Yak-List Digest Archive

Wed 04/20/05


Total Messages Posted: 20



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 02:52 AM - Re: Ebay Panel (Doug Sapp)
     2. 04:24 AM - Re: Program Letter (Daniel Fortin)
     3. 05:40 AM - Re: Occasional Miss (A. Dennis Savarese)
     4. 06:11 AM - Re: Occasional Miss (Roger Doc Kemp)
     5. 06:26 AM - Occasional Miss (Richard Goode)
     6. 06:29 AM - ADs/Service Bulletins (Richard Goode)
     7. 06:33 AM - Occasional Miss (Frank Haertlein)
     8. 06:51 AM - Re: Occasional Miss (A. Dennis Savarese)
     9. 06:54 AM - Re: Occasional Miss (Roger Doc Kemp)
    10. 07:53 AM - Re: Re: XM radio (Ernest Martinez)
    11. 10:45 AM - Re: Occasional Miss (Brian Lloyd)
    12. 10:47 AM - Re: ADs/Service Bulletins (Brian Lloyd)
    13. 11:29 AM - Re: Occasional Miss (Doug Sapp)
    14. 11:35 AM - Re: Occasional Miss (A. Dennis Savarese)
    15. 11:36 AM - FPR (Fort Pierce Florida) airshow. (cjpilot710@aol.com)
    16. 03:19 PM - Re: Program Letter (ADE)
    17. 04:20 PM - Occasional Miss (egon)
    18. 04:43 PM - Re: Occasional Miss (Roger Doc Kemp)
    19. 04:53 PM - Re: Occasional Miss (Bitterlich GS11 Mark G)
    20. 06:10 PM - Re: Occasional Miss (A. Dennis Savarese)
 
 
 


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    Time: 02:52:28 AM PST US
    From: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
    Subject: Ebay Panel
    --> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com> I think it is Matt Cochrane, he sold most of his CJ on Ebay, but held back his panel and avionics, it's a good buy if you need all the gear. Always Yakin, Doug Sapp -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of cpayne@joimail.com Subject: Yak-List: Ebay Panel --> Yak-List message posted by: "cpayne@joimail.com" <cpayne@joimail.com> So who in Melbourne, FL has the custom CJ panel for sale on Ebay? Why?? Craig Payne


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    Time: 04:24:19 AM PST US
    From: "Daniel Fortin" <fougapilot@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Program Letter
    --> Yak-List message posted by: "Daniel Fortin" <fougapilot@hotmail.com> Jim, If I were you, I would call the EAA gouv affair for guidance before I went too far with this. There must be another way to do this. Some of the people now on the EAA payroll are exFAA and actually wrote the order used to certify Warbird. They know this stuff better then anyone else. If my memory serves me right, I spoke to Earl Lawrence (920 426-6522) when I had a beef with the FAA regarding my Fouga. This was a few years back, don't really know if he still work there, but definitely worth a try before it is too late. Hope this helps. Dan >From: Jay Land <jland@popeandland.com> >Reply-To: yak-list@matronics.com >To: <yak-list@matronics.com> >Subject: Re: Yak-List: Program Letter >Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 18:24:59 -0400 > >--> Yak-List message posted by: Jay Land <jland@popeandland.com> > >I don't think you have to do that and personally would not give up the >pre-moratorium value that your aircraft has.... > > > > From: Jim Ivey <jim@jimivey.com> > > Reply-To: <yak-list@matronics.com> > > Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 15:05:00 -0600 > > To: <yak-list@matronics.com> > > Subject: Yak-List: Program Letter > > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Ivey" <jim@jimivey.com> > > > > Anybody have a sample program letter? I am in the process of turning my > > pre-moratorium airplane into one with operating limitations and program > > letter. I have to do this because my new base of operations is not >covered > > under the original op limits. > > > > Jim Ivey > > CJ-6 > > N46YK > > > > > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 05:40:31 AM PST US
    From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <DSAVARESE@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Occasional Miss
    --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <DSAVARESE@ELMORE.RR.COM> A misfiring problem can be caused by many things. First when it occurs, see if you can isolate the misfire to one of the two mags. Then we can go from there. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: "egon" <egon@hinet.net.au> Subject: Yak-List: Occasional Miss > --> Yak-List message posted by: "egon" <egon@hinet.net.au> > > Hi all, > I am having a small problem with my Yak 52 and I thought I would run it by you all. Occasionally when flying at high speed ( 180 plus kts.) there is a sudden and usually short miss. Power setting is 80% and 800 mm. It has also happened at 70%. The engine is otherwise very smooth. I was wondering whether the carb is set up a little on the lean side but that is only a guess. Has anyone seen or heard of this before?? Thanks in anticipation. Cheers. > >


