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1. 05:58 AM - Re: Engine test stand (cjpilot710@aol.com)
2. 07:23 AM - Calling Blitz (Terry Calloway)
3. 09:12 AM - PAPPY: Flight planner recommendation (Lee Taylor)
4. 09:25 AM - Re: Engine test stand (Doug Sapp)
5. 10:19 AM - Pre / Post Moratorium Aircraft (N13472@aol.com)
6. 10:38 AM - Re: Pre / Post Moratorium Aircraft (Richard Basiliere)
7. 02:13 PM - ZPH Weekenders etc. (cpayne@joimail.com)
8. 02:28 PM - SoCal Inyokern Warbird Fly-In............... (Frank Haertlein)
9. 03:02 PM - Re: Pre / Post Moratorium Aircraft (A. Dennis Savarese)
10. 03:33 PM - Re: Pre / Post Moratorium Aircraft (Daniel Fortin)
11. 04:09 PM - Re: Engine test stand (Greg Young)
12. 04:29 PM - Re: Engine test stand (Marcus Bates)
13. 05:00 PM - Re: Engine test stand (Greg Young)
14. 08:05 PM - Re: Engine test stand (Marcus Bates)
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| Subject: | Re: Engine test stand |
--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
In a message dated 4/8/2005 1:44:49 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
gyoung@cs-sol.com writes:
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Greg Young" <gyoung@cs-sol.com>
I'd like to get or build a test stand suitable for an M-14. Anyone have a
source or plans?
Thanks,
Greg Young
Greg,
I've got a M-14 engine mount ring new that came with my engine when I bought
it from Aerostar. You save a lot of time starting from that if you
construct one.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Terry Calloway" <tcalloway@datatechnique.com>
Blitz Fox,
I lost your number. Call my cell when you have time.
Pumper
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| Subject: | PAPPY: Flight planner recommendation |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Lee Taylor" <leetay@comcast.net>
PAPPY,
THANKS for the Flight Planner recommendation. It is very good,
and FREE! I like both of those attributes! In this day and age, fuel
price info is very valuable when making a trip. Theirs is one of the
best that I have seen. (Airnav.com)
Lee Taylor
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| Subject: | Engine test stand |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
I also have some old mount rings and mount legs available, also have air
lines and fuel lines.
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
cjpilot710@aol.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Engine test stand
--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
In a message dated 4/8/2005 1:44:49 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
gyoung@cs-sol.com writes:
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Greg Young" <gyoung@cs-sol.com>
I'd like to get or build a test stand suitable for an M-14. Anyone have a
source or plans?
Thanks,
Greg Young
Greg,
I've got a M-14 engine mount ring new that came with my engine when I
bought
it from Aerostar. You save a lot of time starting from that if you
construct one.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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| Subject: | Pre / Post Moratorium Aircraft |
--> Yak-List message posted by: N13472@aol.com
Gentlemen I need some info, A neighbor has purchased a Yak 18 its
Airworthiness Certificate was issued on 02-02-93 and its operating limits has
no
distance limitations.
We have the following questions.
1. Is it a Pre or Post Moratorium aircraft?
2. Does he have to notify the FSDO for this area? other than sending in the
registration
change of address?
3. When I moved my CJ from So Cal to Las Vegas the FSDO issued me a new
Airworthiness
Certificate and Operating limitations. Will he need the same?
4. The log books show the Annual condition inspection sign off in the
airframe book only
mine is in the engine book as well. Which is correct or is both OK?
THANK YOU
Tom & Nora Elliott
CJ-6A NX63727
C-177B N13472
777 Quartz Ave
Sandy Valley NV 89019
Home 702-723-1223
Fax 702-723-1243
Cell 702-595-2680 Tom
702-808-1316 Nora
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| Subject: | Re: Pre / Post Moratorium Aircraft |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Richard Basiliere" <BasiliereR@ci.boulder.co.us>
sounds like:
1. Pre
2. No
3. No
4. Engine gets "100 hour" sign off technically, I believe. Engines
are not subject to "annual inspection"
My SU-29 has about the same original airworthiness date...and no mile
limits...
Respectfully, Rick
>>> N13472@aol.com 4/8/2005 11:18:51 AM >>>
--> Yak-List message posted by: N13472@aol.com
Gentlemen I need some info, A neighbor has purchased a Yak 18 its
Airworthiness Certificate was issued on 02-02-93 and its operating
limits has no
distance limitations.
We have the following questions.
1. Is it a Pre or Post Moratorium aircraft?
2. Does he have to notify the FSDO for this area? other than sending in
the
registration
change of address?
3. When I moved my CJ from So Cal to Las Vegas the FSDO issued me a new
Airworthiness
Certificate and Operating limitations. Will he need the same?
4. The log books show the Annual condition inspection sign off in the
airframe book only
mine is in the engine book as well. Which is correct or is both
OK?
