---------------------------------------------------------- Yak-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 03/18/05: 18 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:31 AM - Re: new thread-Why monitor CHT on #4 (cjpilot710@aol.com) 2. 09:17 AM - Re: new thread-Why monitor CHT on #4 (Roger Kemp) 3. 10:15 AM - 50's at play (Barry Hancock) 4. 12:58 PM - stick grip (ron wasson) 5. 01:27 PM - Re: stick grip (FamilyGage@aol.com) 6. 01:53 PM - OSH pre-party (Herb Coussons) 7. 02:49 PM - Re: stick grip (DaBear) 8. 05:14 PM - Infinity sticks (Barry Hancock) 9. 05:25 PM - Re: Weather Stripping (Desmor944@aol.com) 10. 05:50 PM - Re: new thread-Why monitor CHT on #4 (Roger Kemp) 11. 06:38 PM - Re: Weather Stripping (Desmor944@aol.com) 12. 06:42 PM - Gear Hose for a Yak-50 (Tim Gagnon) 13. 06:53 PM - Re: Weather Stripping (Jim Bernier) 14. 07:25 PM - Re: Gear Hose for a Yak-50 (Dee L. Conger) 15. 07:57 PM - Re: stick grip (ByronMFox@aol.com) 16. 08:55 PM - Re: Weather Stripping (Terry Calloway) 17. 10:17 PM - Re: new thread-Why monitor CHT on #4 (David Marsh) 18. 10:26 PM - Fw: Fw: Pick A Gas Station =ck it out=fwd melvyn g. (N13472@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:31:38 AM PST US From: cjpilot710@aol.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: new thread-Why monitor CHT on #4 --> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com Number 4 cylinder is the cylinder with the master rod. That could be the reason. Have you noticed that when you use that "laser thermometer thing" that if you take readings at different places on the same cylinder, you get different readings? That is because the heat dissipation is varied over the cylinder. The M14V has more fin area than the P. Part of the reason it can run at a higher HP longer. I've seen as much as 20 deg difference in temps on the same cylinder. On the CJ you might note the baffling just behind the cowl opening at the top for what appears #9-1-2 cylinders. I've never gotten an official explanation but I believe it has to be caused by the airflow out the BACK of the cowl. You'll note that the rear part of the cowl is closed tight just in front of the wind shield. This effect the air flow up stream in front of #9-1-2 cylinders. I believe the baffling is there to eliminate the air captivating behind the cowl opening and also directing its flow toward #9-1-2 when it might have tendency to take the path of least resistance and favor cylinders 3 to 8. Just my guess. I do know that if you start to notice temps that are somewhat higher than normal that have no reasonable explanation (high out side air temp), you might want to check for some kind of blockage in the bafflings. During this annual inspection of the engine, I found the petrified carcass of a bird ( F* &ing Starling) jamed between the baffling and cooling fin of #1 cylinder. It had been there a LONG time, at least the last 30 hours when I started to notice the very slight increase in temps. Removing it AND rebuilding the "Fish Scales" (front vanes) have done a big job in bringing down my temps. BTW another little Trivia. Did you know that the changing of the front vanes will change the pitch trim of your CJ? I'm still trying to figure out the aerodynamics. Pappy It varied. Generally it was 180 to 200 deg. I was doing the laser thermometer thing on all 9 trying to track down a cold cylinder causing a rough engine. Turned out I had a leaking exhaust valve on #2. But, that was not what caught my attention. The marked difference in temp on the top 3 cylinders vs the other 6. Fact of the matter is, there was 20 to 30 deg difference between all the cylinders. CHT was not uniform for any cylinder of the 9. The bottom 5 were closer than the top 4. I will get a chance to fly tomorrow. I will recheck the CHT's with the laser and let you know tomorrow night. Doc ------------------------- --> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez What did cylinder #4 say on the laser thermometer? Ernie > Okay Yakers, > Why do we monitor CHT on the #4 cylinder? I have landed and checked my CHT with a laser thermometer immeadiately after shutdown. I shut down at 170deg.C with oil temp at 50deg.C. The laser temp on #9, 1, 2 were all above 240 to 260deg.C. There have not been any modifications made to my engine shroud,cowling,or shutters. The Intake collars are all tight as are the exhaust collars. I have a YAK-52 with the stock