibility of air start, you would
feather the prop. Although not stated in the manual, I would think the best
glide configuration includes a feathered prop configuration.
1) Does anyone have any information on the loss of glide performance w/o
feathering? If the benefit of feathering the prop is significant, it will
have an effect on your minimum airstart altitude i.e. giving up the
possibility of airstart in order to make a field.
2) Does anyone have any knowledge of any adverse mechanical effects of
feathering the prop in a simulated engine out?
Ira Saligman
o 610 225 8421
c 610 324 5500
f 215 243 7699
<mailto:isaligman@saligman.com> isaligman@saligman.com
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Terry Calloway" <tcalloway@datatechnique.com>
I've never tested the feathering technique in the air, but when on the
ground with the engine not running when adjusting prop control, the prop
doesn't move (feather) for lack of oil pressure. Does this make
feathering a moot point?
tc
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| Subject: | Re: Prop Feathering |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <DSAVARESE@ELMORE.RR.COM>
Terry,
Oil pressure does not cause the prop on the Yak or CJ to feather. Counter
weights do. Unless your prop is different, with the engine running, when
you move the prop control back the oil is pulled out of the piston assembly
in the prop hub allowing the counter weights to move the blades toward
coarse pitch or "feathering". When the prop control lever is moved forward,
oil pressure is applied to the piston assembly in the prop hub, thus moving
the blades to flat pitch.
The reason you can't physically move the counter weights on the ground or by
moving the prop control (with the engine not running as you say) is because
there is oil in the hub piston assembly that can not be displaced by
manually moving the counter weights or by moving the prop control. The oil
is "sucked" out by the prop governor when the engine is running. To prove
the point, remove the hub spinner dome and pull the piston from the hub
assembly. Drain the oil out of the piston assembly and reinstall in the
hub. Now move the counter weights and you'll see how nicely the blades move
from fine to coarse (feathering) pitch. The only thing that changed was
there is no oil in the piston assembly.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Terry Calloway" <tcalloway@datatechnique.com>
Subject: Yak-List: Prop Feathering
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Terry Calloway"
<tcalloway@datatechnique.com>
>
> I've never tested the feathering technique in the air, but when on the
> ground with the engine not running when adjusting prop control, the prop
> doesn't move (feather) for lack of oil pressure. Does this make
> feathering a moot point?
> tc
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: a NEW subject |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <DSAVARESE@ELMORE.RR.COM>
Good thought Ira. But if the engine quits, you won't have the ability to
move the prop to coarse pitch or "feather" because the oil in the hub piston
assembly must be extracted by the prop governor which is gear driven and
operates only if the engine is running.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ira Saligman" <isaligman@saligman.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: a NEW subject
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ira Saligman" <isaligman@saligman.com>
>
> One detail to bring up which may facilitate further thought for training
and
> actual:
>
> In the event of an engine out, after the possibility of air start, you
would
> feather the prop. Although not stated in the manual, I would think the
best
> glide configuration includes a feathered prop configuration.
>
> 1) Does anyone have any information on the loss of glide performance w/o
> feathering? If the benefit of feathering the prop is significant, it will
> have an effect on your minimum airstart altitude i.e. giving up the
> possibility of airstart in order to make a field.
>
> 2) Does anyone have any knowledge of any adverse mechanical effects of
> feathering the prop in a simulated engine out?
>
>
> Ira Saligman
>
> o 610 225 8421
> c 610 324 5500
> f 215 243 7699
>
> <mailto:isaligman@saligman.com> isaligman@saligman.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Prop Feathering |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Vance Cochrane <vec@ecochrane.com>
> I've never tested the feathering technique in the air, but when on the
> ground with the engine not running when adjusting prop control, the prop
> doesn't move (feather) for lack of oil pressure. Does this make
> feathering a moot point?
> tc
Not at all, if you can feather the prop you will be reducing your drag
significantly, which will improve your L/D and hence your potential glide.
vance
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| Subject: | Re: Leeward Mini Clinic - Email found in subject |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Terry" <talew@comcast.net>
Doc,
I am located in SE Florida near Ft Lauderdale.
Keep us advised on the clinic. I have a Cj-6A.
Terry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: [SPAM] - Yak-List: Leeward Mini Clinic - Email found in subject
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Roger Kemp <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>
> Terry,
> Where are you located? The Wetumpka, Al (08A) guys are working with the
> T-6 guys (CAF) out of Peachtree City, Ga. to put on a FAST clinic at
> Peachtree City or Selma (the Old Craig AFB), Al. Will know more about it
> in one week. The POC is on vacation with his family. Will be a mix of
> T-6's, P-51's, Jets, and at least 3 maybe 6 YAKs. We are shooting for
> 28,29Apr-! May 05.
> Doc Kemp
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Terry <talew@comcast.net>
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: [SPAM] - Yak-List: Leeward Mini Clinic - Email found in
> subject
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Terry" <talew@comcast.net>
>
> Ernie,
> Thanks for the offer, however, what I need now is a formal FAST clinic to
> finish off my training .
> Have fun guys . Wish I was there!
> Terry
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ernest Martinez" <erniel29@gmail.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: [SPAM] - Yak-List: Leeward Mini Clinic - Email found in
> subject
>
>
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
>>
>> Terry,
>>
>> The options are, you can take up the hospitality of Rich Langer
>> another Leeward resident who has offered up accomodations in his
>> hangar office, which is a large finished room, he has offered up cots.
>> Not exactly the Holiday Inn, but beats the mosquito netting.
>>
>>
>> Ernie
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 20:46:30 -0500, Terry <talew@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Terry" <talew@comcast.net>
>>>
>>> Ernie,
>>> I don't understand. What are the options ? I must have missed something.
>>> Terry Lewis
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Ernest Martinez" <erniel29@gmail.com>
>>> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [SPAM] - Yak-List: Leeward Mini Clinic - Email found in
>>> subject
>>>
>>> > --> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
>>> >
>>> > Well, I guess its up to those who want to attend and need
>>> > accomodations.
>>> >
>>> > All those interested.....speak up.
>>> >
>>> > Ernie
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 18:55:42 +0000, rlanger2@comcast.net
>>> > <rlanger2@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> >> --> Yak-List message posted by: rlanger2@comcast.net
>>> >>
>>> >> Ernie: I can put 5 or 6 in my 15x55 utility room that is set up for
>>> >> a
>>> >> dormitory style bedroom. It is finished off like a bedroom (
>>> >> sheetrock
>>> >> ceilings, walls , heat, a/c ,bathroom etc. ). I just have to find
>>> >> cots,
>>> >> sleeping bags, roll-a-ways or blow up matresses( I have two now). Let
>>> >> me
>>> >> know off site.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | M14P Cowl Support Ring |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Dee L. Conger" <dee@ansatainc.com>
I too am looking for these seals - please let us know what you find /
come up with.
Dee L. Conger
(858) 754-3010 Direct
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Kirk
Subject: RE: Yak-List: M14P Cowl Support Ring
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Scott Kirk" <pilot8kcab@hotmail.com>
Frank
If you have any luck tracking those down let me know, I have the same
need
shortly. If there is such a thing as a volume discount, I'll purchase
with
you if you track them down.
Scott
----Original Message Follows----
From: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Subject: Yak-List: M14P Cowl Support Ring
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
<yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Yakinators:
The ring of soft pads/hard foam that goes around the M14P helps support
the cowling. Turns out mine are near their useful service life so am
looking to replace them. Anyone got a slick replacement for the original
factory configuration? I'm considering a continuous ring of thick
silicone rubber to replace the stock setup which would then be covered
with Teflon tape to minimize wear. Any thoughts? Ideas?
Thanks
Frank
N9110M
YAK-52
L71
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| Subject: | Oil Tank for Yak 50 |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Dee L. Conger" <dee@ansatainc.com>
I'm looking for a pristine oil tank for my Yak 50 - mine has a few
dents, but is serviceable. Anyone know of where I might find one?
Dee L. Conger
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| Subject: | Oil Tank for Yak 50 |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Dee,
I recently had the same problem with a tank on my Yak 18, After not being
able to find one (the Yak 18 was built from 1942 to 1956), anyway I took my
tank, paint stripped it, then used a lacquer type filler to fill the small
dents and scratches. I then had it powder coated and it looks perfect.
Make sure you flush it with solvent and then steam clean the insides, if you
don't the powder coating guy will be highly pissed when the floor of his
oven is covered with oil that leaked out of your tank when he cooked the
finish.
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Dee L. Conger
Subject: Yak-List: Oil Tank for Yak 50
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Dee L. Conger" <dee@ansatainc.com>
I'm looking for a pristine oil tank for my Yak 50 - mine has a few
dents, but is serviceable. Anyone know of where I might find one?
Dee L. Conger
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--> Yak-List message posted by: JOE <joeh@shaw.ca>
"Feathering" on a single action counterweight prop is a misnomer.