THANK YOU
Tom & Nora Elliott
CJ-6A NX63727
C-177B N13472
777 Quartz Ave
Sandy Valley NV 89019
Home 702-723-1223
Fax 702-723-1243
Cell 702-595-2680 Tom
702-808-1316 Nora
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| Subject: | ZPH Weekenders etc. |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "cpayne@joimail.com" <cpayne@joimail.com>
Sun 'n Funners,
1st Friday Update:
Our parking spot at ZPH is on Taxiway Bravo which runs
between the terminal area and 36. Park on the West side of
the taxiway, South of the two mothballed regionals,
continuing the line. No tiedowns but a pushback near the
grass will leave the mains on hard surface and stakes in
Sugar Sand. CAUTION, taxiway is active, but was used during
the summer of '02/03 as a parking area for heavy iron.
Result is ruts where their wheels sunk in....
Plenty of cars available from Avis at ZPH, just call
727-841-7880 and have your favorite CC ready. Parking on
taxiway will be permitted, I'll brief on the back way on how
to get in so you don't have to drive across active 4-22.
Hint bring a gas mask, "private entrance" is through the
sanitary plant, next to the golf course.
This weekend they are short handed, use the self-serve and
be patient, all will be well come Monday. Underwing camping
IS permissible but some of our guys with NEW -TW's may think
that the Hyatt is roughing it :)
Craig Payne
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| Subject: | SoCal Inyokern Warbird Fly-In............... |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Yakkers In SoCal.....
There's going to be a Fly-In to Inyokern Airport this Saturday
(Tomorrow). Apparently a bunch of warbird types will be there. Here are
the particulars...........
INYOKERN, CALIFORNIA. A Fly-in and Barbeque takes place April 9 at
Inyokern (IYK) from 9:30 a.m. to 5 p.m. Contact Scott Seymour,
760/377-5844.
Frank
N9110M
YAK-52
L71
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| Subject: | Re: Pre / Post Moratorium Aircraft |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <DSAVARESE@ELMORE.RR.COM>
Answers:
1 - It should be Pre-moratorium. The moratorium was implemented in the
summer of '93.
2 - No, the ops limits have no 300 NM proficiency area and no home base
airport named in the ops limits. The registration goes to Oklahoma City. Not
the local FSDO. Be sure he sends both the 8050-1 (Registration form) and
the 8050-2 (Bill of sale) to Ok. City.
3 - No. See replies to #1 and #2.
4 - There should be an annual condition inspection for both the airframe and
the engine signed off by an A&P unless there is some indication in the
airframe log book referring to the engine inspection.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: <N13472@aol.com>
Subject: Yak-List: Pre / Post Moratorium Aircraft
> --> Yak-List message posted by: N13472@aol.com
>
> Gentlemen I need some info, A neighbor has purchased a Yak 18 its
> Airworthiness Certificate was issued on 02-02-93 and its operating limits
has no
> distance limitations.
> We have the following questions.
>
> 1. Is it a Pre or Post Moratorium aircraft?
>
> 2. Does he have to notify the FSDO for this area? other than sending in
the
> registration
> change of address?
>
> 3. When I moved my CJ from So Cal to Las Vegas the FSDO issued me a new
> Airworthiness
> Certificate and Operating limitations. Will he need the same?
>
> 4. The log books show the Annual condition inspection sign off in the
> airframe book only
> mine is in the engine book as well. Which is correct or is both OK?
>
> THANK YOU
> Tom & Nora Elliott
> CJ-6A NX63727
> C-177B N13472
> 777 Quartz Ave
> Sandy Valley NV 89019
> Home 702-723-1223
> Fax 702-723-1243
> Cell 702-595-2680 Tom
> 702-808-1316 Nora
>
>
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| Subject: | Pre / Post Moratorium Aircraft |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Daniel Fortin" <fougapilot@hotmail.com>
The local FSDO may try to give him some BS about him needing to re-certify
the airplane. It is just that, a bunch of BS. My FOuga, (forth imported in
the Us) is Pre-moratorium. When I moved it, the local FSDO refused to issue
me an LOA based on the fact I had been trained on an airplane that did not
have a valid CofA, he then request (verbally) I send him my CofA and apply
for certification failure of which I would be prosecuted to the full extent
of the law. I politely ask him to specify where on my CofA it was written
that it was no longer valid, and when he couldn't, told him if he wanted it,
he would have to ask it in writing.
My next phone call was to the EAA, those membership fees we pay every year
do come handy once in a while. Spoke to their Gov affair people and was
provided the exact FAA order the FSDO was basing his "law" on. First line
says, "This order does not apply to airplane certified before (i forgot the
exact date) 1993". Faxed it to the supervisor of the individual I
originally spoke to and my LOA arrived like magic in the mail the following
week.
Under no circumstance should you hand out the CofA of a Pre moratorium
aircraft to the FAA. Big mistake. The Eaa can and will help you make the
FAA see the light.
Cheers,
Dan
>From: N13472@aol.com
>Reply-To: yak-list@matronics.com
>To: yak-list-digest@matronics.com, yak-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Yak-List: Pre / Post Moratorium Aircraft
>Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 13:18:51 EDT
>
>--> Yak-List message posted by: N13472@aol.com
>
>Gentlemen I need some info, A neighbor has purchased a Yak 18 its
>Airworthiness Certificate was issued on 02-02-93 and its operating limits
>has no
>distance limitations.
