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1. 03:16 PM - Re: Pre / Post Moratorium Aircraft (Jim Ivey)
2. 03:50 PM - Upper Cylinder Lubrication on M14P (Frank Haertlein)
3. 03:54 PM - S&Fand bad news. (cjpilot710@aol.com)
4. 05:01 PM - Airshow calendar (Walt Murphy)
5. 06:07 PM - Re: Upper Cylinder Lubrication on M14P (Don Glittenberg)
6. 06:39 PM - Airshow calendar (Frank Haertlein)
7. 06:55 PM - Re: Upper Cylinder Lubrication on M14P (Brian Lloyd)
8. 07:33 PM - Re: Airshow calendar (Dennis Lenton)
9. 07:50 PM - Re: Pre / Post Moratorium Aircraft clamav-milter version 0.80j on raptor.cscweb.net (A. Dennis Savarese)
10. 08:00 PM - Re: Upper Cylinder Lubrication on M14P (Ernest Martinez)
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| Subject: | Pre / Post Moratorium Aircraft |
clamav-milter version 0.80j
on raptor.cscweb.net
--> Yak-List message posted by: Jim Ivey <jim@jimivey.com>
This brings up a curious point. My CJ is pre-moratorium with a C of A of
unlimited expiry. However, the Operating Limitations state certain
northeastern states where the airplane may operate along with to and
from Texas
for maintenance. What if I want to base the airplane elsewhere? Am I
likely to
have to surrender the C of A to get operating limits allowing flight in
the new
area? Or can I merely request new OL's and keep the C of A?
Jim Ivey
Quoting Daniel Fortin <fougapilot@hotmail.com>:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Daniel Fortin" <fougapilot@hotmail.com>
>
> The local FSDO may try to give him some BS about him needing to re-certify
> the airplane. It is just that, a bunch of BS. My FOuga, (forth imported in
> the Us) is Pre-moratorium. When I moved it, the local FSDO refused to issue
> me an LOA based on the fact I had been trained on an airplane that did not
> have a valid CofA, he then request (verbally) I send him my CofA and apply
> for certification failure of which I would be prosecuted to the full extent
> of the law. I politely ask him to specify where on my CofA it was written
> that it was no longer valid, and when he couldn't, told him if he wanted it,
> he would have to ask it in writing.
>
> My next phone call was to the EAA, those membership fees we pay every year
> do come handy once in a while. Spoke to their Gov affair people and was
> provided the exact FAA order the FSDO was basing his "law" on. First line
> says, "This order does not apply to airplane certified before (i forgot the
> exact date) 1993". Faxed it to the supervisor of the individual I
> originally spoke to and my LOA arrived like magic in the mail the following
> week.
>
> Under no circumstance should you hand out the CofA of a Pre moratorium
> aircraft to the FAA. Big mistake. The Eaa can and will help you make the
> FAA see the light.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dan
>
>> From: N13472@aol.com
>> Reply-To: yak-list@matronics.com
>> To: yak-list-digest@matronics.com, yak-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Yak-List: Pre / Post Moratorium Aircraft
>> Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 13:18:51 EDT
>>
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: N13472@aol.com
>>
>> Gentlemen I need some info, A neighbor has purchased a Yak 18 its
>> Airworthiness Certificate was issued on 02-02-93 and its operating limits
>> has no
>> distance limitations.
>> We have the following questions.
>>
>> 1. Is it a Pre or Post Moratorium aircraft?
>>
>> 2. Does he have to notify the FSDO for this area? other than sending in the
>> registration
>> change of address?
>>
>> 3. When I moved my CJ from So Cal to Las Vegas the FSDO issued me a new
>> Airworthiness
>> Certificate and Operating limitations. Will he need the same?
>>
>> 4. The log books show the Annual condition inspection sign off in the
>> airframe book only
>> mine is in the engine book as well. Which is correct or is both OK?
>>
>> THANK YOU
>> Tom & Nora Elliott
>> CJ-6A NX63727
>> C-177B N13472
>> 777 Quartz Ave
>> Sandy Valley NV 89019
>> Home 702-723-1223
>> Fax 702-723-1243
>> Cell 702-595-2680 Tom
>> 702-808-1316 Nora
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Upper Cylinder Lubrication on M14P |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Yakkers
I'd like to relate some first hand experience with upper cylinder
lubrication that might make a believer out of some of you.