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    Time: 06:11:47 AM PST US
    From: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
    Subject: Occasional Miss
    --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com> Will dicuss this with you off line. Doc > [Original Message] > From: egon <egon@hinet.net.au> > To: <yak-list@matronics.com> > Date: 4/20/2005 12:43:13 AM > Subject: Yak-List: Occasional Miss > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "egon" <egon@hinet.net.au> > > Hi all, > I am having a small problem with my Yak 52 and I thought I would run it by you all. Occasionally when flying at high speed ( 180 plus kts.) there is a sudden and usually short miss. Power setting is 80% and 800 mm. It has also happened at 70%. The engine is otherwise very smooth. I was wondering whether the carb is set up a little on the lean side but that is only a guess. Has anyone seen or heard of this before?? Thanks in anticipation. Cheers. > >


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    Time: 06:26:43 AM PST US
    From: "Richard Goode" <richard.goode@russianaeros.com>
    Subject: Occasional Miss
    --> Yak-List message posted by: "Richard Goode" <richard.goode@russianaeros.com> Although seeming like fuel, we have found that these problems are almost always electrical on the high-tension side. Very common for an engine to work perfectly for 20-minutes/30-minutes, and then misfire etc. In Egon=92s case I suspect would continue to get worse, but would suspect electrical. Richard Goode Richard Goode Aerobatics Rhodds Farm Lyonshall Herefordshire HR5 3LW United Kingdom Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120 Mob: +44 (0) 7768 610389 Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129 www.russianaeros.com dangerous content by the http://www.invictawiz.com MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.


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    Time: 06:29:25 AM PST US
    From: "Richard Goode" <richard.goode@russianaeros.com>
    Subject: ADs/Service Bulletins
    --> Yak-List message posted by: "Richard Goode" <richard.goode@russianaeros.com> Jerry Painter raises a good point about these.=20 Historically we have found that most operators in the US have either been blissfully ignorant or not terribly interested in Service Bulletins. Certainly in the UK our CAA are much more aware of these, and, by and large, insist on full compliance. There are also a large number of Service Bulletins. We have all of them for Yak-18T/Yak-50/Yak-52 (widely available through Aerostar anyway)/Yak-55. We also have them for Vedeneyev. HOWEVER we are talking about many many hundreds of pages in Russian, which is fine if you operate with Russian engineers as we do. It would be a mammoth task to translate all Service Bulletins for all aircraft. In addition, it is fair to note that many are trivial, but many critical! What do people want to do? Richard Goode Richard Goode Aerobatics Rhodds Farm Lyonshall Herefordshire HR5 3LW United Kingdom Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120 Mob: +44 (0) 7768 610389 Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129 www.russianaeros.com dangerous content by the http://www.invictawiz.com MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.