M-14P. > I can not find the answer in my translated M-14 manual. > Answers? > Doc > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:17:31 AM PST US From: Roger Kemp Subject: Re: Yak-List: new thread-Why monitor CHT on #4 --> Yak-List message posted by: Roger Kemp Pappy, I shoot the laser at the front plug base on each cylinder so that I have a uniform sampling site. I also do it within 5 min of shut down and try to keep the louvers closed until I shot the temps. Agree with the #4 sample probably being because of the master rod. The ceiling is letting up here for the afternoon, so I will try to do a test this afternoon. Doc -----Original Message----- From: cjpilot710@aol.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: new thread-Why monitor CHT on #4 --> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com Number 4 cylinder is the cylinder with the master rod. That could be the reason. Have you noticed that when you use that "laser thermometer thing" that if you take readings at different places on the same cylinder, you get different readings? That is because the heat dissipation is varied over the cylinder. The M14V has more fin area than the P. Part of the reason it can run at a higher HP longer. I've seen as much as 20 deg difference in temps on the same cylinder. On the CJ you might note the baffling just behind the cowl opening at the top for what appears #9-1-2 cylinders. I've never gotten an official explanation but I believe it has to be caused by the airflow out the BACK of the cowl. You'll note that the rear part of the cowl is closed tight just in front of the wind shield. This effect the air flow up stream in front of #9-1-2 cylinders. I believe the baffling is there to eliminate the air captivating behind the cowl opening and also directing its flow toward #9-1-2 when it might have tendency to take the path of least resistance and favor cylinders 3 to 8. Just my guess. I do know that if you start to notice temps that are somewhat higher than normal that have no reasonable explanation (high out side air temp), you might want to check for some kind of blockage in the bafflings. During this annual inspection of the engine, I found the petrified carcass of a bird ( F* &ing Starling) jamed between the baffling and cooling fin of #1 cylinder. It had been there a LONG time, at least the last 30 hours when I started to notice the very slight increase in temps. Removing it AND rebuilding the "Fish Scales" (front vanes) have done a big job in bringing down my temps. BTW another little Trivia. Did you know that the changing of the front vanes will change the pitch trim of your CJ? I'm still trying to figure out the aerodynamics. Pappy It varied. Generally it was 180 to 200 deg. I was doing the laser thermometer thing on all 9 trying to track down a cold cylinder causing a rough engine. Turned out I had a leaking exhaust valve on #2. But, that was not what caught my attention. The marked difference in temp on the top 3 cylinders vs the other 6. Fact of the matter is, there was 20 to 30 deg difference between all the cylinders. CHT was not uniform for any cylinder of the 9. The bottom 5 were closer than the top 4. I will get a chance to fly tomorrow. I will recheck the CHT's with the laser and let you know tomorrow night. Doc ------------------------- --> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez What did cylinder #4 say on the laser thermometer? Ernie > Okay Yakers, > Why do we monitor CHT on the #4 cylinder? I have landed and checked my CHT with a laser thermometer immeadiately after shutdown. I shut down at 170deg.C with oil temp at 50deg.C. The laser temp on #9, 1, 2 were all above 240 to 260deg.C. There have not been any modifications made to my engine shroud,cowling,or shutters. The Intake collars are all tight as are the exhaust collars. I have a YAK-52 with the stock M-14P. > I can not find the answer in my translated M-14 manual. > Answers? > Doc > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:15:53 AM PST US From: Barry Hancock Subject: Yak-List: 50's at play --> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock Part of the Russian Roulette Squadron, Freezer, Frosty, and Hairball off the San Francisco coast....back lit, but still fun to watch. http://www.bigraft.com/birdbrain/Yak_attack.mov ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:58:48 PM PST US From: ron wasson Subject: Yak-List: stick grip --> Yak-List message posted by: ron wasson Anyone put a infinity stick grip on CJ-6A? How much trouble and if there is a better grip choice. ron ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:27:16 PM PST US From: FamilyGage@aol.