Since the day I've been flying my YAK I've never run oil in the gas for
an upper cylinder lubricant......despite all the benefits touted from
running oils like MMO you hear so often on the list.
Recently, after the debate about Marvels Mystery Oil, I decided to try
some 2 stroke oil in my gas.
Almost immediately, I started to notice how much smoother the engine
ran. As most of you probly know, the M14P makes for a great foot
massager with it's vibration.
Well, I'm here to tell you that after running 2 stroke oil in my gas the
engine is running much, much smoother. It made an actual "seat of the
pants" difference in how smooth the engine ran. Believe it!!! A GIB I
sometimes fly with said "What did you do? Put in a new engine?
It's running WAYYYYYY smoother!
I suspect the 2 stroke oil is acting to equalize the running compression
ratios of the cylinders. If you think there may be some other mechanism
at work I'd like to hear it......
Well, for me it's a little expensive to run 2 stroke oils considering
our typical fuel burn so I decided to try MMO. It only costs $20 per
gallon out here in the hinterlands (probly cheaper mail order or by
bulk).
Well, I noticed that it still runs as smooth as if I were running the 2
stroke oil (BelRay). MMO is cheaper than most 2 stroke oils and provides
for the same smooth running engine.
So there you have it folks. If you've never run an upper cylinder
lubricant in your engine I suggest you give it a try with an eye towards
a smoother running engine. I think you'll be surprised by the results.
It's made a believer out of me.
Best Of Luck.
Frank
N9110M
YAK-52
L71
PS I don't run the stuff (MMO) in my oil. I do frequent oil changes
instead (oil is changed between 5 to 10 hours running time). I get very
little, if any, oil accumulation in the bottom cylinders even after the
plane has been sitting for a couple of weeks.
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| Subject: | S&Fand bad news. |
--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
Troops,
Your's truly has just won a grudge race sailing regatta. I came in 3rd over
all but beat for the second year running an English lady who's ancestry
included captains of her majesties' Royal Navy back in the days when we were all
rebels.
Heading out to S&F early in the morning. Only :50 minute flight from here.
Bad news. Understand that Ray Gage wrecked his 52TW at Spruce Creek earlier
today. No details except that she is totaled and Ray and passenger are
unhurt.
See ya at ZPH.
Pappy
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| Subject: | Airshow calendar |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Walt Murphy <waltmurphy@charter.net>
It's time to renew my Program letter to the Friendly Aviation Authority
and I can't find the bookmark I had for the airshow calendar.
Does anyone have a favorite site that is user friendly and list the
shows by region ?
Thanks in advance ,
Walt Murphy
CJ6A N68WH
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| Subject: | Re: Upper Cylinder Lubrication on M14P |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Don Glittenberg" <auxtank@boldwireless.net>
INTERESTING! I have been running MMO in my Cessna 180 since day one...I
don't know why it never occurred to me to use it in my YAK? I'll try it.
Don Glittenberg
----- Original Message -----
From: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Subject: Yak-List: Upper Cylinder Lubrication on M14P
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
<yak52driver@earthlink.net>
>
> Yakkers
> I'd like to relate some first hand experience with upper cylinder
> lubrication that might make a believer out of some of you.
>
> Since the day I've been flying my YAK I've never run oil in the gas for
> an upper cylinder lubricant......despite all the benefits touted from
> running oils like MMO you hear so often on the list.
>
> Recently, after the debate about Marvels Mystery Oil, I decided to try
> some 2 stroke oil in my gas.
>
> Almost immediately, I started to notice how much smoother the engine
> ran. As most of you probly know, the M14P makes for a great foot
> massager with it's vibration.
>
> Well, I'm here to tell you that after running 2 stroke oil in my gas the
> engine is running much, much smoother. It made an actual "seat of the
> pants" difference in how smooth the engine ran. Believe it!!! A GIB I
> sometimes fly with said "What did you do? Put in a new engine?