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    Time: 06:33:48 AM PST US
    From: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Occasional Miss
    --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net> Egon The exact same thing you describe used to happen to me. The engine would stumble at prolonged high speed. I'm not sure what the cause was. The front louvers weren't installed while this was happening. I installed new louvers along with the new carb and then the problem went away. I always suspected one of three things...shock cooling, bad carb or possibly a resonance developing across the carb inlet (kind of like blowing across the top of a bottle to make a tone). Just for grins, try closing the scoop and see if it still happens. Frank N9110M YAK-52 L71


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    Time: 06:51:51 AM PST US
    From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <DSAVARESE@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Occasional Miss
    --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <DSAVARESE@ELMORE.RR.COM> Richard is 100% correct. If the miss occurs after 20 to 30 minutes of flight, based on experience I would suspect a bad coil in one of the mags. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Goode" <richard.goode@russianaeros.com> Subject: Yak-List: Occasional Miss > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Richard Goode" <richard.goode@russianaeros.com> > > Although seeming like fuel, we have found that these problems are almost always electrical on the high-tension side. > > > Very common for an engine to work perfectly for 20-minutes/30-minutes, and then misfire etc. > > > In Egon=92s case I suspect would continue to get worse, but would suspect electrical. > > > Richard Goode > > > Richard Goode Aerobatics > Rhodds Farm > Lyonshall > Herefordshire > HR5 3LW > United Kingdom > > Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120 > Mob: +44 (0) 7768 610389 > Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129 > www.russianaeros.com > > dangerous content by the http://www.invictawiz.com > MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. > >


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    Time: 06:54:08 AM PST US
    From: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
    Subject: Occasional Miss
    --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com> Would suspect the coil and specifically the paper capacitor in the coil, personally. Doc > [Original Message] > From: Richard Goode <richard.goode@russianaeros.com> > To: YAK USA LIST <yak-list@matronics.com> > Date: 4/20/2005 8:26:32 AM > Subject: Yak-List: Occasional Miss > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Richard Goode" <richard.goode@russianaeros.com> > > Although seeming like fuel, we have found that these problems are almost always electrical on the high-tension side. > > > Very common for an engine to work perfectly for 20-minutes/30-minutes, and then misfire etc. > > > In Egon=92s case I suspect would continue to get worse, but would suspect electrical. > > > Richard Goode > > > Richard Goode Aerobatics > Rhodds Farm > Lyonshall > Herefordshire > HR5 3LW > United Kingdom > > Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120 > Mob: +44 (0) 7768 610389 > Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129 > www.russianaeros.com > > dangerous content by the http://www.invictawiz.com > MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. > >


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    Time: 07:53:20 AM PST US
    From: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: XM radio
    --> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com> Thats not exactly correct. While XM does have a weather service, you need a special receiver to subscribe to that info. Your run of the mill XM music receiver will not give you the weather service. Ernie On 4/20/05, craigw <rupilot@nvbell.net> wrote: > --> Yak-List message posted by: "craigw" <rupilot@nvbell.net> > > Xm provides weather data to you display in real time for airplanes. to me > that is enough to have it > http://chrome.xmradio.com/weather/index.jsp > > >


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    Time: 10:45:30 AM PST US
    From: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
    Subject: Re: Occasional Miss
    --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com> Roger Doc Kemp wrote: > Occasionally when flying at high speed ( 180 plus kts.) there > is a sudden and usually short miss. Power setting is 80% and 800 mm. It has > also happened at 70%. One of the key factors is manifold pressure which determines cylinder pressure when the plug fires. If the problem occurs at higher manifold pressure (800mm is reasonably high) but not at lower MAP, look for a plug misfiring or a wire breaking down. The higher the cylinder pressure, the higher the voltage needed to fire the plug and the more likely it is that the high voltage will take a different path than the one through the gap on the plug. BTW, the admonition to try it on different mags will help eliminate half the plugs and wiring in your troubleshooting. Generally speaking, if the problem is carburation it will be a more or less steady-state problem rather the a momentary transient one. -- Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza brian-yak@lloyd.com Suite 201 http://www.lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802 +1.340.998.9447 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax) I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . . - Antoine de Saint-Exupery