Best possible configuration with engine out is to pull the prop control to coarse
pitch least amount of drag with engine and prop windmilling.
My Cessna T50 twin had similar props ( non feathering )
The flight manual stated; "In the event of engine failure, to minimize drag
set the prop control to coarse pitch as soon as possible before the engine oil
cools down."
If you look at the function of the governor, all it can do is supply oil under
pressure to force the blades to fine pitch balanced against the force of the counter
weights, or release the pressure to allow the counterweight action to force
the oil back through the governor for coarse pitch.
I the engine failed from a failure of the combination fuel and oil pump drive,
activation of a pre-oiler pump might save the engine.
Another good reason to have a preoil pump!
Joe
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| Subject: | Re: Survival Gear |
--> Yak-List message posted by: fish@aviation-tech.com
Mark, Doc and Others,
The reason the military uses vest (or seat kits w/ejection seats) is studies
have shown, what you leave the aircraft with, will be the only items you have
when you need them.
So basically storing it someplace in the aircraft will more then likely not
help you when you need it. Now if you choose to put extra equipment in the aircraft
in hopes it will be avail when needed, that would be a good idea.
Non military, probably the best thing we can do to ensure a rapid recovery in
an unfortunate event, is to let someone know where we are going and call them
when we arrive. Also have them notify the authorities if they have not been
contacted by a certain time.
If anyone is interested in the Army TM's on survival vest, I will provide copies
at cost(contact me off line). If you are putting togeather a kit this would
be a good place to start, as lots of reasearch has been done on this subject
by the military.
Good Luck
John Fischer
Yak-52, N123YA
Ex-Army ALSE Tech (Aviation Life Support Equipment)
Ex-Air Force Flight Engineer
>--> Yak-List message posted by: Roger Kemp <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>
>Mark,
>Who makes the vest and is it a fly fishing vest. The AF/Army has a multipocket
survival vest the could be found at base salvage sometimes. The squadron changed
out the OD for Desert Tan. It is very similar to what you are talking about.
Have had to fly with it a few times in the Viper, kinda bulky and can be uncomfortable.
>Your idea is good. Had approached the survival kit for XC 's by putting it
all in my helmet bag and hanging the bag on the emergency gear extension handle
with hopes that I could get it free quick enough if I had to step over the side.
>Can you email me a picture of your offline?
>Doc
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Cj6av8r@aol.com
>To:
>Subject: Yak-List: Survival Gear
>
>--> Yak-List message posted by: Cj6av8r@aol.com
>
>Gents,
> I've approached this from the scenario that has me under canopy and the
>airplane a smoking hole somewhere else, hopefully. What works for me is a
fly
>fishing vest with all my survival gear in it. It's mostly mesh (breathable),
>big pockets all over the place, and short like a waist coat so it doesn't
>interfere with the lap belts. My gear is basically what I had when I was flying
in
>the Navy plus a few things. Here's what I bring along... Cell phone, an old
>Garmin 90 GPS (it's tiny), pencil flares, smoke/flare, mirror, whistle,
>survival mylar blanket, and a 1/2 pt canteen. Also if I have the time I can
take my
>VHF handheld from my Nav bag and I have a spot for it, but it's too bulky to
>fly with it on me. The mesh vest allows me to tie lanyards to all the
>equipment so I won't drop it from 5000 feet. The big back pocket is perfect
for the
>blanket and any charts/paperwork you might want with you. Now I'll admit that
>for local hops I don't always wear this except for the cell phone. But
>remember you may not be able to walk out of the forrest and they may have to
see or
>hear you. Also an FYI regarding cell phones, the capability to triangulate
>your position from cell towers exists, if the rescuers have access to the
>equipment.
> This is what I have done for my personal safety so critique away, I welcome
>the input ....... I think
>
>Mark
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Hmmmmmmmmm, Last week I asked the CJ6/285 drivers out there a question
related to a engine out situation(as below), to date there has been nary a
response. Don't know? not interested? or am I the only guy left still
running a 285? :>o I really expected someone to suggest that the next thing
should be to remove the seat cushion from out of our butt, (and no that's
not the correct answer). Anybody want to venture a guess?
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Doug Sapp
Subject: Yak-List: Engine Out
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Gents,
This line of talk brings up another question: Your are cruising along at
say 10,000 feet and your mighty 285 hp steed simply quits, you cannot keep
the engine running with the 20 plus year old wobble pump. You have already
tried everything on the emergency check list to get it lit off again and
nothing has worked, you have just consigned yourself to the fact that a dead
stick landing is now a fact of life. On the bright side there are lots of
places to land, so that's not a major problem at this point in time because
you have lots of altitude and landing options. What should be the next thing
you do as quickly as possible? and why.
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tom Johnson
Subject: Yak-List: Engine Out (was "a NEW topic")
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Tom Johnson" <tjohnson@cannonaviation.com>
Something to think about during this engine out turn to emergency landing.
Ever notice the Space Shuttle sprouts its wheels at the very last second
almost instantly?
If you really had your cranium working in your engine-out-turn.
I suppose you could put the gear handle in neutral.
At the very last second, it you are lucky enough to be lined up perfectly on
a road.. .
BANG goes the wheels.
Often insurance will pay to get you back to an airport if you land
undamaged.
And exactly how'd this engine quit.
Chances of a double magneto or coil failure are WAY slim.
Suppose it did happen and you pressed the starter button. . . would the
shower of sparks get you home?
Maybe, at best. The spark timing is all wrong on the starter, the extra
air. . suppose it might be worth a try tho.
It happened to a Mustang years ago and it worked. . .they worried about the
starter drive all the way back to the airport.. .
Fuel pump failure?
How long can a person run on the "wobble pump".
Carb failure?
How long could we run on the primer?
Ever been flying over terrain where a forced landing is NOT an option?
I have, living in the mountainous desert. Occasionally unavoidable.
Got any emergency supplies? . .. . me neither.
I've been working on a pack of emergency supplies that would fit in with the
parachute., but haven't gotten very far.
Tj
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
I would say drop the gear or close the air valve so you arent leaking
any out, for gear deployment and braking. Again, this is based on the
fact that I have lots of altitude, plenty of landing options and that
the terrain permits a gear down landing.
Otherwise just close the valve to keep the air. And I guess it
would'nt hurt to close the fuel shutoff, and turn off the mags if I am
convinced that hte engine is genueinly dead.
Ernie
On Mon, 7 Mar 2005 10:25:23 -0800, Doug Sapp <rvfltd@televar.com> wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
>
> Hmmmmmmmmm, Last week I asked the CJ6/285 drivers out there a question
> related to a engine out situation(as below), to date there has been nary a
> response. Don't know? not interested? or am I the only guy left still
> running a 285? :>o I really expected someone to suggest that the next thing
> should be to remove the seat cushion from out of our butt, (and no that's
> not the correct answer). Anybody want to venture a guess?
>
> Always Yakin,
> Doug Sapp
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Doug Sapp
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Engine Out
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
>
> Gents,
> This line of talk brings up another question: Your are cruising along at
> say 10,000 feet and your mighty 285 hp steed simply quits, you cannot keep
> the engine running with the 20 plus year old wobble pump. You have already
> tried everything on the emergency check list to get it lit off again and
> nothing has worked, you have just consigned yourself to the fact that a dead
> stick landing is now a fact of life. On the bright side there are lots of
> places to land, so that's not a major problem at this point in time because
> you have lots of altitude and landing options. What should be the next thing
> you do as quickly as possible? and why.
>
> Always Yakin,
> Doug Sapp
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tom Johnson
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Engine Out (was "a NEW topic")
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Tom Johnson" <tjohnson@cannonaviation.com>
>
> Something to think about during this engine out turn to emergency landing.
>
> Ever notice the Space Shuttle sprouts its wheels at the very last second
> almost instantly?
> If you really had your cranium working in your engine-out-turn.
> I suppose you could put the gear handle in neutral.
>
> At the very last second, it you are lucky enough to be lined up perfectly on
> a road.. .
> BANG goes the wheels.
> Often insurance will pay to get you back to an airport if you land
> undamaged.
>
> And exactly how'd this engine quit.
>
> Chances of a double magneto or coil failure are WAY slim.
> Suppose it did happen and you pressed the starter button. . . would the
> shower of sparks get you home?
> Maybe, at best. The spark timing is all wrong on the starter, the extra
> air. . suppose it might be worth a try tho.
> It happened to a Mustang years ago and it worked. . .they worried about the
> starter drive all the way back to the airport.. .
>
> Fuel pump failure?
> How long can a person run on the "wobble pump".
>
> Carb failure?
> How long could we run on the primer?
>
> Ever been flying over terrain where a forced landing is NOT an option?
> I have, living in the mountainous desert. Occasionally unavoidable.
> Got any emergency supplies? . .. . me neither.