>
> It's running WAYYYYYY smoother!
>
> I suspect the 2 stroke oil is acting to equalize the running compression
> ratios of the cylinders. If you think there may be some other mechanism
> at work I'd like to hear it......
>
> Well, for me it's a little expensive to run 2 stroke oils considering
> our typical fuel burn so I decided to try MMO. It only costs $20 per
> gallon out here in the hinterlands (probly cheaper mail order or by
> bulk).
>
> Well, I noticed that it still runs as smooth as if I were running the 2
> stroke oil (BelRay). MMO is cheaper than most 2 stroke oils and provides
> for the same smooth running engine.
>
> So there you have it folks. If you've never run an upper cylinder
> lubricant in your engine I suggest you give it a try with an eye towards
> a smoother running engine. I think you'll be surprised by the results.
> It's made a believer out of me.
>
> Best Of Luck.
> Frank
> N9110M
> YAK-52
> L71
>
> PS I don't run the stuff (MMO) in my oil. I do frequent oil changes
> instead (oil is changed between 5 to 10 hours running time). I get very
> little, if any, oil accumulation in the bottom cylinders even after the
> plane has been sitting for a couple of weeks.
>
>
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| Subject: | Airshow calendar |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Walt;
Click on the following link and then click "EVENTS". You'll get every
airshow event known to man.........or thereabouts.
http://www.airshows.org/list_events.php
FRANK
N9110M
Yak-52
l71
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| Subject: | Re: Upper Cylinder Lubrication on M14P |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Don Glittenberg wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Don Glittenberg" <auxtank@boldwireless.net>
>
> INTERESTING! I have been running MMO in my Cessna 180 since day one...I
> don't know why it never occurred to me to use it in my YAK? I'll try it.
Hey guys, I have been using Castor oil with my morning coffee for some time
now. I can absolutely attest that I now have much smoother, uh, movements.
Suddenly it struck me that MMO is cheaper than Castor oil so I started using
that instead. What an improvement!
In addition, I can also attest to greater, uh, 'satisfaction' and 'staying
power'. I strongly recommend the use of MMO.
Oh, and have you tried mushrooms sauteed in MMO? Marvelous!
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
brian-yak@lloyd.com Suite 201
http://www.lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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| Subject: | Airshow calendar |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Dennis Lenton" <lenton@waypt.com>
Hi Walt,
Try this
http://www.airshows.org/list_events.php
regards
Dennis Lenton
N107YK
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Walt Murphy
Subject: Yak-List: Airshow calendar
--> Yak-List message posted by: Walt Murphy <waltmurphy@charter.net>
It's time to renew my Program letter to the Friendly Aviation Authority
and I can't find the bookmark I had for the airshow calendar.
Does anyone have a favorite site that is user friendly and list the
shows by region ?
Thanks in advance ,
Walt Murphy
CJ6A N68WH
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| Subject: | Re: Pre / Post Moratorium Aircraft clamav-milter version |
0.80j on raptor.cscweb.net
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <DSAVARESE@ELMORE.RR.COM>
Jim,
I suspect that if you relocate to outside of the northeastern states where
the OL's say the airplane may operate, you will most likely have to have a
new set of OL's with the latest version of FAA Order 8130.2x which includes
OL's with naming a home base airport. And with the issuance of new OL's
automatically comes a new C of A. They are "married" together. Then
unfortunately, your airplane will no longer be a pre-moratorium airplane.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Ivey" <jim@jimivey.com>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Pre / Post Moratorium Aircraft clamav-milter version
0.80j on raptor.cscweb.net
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Jim Ivey <jim@jimivey.com>
>
> This brings up a curious point. My CJ is pre-moratorium with a C of A of
> unlimited expiry. However, the Operating Limitations state certain
> northeastern states where the airplane may operate along with to and
> from Texas
> for maintenance. What if I want to base the airplane elsewhere? Am I
> likely to
> have to surrender the C of A to get operating limits allowing flight in
> the new
> area? Or can I merely request new OL's and keep the C of A?