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    Time: 10:47:50 AM PST US
    From: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
    Subject: Re: ADs/Service Bulletins
    --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com> Richard Goode wrote: > HOWEVER we are talking about many many hundreds of pages in Russian, which is fine if you operate with Russian engineers as we do. It would be a mammoth task to translate all Service Bulletins for all aircraft. > > > In addition, it is fair to note that many are trivial, but many critical! > > > What do people want to do? If I were you and had the capability, I would offer it as a subscription service. People could pay for the information. I suspect that shops specializing in the CJ6A and Yak variants would subscribe. Alternatively something like the RPA could allocate funds to do this. (Now there would be a truly useful service.) -- Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza brian-yak@lloyd.com Suite 201 http://www.lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802 +1.340.998.9447 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax) I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . . - Antoine de Saint-Exupery


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    Time: 11:29:37 AM PST US
    From: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
    Subject: Occasional Miss
    --> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com> Geeze I love this list! Every one has a idea and they are all good ideas to boot, but I guess that's why were here...............but in light of the past postings, I am ashamed of all of you, not one of you thought to suggest the cure all properties of MMO!! ;O) Here is my shot at it. Since he noted a airspeed faster than cruise, we have to assume that he is pointed down hill, no offense intended guys, but that's the only way you can herd a 52 that fast. Since it is rather hot there this time of year he might be getting a bit of condensation if he is not keeping his tanks full and just maybe in the nose down position he is freeing up that bit of water that would normally not be a problem in level flight. Just one more idea, but I personally am leaning towards recommending MMO! Always Yakin, Doug Sapp -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd Subject: Re: Yak-List: Occasional Miss --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com> Roger Doc Kemp wrote: > Occasionally when flying at high speed ( 180 plus kts.) there > is a sudden and usually short miss. Power setting is 80% and 800 mm. It has > also happened at 70%. One of the key factors is manifold pressure which determines cylinder pressure when the plug fires. If the problem occurs at higher manifold pressure (800mm is reasonably high) but not at lower MAP, look for a plug misfiring or a wire breaking down. The higher the cylinder pressure, the higher the voltage needed to fire the plug and the more likely it is that the high voltage will take a different path than the one through the gap on the plug. BTW, the admonition to try it on different mags will help eliminate half the plugs and wiring in your troubleshooting. Generally speaking, if the problem is carburation it will be a more or less steady-state problem rather the a momentary transient one. -- Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza brian-yak@lloyd.com Suite 201 http://www.lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802 +1.340.998.9447 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax) I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . . - Antoine de Saint-Exupery


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    Time: 11:35:08 AM PST US
    From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <DSAVARESE@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Occasional Miss
    --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <DSAVARESE@ELMORE.RR.COM> To eliminate the plugs and wires misfiring problem, take a look at the automotive plugs and wires conversion kit for the M14 on my web site; www.yak-52.com. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Lloyd" <brian-yak@lloyd.com> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Occasional Miss > --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com> > > Roger Doc Kemp wrote: > > Occasionally when flying at high speed ( 180 plus kts.) there > > is a sudden and usually short miss. Power setting is 80% and 800 mm. It has > > also happened at 70%. > > One of the key factors is manifold pressure which determines cylinder pressure > when the plug fires. If the problem occurs at higher manifold pressure (800mm > is reasonably high) but not at lower MAP, look for a plug misfiring or a wire > breaking down. The higher the cylinder pressure, the higher the voltage needed > to fire the plug and the more likely it is that the high voltage will take a > different path than the one through the gap on the plug. > > BTW, the admonition to try it on different mags will help eliminate half the > plugs and wiring in your troubleshooting. > > Generally speaking, if the problem is carburation it will be a more or less > steady-state problem rather the a momentary transient one. > > -- > Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza > brian-yak@lloyd.com Suite 201 > http://www.lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802 > +1.340.998.9447 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax) > > I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . . > - Antoine de Saint-Exupery > >


