Today's Message Index:
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1. 07:03 AM - T6 down and RUMORS (Tom Johnson)
2. 08:04 AM - Off to Red Star (Num1Pilot@aol.com)
3. 10:49 AM - Re: Off to Red Star (Roger Doc Kemp)
4. 02:28 PM - Yak 52 Gear (Bitterlich GS11 Mark G)
5. 02:45 PM - Re: T6 down (cpayne@joimail.com)
6. 04:01 PM - Re: Re: T6 down (Roger Doc Kemp)
7. 07:58 PM - Re: Yak 52 Gear (Walter Lannon)
8. 08:16 PM - Re: Re: T6 down (Walter Lannon)
9. 08:52 PM - Re: Re: T6 down (Roger Doc Kemp)
10. 10:04 PM - Off to Red Star (Doug Sapp)
11. 10:16 PM - Re: Off to Red Star (Mark Schrick)
12. 10:18 PM - CHT HELP! (Cathie)
13. 10:39 PM - Re: Off to Red Star (Doug Sapp)
14. 11:23 PM - Re: Off to Red Star (Mark Schrick)
15. 11:48 PM - Re: Off to Red Star (Doug Sapp)
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| Subject: | T6 down and RUMORS |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Tom Johnson" <tjohnson@cannonaviation.com>
Gentleman:
Please DO NOT start rumors about accidents.
The T6 that went down was NOT damaged in a hurricane.
The operation in Florida does NOT participate in ACM training.
Tom JOhnson
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Num1Pilot@aol.com
Hope to see you all on the Left Coast at Castle this weekend. I am leaving
in an hour or so for All Red Star. The weather is going to be great!
See you there!
Postal
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Go Postal. Sorry but a few of us Southerners have to work.
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: <Num1Pilot@aol.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 5/11/2005 10:03:31 AM
> Subject: Yak-List: Off to Red Star
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Num1Pilot@aol.com
>
> Hope to see you all on the Left Coast at Castle this weekend. I am
leaving
> in an hour or so for All Red Star. The weather is going to be great!
>
> See you there!
> Postal
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Bitterlich GS11 Mark G <BitterlichMG@cherrypoint.usmc.mil>
A fellow I know at my local airport just had an incident where the left gear
slowly collapsed upon landing. He claims that he had good down and locked
indications. I know exactly how the landing gear on a 50 works, but am not
100% on a 52. My belief is that the landing gear actuators themselves have
locking balls internal to the actuator that are indeed what holds the gear
down and LOCKED...but I am not 100% sure of this since I have never worked
on one.
Any comments on the actuator and if something can break allowing what
happened here to happen... would be appreciated.
Mark Bitterlich
N50YK
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "cpayne@joimail.com" <cpayne@joimail.com>
TJ,
Nobody is STARTING rumors. I never implied that ACM was
being simulated; however they do fly acro, this I have seen.
Yes it was T-6 #3 that went down in a remote area where
recovery crew had to get to with a bulldozer. #3 was not
damaged by hurricanes but did have wing attach angles and
bolts replaced. One wing was located displaced from the
wreckage; cause undetermined at this time.
Many in my area know this operation and the good folks that
operate it up to the best of their ability and professional
standards. However, as when doing any acro, *stuff* could
happen. All of us Yakkers should observe good practices such
as aerobatic prefighting and being careful not to exceed
operational limits....sometimes our guys get into the
excitment of the chase when we are in extended trail.
Craig Payne
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
All the more reason to know what you fly and fly what you know. Before we
pass judgement on the dead man, we need to wait on the NTSB report. That
being said, ACM should be left in Pandora's Box for the vast majority of
the YAK'rs. Those with ACM training pair up with similar types, do a gut
check and press on if that lights your fire. But teaching it to novices,
I'm sure I do not want to be in the boat. I'm going to shut up because this
will probably restart the To ACM or not To ACM thread. ACM is a surefire
way to over G an airplane. I'm not sure I have ever seen what the rolling G
limit is on this airplane.
If some are so inclined, go for it. Its your airplane, your ass, our
insurance rates, and our reputation if you bust something.
Nuff said,
Doc
YAK-52 N552SH
> [Original Message]
> From: cpayne@joimail.com <cpayne@joimail.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 5/11/2005 4:44:23 PM
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: T6 down
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "cpayne@joimail.com" <cpayne@joimail.com>
>
> TJ,
>
> Nobody is STARTING rumors. I never implied that ACM was
> being simulated; however they do fly acro, this I have seen.
