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1. 07:53 AM - Re: 28V battery chargers (Brian Lloyd)
2. 08:56 AM - CJ6 Weight and Balance Numbers (Jim Ivey)
3. 08:58 AM - Re: SnF (Rob Mortara)
4. 09:00 AM - Rocker Cover Cables M14P (Jim Ivey)
5. 09:04 AM - Re: Rocker Cover Cables M14P clamav-milter version (Richard Basiliere)
6. 09:11 AM - Re: Rocker Cover Cables M14P clamav-milter version 0.80j on raptor.cscweb.net (Doug Sapp)
7. 10:53 AM - Floats for CJ-6 (John Ford)
8. 01:37 PM - Re: 28 Volt Power Supplies (Bitterlich GS11 Mark G)
9. 01:40 PM - Re: Floats for CJ-6 (Roger Kemp)
10. 03:05 PM - SNF-ZPH Schedule (cpayne@joimail.com)
11. 07:41 PM - Re: Floats for CJ-6 (Cliff Umscheid)
12. 08:14 PM - Re: Floats for CJ-6 (jackron@att.net)
13. 09:14 PM - All Red Star Update (Num1Pilot@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: 28V battery chargers |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Brian Lloyd wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
>
> Ding! The light goes on. I have two 24V three-stage battery chargers that I
> 'surplussed' from my boat (with a 24V electrical system). One is a 40A and the
> other is a 20A.
Someone brought to my attention that most battery chargers are not suitable
for powering an aircraft electrical system as they do not have sufficient
filtering and regulation. This person is correct for the run-of-the-mill
battery charger but the battery chargers I am offering are microprocessor
controlled, filtered, and regulated units on a par with the Lambda power
supplies that were also being offered. In fact, the manufacturer's
specifications even state, "Use as a power supply; can power loads without a
battery in line."
The big difference is that these battery chargers are designed to charge the
battery and then automatically switch to a lower maintenance voltage that will
not boil your battery dry if you leave it connected forever. They are also
compensated to change the charge and float voltages as the temperature changes
so that they don't undercharge in the winter and overcharge in the summer. The
Lambda power supplies will not do this automatically and if used as battery
chargers, must be monitored to ensure that they are turned-off or have their
output voltages adjusted when the battery is fully charged. The Newmar battery
chargers perform this function automatically and may be left connected to your
aircraft battery indefinitely without any fear of damage to battery or avionics.
The units I am offering are the PT-24-20 and the PT-24-40. You can see their
specifications at http://www.newmarpower.com/pt2002/pt2002.html.
The PT-24-20 sells for $799 new and the PT-24-40 sells for $1369 new. Both
units will accept any standard mains power, i.e. 110/220V at either 50Hz or 60Hz.
If you run a shop and regularly work on aircraft with 28V electrical systems
you need one of these.
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
brianl@lloyd.com Suite 201
http://www.lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
There is a time to laud one's country and a time to protest.
A good citizen is prepared to do either as the need arises.
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| Subject: | CJ6 Weight and Balance Numbers |
clamav-milter version 0.80j
on raptor.cscweb.net
--> Yak-List message posted by: Jim Ivey <jim@jimivey.com>
Fellow Yakkers:
I am performing a first-time Weight and Balance on my CJ-6A. After purchasing
all manuals from Doug Sapp and perusing past list postings I think I have a
pretty good handle on it (thanks, Walt Lannon).
I would like to present my measurements for review by other CJ
owners/restorers
here. Do things look reasonable?