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    Time: 11:36:51 AM PST US
    From: cjpilot710@aol.com
    Subject: FPR (Fort Pierce Florida) airshow.
    --> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com RPA guys, John Stephenson, Walt Orth. I need 4 pilots for the Fort Pierce (FPR) airshow. May 20-21-22. So far I have Craig Payne and Bill Mills on the list. Two of the other guys had to drop out and I need two (2) more. (Jim Plumlee are you still interested?) Fuel, rooms, and local transportation provided. Pilots must have FAST card, commercial and current 2nd class physicals. The group will play the part of German a/c in the show, and will be "shot down" by a P-51. The airshow people will put vinyl German insignias on the airplanes for the show. These will not damage your paint job. You may do media rides at your discretion and at their cost. Because of my needing to fly the B-24 for the Collings Foundation on that date, I'll not be able to lead the group and former F-18 lead, Bill Mills, will take my place. I need to get this firmed out for FPR folks very soon. Need help. First come, first served. Contact me off list. Jim "Pappy" Goolsby 386-467-3313 home


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    Time: 03:19:35 PM PST US
    From: ADE <coolade@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: Program Letter
    --> Yak-List message posted by: ADE <coolade@cox.net> On Apr 19, 2005, at 4:05 PM, Jim Ivey wrote: > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Ivey" <jim@jimivey.com> > > Anybody have a sample program letter? I am in the process of turning > my > pre-moratorium airplane into one with operating limitations and program > letter. I have to do this because my new base of operations is not > covered > under the original op limits. > > Jim Ivey > CJ-6 > N46YK > >


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    Time: 04:20:39 PM PST US
    From: "egon" <egon@hinet.net.au>
    Subject: Occasional Miss
    --> Yak-List message posted by: "egon" <egon@hinet.net.au> Thankyou everyone who replied to my post. This list is a terrific resource! Just to clarify the symptoms. The engie will run dead smooth all day long in cruise or climb. The symptom only occurs at high speed nose down. With a nose down attitude and reduced power eg final approach...there is no problem. The first time this occured the misfire lasted for several seconds and ceased as I pulled the nose up and reduced speed. ( really got my interest! ) The most recent event lasted only 1 second. Once again thankyou all. I will do some more trouble shooting and report back. Cheers from Down Under.


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    Time: 04:43:30 PM PST US
    From: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
    Subject: Occasional Miss
    --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com> If that is the case, I doubt its the mags. It is probably more along the lines of what Doug Sap said. Doc > [Original Message] > From: egon <egon@hinet.net.au> > To: <yak-list@matronics.com> > Date: 4/20/2005 6:20:04 PM > Subject: Yak-List: Occasional Miss > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "egon" <egon@hinet.net.au> > > Thankyou everyone who replied to my post. This list is a terrific resource! Just to clarify the symptoms. The engie will run dead smooth all day long in cruise or climb. The symptom only occurs at high speed nose down. With a nose down attitude and reduced power eg final approach...there is no problem. The first time this occured the misfire lasted for several seconds and ceased as I pulled the nose up and reduced speed. ( really got my interest! ) The most recent event lasted only 1 second. Once again thankyou all. I will do some more trouble shooting and report back. > Cheers from Down Under. > >