> Yes it was T-6 #3 that went down in a remote area where
> recovery crew had to get to with a bulldozer. #3 was not
> damaged by hurricanes but did have wing attach angles and
> bolts replaced. One wing was located displaced from the
> wreckage; cause undetermined at this time.
>
> Many in my area know this operation and the good folks that
> operate it up to the best of their ability and professional
> standards. However, as when doing any acro, *stuff* could
> happen. All of us Yakkers should observe good practices such
> as aerobatic prefighting and being careful not to exceed
> operational limits....sometimes our guys get into the
> excitment of the chase when we are in extended trail.
>
> Craig Payne
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Walter Lannon" <wlannon@cablerocket.com>
Mark;
The ball lock assembly is not the down lock per se. That is the function of
the over center position of the drag link, side stay or strut. Gear
collapse loads are reacted directly through this component preventing any
such loading reaching the gear actuators.
Were this not so severe loading of an extended actuator would result in gear
collapse by bending of the actuator rod with the ball lock engaged (assuming
the ball lock is capable of carrying that load, it may not be). This applies
to the CJ nose gear and, I expect, all three on the Yak 52. (The CJ main
gear actuators are retracted for gear down)
The purpose of the ball lock is exactly the same as the over-center latch on
most western aircraft. It keeps the down lock strut in the over center
position. Without this feature rough ground, bounces, etc. could cause loss
of over-center and gear collapse.
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bitterlich GS11 Mark G" <BitterlichMG@cherrypoint.usmc.mil>
Subject: Yak-List: Yak 52 Gear
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Bitterlich GS11 Mark G
> <BitterlichMG@cherrypoint.usmc.mil>
>
>
> A fellow I know at my local airport just had an incident where the left
> gear
> slowly collapsed upon landing. He claims that he had good down and locked
> indications. I know exactly how the landing gear on a 50 works, but am
> not
> 100% on a 52. My belief is that the landing gear actuators themselves
> have
> locking balls internal to the actuator that are indeed what holds the gear
> down and LOCKED...but I am not 100% sure of this since I have never worked
> on one.
>
> Any comments on the actuator and if something can break allowing what
> happened here to happen... would be appreciated.
>
> Mark Bitterlich
> N50YK
>
>
>
Message 8
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Walter Lannon" <wlannon@cablerocket.com>
Maximum turning/rolling limit for the CJ6 is 3.6 G. That is 60% of max.
level limit of 6 G
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: T6 down
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>
> All the more reason to know what you fly and fly what you know. Before we
> pass judgement on the dead man, we need to wait on the NTSB report. That
> being said, ACM should be left in Pandora's Box for the vast majority of
> the YAK'rs. Those with ACM training pair up with similar types, do a gut
> check and press on if that lights your fire. But teaching it to novices,
> I'm sure I do not want to be in the boat. I'm going to shut up because
> this
> will probably restart the To ACM or not To ACM thread. ACM is a surefire
> way to over G an airplane. I'm not sure I have ever seen what the rolling
> G
> limit is on this airplane.
> If some are so inclined, go for it. Its your airplane, your ass, our
> insurance rates, and our reputation if you bust something.
> Nuff said,
> Doc
> YAK-52 N552SH
>
>
>> [Original Message]
>> From: cpayne@joimail.com <cpayne@joimail.com>
>> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
>> Date: 5/11/2005 4:44:23 PM
>> Subject: Yak-List: Re: T6 down
>>
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "cpayne@joimail.com" <cpayne@joimail.com>
>>
>> TJ,
>>
>> Nobody is STARTING rumors. I never implied that ACM was
>> being simulated; however they do fly acro, this I have seen.
>> Yes it was T-6 #3 that went down in a remote area where
>> recovery crew had to get to with a bulldozer. #3 was not
>> damaged by hurricanes but did have wing attach angles and
>> bolts replaced. One wing was located displaced from the
>> wreckage; cause undetermined at this time.
>>
>> Many in my area know this operation and the good folks that
>> operate it up to the best of their ability and professional
>> standards. However, as when doing any acro, *stuff* could
>> happen. All of us Yakkers should observe good practices such
>> as aerobatic prefighting and being careful not to exceed
>> operational limits....sometimes our guys get into the
>> excitment of the chase when we are in extended trail.
>>
>> Craig Payne
>>
>>
>
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
And just think, that desending left breakturn to honor a rollin with your
head looking to your deep 6.....hum....can be at 3.6 in no time. My how G's
can creep up on ya.
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: Walter Lannon <wlannon@cablerocket.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 5/11/2005 10:16:04 PM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: T6 down
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Walter Lannon" <wlannon@cablerocket.com>
>
> Maximum turning/rolling limit for the CJ6 is 3.6 G. That is 60% of max.