>We have the following questions.
>
>1. Is it a Pre or Post Moratorium aircraft?
>
>2. Does he have to notify the FSDO for this area? other than sending in the
>registration
> change of address?
>
>3. When I moved my CJ from So Cal to Las Vegas the FSDO issued me a new
>Airworthiness
> Certificate and Operating limitations. Will he need the same?
>
>4. The log books show the Annual condition inspection sign off in the
>airframe book only
> mine is in the engine book as well. Which is correct or is both OK?
>
>THANK YOU
>Tom & Nora Elliott
>CJ-6A NX63727
>C-177B N13472
>777 Quartz Ave
>Sandy Valley NV 89019
>Home 702-723-1223
>Fax 702-723-1243
>Cell 702-595-2680 Tom
>702-808-1316 Nora
>
>
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| Subject: | Engine test stand |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Greg Young" <gyoung@cs-sol.com>
Thanks, I got a ring with my (O/H'd) engine too. It's tied to the legs
used to secure it to the crate. I was assuming/hoping it's a
flightworthy part and not just a shipping fixture. Do you know? I
guessed they shipped with the ring to make field engine changes easier
out in Siberia. I'm going to have to build a mount to fit the ring so
does anyone have it's dimensions or better yet an installation drawing
for the M-14? Thanks.
Regards,
Greg Young
> --> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
>
>
> In a message dated 4/8/2005 1:44:49 A.M. Eastern Daylight
> Time, gyoung@cs-sol.com writes:
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Greg Young" <gyoung@cs-sol.com>
>
> I'd like to get or build a test stand suitable for an M-14.
> Anyone have a source or plans?
>
> Thanks,
> Greg Young
>
>
> Greg,
> I've got a M-14 engine mount ring new that came with my
> engine when I bought it from Aerostar. You save a lot of
> time starting from that if you construct one.
>
> Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
>
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| Subject: | Re: Engine test stand |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Marcus Bates" <mlbjr@earthlink.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg Young" <gyoung@cs-sol.com>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Engine test stand
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Greg Young" <gyoung@cs-sol.com>
>
> Thanks, I got a ring with my (O/H'd) engine too. It's tied to the legs
> used to secure it to the crate. I was assuming/hoping it's a
> flightworthy part and not just a shipping fixture. Do you know? I
> guessed they shipped with the ring to make field engine changes easier
> out in Siberia. I'm going to have to build a mount to fit the ring so
> does anyone have it's dimensions or better yet an installation drawing
> for the M-14? Thanks.
>
> Regards,
> Greg Young
Greg....the engines are shipped with non-aircraft legs....they are extra
heavy, not regular engine mounts. Use them and weld up a Fixture made from
3 or 4 inch square tubing, and Voila! Engine test stand.....Now, what are
you going to attach it to to keep it from moving while the engine is
running?????
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| Subject: | Engine test stand |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Greg Young" <gyoung@cs-sol.com>
Sorry, I realized the legs are just for shipping - they're all beat up
with weld repairs. My question is about the ring being airworthy. As to
the base, so far it's just been a mental exercise. It needs to be
moveable so I can get it in and out of the hangar yet capable of being
anchored against a significant amount of thrust and rotational moment
from a high thrust line. 2-wheel trailers could have a tongue weight
issue and 4 wheel trailers need a steerable axle and of course they need
brakes or chocks or a tie-down. I could mount it on an old pickup but
I'd also like it to take minimal space when not in use. I'm an engineer
so it's natural to over-analyze. Any suggestion?
Regards,
Greg Young
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Marcus Bates" <mlbjr@earthlink.net>
>
> Greg....the engines are shipped with non-aircraft
> legs....they are extra
> heavy, not regular engine mounts. Use them and weld up a
> Fixture made from
> 3 or 4 inch square tubing, and Voila! Engine test
> stand.....Now, what are
> you going to attach it to to keep it from moving while the engine is
> running?????
>
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| Subject: | Re: Engine test stand |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Marcus Bates" <mlbjr@earthlink.net>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg Young" <gyoung@cs-sol.com>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Engine test stand
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Greg Young" <gyoung@cs-sol.com>
>
> Sorry, I realized the legs are just for shipping - they're all beat up
> with weld repairs. My question is about the ring being airworthy. As to
> the base, so far it's just been a mental exercise. It needs to be
> moveable so I can get it in and out of the hangar yet capable of being
> anchored against a significant amount of thrust and rotational moment
> from a high thrust line. 2-wheel trailers could have a tongue weight
> issue and 4 wheel trailers need a steerable axle and of course they need
> brakes or chocks or a tie-down. I could mount it on an old pickup but
> I'd also like it to take minimal space when not in use. I'm an engineer
> so it's natural to over-analyze. Any suggestion?
>
> Regards,
> Greg Young
>
Greg....most of the engine test stands I have seen are mounted on a 2-wheel
trailer, with a protective enclosure between the operator and the
engine....inside are the instruments, etc to monitor the engine's
progress.....they are not sophisticared....leave the hitch on the tow
vehicle and it acts as the anchor for the run-up.....Marcus
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