> I've been working on a pack of emergency supplies that would fit in with the
> parachute., but haven't gotten very far.
>
> Tj
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Survival Gear |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Roger Kemp <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Fish,
Since I have not tackled the detachable seat pack yet for surviaval gearyet. I
kinda doubt that my live support guys would like it a hole hell of a lot if they
suddenly came up short on a seat survival pack from my trusty (actually someone
else's)ACE's II. I'm sure as hell am not gonna fly that jet after the survuval
pack has been 5 fingered!
Seriously, how big are the pouches/ pockets on the vest you are talking about?
What are your contact numbers? Got any photos (jpg.'s for the geeks in the crowd)?
The survival vest is by far the best way to travel. Having a pack hanging
on a risor cord trailing behind you as you depart the aircraft can lead to many
things, all not conducive to making a safe descent back to terra firma at a
nice lesurely 14 mph.
Doc
-----Original Message-----
From: fish@aviation-tech.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Survival Gear
--> Yak-List message posted by: fish@aviation-tech.com
Mark, Doc and Others,
The reason the military uses vest (or seat kits w/ejection seats) is studies
have shown, what you leave the aircraft with, will be the only items you have
when you need them.
So basically storing it someplace in the aircraft will more then likely not
help you when you need it. Now if you choose to put extra equipment in the aircraft
in hopes it will be avail when needed, that would be a good idea.
Non military, probably the best thing we can do to ensure a rapid recovery in
an unfortunate event, is to let someone know where we are going and call them
when we arrive. Also have them notify the authorities if they have not been
contacted by a certain time.
If anyone is interested in the Army TM's on survival vest, I will provide copies
at cost(contact me off line). If you are putting togeather a kit this would
be a good place to start, as lots of reasearch has been done on this subject
by the military.
Good Luck
John Fischer
Yak-52, N123YA
Ex-Army ALSE Tech (Aviation Life Support Equipment)
Ex-Air Force Flight Engineer
>--> Yak-List message posted by: Roger Kemp <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>
>Mark,
>Who makes the vest and is it a fly fishing vest. The AF/Army has a multipocket
survival vest the could be found at base salvage sometimes. The squadron changed
out the OD for Desert Tan. It is very similar to what you are talking about.
Have had to fly with it a few times in the Viper, kinda bulky and can be uncomfortable.
>Your idea is good. Had approached the survival kit for XC 's by putting it
all in my helmet bag and hanging the bag on the emergency gear extension handle
with hopes that I could get it free quick enough if I had to step over the side.
>Can you email me a picture of your offline?
>Doc
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Cj6av8r@aol.com
>To:
>Subject: Yak-List: Survival Gear
>
>--> Yak-List message posted by: Cj6av8r@aol.com
>
>Gents,
> I've approached this from the scenario that has me under canopy and the
>airplane a smoking hole somewhere else, hopefully. What works for me is a
fly
>fishing vest with all my survival gear in it. It's mostly mesh (breathable),
>big pockets all over the place, and short like a waist coat so it doesn't
>interfere with the lap belts. My gear is basically what I had when I was flying
in
>the Navy plus a few things. Here's what I bring along... Cell phone, an old
>Garmin 90 GPS (it's tiny), pencil flares, smoke/flare, mirror, whistle,
>survival mylar blanket, and a 1/2 pt canteen. Also if I have the time I can
take my
>VHF handheld from my Nav bag and I have a spot for it, but it's too bulky to
>fly with it on me. The mesh vest allows me to tie lanyards to all the
>equipment so I won't drop it from 5000 feet. The big back pocket is perfect
for the
>blanket and any charts/paperwork you might want with you. Now I'll admit that
>for local hops I don't always wear this except for the cell phone. But
>remember you may not be able to walk out of the forrest and they may have to
see or
>hear you. Also an FYI regarding cell phones, the capability to triangulate
>your position from cell towers exists, if the rescuers have access to the
>equipment.
> This is what I have done for my personal safety so critique away, I welcome
>the input ....... I think
>
>Mark
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Roger Kemp <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Doug,
Fly the damned airplane first!
The Bold face in hand book says for engine out landing (YAKs):
Trim for max glide (160kmp)
Mags, ignition, battery off ...I would leave the Bat switch on for the transponder
and radio until I real near terra firma and I know that it is going to
be a less than smooth landing. If it is looking like it is going to be a really
unpleasant landing, I'll make that decision about 3000 ft and step over the
side. After all that is what I wear that parachute for I think. Or was it to
impress the ladies at the local aerodrome? May as well get some use out of that
$1300 in this unpleasant situation.
retract gear (if extended)
fuel valve cut off (pull rearward) ...not the air valve. If I deplete the air,
then that is another EP checklist and I will put the gear selector in neurtral..
count 10 potatoes and open the alternate gear extention knob when I had the
field made.
canopy open
If off field landing, then leave the gear up. The glide ratio of the YAK-52 gear
up is 7:1 vs. 5:1 with the gear and flaps down.
If I have a true airport made, will drop the gear and flaps when I know I have
the airport made.
By the way since we started with 10,000 ft and terra firma in central Alabama is
about 300 feet, I have roughly 9-10 miles to sort this out.
I will squawk 7700 and talk to Approch. Yes with a true engine out and it is real
quite and you are feeling that tightness in throat and the seat cushion is
feeling like a week old woody: talking to approach can have a bit of a calming
effect in this real emergeny. If they start getting on your nerves... ask them
to shut the F up and let you manage your emergency. Also if the batteries in
your trusty Garmin decide to crap out about now, they can give you a snap to
the nearest piece of paved terra firma. Or if you did not bring your third redundant
life support system with you that day and are unable to do a silk - let
- down, they can send help! It is a lot easier for them to find you if they followed
you down, than go " we had a report of a transponder going off. Can you
over fly that area to see if you can hear it and give us a fix on it?"
Been there for both: The windmill aint turning no more and also the airborne SAR.
The windmill not making thrusties no more is by far the most sphincter tighting.
Damn near never got the seat outa may rear!
Doc
-----Original Message-----
From: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Engine Out
--> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
I would say drop the gear or close the air valve so you arent leaking
any out, for gear deployment and braking. Again, this is based on the
fact that I have lots of altitude, plenty of landing options and that
the terrain permits a gear down landing.
Otherwise just close the valve to keep the air. And I guess it
would'nt hurt to close the fuel shutoff, and turn off the mags if I am
convinced that hte engine is genueinly dead.
Ernie
On Mon, 7 Mar 2005 10:25:23 -0800, Doug Sapp <rvfltd@televar.com> wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
>
> Hmmmmmmmmm, Last week I asked the CJ6/285 drivers out there a question
> related to a engine out situation(as below), to date there has been nary a
> response. Don't know? not interested? or am I the only guy left still
> running a 285? :>o I really expected someone to suggest that the next thing
> should be to remove the seat cushion from out of our butt, (and no that's
> not the correct answer). Anybody want to venture a guess?
>
> Always Yakin,
> Doug Sapp
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Doug Sapp
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Engine Out
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
>
> Gents,
> This line of talk brings up another question: Your are cruising along at
> say 10,000 feet and your mighty 285 hp steed simply quits, you cannot keep
> the engine running with the 20 plus year old wobble pump. You have already
> tried everything on the emergency check list to get it lit off again and
> nothing has worked, you have just consigned yourself to the fact that a dead
> stick landing is now a fact of life. On the bright side there are lots of
> places to land, so that's not a major problem at this point in time because
> you have lots of altitude and landing options. What should be the next thing
> you do as quickly as possible? and why.
>
> Always Yakin,
> Doug Sapp
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tom Johnson
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Engine Out (was "a NEW topic")
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Tom Johnson" <tjohnson@cannonaviation.com>
>
> Something to think about during this engine out turn to emergency landing.
>
> Ever notice the Space Shuttle sprouts its wheels at the very last second
> almost instantly?
> If you really had your cranium working in your engine-out-turn.
> I suppose you could put the gear handle in neutral.
>
> At the very last second, it you are lucky enough to be lined up perfectly on
> a road.. .
> BANG goes the wheels.
> Often insurance will pay to get you back to an airport if you land
> undamaged.
>
> And exactly how'd this engine quit.
>
> Chances of a double magneto or coil failure are WAY slim.
> Suppose it did happen and you pressed the starter button. . . would the
> shower of sparks get you home?
> Maybe, at best. The spark timing is all wrong on the starter, the extra
> air. . suppose it might be worth a try tho.
> It happened to a Mustang years ago and it worked. . .they worried about the
> starter drive all the way back to the airport.. .
>
> Fuel pump failure?
> How long can a person run on the "wobble pump".
>
> Carb failure?
> How long could we run on the primer?
>
> Ever been flying over terrain where a forced landing is NOT an option?
> I have, living in the mountainous desert. Occasionally unavoidable.
> Got any emergency supplies? . .. . me neither.