>
> Jim Ivey
>
> Quoting Daniel Fortin <fougapilot@hotmail.com>:
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Daniel Fortin" <fougapilot@hotmail.com>
> >
> > The local FSDO may try to give him some BS about him needing to
re-certify
> > the airplane. It is just that, a bunch of BS. My FOuga, (forth
imported in
> > the Us) is Pre-moratorium. When I moved it, the local FSDO refused to
issue
> > me an LOA based on the fact I had been trained on an airplane that did
not
> > have a valid CofA, he then request (verbally) I send him my CofA and
apply
> > for certification failure of which I would be prosecuted to the full
extent
> > of the law. I politely ask him to specify where on my CofA it was
written
> > that it was no longer valid, and when he couldn't, told him if he wanted
it,
> > he would have to ask it in writing.
> >
> > My next phone call was to the EAA, those membership fees we pay every
year
> > do come handy once in a while. Spoke to their Gov affair people and was
> > provided the exact FAA order the FSDO was basing his "law" on. First
line
> > says, "This order does not apply to airplane certified before (i forgot
the
> > exact date) 1993". Faxed it to the supervisor of the individual I
> > originally spoke to and my LOA arrived like magic in the mail the
following
> > week.
> >
> > Under no circumstance should you hand out the CofA of a Pre moratorium
> > aircraft to the FAA. Big mistake. The Eaa can and will help you make
the
> > FAA see the light.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Dan
> >
> >> From: N13472@aol.com
> >> Reply-To: yak-list@matronics.com
> >> To: yak-list-digest@matronics.com, yak-list@matronics.com
> >> Subject: Yak-List: Pre / Post Moratorium Aircraft
> >> Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 13:18:51 EDT
> >>
> >> --> Yak-List message posted by: N13472@aol.com
> >>
> >> Gentlemen I need some info, A neighbor has purchased a Yak 18 its
> >> Airworthiness Certificate was issued on 02-02-93 and its operating
limits
> >> has no
> >> distance limitations.
> >> We have the following questions.
> >>
> >> 1. Is it a Pre or Post Moratorium aircraft?
> >>
> >> 2. Does he have to notify the FSDO for this area? other than sending in
the
> >> registration
> >> change of address?
> >>
> >> 3. When I moved my CJ from So Cal to Las Vegas the FSDO issued me a new
> >> Airworthiness
> >> Certificate and Operating limitations. Will he need the same?
> >>
> >> 4. The log books show the Annual condition inspection sign off in the
> >> airframe book only
> >> mine is in the engine book as well. Which is correct or is both
OK?
> >>
> >> THANK YOU
> >> Tom & Nora Elliott
> >> CJ-6A NX63727
> >> C-177B N13472
> >> 777 Quartz Ave
> >> Sandy Valley NV 89019
> >> Home 702-723-1223
> >> Fax 702-723-1243
> >> Cell 702-595-2680 Tom
> >> 702-808-1316 Nora
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Upper Cylinder Lubrication on M14P |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
Actually I started putting lighter fluid in my Martini's years ago, I
then read the thread on MMO so I switched. Makes you poop purple,
otherwise has fixed my stammering, and I also dont shake as much in
the mornings after tying a big one on the night before.
Ernie
On Apr 9, 2005 9:55 PM, Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com> wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
>
>
> Don Glittenberg wrote:
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Don Glittenberg" <auxtank@boldwireless.net>
> >
> > INTERESTING! I have been running MMO in my Cessna 180 since day one...I
> > don't know why it never occurred to me to use it in my YAK? I'll try it.
>
> Hey guys, I have been using Castor oil with my morning coffee for some time
> now. I can absolutely attest that I now have much smoother, uh, movements.
> Suddenly it struck me that MMO is cheaper than Castor oil so I started using
> that instead. What an improvement!
>
> In addition, I can also attest to greater, uh, 'satisfaction' and 'staying
> power'. I strongly recommend the use of MMO.
>
> Oh, and have you tried mushrooms sauteed in MMO? Marvelous!
>
> --
> Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
> brian-yak@lloyd.com Suite 201
> http://www.lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
> +1.340.998.9447 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
>
> I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
> - Antoine de Saint-Exupery
>
>
>
>
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