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    Time: 04:53:37 PM PST US
    From: Bitterlich GS11 Mark G <BitterlichMG@cherrypoint.usmc.mil>
    Subject: Occasional Miss
    --> Yak-List message posted by: Bitterlich GS11 Mark G <BitterlichMG@cherrypoint.usmc.mil> Everyone seems to think that this one is electrical. Normally, I would agree. Most of the M-14's I have worked on that have had "the hard to find miss" have indeed in most cases turned out to be electrical. Wires, plugs, Mags, coils... SOMETHING electrical. What bothers me here is the fact that this aircraft only seems to screw up going downhill and then only at a very high speed with power on. On every "the engine is missing" gripe that I have ever seen, it usually is worse when heading UPHILL.... typically something like straight up, right before you tail slide, or hammer it. That said, I am going to go out on a limb here and throw my 2 cents in and say... I think it is fuel related. I suspect I may have to eat these words by the way, but I'll take the chance anyway. So.... after you have tried all the other suggestions, and only if they fail....... My guess is that there is indeed something that changes when you are coming downhill fast and that is the barostat that controls fuel mixture with altitude. It that thing sticks just a little, the engine would go lean and would miss. All it would have to do would be to stick just a tiny bit. It would also explain the changes in the TIME DURATION of the miss. Dare I suggest MMO and a LOT of it for one tank of fuel??? (He says running for cover) Anyway... suggest getting a good diagram of the carb and checking to make absolutely sure there is no blockage to the air ports at all, and to check the setting of the barostat ... which is not all that hard to do. There is a chart that shows length of the rod, you just read off the value with your local barometric setting and measure. If the aircraft ALWAYS does it on every flight by the way... also would suggest going a few clicks rich (as in 1 or 2) on the mixture and see if it helps. Mark N50YK -----Original Message----- From: egon [mailto:egon@hinet.net.au] Subject: Yak-List: Occasional Miss --> Yak-List message posted by: "egon" <egon@hinet.net.au> Thankyou everyone who replied to my post. This list is a terrific resource! Just to clarify the symptoms. The engie will run dead smooth all day long in cruise or climb. The symptom only occurs at high speed nose down. With a nose down attitude and reduced power eg final approach...there is no problem. The first time this occured the misfire lasted for several seconds and ceased as I pulled the nose up and reduced speed. ( really got my interest! ) The most recent event lasted only 1 second. Once again thankyou all. I will do some more trouble shooting and report back. Cheers from Down Under.


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    Time: 06:10:19 PM PST US
    From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <DSAVARESE@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Occasional Miss
    --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <DSAVARESE@ELMORE.RR.COM> Good point Mark. I wonder if he has cleaned the fine fuel screen? I'd check it anyway. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bitterlich GS11 Mark G" <BitterlichMG@cherrypoint.usmc.mil> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Occasional Miss > --> Yak-List message posted by: Bitterlich GS11 Mark G <BitterlichMG@cherrypoint.usmc.mil> > > Everyone seems to think that this one is electrical. Normally, I would > agree. Most of the M-14's I have worked on that have had "the hard to find > miss" have indeed in most cases turned out to be electrical. Wires, plugs, > Mags, coils... SOMETHING electrical. > > What bothers me here is the fact that this aircraft only seems to screw up > going downhill and then only at a very high speed with power on. On every > "the engine is missing" gripe that I have ever seen, it usually is worse > when heading UPHILL.... typically something like straight up, right before > you tail slide, or hammer it. > > That said, I am going to go out on a limb here and throw my 2 cents in and > say... I think it is fuel related. I suspect I may have to eat these words > by the way, but I'll take the chance anyway. > > So.... after you have tried all the other suggestions, and only if they > fail....... > > My guess is that there is indeed something that changes when you are coming > downhill fast and that is the barostat that controls fuel mixture with > altitude. It that thing sticks just a little, the engine would go lean and > would miss. All it would have to do would be to stick just a tiny bit. It > would also explain the changes in the TIME DURATION of the miss. Dare I > suggest MMO and a LOT of it for one tank of fuel??? (He says running for > cover) Anyway... suggest getting a good diagram of the carb and checking to > make absolutely sure there is no blockage to the air ports at all, and to > check the setting of the barostat ... which is not all that hard to do. > There is a chart that shows length of the rod, you just read off the value > with your local barometric setting and measure. If the aircraft ALWAYS does > it on every flight by the way... also would suggest going a few clicks rich > (as in 1 or 2) on the mixture and see if it helps. > > Mark > N50YK > > -----Original Message----- > From: egon [mailto:egon@hinet.net.au] > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Subject: Yak-List: Occasional Miss > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "egon" <egon@hinet.net.au> > > Thankyou everyone who replied to my post. This list is a terrific resource! > Just to clarify the symptoms. The engie will run dead smooth all day long in > cruise or climb. The symptom only occurs at high speed nose down. With a > nose down attitude and reduced power eg final approach...there is no > problem. The first time this occured the misfire lasted for several seconds > and ceased as I pulled the nose up and reduced speed. ( really got my > interest! ) The most recent event lasted only 1 second. Once again thankyou > all. I will do some more trouble shooting and report back. > Cheers from Down Under. > >




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