> I've been working on a pack of emergency supplies that would fit in with the
> parachute., but haven't gotten very far.
>
> Tj
>
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ira Saligman" <isaligman@saligman.com>
I am interested in a YAK 50. I have called a few of the advertised ones and
was wondering if anyone has or knows of one which is available. I would
entertain buying into a Partnership under the right conditions. I am in the
Phila area.
Let me know on or off list.
Ira
Ira Saligman
o 610 225 8421
c 610 324 5500
f 215 243 7699
<mailto:isaligman@saligman.com> isaligman@saligman.com
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--> Yak-List message posted by: N13472@aol.com
Brian Lloyd Would you please contact me off list. I have lost your E-mail
address.
Tom Elliott
CJ-6 N63727
Sandy Valley NV
3L2
702-723-1223
_N13427@AOL.COM_ (mailto:N13427@AOL.COM)
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YAK USA-list <yak-list@matronics.com>
--> Yak-List message posted by: Mark Jefferies YAK UK <mark.j@yakuk.com>
maybe this is a warning.
http://www.yakuk.com/flap_valve.asp
I'm frequently being asked by people that want to cut corners and costs about using
car fuel.
I guess the reaction was a little like the AU 100ll fuel contamination a few years
ago.Anyway take care......
Best regards, Mark
www.yakuk.com
+44 (0)1767 651156 office +44 (0)7785 538 317 mobile
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "cpayne@joimail.com" <cpayne@joimail.com>
Mark,
I use Mo-gas but cut it 50% with 100LL. Adding a product
long term storage. When I lived up the Frozen North, I
filled up with 100LL AND added Sta-Bil for the winter
months. After a run in to get it through the system of
course. I recommend use of exhaust plugs when stored in
unheated hangers to keep the moisture out...a better way was
to have heat that would maintain about 5 degress C in the
hanger. Yet a better way is to move to Florida :)
Craig
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "cpayne@joimail.com" <cpayne@joimail.com>
About 17 hours ago Hobbs time, I converted my M-14P to the
automotive plug/racing wire conversion that Dennis offers.
Previously, I spent a considerable amount of time trying to
be as Exact as possible in my mag timing. With the digital
Horizon tach, the mag drop difference ran about 10-15 RPM. I
couldn't seem to get it any closer because the readings
"jumped" around.
Now, with the conversion, the "jumpiness" has mellowed out
and RPM is very consistent, even on a single mag at minimum
rpm. Without re-timing the mags, the drop difference is now
within 5 RPM. These even readings now allow me to tweak the
max rpm to 2900 +/- 8 RPM.
Believe or not, I have also noted that carb adjustments also
have an effect upon how smooth the engine runs throughout
the RPM range. Rich vs Lean of course but rememember that
the AK-14 carb has several settings for differing power
settings and altitude compensation.
Craig Payne
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| Subject: | Re: Smooth Runnings |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <DSAVARESE@ELMORE.RR.COM>
Thanks for the plug Craig. Several customers report very smooth running as
well.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: <cpayne@joimail.com>
Subject: Yak-List: Smooth Runnings
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "cpayne@joimail.com" <cpayne@joimail.com>
>
> About 17 hours ago Hobbs time, I converted my M-14P to the
> automotive plug/racing wire conversion that Dennis offers.
> Previously, I spent a considerable amount of time trying to
> be as Exact as possible in my mag timing. With the digital
> Horizon tach, the mag drop difference ran about 10-15 RPM. I
> couldn't seem to get it any closer because the readings
> "jumped" around.
>
> Now, with the conversion, the "jumpiness" has mellowed out
> and RPM is very consistent, even on a single mag at minimum
> rpm. Without re-timing the mags, the drop difference is now
> within 5 RPM. These even readings now allow me to tweak the
> max rpm to 2900 +/- 8 RPM.
>
> Believe or not, I have also noted that carb adjustments also
> have an effect upon how smooth the engine runs throughout
> the RPM range. Rich vs Lean of course but rememember that
> the AK-14 carb has several settings for differing power
> settings and altitude compensation.
>
> Craig Payne
>
>
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| Subject: | ARS 2005 Registration clarification |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <barry@flyredstar.org>
Gang,
Registrations are already rolling in...thanks! There have been a few
items of confusion.
One, I needed to be clearer on the 10% advanced registration discount.
The discount is *already* figured in to the price you see when you go
to the registration page. In other words, prices will go up by 10% on
April 15. The reason is simple. We have a bunch of pre-event
production costs and need funds. So, early registration is a win-win.
Second, you cannot currently access the ARS site from the RPA site, we
are working on this and should have it solved shortly.
Thanks for your patience while we iron out the kinks...
Cheers,
Barry
Barry Hancock
Event Director
All Red Star
(949) 300-5510
www.allredstar.com
"A Unique Aviation Experience"
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| Subject: | Re: Yak 50 Wanted |
--> Yak-List message posted by: <johnhilterman1@cox.net>
Ira,
Take a look at the photos of my Yak-50. I might be interested in selling
her......looking to get a Pitts S-2C.....my boys are getting of age and I
need to start them flying. Let me know if you want further details.
Hitman
>
> From: "Ira Saligman" <isaligman@saligman.com>
> Date: 2005/03/07 Mon PM 03:18:43 EST
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: Yak 50 Wanted
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ira Saligman"
<isaligman@saligman.com>
>
> I am interested in a YAK 50. I have called a few of the advertised ones
and
> was wondering if anyone has or knows of one which is available. I
would
> entertain buying into a Partnership under the right conditions. I am in
the
> Phila area.
>
> Let me know on or off list.
>
>
> Ira
>
>
> Ira Saligman
>
> o 610 225 8421
> c 610 324 5500
> f 215 243 7699
>
> <mailto:isaligman@saligman.com> isaligman@saligman.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Yak 50 Wanted |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
John,
My neigbor is selling an S2C for about $90k, it has about 200 hours since new.
Ernie
On Mon, 7 Mar 2005 19:37:24 -0500, johnhilterman1@cox.net
<johnhilterman1@cox.net> wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: <johnhilterman1@cox.net>
>
> Ira,
>
> Take a look at the photos of my Yak-50. I might be interested in selling
> her......looking to get a Pitts S-2C.....my boys are getting of age and I
> need to start them flying. Let me know if you want further details.
>
> Hitman
> >
> > From: "Ira Saligman" <isaligman@saligman.com>
> > Date: 2005/03/07 Mon PM 03:18:43 EST
> > To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Yak-List: Yak 50 Wanted
> >
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ira Saligman"
> <isaligman@saligman.com>
> >
> > I am interested in a YAK 50. I have called a few of the advertised ones
> and
> > was wondering if anyone has or knows of one which is available. I
> would
> > entertain buying into a Partnership under the right conditions. I am in
> the
> > Phila area.
> >
> > Let me know on or off list.
> >
> >
> > Ira
> >
> >
> > Ira Saligman
> >
> > o 610 225 8421
> > c 610 324 5500
> > f 215 243 7699
> >
> > <mailto:isaligman@saligman.com> isaligman@saligman.com
> >
> >
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
I'm painting my CJ and was wondering if there is a good source on the
net for paint schemes. I've already decided to go with the traditional
Green top/Blue belly, but want to do something a little different.
Ernie
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <DSAVARESE@ELMORE.RR.COM>
Ernie,
I'll send you one off-list I think will be a good paint scheme for the CJ.
Trash it if you don't like it.
Dennis
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Subject: Yak-List: Paint Schemes
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
>
> I'm painting my CJ and was wondering if there is a good source on the
> net for paint schemes. I've already decided to go with the traditional
> Green top/Blue belly, but want to do something a little different.
>
> Ernie
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
Reprinted with permission:
> Barry and I just pulled off a whopper out in Palm Springs. 4 years
> ago over some mexican food we mentioned putting on a simulated air war
> from experiences from the dark side (AF SOF)...finally executed it
> this weekend in the calif desert...
>
> We had intell briefs, brevity codes, threat charts, Batman and Blitz
> programing the sh_t out of their 295 to get a leg up on map
> naving...and still getting lost (despite having the best drawn charts,
> too!)...tankers you had to refuel from using actual AF lingo and SOP,
> airborne commander Barry with no active duty experience directing
> forces from his ABCCC airborne command post like he was a full bird
> colonel and this was old hat, the net (radios) hot with 6 or seven
> other missions rolling real time, recon pictures from a morning recon
> aircraft (and damn if Barry didn't have some pro-photographers onboard
> with long range digital cameras worth more than a paddle prop) for the
> intell brief, time on target requirements and, of course, red force in
> the form of the Yak 50, and a Nellis instructor in a Extra 300. It
> was one of the best times I've had in this gig and its only up from
> here (we only demonstrated about 30-40% of the potential concepts for
> this event). And it hit home such concepts we teach as: leading,
> communication discipline, tac formation, fighting wing and basic
> parade formation skills.