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: stick grip --> Yak-List message posted by: FamilyGage@aol.com Ron, I installed an Infinity grip on my new Yak-52TW. It is a good product for the dollar. There are more expensive units made from molded rubber which should be slightly more comfortable. So far, I am pleased with the product. You will need to cut and heat the old rubber grip to remove it. Isn't an easy task. You may want to shorten the stick length as the new grip will be much taller otherwise. Good luck, Ray ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:53:48 PM PST US From: Herb Coussons Subject: Yak-List: OSH pre-party --> Yak-List message posted by: Herb Coussons Any North-Central Yaksters (CJ's and jets) I have had a request to have an informal event / fly-in at OSH in the spring before Airventure. OSH is a great, quiet, experimental friendly airspace in the off season. We could have some formation work. Flyouts to scenic airports along lake Michigan, there are areas around that are off the airway acro areas. If we have some Instructors and newbie interest then we can do ground and flight training since MTW?OSH does not have time for it. It may be fun to do some things that get left out at Airventure time - like flour bombing, point landing etc. And of course Wisconsin is famous for its beer and cheese. What's the level of interest? All RPA folks welcome - There are other events such as the "Hops and Props" event at the museum around May 15. We could coordinate then. Or we could plan on the fall - late September/October in the midwest is perfect flying weather. Give me some feedback if you are interested and if you prefer spring or fall. Herb ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:49:58 PM PST US From: DaBear Subject: Re: Yak-List: stick grip --> Yak-List message posted by: DaBear Ray, What other products have you looked at? Al FamilyGage@aol.com wrote: >--> Yak-List message posted by: FamilyGage@aol.com > >Ron, > >I installed an Infinity grip on my new Yak-52TW. It is a good product for >the dollar. There are more expensive units made from molded rubber which >should be slightly more comfortable. > >So far, I am pleased with the product. > >You will need to cut and heat the old rubber grip to remove it. Isn't an >easy task. You may want to shorten the stick length as the new grip will be >much taller otherwise. >Good luck, > >Ray > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:14:37 PM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Infinity sticks From: Barry Hancock --> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock I have Infinity sticks in both my CJ and my Lancair. They have been nothing but reliable and very comfortable. You have as many options as you have ideas for the buttons. On the CJ I have aileron trim on the top right, rudder and elevator on the coolie, Comm 1 freq. flip flop top left up, Comm 1 to Comm 2 flip flop top left down, smoke on the trigger, PTT on the thumb, and Comm 2 freq. flip flop on the pinky button. On the Lancair I have PTT on the trigger, same trim configuration, EFIS screen advance on the thumb, AP disconnect on the pinky, and still figuring out what I want to do with the other two buttons. JD has been easy to work with and stands behind his product. I'd love to have him commit to a pair for the raffle at All Red Star this year...to go along with our Bose Headset, Becker radio, Garmin GPS, and other first rate products. Speaking of which, we still have a few "advanced registration prizes" for All Red Star. Go to allredstar.com and register now for your 10% discount on fees and complimentary polo shirt if you are one of the first 20 to register. Cheers, Barry Barry Hancock Event Director All Red Star (949) 300-5510 www.allredstar.com "A Unique Aviation Experience" ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:25:36 PM PST US From: Desmor944@aol.