I decided to use the 125" forward of main gear centerline for a datum
plane, per
Walt's practice. Here is a summary of what I measured from level canopy rails
and plumb-bob projections, along with previously posted values:
Station Name Arm Position (in)
Nosewheel 35.5
Oil Tank 47.5
Front Seat 101.5
Main Gear 125.0
Main Fuel 127.5
Rear Seat 152.5
Baggage Compartment 166.5
Aft Radio Rack 192.5
With acceptable CG range of:
Forward = 106.5"
Aft = 111.4"
Empty Weight Calculation from scales, a/c level:
Station Name Arm Position (in) Weight (lb) Moment
Nosewheel 35.5 562.0 19951.0
Oil Tank 47.5 -15.2 -722.0
Main Gear 125.0 1890.0 236250.0
Smoke Oil Tank 192.5 -11.4 -2194.5
Empty A/C Values 104.43" 2425.4 lb 253284.5
Note: Aircraft is CJ-6A with M-14P, inverted systems, smoke and 23 gallons
auxillary fuel tank
Jim Ivey
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Rob Mortara" <rob@robinhill.com>
We are going monday
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jay Land
Subject: Yak-List: SnF
--> Yak-List message posted by: Jay Land <jland@popeandland.com>
Anybody else getting to Zepherhills on Saturday for the pre game activities?
Jay
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| Subject: | Rocker Cover Cables M14P |
clamav-milter version 0.80j
on raptor.cscweb.net
--> Yak-List message posted by: Jim Ivey <jim@jimivey.com>
Anybody know how the infinite-loop rocker cover cables on the M-14P cylinders
are manufactured? I just cant' seem to figure it out and now I've got the
whole airport scratching their heads.
Jim Ivey
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0.80j on raptor.cscweb.net
| Subject: | Re: Rocker Cover Cables M14P clamav-milter version |
0.80j on raptor.cscweb.net
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Richard Basiliere" <BasiliereR@ci.boulder.co.us>
I've heard hand woven...Carl and Jill would know
>>> jim@jimivey.com 4/6/2005 9:59:59 AM >>>
--> Yak-List message posted by: Jim Ivey <jim@jimivey.com>
Anybody know how the infinite-loop rocker cover cables on the M-14P
cylinders
are manufactured? I just cant' seem to figure it out and now I've got
the
whole airport scratching their heads.
Jim Ivey
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| Subject: | Rocker Cover Cables M14P clamav-milter version 0.80j |
on raptor.cscweb.net
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
They are hand spliced on a jig to maintain the proper length, the "tails"
are worked back into the cable. If you look close you can see a slight
increase in diameter in the area where they worked the ends back in. They
are a very nice piece of work. Most folks tend to overlook the ingenuity
and cleverness needed to make this simple (looking) little part.
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jim Ivey
Subject: Yak-List: Rocker Cover Cables M14P clamav-milter version 0.80j
on raptor.cscweb.net
--> Yak-List message posted by: Jim Ivey <jim@jimivey.com>
Anybody know how the infinite-loop rocker cover cables on the M-14P
cylinders
are manufactured? I just cant' seem to figure it out and now I've got the
whole airport scratching their heads.
Jim Ivey
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--> Yak-List message posted by: John Ford <jford@direcway.com>
After looking at Charles Lindbergh's Lockeed Model 8, Sirius, equipped with floats,
I called Wipline to see if they had done anything with a CJ. They recommended
their 2350 floats but confided that it would be an expensive conversion and
that they haven't done a CJ before. Does anyone have any info on any Chinese
conversion, or any info on float conversions for that matter? Regards, John
Ford
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| Subject: | 28 Volt Power Supplies |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Bitterlich GS11 Mark G <BitterlichMG@cherrypoint.usmc.mil>
Folks, just an addendum if I may. These power supplies I am offering make
terrible battery chargers. If you need 28 Volt intelligent battery
chargers, I'd recommend purchasing the units Brian Lloyd is offering and NOT
these.
However, they do make wonderful bench power supplies, and will power up your
aircraft just fine using the external power jack. They also have remote
sense regulation capability. This allows you to run the regulation sense
wires all the way to the load so that the power supplies regulator accounts
for any I2R losses in the 28 volt power cable going from the supply to the
load.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: Bitterlich GS11 Mark G [mailto:BitterlichMG@cherrypoint.usmc.mil]
Subject: Yak-List: 28 Volt Power Supplies
--> Yak-List message posted by: Bitterlich GS11 Mark G
<BitterlichMG@cherrypoint.usmc.mil>
Gents,
I have three Lambda LRS-58-28 Power supplies left that are for sale. These
are extremely high quality regulated power supplies that provide FIFTY AMPS
of continious duty power at 28 volts DC. The dimensions are roughly
14"x5"x6.5". The only downside is that they require 185-250 volts AC input
power. Yes, 220 household power is just fine. So is single phase 220 or
two out of three phases of 115 (208 volts). Any single or dual phase source
that adds up to over 185 volts will power these things.