>
> You have to think, why would anyone want to go to an airshow to do a
> canned routine when you can roll inverted over an unaware Buzzard
> (one of my old AA chief pilots and former F-86 driver) and his poor
> wingman who are coming off a runway frag mission (secondary target),
> and slice back to his 6, filling 'em both full of holes and calling
> "Big Eye, this is Firecan 69, scratch Tiger Flight, they're in the
> silk at bullseye 155 at 15; were gonna need to scramble Zebra ...oh,
> and tell him to bring a mop." (add libbing that call)... Folks
> performed superbly, very disciplined RPAers...we couldn't have asked
> for a better bunch to execute such an experiment...
>
> As always, it was conducted with some pretty stiff safety measures, to
> include no BFM beyond 180 defensive turns (thats all you need in this
> game). Its an event that tasks your brain as much or more than your
> ability to push and pull the stick...With military experienced back
> seaters for the low altitude ingressing aircraft, I would certainly
> say this operation had less risk than some of the mass formation
> trainers that I've seen. The feedback from participants was
> overwhelmingly positive, one (a former F-4 pilot from the Vietnam
> days) said it was the best time he's had in decades and the comm took
> him right back to Vietnam (he was drafted for a WSO [backseat] seat in
> an ingress mission!)...and no BFM... Some late nights putting things
> together and some technology glitches, but I'm glad Barry pushed to
> make this event happen after years of sitting on the shelf (and pushed
> my Miami-based carcass! :) - he did a great job.
What can I say, after 4 years of dreaming/talking about it, I was
getting impatient! :) Well, I don't know about a great job, either.
All I did was push to make it happen, Drew executed the whole thing.
Frankly, the guys who came to participate are the heros...we gave them
A LOT to bite off, and they consumed the whole thing without a bit of
indigestion. I, frankly, was a bit anxious about how it would be
received. It's that whole first impression thing - the future of this
event was riding on how this came off. They could not have done it
better under the circumstances (laptops going down to scratch the PP
brief, a shorter than expected training day, etc.) and the entire
exercise was a total blast!
I have never had a more fun day of flying, and I was merely the tanker
(Exxon One One) and the ABCCC (Big Eye).
I'll be sending along excerpts from the other guys "highlights" of the
event....here's mine:
After morphing from Exxon 11 to "Big Eye" (ABCCC) we raced south (100
knots of overtake in the Lancair is quite handy in this role!) to the
battlefield area. After filling the net with simulated radio calls
("Talon 49, Talon 49, Rotting Fruit moving north bound along Alpha
One...", "Puma flight is Cancer", etc.), having to go to "Red 2" - the
back up freq. for Red Air - because a spy had discovered our primary
freq and was trying to run ECM (first liar doesn't stand a chance!),
and receiving an updated TOT from Tiger flight, we arrive at the
primary target a few minutes before Tiger flight starts their run from
the IP. We spot them about a half mile from the primary, and also spot
Red Two....Tiger flight wasn't so lucky. So as they come off the
primary target (the Dalmations FOB), they start drooling over the
targets of opportunity rich environment, including the Dalmation's CCC.
"Tiger two is hit, but I'm attacking the target anyway!" comes the
call....nothing like a little target fixation to ruin your day. As
Tiger Two comes off the secondary, with the funniest radio call of the
day ("Tiger Two's off left, I got the one with the big tits!"), he gets
"RRat tat tat tat tat.....rat tat tat tat tat" in his headset. "RRat
tat tat tat tat.....rat tat tat tat tat"....Red 2 is just parked at his
six, filling him full of holes! He has no idea he's even there and is
not making any defensive maneuvers. Where's Tiger One??? Ah, that
line of parked helicopters was just too much.....Buzzard, you never,
ever leave your wingman!.... "RRat tat tat tat tat.....rat tat tat tat
tat", still no reaction from Tiger Two. By this point shredding Tiger
Two isn't any fun anymore, so Red Two passes off the right side and
waives...with Tiger two just continuing his left turn...looking for
Tiger One...whoops! Guess what, Tiger One doesn't see Red Two
either....damn it's good to be king....Red Two is almost half an ace
and never broke a sweat!
The only bummer of the whole day is my helmet camera malfunctioned and
we didn't get any of it on tape....but that just means we'll have to do
it again next year!
You know it went well when we debrief it at the bar for two hours of
almost as much fun as the actual exercise itself, and we're all still
talking about it the next day! Tiger One (Buzzard and Cowboy), Tiger
Two (Condor and Mad Dog), Cheetah One (Blitz and Maverick), Cheetah Two
(Batman), Firecan 23/Red Two (Knife and Spanky), Firecan 69/Red One
(Burner), and Exxon One One (D-ring/Bdog). This is a weekend I know I
will never, ever forget! The first ever known air war sim in civilian
aviation, and y'all made it absolutely great!
Batman and Blitz, when you figure out how to program that 295, you let
me know! LOL! Thank goodness for planning maps, eh? :)-
Big Eye, out.
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| Subject: | Re: Dustoff in the Desert (RPA #103) Debrief |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
Even though I only understood about 50% of that, it sounded like fun.
We gotta try this at Waycross next year, if there is anyone who can
translate all this into english for me :)
Ernie
On Mon, 7 Mar 2005 17:57:31 -0800, Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net> wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
>
> Reprinted with permission:
>
> > Barry and I just pulled off a whopper out in Palm Springs. 4 years
> > ago over some mexican food we mentioned putting on a simulated air war
> > from experiences from the dark side (AF SOF)...finally executed it
> > this weekend in the calif desert...
> >
> > We had intell briefs, brevity codes, threat charts, Batman and Blitz
> > programing the sh_t out of their 295 to get a leg up on map
> > naving...and still getting lost (despite having the best drawn charts,
> > too!)...tankers you had to refuel from using actual AF lingo and SOP,
> > airborne commander Barry with no active duty experience directing
> > forces from his ABCCC airborne command post like he was a full bird
> > colonel and this was old hat, the net (radios) hot with 6 or seven
> > other missions rolling real time, recon pictures from a morning recon
> > aircraft (and damn if Barry didn't have some pro-photographers onboard
> > with long range digital cameras worth more than a paddle prop) for the
> > intell brief, time on target requirements and, of course, red force in
> > the form of the Yak 50, and a Nellis instructor in a Extra 300. It
> > was one of the best times I've had in this gig and its only up from
> > here (we only demonstrated about 30-40% of the potential concepts for
> > this event). And it hit home such concepts we teach as: leading,
> > communication discipline, tac formation, fighting wing and basic
> > parade formation skills.
> >
> > You have to think, why would anyone want to go to an airshow to do a
> > canned routine when you can roll inverted over an unaware Buzzard
> > (one of my old AA chief pilots and former F-86 driver) and his poor
> > wingman who are coming off a runway frag mission (secondary target),
> > and slice back to his 6, filling 'em both full of holes and calling
> > "Big Eye, this is Firecan 69, scratch Tiger Flight, they're in the
> > silk at bullseye 155 at 15; were gonna need to scramble Zebra ...oh,
> > and tell him to bring a mop." (add libbing that call)... Folks
> > performed superbly, very disciplined RPAers...we couldn't have asked
> > for a better bunch to execute such an experiment...
> >
> > As always, it was conducted with some pretty stiff safety measures, to
> > include no BFM beyond 180 defensive turns (thats all you need in this
> > game). Its an event that tasks your brain as much or more than your
> > ability to push and pull the stick...With military experienced back
> > seaters for the low altitude ingressing aircraft, I would certainly
> > say this operation had less risk than some of the mass formation
> > trainers that I've seen. The feedback from participants was
> > overwhelmingly positive, one (a former F-4 pilot from the Vietnam
> > days) said it was the best time he's had in decades and the comm took
> > him right back to Vietnam (he was drafted for a WSO [backseat] seat in
> > an ingress mission!)...and no BFM... Some late nights putting things
> > together and some technology glitches, but I'm glad Barry pushed to
> > make this event happen after years of sitting on the shelf (and pushed
> > my Miami-based carcass! :) - he did a great job.
>
> What can I say, after 4 years of dreaming/talking about it, I was
> getting impatient! :) Well, I don't know about a great job, either.
> All I did was push to make it happen, Drew executed the whole thing.
> Frankly, the guys who came to participate are the heros...we gave them
> A LOT to bite off, and they consumed the whole thing without a bit of
> indigestion. I, frankly, was a bit anxious about how it would be
> received. It's that whole first impression thing - the future of this
> event was riding on how this came off. They could not have done it
> better under the circumstances (laptops going down to scratch the PP
> brief, a shorter than expected training day, etc.) and the entire
> exercise was a total blast!
>
> I have never had a more fun day of flying, and I was merely the tanker
> (Exxon One One) and the ABCCC (Big Eye).