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: Weather Stripping --> Yak-List message posted by: Desmor944@aol.com Ernie The 1/16" x 1" silicone rubber chafe strip sold by Aircraft Spruce worked very well on the landing gear doors. The stripping is stretchable, and followed the curves of the lower door without having to be notched. One kit (rubber and adhesive) is more than enough for all four doors. This material has also stood up well as a replacement for the brushed on rubber used on the cowling front support ring. Rich Desmond N19CJ ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:50:38 PM PST US From: Roger Kemp Subject: Re: Yak-List: new thread-Why monitor CHT on #4 --> Yak-List message posted by: Roger Kemp Yakers, Here are the temps from my YAK-52 from this afternoon. OAT 54 deg. F and I had to taxie roughly 2700 ft back to the hanger after landing. The louvers were left open and it was about 8 min after landing before the temps were shot. 1=108 deg C., 2=104 deg C, 3= 96 deg C., 4=86 deg.C, 5= 86 deg C., 6 = 86deg C, 7= 89 deg C, 8 = 110 deg C. and 9 = 112 deg C. These were all shot at 6 inches from the base of the front plug fpr each cylinder. I shut down at 140 deg C. So are there any answers as to why we measure the temps on the #4 cylinder? Doc -----Original Message----- From: Roger Kemp Subject: Re: Yak-List: new thread-Why monitor CHT on #4 --> Yak-List message posted by: Roger Kemp Pappy, I shoot the laser at the front plug base on each cylinder so that I have a uniform sampling site. I also do it within 5 min of shut down and try to keep the louvers closed until I shot the temps. Agree with the #4 sample probably being because of the master rod. The ceiling is letting up here for the afternoon, so I will try to do a test this afternoon. Doc -----Original Message----- From: cjpilot710@aol.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: new thread-Why monitor CHT on #4 --> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com Number 4 cylinder is the cylinder with the master rod. That could be the reason. Have you noticed that when you use that "laser thermometer thing" that if you take readings at different places on the same cylinder, you get different readings? That is because the heat dissipation is varied over the cylinder. The M14V has more fin area than the P. Part of the reason it can run at a higher HP longer. I've seen as much as 20 deg difference in temps on the same cylinder. On the CJ you might note the baffling just behind the cowl opening at the top for what appears #9-1-2 cylinders. I've never gotten an official explanation but I believe it has to be caused by the airflow out the BACK of the cowl. You'll note that the rear part of the cowl is closed tight just in front of the wind shield. This effect the air flow up stream in front of #9-1-2 cylinders. I believe the baffling is there to eliminate the air captivating behind the cowl opening and also directing its flow toward #9-1-2 when it might have tendency to take the path of least resistance and favor cylinders 3 to 8. Just my guess. I do know that if you start to notice temps that are somewhat higher than normal that have no reasonable explanation (high out side air temp), you might want to check for some kind of blockage in the bafflings. During this annual inspection of the engine, I found the petrified carcass of a bird ( F* &ing Starling) jamed between the baffling and cooling fin of #1 cylinder. It had been there a LONG time, at least the last 30 hours when I started to notice the very slight increase in temps. Removing it AND rebuilding the "Fish Scales" (front vanes) have done a big job in bringing down my temps. BTW another little Trivia. Did you know that the changing of the front vanes will change the pitch trim of your CJ? I'm still trying to figure out the aerodynamics. Pappy It varied. Generally it was 180 to 200 deg. I was doing the laser thermometer thing on all 9 trying to track down a cold cylinder causing a rough engine. Turned out I had a leaking exhaust valve on #2. But, that was not what caught my attention. The marked difference in temp on the top 3 cylinders vs the other 6. Fact of the matter is, there was 20 to 30 deg difference between all the cylinders. CHT was not uniform for any cylinder of the 9. The bottom 5 were closer than the top 4. I will get a chance to fly tomorrow. I will recheck the CHT's with the laser and let you know tomorrow night. Doc ------------------------- --> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez What did cylinder #4 say on the laser thermometer? Ernie > Okay Yakers, > Why do we monitor CHT on the #4 cylinder? I have landed and checked my CHT with a laser thermometer immeadiately after shutdown. I shut down at 170deg.C with oil temp at 50deg.C. The laser temp on #9, 1, 2 were all above 240 to 260deg.C. There have not been any modifications made to my engine shroud,cowling,or shutters. The Intake collars are all tight as are the exhaust collars. I have a YAK-52 with the stock M-14P. > I can not find the answer in my translated M-14 manual. > Answers? > Doc > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:38:29 PM PST US From: Desmor944@aol.