The things are just the ticket for powering up your YAK, or L-29, or L-39,
or heck.. just about any other 28 volt warbird, using the birds external
power connector. If you ever have to do any extensive troubleshooting
you'll wish you had one of these things.
Contact me off-net if you are interested.
Mark Bitterlich
N50YK
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| Subject: | Re: Floats for CJ-6 |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Roger Kemp <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Have seen a YAK on ski's but can't say i've ever seen a CJ on floats. Have seen
a CJ on its back before too.
Pappy how ya do'in?
Doc
-----Original Message-----
From: John Ford <jford@direcway.com>
Subject: Yak-List: Floats for CJ-6
--> Yak-List message posted by: John Ford <jford@direcway.com>
After looking at Charles Lindbergh's Lockeed Model 8, Sirius, equipped with floats,
I called Wipline to see if they had done anything with a CJ. They recommended
their 2350 floats but confided that it would be an expensive conversion and
that they haven't done a CJ before. Does anyone have any info on any Chinese
conversion, or any info on float conversions for that matter? Regards, John
Ford
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| Subject: | SNF-ZPH Schedule |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "cpayne@joimail.com" <cpayne@joimail.com>
Sun n Funners,
Looks like a laid back event this year, No clinic as such,
but Rec/Check rides where arranged in advance.
Suggested schedule:
Sat/Sun : Let me know if you are arriving over the weekend
and we will go from there. Plenty to see and do in the area.
Mon: Numerous arrivals and maybe a flight over the NATA guys
at Kissimmee.
Tues: All day serious mass formation stuff, up early and
saddle up, fly,fly, and fly some more.
Wed: 1st WB airshow. Early flight over and recover ZPH after
the show.
Thurs: Repeat of Wed. except I have a banquet room at a
local steak/seafood 7:30pm. Hint, all scratch-made stuff,
even the soup
Fri: Leeward flyout, no LAL or airshow, depart/recover from
ZPH. Watch a free airshow put on by Team Red. Lots of real
flying, hanger flying and then bar flying.
Sat: Plenty to do, WB airshow, WB dinner. I'm catching the
night airshow at LAL after dinner at either Kazbors or at
the big (free) car show in Plant City.
Sun: Last WB airshow, crowds at SNF with airplanes leaving
faster than spectators arrive if last year is any guideline.
Mon: No Nutin', no airshow, just vendors waiting to pack.
Perfect time for me to stock up on supplies.
Craig Payne
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| Subject: | Re: Floats for CJ-6 |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Cliff Umscheid <netmaster15@juno.com>
John,
Unless you have the M-14P engine installed in your CJ you may be grossly
disappointed in the airplanes performance on floats. Many people are
surprised at the diminished performance of any given aircraft when it is
converted to a seaplane and no engine upgrade is accomplished. Your CJ
will be no exception. Glassy water , no wind and summer temps will
provide you with an eye opener on float plane performance. Also,
remember, that prop was not meant to operate in a water environment. How
do you think it will react to repeated instances of waves breaking over
the bow of the floats? This is not an operation you should blithely
enter into without a great deal of thought and preparation as well as
aircraft modification and float plane experience. Best of luck,
Cliff Umscheid, netmaster15@juno.com, ( float plane instructor in a
former life)
PS It''s true, YAK 50 Pilots have more fun! Unless you count getting
la##id on the floats.
On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 14:52:04 -0300 John Ford <jford@direcway.com> writes:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: John Ford <jford@direcway.com>
>
> After looking at Charles Lindbergh's Lockeed Model 8, Sirius,
> equipped with floats, I called Wipline to see if they had done
> anything with a CJ. They recommended their 2350 floats but confided
> that it would be an expensive conversion and that they haven't done
> a CJ before. Does anyone have any info on any Chinese conversion, or
> any info on float conversions for that matter? Regards, John Ford
>
>
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>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Floats for CJ-6 |
--> Yak-List message posted by: jackron@att.net
John, Living in Southeast Alaska I have a bit of experience with floatplanes.