>
> I'll be sending along excerpts from the other guys "highlights" of the
> event....here's mine:
>
> After morphing from Exxon 11 to "Big Eye" (ABCCC) we raced south (100
> knots of overtake in the Lancair is quite handy in this role!) to the
> battlefield area. After filling the net with simulated radio calls
> ("Talon 49, Talon 49, Rotting Fruit moving north bound along Alpha
> One...", "Puma flight is Cancer", etc.), having to go to "Red 2" - the
> back up freq. for Red Air - because a spy had discovered our primary
> freq and was trying to run ECM (first liar doesn't stand a chance!),
> and receiving an updated TOT from Tiger flight, we arrive at the
> primary target a few minutes before Tiger flight starts their run from
> the IP. We spot them about a half mile from the primary, and also spot
> Red Two....Tiger flight wasn't so lucky. So as they come off the
> primary target (the Dalmations FOB), they start drooling over the
> targets of opportunity rich environment, including the Dalmation's CCC.
> "Tiger two is hit, but I'm attacking the target anyway!" comes the
> call....nothing like a little target fixation to ruin your day. As
> Tiger Two comes off the secondary, with the funniest radio call of the
> day ("Tiger Two's off left, I got the one with the big tits!"), he gets
> "RRat tat tat tat tat.....rat tat tat tat tat" in his headset. "RRat
> tat tat tat tat.....rat tat tat tat tat"....Red 2 is just parked at his
> six, filling him full of holes! He has no idea he's even there and is
> not making any defensive maneuvers. Where's Tiger One??? Ah, that
> line of parked helicopters was just too much.....Buzzard, you never,
> ever leave your wingman!.... "RRat tat tat tat tat.....rat tat tat tat
> tat", still no reaction from Tiger Two. By this point shredding Tiger
> Two isn't any fun anymore, so Red Two passes off the right side and
> waives...with Tiger two just continuing his left turn...looking for
> Tiger One...whoops! Guess what, Tiger One doesn't see Red Two
> either....damn it's good to be king....Red Two is almost half an ace
> and never broke a sweat!
>
> The only bummer of the whole day is my helmet camera malfunctioned and
> we didn't get any of it on tape....but that just means we'll have to do
> it again next year!
>
> You know it went well when we debrief it at the bar for two hours of
> almost as much fun as the actual exercise itself, and we're all still
> talking about it the next day! Tiger One (Buzzard and Cowboy), Tiger
> Two (Condor and Mad Dog), Cheetah One (Blitz and Maverick), Cheetah Two
> (Batman), Firecan 23/Red Two (Knife and Spanky), Firecan 69/Red One
> (Burner), and Exxon One One (D-ring/Bdog). This is a weekend I know I
> will never, ever forget! The first ever known air war sim in civilian
> aviation, and y'all made it absolutely great!
>
> Batman and Blitz, when you figure out how to program that 295, you let
> me know! LOL! Thank goodness for planning maps, eh? :)-
>
> Big Eye, out.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Survival Gear |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Harry Hirschman <hairball192@yahoo.com>
John:
I'm very interested to see what kind of vest you have.
I'm former Navy and quite a safety geek. The Navy
vest is very big, but I'm used to it. That said, I'd
like to see about setting myself up with something
more streamlined.
Harry
--- fish@aviation-tech.com wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by:
> fish@aviation-tech.com
>
> Mark, Doc and Others,
>
> The reason the military uses vest (or seat kits
> w/ejection seats) is studies
> have shown, what you leave the aircraft with, will
> be the only items you have
> when you need them.
>
> So basically storing it someplace in the aircraft
> will more then likely not
> help you when you need it. Now if you choose to put
> extra equipment in the aircraft
> in hopes it will be avail when needed, that would be
> a good idea.
>
> Non military, probably the best thing we can do to
> ensure a rapid recovery in
> an unfortunate event, is to let someone know where
> we are going and call them
> when we arrive. Also have them notify the
> authorities if they have not been
> contacted by a certain time.
>
> If anyone is interested in the Army TM's on survival
> vest, I will provide copies
> at cost(contact me off line). If you are putting
> togeather a kit this would
> be a good place to start, as lots of reasearch has
> been done on this subject
> by the military.
>
> Good Luck
> John Fischer
> Yak-52, N123YA
> Ex-Army ALSE Tech (Aviation Life Support Equipment)
> Ex-Air Force Flight Engineer
>
>
> >--> Yak-List message posted by: Roger Kemp
> <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> >
> >Mark,
> >Who makes the vest and is it a fly fishing vest.
> The AF/Army has a multipocket
> survival vest the could be found at base salvage
> sometimes. The squadron changed
> out the OD for Desert Tan. It is very similar to
> what you are talking about.
> Have had to fly with it a few times in the Viper,
> kinda bulky and can be uncomfortable.
>
> >Your idea is good. Had approached the survival kit
> for XC 's by putting it
> all in my helmet bag and hanging the bag on the
> emergency gear extension handle
> with hopes that I could get it free quick enough if
> I had to step over the side.
>
> >Can you email me a picture of your offline?
> >Doc
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Cj6av8r@aol.com
> >To:
> >Subject: Yak-List: Survival Gear
> >
> >--> Yak-List message posted by: Cj6av8r@aol.com
> >
> >Gents,
> > I've approached this from the scenario that has
> me under canopy and the
>
> >airplane a smoking hole somewhere else, hopefully.
> What works for me is a
> fly
> >fishing vest with all my survival gear in it. It's
> mostly mesh (breathable),
>
> >big pockets all over the place, and short like a
> waist coat so it doesn't
>
> >interfere with the lap belts. My gear is basically
> what I had when I was flying
> in
> >the Navy plus a few things. Here's what I bring
> along... Cell phone, an old
>
> >Garmin 90 GPS (it's tiny), pencil flares,
> smoke/flare, mirror, whistle,
> >survival mylar blanket, and a 1/2 pt canteen. Also
> if I have the time I can
> take my
> >VHF handheld from my Nav bag and I have a spot for
> it, but it's too bulky to
>
> >fly with it on me. The mesh vest allows me to tie
> lanyards to all the
> >equipment so I won't drop it from 5000 feet. The
> big back pocket is perfect
> for the
> >blanket and any charts/paperwork you might want
> with you. Now I'll admit that
>
> >for local hops I don't always wear this except for
> the cell phone. But
> >remember you may not be able to walk out of the
> forrest and they may have to
> see or
> >hear you. Also an FYI regarding cell phones, the
> capability to triangulate
>
> >your position from cell towers exists, if the
> rescuers have access to the
>
> >equipment.
> > This is what I have done for my personal safety
> so critique away, I welcome
>
> >the input ....... I think
> >
> >Mark
> >
> >
>
>
>
> Contributions
> any other
> Forums.
>
> http://www.matronics.com/subscription
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>
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>
>
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Roger Kemp <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Earnie,
Understood it all. Just to bad I'm here in Al. and could not play. Do know that
when doing DACT with RV-4's, the ole YAK-52 can hack it in a 2 v 1 and walk away
the winner. Didn't believe it until we did it. The YAk, she will turn! All
it takes is the element of suprise, pop up from the low level and high light
them as they are decending looking for me on ingress to bullseye! All with only
2-3 g's and less than 180 deg. turn.
Did not take the fight to the detail these guys didthough.
Doc
-----Original Message-----
From: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Dustoff in the Desert (RPA #103) Debrief
--> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
Even though I only understood about 50% of that, it sounded like fun.
We gotta try this at Waycross next year, if there is anyone who can
translate all this into english for me :)
Ernie
On Mon, 7 Mar 2005 17:57:31 -0800, Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net> wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
>
> Reprinted with permission:
>
> > Barry and I just pulled off a whopper out in Palm Springs. 4 years
> > ago over some mexican food we mentioned putting on a simulated air war
> > from experiences from the dark side (AF SOF)...finally executed it
> > this weekend in the calif desert...
> >
> > We had intell briefs, brevity codes, threat charts, Batman and Blitz
> > programing the sh_t out of their 295 to get a leg up on map
> > naving...and still getting lost (despite having the best drawn charts,
> > too!)...tankers you had to refuel from using actual AF lingo and SOP,
> > airborne commander Barry with no active duty experience directing
> > forces from his ABCCC airborne command post like he was a full bird
> > colonel and this was old hat, the net (radios) hot with 6 or seven
> > other missions rolling real time, recon pictures from a morning recon
> > aircraft (and damn if Barry didn't have some pro-photographers onboard
> > with long range digital cameras worth more than a paddle prop) for the
> > intell brief, time on target requirements and, of course, red force in
> > the form of the Yak 50, and a Nellis instructor in a Extra 300. It
> > was one of the best times I've had in this gig and its only up from
> > here (we only demonstrated about 30-40% of the potential concepts for
> > this event). And it hit home such concepts we teach as: leading,
> > communication discipline, tac formation, fighting wing and basic
> > parade formation skills.