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: Weather Stripping --> Yak-List message posted by: Desmor944@aol.com Al If Jim does not respond, he may have been using 3M Scotch p/n: 130C high voltage splicing tape. This tape measures 1" x 0.030" and is packaged in 30' rolls. It is made of Ethylene Propylene Rubber so is fuel and oil resistant. I have used it for the wing gap strap seals with good results. You should be able to find it at any commercial/industrial electrical supply house. Rich Desmond N19CJ ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:42:41 PM PST US From: "Tim Gagnon" Subject: Yak-List: Gear Hose for a Yak-50 Seal-Send-Time: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 21:42:16 -0500 --> Yak-List message posted by: "Tim Gagnon" Hey folks, I am in need of a gear hose for a Yak-50. We still have the Russian fittings and just really need a new hose for the old fittings. Any thoughts on replacing the original fitting with US fittings? Also, I have some gills that I have no need for if anyone needs some. I have replaced my gills with an Iris. By the way, Barry, I saw your Yak-11! Bugger... I did see some "real" airplanes over there and had I known I was getting a Yak while I was there, I could have scored some parts off the airframes that were scattered around the country. There were a bunch of AN-2's all stacked together next to some MiG-15 UTI's. I understand the Brits have "repatriated" some Iraqi Fury's. Wishes, Tim ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:53:32 PM PST US From: "Jim Bernier" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Weather Stripping --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Bernier" Al, I found the invoice. 021200-03309, 3M Tape 4516 1 x 36yd. sngl ct vinyl black. It may not do as well with gas, but so far gas has not come in direct prolong contact. I paid $42.03 with tax. Our choices are large and varied. Jim >>> dabear@damned.org 03/17/05 4:39 PM >>> --> Yak-List message posted by: DaBear <~!B*+R &><~!B*+R &>Jim,<~!B*+R &><~!B*+R &>Do you have a part number or other description? Al Jim Bernier wrote: >--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Bernier" <~!B*+R &>><~!B*+R &>>Ernie,<~!B*+R &>>I was able to find a 3M product at an outlet in Dallas. Any outlet will >do. It was 1/16" thick and 1" wide. The adhesive is fine as long as the >surface is real clean. It's easy to use and comes in a 36' roll. May be >pricey at about $40. But I use the whole roll. In fact, I had to buy >another roll. Gear doors about 12', wing fairings about 30', flap 13'. >You may want to use it on all the fairings. It goes quick. >Jim B > > > >>>>erniel29@gmail.com 3/16/2005 8:31:12 PM >>> >>>> >>>> >--> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <~!B*+R &>><~!B*+R &>>Does anyone have a source for the rubber weather stripping used on the >inside edges of the gear doors and the wing straps??? > >Ernie > > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:25:28 PM PST US Subject: RE: Yak-List: Gear Hose for a Yak-50 From: "Dee L. Conger" --> Yak-List message posted by: "Dee L. Conger" Hi Tim - I just finished pulling out every hose / hardline in my -50 - going to replace everything with AN/MS. You are welcome to any of my original hoses - they look to be in fairly good shape. Give me a call if interested - 858.243.4354. Dee ________________________________ From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Tim Gagnon Subject: Yak-List: Gear Hose for a Yak-50 --> Yak-List message posted by: "Tim Gagnon" Hey folks, I am in need of a gear hose for a Yak-50. We still have the Russian fittings and just really need a new hose for the old fittings. Any thoughts on replacing the original fitting with US fittings? Also, I have some gills that I have no need for if anyone needs some. I have replaced my gills with an Iris. By the way, Barry, I saw your Yak-11! Bugger... I did see some "real" airplanes over there and had I known I was getting a Yak while I was there, I could have scored some parts off the airframes that were scattered around the country. There were a bunch of AN-2's all stacked together next to some MiG-15 UTI's. I understand the Brits have "repatriated" some Iraqi Fury's. Wishes, Tim ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:57:00 PM PST US From: ByronMFox@aol.