First, low wing floatplanes are a SOB to dock. Flying a floatplane is easy,
docking one is hard. Consider the exit from a CJ. When docking, one must time
everything perfectly, then dismount the float with rope in hand. In a low wing
the issue is complicated by the wing being in the way. second, the wing will
hit stuff. Bushes, pilings, skiffs, etc will all be in the way. Then there's
corrosion, My cub has 5 coats of epoxy primer and 2 coats of aero gloss on
the tubes. I could go on, but my advice is buy a Cub, 180 or something that
somebody else has tried and proven. On the other hand, if you want a CJ on floats,
have at it.
Ron Swanson
--
-------------- Original message from John Ford <jford@direcway.com>: --------------
> --> Yak-List message posted by: John Ford
>
> After looking at Charles Lindbergh's Lockeed Model 8, Sirius, equipped with
> floats, I called Wipline to see if they had done anything with a CJ. They
> recommended their 2350 floats but confided that it would be an expensive
> conversion and that they haven't done a CJ before. Does anyone have any info
on
> any Chinese conversion, or any info on float conversions for that matter?
> Regards, John Ford
>
>
>
>
>
>
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John, Living in Southeast Alaska I have a bit of experience with floatplanes. First,
low wing floatplanes are a SOB to dock. Flying a floatplane is easy, docking
one is hard. Consider the exit from a CJ. When docking, one must time everything
perfectly, then dismount the float with rope in hand.In a low wing the
issue is complicated by the wing being in the way. second, the wing will hit
stuff. Bushes, pilings, skiffs, etc will all be in the way. Then there's corrosion,
My cub has 5 coats of epoxy primer and 2 coats of aero gloss on the tubes.
I could go on, but my advice is buy a Cub, 180 or something that somebody else
has tried and proven. On the other hand, if you want a CJ on floats, have
at it.
Ron Swanson
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-------------- Original message from John Ford jford@direcway.com: --------------
-- Yak-List message posted by: John Ford <JFORD@DIRECWAY.COM>
After looking at Charles Lindbergh's Lockeed Model 8, Sirius, equipped with
floats, I called Wipline to see if they had done anything with a CJ. They
recommended their 2350 floats but confided that it would be an expensive
conversion and that they haven't done a CJ before. Does anyone have any info on
any Chinese conversion, or any info on float conversions for that matter?
Regards, John Ford
&
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| Subject: | All Red Star Update |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Num1Pilot@aol.com
I just got off the phone from an outstanding conference call. This year I
am again working with the All Red Star (ARS) staff to put on an high class
event. Check our website (_http://www.allredstar.com/_
(http://www.allredstar.com/) ) to read about all the numerous exciting additions/plans for this year.
The time is getting short and our planning is all coming together! This
year will be better than the last three and our focus is YOU, the Red Star
Pilot/Owner.
I am writing for two reasons:
1. To remind everyone to sign up early. This helps us control costs
and plan the event. There is an early sign-up discount, so sign up now - there
isn't much time left on the reduced rates!
2. I AM LOOKING FOR VOLENTEERS. At Paso Robles last weekend I had two
wives volunteer and I would love to have more. Amanda, Amy, and Sparky would
love to have people help with check-in and meals (set up only, the meals
themselves are catered). Also, I would love to have people help me with
operations both with schedules, and ground crew. I am sure those who attended
Paso
Robles will tell you that things are getting more and more organize with your
event (RPA/ARS).
Please contact me off the list at _HAP1995@yahoo.com_
(mailto:HAP1995@yahoo.com) if you or your GIB would like to help out with the cause. Their
participation will be pointed and rewarding.
"Postal"
Hartley Postlethwaite
All Red Star Operations / Scheduler / Self Appointed "Go To" Guy
_HAP1995@yahoo.com_ (mailto:HAP1995@yahoo.com)
619 861-3151 cell
Anacortes, WA
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