> >
> > You have to think, why would anyone want to go to an airshow to do a
> > canned routine when you can roll inverted over an unaware Buzzard
> > (one of my old AA chief pilots and former F-86 driver) and his poor
> > wingman who are coming off a runway frag mission (secondary target),
> > and slice back to his 6, filling 'em both full of holes and calling
> > "Big Eye, this is Firecan 69, scratch Tiger Flight, they're in the
> > silk at bullseye 155 at 15; were gonna need to scramble Zebra ...oh,
> > and tell him to bring a mop." (add libbing that call)... Folks
> > performed superbly, very disciplined RPAers...we couldn't have asked
> > for a better bunch to execute such an experiment...
> >
> > As always, it was conducted with some pretty stiff safety measures, to
> > include no BFM beyond 180 defensive turns (thats all you need in this
> > game). Its an event that tasks your brain as much or more than your
> > ability to push and pull the stick...With military experienced back
> > seaters for the low altitude ingressing aircraft, I would certainly
> > say this operation had less risk than some of the mass formation
> > trainers that I've seen. The feedback from participants was
> > overwhelmingly positive, one (a former F-4 pilot from the Vietnam
> > days) said it was the best time he's had in decades and the comm took
> > him right back to Vietnam (he was drafted for a WSO [backseat] seat in
> > an ingress mission!)...and no BFM... Some late nights putting things
> > together and some technology glitches, but I'm glad Barry pushed to
> > make this event happen after years of sitting on the shelf (and pushed
> > my Miami-based carcass! :) - he did a great job.
>
> What can I say, after 4 years of dreaming/talking about it, I was
> getting impatient! :) Well, I don't know about a great job, either.
> All I did was push to make it happen, Drew executed the whole thing.
> Frankly, the guys who came to participate are the heros...we gave them
> A LOT to bite off, and they consumed the whole thing without a bit of
> indigestion. I, frankly, was a bit anxious about how it would be
> received. It's that whole first impression thing - the future of this
> event was riding on how this came off. They could not have done it
> better under the circumstances (laptops going down to scratch the PP
> brief, a shorter than expected training day, etc.) and the entire
> exercise was a total blast!
>
> I have never had a more fun day of flying, and I was merely the tanker
> (Exxon One One) and the ABCCC (Big Eye).
>
> I'll be sending along excerpts from the other guys "highlights" of the
> event....here's mine:
>
> After morphing from Exxon 11 to "Big Eye" (ABCCC) we raced south (100
> knots of overtake in the Lancair is quite handy in this role!) to the
> battlefield area. After filling the net with simulated radio calls
> ("Talon 49, Talon 49, Rotting Fruit moving north bound along Alpha
> One...", "Puma flight is Cancer", etc.), having to go to "Red 2" - the
> back up freq. for Red Air - because a spy had discovered our primary
> freq and was trying to run ECM (first liar doesn't stand a chance!),
> and receiving an updated TOT from Tiger flight, we arrive at the
> primary target a few minutes before Tiger flight starts their run from
> the IP. We spot them about a half mile from the primary, and also spot
> Red Two....Tiger flight wasn't so lucky. So as they come off the
> primary target (the Dalmations FOB), they start drooling over the
> targets of opportunity rich environment, including the Dalmation's CCC.
> "Tiger two is hit, but I'm attacking the target anyway!" comes the
> call....nothing like a little target fixation to ruin your day. As
> Tiger Two comes off the secondary, with the funniest radio call of the
> day ("Tiger Two's off left, I got the one with the big tits!"), he gets
> "RRat tat tat tat tat.....rat tat tat tat tat" in his headset. "RRat
> tat tat tat tat.....rat tat tat tat tat"....Red 2 is just parked at his
> six, filling him full of holes! He has no idea he's even there and is
> not making any defensive maneuvers. Where's Tiger One??? Ah, that
> line of parked helicopters was just too much.....Buzzard, you never,
> ever leave your wingman!.... "RRat tat tat tat tat.....rat tat tat tat
> tat", still no reaction from Tiger Two. By this point shredding Tiger
> Two isn't any fun anymore, so Red Two passes off the right side and
> waives...with Tiger two just continuing his left turn...looking for
> Tiger One...whoops! Guess what, Tiger One doesn't see Red Two
> either....damn it's good to be king....Red Two is almost half an ace
> and never broke a sweat!
>
> The only bummer of the whole day is my helmet camera malfunctioned and
> we didn't get any of it on tape....but that just means we'll have to do
> it again next year!
>
> You know it went well when we debrief it at the bar for two hours of
> almost as much fun as the actual exercise itself, and we're all still
> talking about it the next day! Tiger One (Buzzard and Cowboy), Tiger
> Two (Condor and Mad Dog), Cheetah One (Blitz and Maverick), Cheetah Two
> (Batman), Firecan 23/Red Two (Knife and Spanky), Firecan 69/Red One
> (Burner), and Exxon One One (D-ring/Bdog). This is a weekend I know I
> will never, ever forget! The first ever known air war sim in civilian
> aviation, and y'all made it absolutely great!
>
> Batman and Blitz, when you figure out how to program that 295, you let
> me know! LOL! Thank goodness for planning maps, eh? :)-
>
> Big Eye, out.
>
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
I'm considering using an HVLP sprayer, has anyone any experience with
conversion HVLP guns? What is a decent brand at a decent price. I have
a 175 PSI, 25 gallon compressor so I think I'm ok with the air source.
I'll be painting with Imron.
Ernie
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| Subject: | Re: Dustoff in the Desert (RPA #103) Debrief |
--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
In a message dated 3/7/2005 10:47:25 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
viperdoc@mindspring.com writes:
Ah yes to kill! Each of us can remember those moments of triumph. The high
side pass on two T-34s who were looking to kill me. I had to red line the
IAS to catch them.
The whimpering death of a real Navy A-4 jock after I hugged the base of an
overcast trying to get altitude on the another. The best part was his GIB
(and witness) was a squadron mate! Oh the shame of it all!
The screaming death of a Yak wingman over the summer green rolling hills of
Wisconsin. A beautiful 70 deg deflection shot at 100m and my wingman
"Batman" stuck at my 7 though it all.
Or the L-16s sneaking tree top level though the murky skies over the Florida
swamps on their way to SnF. They had no clue.
Or the gaggle out of Spruce Creek.
On & on & on.
It seems there are targets out west. Maybe good hunting out there hay?
Next time.
Pappy
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| Subject: | Fw: Prop feathering |
--> Yak-List message posted by: JOE <joeh@shaw.ca>
"Feathering" on a single action counterweight prop is a misnomer.
Best possible configuration with engine out is to pull the prop control to coarse
pitch least amount of drag with engine and prop windmilling.
My Cessna T50 twin had similar props ( non feathering )
The flight manual stated; "In the event of engine failure, to minimize drag
set the prop control to coarse pitch as soon as possible before the engine oil
cools down."
If you look at the function of the governor, all it can do is supply oil under
pressure to force the blades to fine pitch balanced against the force of the counter
weights, or release the pressure to allow the counterweight action to force
the oil back through the governor for coarse pitch.
I the engine failed from a failure of the combination fuel and oil pump drive,
activation of a pre-oiler pump might save the engine.
Another good reason to have a preoil pump!
Joe
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| Subject: | Re: Dustoff in the Desert (RPA #103) Debrief |
--> Yak-List message posted by: fish@aviation-tech.com
Big Eye,
ABCCC went the way of the T-34's several years ago, While I was in C-130 Flight
Engineer School. I beleive the mission is now handled by AWAX.
Too Bad
John Fischer
>--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
>
>Reprinted with permission:
>
>> Barry and I just pulled off a whopper out in Palm Springs. 4 years
>> ago over some mexican food we mentioned putting on a simulated air war
>> from experiences from the dark side (AF SOF)...finally executed it
>> this weekend in the calif desert...
>>
>> We had intell briefs, brevity codes, threat charts, Batman and Blitz
>> programing the sh_t out of their 295 to get a leg up on map
>> naving...and still getting lost (despite having the best drawn charts,
>> too!)...tankers you had to refuel from using actual AF lingo and SOP,
>> airborne commander Barry with no active duty experience directing
>> forces from his ABCCC airborne command post like he was a full bird
>> colonel and this was old hat, the net (radios) hot with 6 or seven
>> other missions rolling real time, recon pictures from a morning recon
>> aircraft (and damn if Barry didn't have some pro-photographers onboard
>> with long range digital cameras worth more than a paddle prop) for the
>> intell brief, time on target requirements and, of course, red force in
>> the form of the Yak 50, and a Nellis instructor in a Extra 300. It
>> was one of the best times I've had in this gig and its only up from
>> here (we only demonstrated about 30-40% of the potential concepts for
>> this event). And it hit home such concepts we teach as: leading,
>> communication discipline, tac formation, fighting wing and basic
>> parade formation skills.