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: stick grip --> Yak-List message posted by: ByronMFox@aol.com Aircraft Spruce sells a standard military B8 grip for $144 (http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/elpages/b8pistolgrip.php) I happened to find one on Ebay as well. Used one of the buttons for smoke, and may find a use for the other buttons in time. Note that an adapter has to be milled to accommodate the diameter of the CJ's stick. I concur with Barry. Infinity makes a great product and provides the adapter. I had a pair in my Lancair . ...Blitz Byron M. Fox Mill Valley, CA 415-307-2405 Nanchang CJ-6A N221YK ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:55:41 PM PST US From: "Terry Calloway" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Weather Stripping --> Yak-List message posted by: "Terry Calloway" The rubber tape you speak of can be found at a store where the sparkies shop. Used mainly by electricians. tc >>> cjpilot710@aol.com 3/17/2005 5:40 AM >>> --> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com In a message dated 3/17/2005 1:27:29 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, erniel29@gmail.com writes: ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Ernie, You can find rubber sheets at some auto stores or ACE or other hardware stores. It is usually 1/8" thick and 18" wide. You can use ordinary scissors to cut the patterns you need. Use ordinary "Contact Cement". This stuff will hold on for an unbelievable time. There is also a rubber tape on roll, about 1" wide. This good for the wing straps, but its not cheap and its adhesive wasn't that good. And I forgot where I got it. :[ Pappy +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ --> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez < erniel29@gmail.com > Does anyone have a source for the rubber weather stripping used on the inside edges of the gear doors and the wing straps??? Ernie ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:17:35 PM PST US From: David Marsh Subject: Re: Yak-List: new thread-Why monitor CHT on #4 --> Yak-List message posted by: David Marsh OK, I'll float a theory and see who bites. We monitor CHT because of concerns with excessive wear/stress at low temperatures and weakened aluminum at high temperatures. To get high CHT, we need restricted airflows such as louvres closed with engine at high power. In this case, testing would establish the temperature spread from #4 cylinder to #9 and permit a limit to be set on any monitored cylinder approximately equivalent to the limit condition on the #9 cylinder. With excessive cooling, such as shock cooling in a dive or running up to full power on a cold engine, the range of CHTs would be more affected by the condition (cold engine or excessive cooling flow) but in each case the #4 is the coldest and most critical. Consequently, monitor #4 because it is critical when the engine is cold, and you know that the more stable hot engine/low airflow conditions can be accounted for by setting a limit on the #4 cylinder which will keep the #9 cylinder inside it's structural limits. All of this assumes a normal functioning engine, but the Russians didn't have enough cockpit space or microprocessors to monitor all cylinders, so they had to choose the critical case. comments, Dave. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Kemp" Subject: Re: Yak-List: new thread-Why monitor CHT on #4 > So are there any answers as to why we measure the temps on the #4 cylinder? > Doc > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:26:24 PM PST US From: N13472@aol.com Subject: Yak-List: Fwd: Fw: Pick A Gas Station =ck it out=fwd melvyn g. fweismantel@sitecomwireless.com, Mdrogge@aol.com --> Yak-List message posted by: N13472@aol.com by smtp01.lax.untd.com with SMTP; 18 Mar 2005 22:45:56 -0000 From: "wcmargiotta1" "Jordan Stockham" , "Clark Smith" , "ted olson" , "jdrahn7" , "BENITO FORTE" , , "Thomas Dimele" , "Michel V. 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