>>
>> You have to think, why would anyone want to go to an airshow to do a
>> canned routine when you can roll inverted over an unaware Buzzard
>> (one of my old AA chief pilots and former F-86 driver) and his poor
>> wingman who are coming off a runway frag mission (secondary target),
>> and slice back to his 6, filling 'em both full of holes and calling
>> "Big Eye, this is Firecan 69, scratch Tiger Flight, they're in the
>> silk at bullseye 155 at 15; were gonna need to scramble Zebra ...oh,
>> and tell him to bring a mop." (add libbing that call)... Folks
>> performed superbly, very disciplined RPAers...we couldn't have asked
>> for a better bunch to execute such an experiment...
>>
>> As always, it was conducted with some pretty stiff safety measures, to
>> include no BFM beyond 180 defensive turns (thats all you need in this
>> game). Its an event that tasks your brain as much or more than your
>> ability to push and pull the stick...With military experienced back
>> seaters for the low altitude ingressing aircraft, I would certainly
>> say this operation had less risk than some of the mass formation
>> trainers that I've seen. The feedback from participants was
>> overwhelmingly positive, one (a former F-4 pilot from the Vietnam
>> days) said it was the best time he's had in decades and the comm took
>> him right back to Vietnam (he was drafted for a WSO [backseat] seat in
>> an ingress mission!)...and no BFM... Some late nights putting things
>> together and some technology glitches, but I'm glad Barry pushed to
>> make this event happen after years of sitting on the shelf (and pushed
>> my Miami-based carcass! :) - he did a great job.
>
>
>What can I say, after 4 years of dreaming/talking about it, I was
>getting impatient! :) Well, I don't know about a great job, either.
>All I did was push to make it happen, Drew executed the whole thing.
>Frankly, the guys who came to participate are the heros...we gave them
>A LOT to bite off, and they consumed the whole thing without a bit of
>indigestion. I, frankly, was a bit anxious about how it would be
>received. It's that whole first impression thing - the future of this
>event was riding on how this came off. They could not have done it
>better under the circumstances (laptops going down to scratch the PP
>brief, a shorter than expected training day, etc.) and the entire
>exercise was a total blast!
>
>I have never had a more fun day of flying, and I was merely the tanker
>(Exxon One One) and the ABCCC (Big Eye).
>
>I'll be sending along excerpts from the other guys "highlights" of the
>event....here's mine:
>
>After morphing from Exxon 11 to "Big Eye" (ABCCC) we raced south (100
>knots of overtake in the Lancair is quite handy in this role!) to the
>battlefield area. After filling the net with simulated radio calls
>("Talon 49, Talon 49, Rotting Fruit moving north bound along Alpha
>One...", "Puma flight is Cancer", etc.), having to go to "Red 2" - the
>back up freq. for Red Air - because a spy had discovered our primary
>freq and was trying to run ECM (first liar doesn't stand a chance!),
>and receiving an updated TOT from Tiger flight, we arrive at the
>primary target a few minutes before Tiger flight starts their run from
>the IP. We spot them about a half mile from the primary, and also spot
>Red Two....Tiger flight wasn't so lucky. So as they come off the
>primary target (the Dalmations FOB), they start drooling over the
>targets of opportunity rich environment, including the Dalmation's CCC.
> "Tiger two is hit, but I'm attacking the target anyway!" comes the
>call....nothing like a little target fixation to ruin your day. As
>Tiger Two comes off the secondary, with the funniest radio call of the
>day ("Tiger Two's off left, I got the one with the big tits!"), he gets
>"RRat tat tat tat tat.....rat tat tat tat tat" in his headset. "RRat
>tat tat tat tat.....rat tat tat tat tat"....Red 2 is just parked at his
>six, filling him full of holes! He has no idea he's even there and is
>not making any defensive maneuvers. Where's Tiger One??? Ah, that
>line of parked helicopters was just too much.....Buzzard, you never,
>ever leave your wingman!.... "RRat tat tat tat tat.....rat tat tat tat
>tat", still no reaction from Tiger Two. By this point shredding Tiger
>Two isn't any fun anymore, so Red Two passes off the right side and
>waives...with Tiger two just continuing his left turn...looking for
>Tiger One...whoops! Guess what, Tiger One doesn't see Red Two
>either....damn it's good to be king....Red Two is almost half an ace
>and never broke a sweat!
>
>The only bummer of the whole day is my helmet camera malfunctioned and
>we didn't get any of it on tape....but that just means we'll have to do
>it again next year!
>
>You know it went well when we debrief it at the bar for two hours of
>almost as much fun as the actual exercise itself, and we're all still
>talking about it the next day! Tiger One (Buzzard and Cowboy), Tiger
>Two (Condor and Mad Dog), Cheetah One (Blitz and Maverick), Cheetah Two
>(Batman), Firecan 23/Red Two (Knife and Spanky), Firecan 69/Red One
>(Burner), and Exxon One One (D-ring/Bdog). This is a weekend I know I
>will never, ever forget! The first ever known air war sim in civilian
>aviation, and y'all made it absolutely great!
>
>Batman and Blitz, when you figure out how to program that 295, you let
>me know! LOL! Thank goodness for planning maps, eh? :)-
>
>Big Eye, out.
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Steve & Sharon Heugh" <rastus@mweb.co.za>
I think the Russians are VERY smart in advising the pilot to land straight
ahead. At the moment your engine quits at 800'agl, your position over the
ground is where you MAY be after a 180 deg turn and on the deck. Your Rate
of descent is going to be very high at this point, considering the 45 AOB
descending turn. Considering a turn-back below 1000' is insane. I suspect
that the Russians propose landing straight ahead after take off, after years
of painful experience. Why re-invent the wheel?
Judder - judder - stall - flick - spin - Splat - Slow march........
Rather be sure your insurance is up to date and land straight ahead.
Surviving a prang is all about pranging under control. Be the master of your
own destiny!
:-) Happy landings(-:
Steve
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: a NEW subject
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Roger Kemp <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>
> Your numbers were pretty much on. The answer is: you end up over the
> numbers with about 8 -10 feet to spare. Not a lot of wiggle room, but
> servivable. At 150 km/h (93 kt/h) and 45 deg. bank (best angle of bank for
> gliding turns), it takes 700 ft +/- 10 ft to hack a turn of 180 degrees.
> 143km/h (88Kt/h) will get the greatest distance without wind. But turning,
> the 150km/hr gives the least altitude loss. The glide ratio of the YAK-52
> clean is 7:1. Dirty it is 5:1. I prefer using 160 km/h for my glide speed
> though. Speed is life. Smash can always be converted to altitude and
> altitude can always be converted to speed. But if all you have is air
> above you and you are out of airspeed, you are going to have a bad day.
> The Russian flight manual says if engine failure before first turn at
> takeoff:
> establish best glide speed ( 150 KPH) and trim to that.
> retract gear
> operate fuel cut-off (move reward)
> switch off mags, battery, and ignition
> open cockpit
> land striaght ahead if posible, otherwise, make shallow turns
> Doc
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Marsh <swampy@videotron.ca>
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: a NEW subject
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Dave Marsh <swampy@videotron.ca>
>
> Roger,
>
> Ah yes. See your point. Yes, you need to try this in YOUR plane at YOUR
> airfield. When you're comfortable, try it at another airfield and note how
> less comfortable that is! However, newbies will still benefit from advice
> on
> what numbers to aim for. There's a difference between getting experience
> and
> being your own test pilot....
>
> So; anyone else brave enough to suggest an answer to Dennis's question?
> It's
> better to talk about this than leave everybody to do their own thing.
>
> Dave.
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Roger Kemp <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>
> Shack! That's why you need to climb up to 5000', pull the throttle back to
> idle, and see what it takes to turn the YAK-52 180 deg.s at 45 deg.s of
> bank. Then try a full 360. You will lose more than you thought. Try it at
> full fuel load, at 1/2 and at 20 lt.
>
>
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| Subject: | Dust Off (RPA #103) Debrief - CORRECTION |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <radialpower@cox.net>
Just want to make sure we set the record straight. I thank Cowboy for
bringing these important details to my attention.
> Barry,
>
> Two correcctions to your previous email (After Action Report).
>
> (1) Tiger 2 was Condor/Cowboy, and
OK, so you were dead sooner than I thought!
>
> (2) In your AAR, as some point you wrote, and I quote loosely "rat
> a tat
> (ad nauseum), NO REACTION from Tiger 2". This is NOT CORRECT. I DID
> react.
> As Red 2 passed on our right side, I distinctly said "oh, s__t"
> (edited for Matt D's peace of mind).
LOL! Well, that's more of a reaction than your driver... :) Sucks
being a WSO when your pilot is more focused on the female anatomy on
the ground than keeping Red Air off your six, don't it?
>
> Cowboy
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