> level limit of 6 G
>
> Walt
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: T6 down
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp"
<viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> >
> > All the more reason to know what you fly and fly what you know. Before
we
> > pass judgement on the dead man, we need to wait on the NTSB report. That
> > being said, ACM should be left in Pandora's Box for the vast majority of
> > the YAK'rs. Those with ACM training pair up with similar types, do a gut
> > check and press on if that lights your fire. But teaching it to novices,
> > I'm sure I do not want to be in the boat. I'm going to shut up because
> > this
> > will probably restart the To ACM or not To ACM thread. ACM is a surefire
> > way to over G an airplane. I'm not sure I have ever seen what the
rolling
> > G
> > limit is on this airplane.
> > If some are so inclined, go for it. Its your airplane, your ass, our
> > insurance rates, and our reputation if you bust something.
> > Nuff said,
> > Doc
> > YAK-52 N552SH
> >
> >
> >> [Original Message]
> >> From: cpayne@joimail.com <cpayne@joimail.com>
> >> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> >> Date: 5/11/2005 4:44:23 PM
> >> Subject: Yak-List: Re: T6 down
> >>
> >> --> Yak-List message posted by: "cpayne@joimail.com"
<cpayne@joimail.com>
> >>
> >> TJ,
> >>
> >> Nobody is STARTING rumors. I never implied that ACM was
> >> being simulated; however they do fly acro, this I have seen.
> >> Yes it was T-6 #3 that went down in a remote area where
> >> recovery crew had to get to with a bulldozer. #3 was not
> >> damaged by hurricanes but did have wing attach angles and
> >> bolts replaced. One wing was located displaced from the
> >> wreckage; cause undetermined at this time.
> >>
> >> Many in my area know this operation and the good folks that
> >> operate it up to the best of their ability and professional
> >> standards. However, as when doing any acro, *stuff* could
> >> happen. All of us Yakkers should observe good practices such
> >> as aerobatic prefighting and being careful not to exceed
> >> operational limits....sometimes our guys get into the
> >> excitment of the chase when we are in extended trail.
> >>
> >> Craig Payne
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Will be wheels up in the new CJ at 7AM, color me gone to Red Star.
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Schrick" <schrick@pacbell.net>
Are you coming in the MINI Yak? Or is this year 4 for it not to show?
SHREK
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doug Sapp
Subject: Yak-List: Off to Red Star
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Will be wheels up in the new CJ at 7AM, color me gone to Red Star.
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Cathie" <cathieann@frontiernet.net>
This is in response to the recent MayDay we sent out referencing the High CHT temps.
We wish to extend many thanks to all of you for your quick responses and
suggestions. It was great. It seems that the general consensus shows, we are
within "normal" parameters. We might be a little on the high side, and we
are going to take the advice of many and check the mag timing. This is something
that everyone who might want to calibrate their probe and gauges... We checked
our temperature probe accuracy with a digital infrared heat/temperature gun.
(pretty cool tool). Available from Radio shack. With the engine running
and the cowling off, just point and shoot. This thing is so accurate that it
will fluctuate a few degrees because of the cylinder head fins if you move your
hand slightly. Just point at the probe inlet. We found our probe and gauge
to be within 6 degrees.
Thank you,
Rick Gasper
Jeff Krings
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
I, unlike the Super Shrek can only fly one aircraft at a time, and the new
CJ6 is sold and headed to Texas via Red Star, so it gets to go.
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Mark Schrick
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Off to Red Star
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Schrick" <schrick@pacbell.net>
Are you coming in the MINI Yak? Or is this year 4 for it not to show?
SHREK
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doug Sapp
Subject: Yak-List: Off to Red Star
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Will be wheels up in the new CJ at 7AM, color me gone to Red Star.
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Schrick" <schrick@pacbell.net>
Good excuse........ You buy the first beer on Thursday night.....
See you at Redstar 2005 on the flight line.
SHREK
********************************************************************
Mark Schrick
966 Wallace Drive
San Jose, Ca 95120-1848
Hm/Fax 408-323-5150
Cell 408-391-6664
Email schrick@pacbell.net
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doug Sapp
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Off to Red Star
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
I, unlike the Super Shrek can only fly one aircraft at a time, and the new
CJ6 is sold and headed to Texas via Red Star, so it gets to go.
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Mark Schrick
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Off to Red Star
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Schrick" <schrick@pacbell.net>
Are you coming in the MINI Yak? Or is this year 4 for it not to show?
SHREK
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doug Sapp
Subject: Yak-List: Off to Red Star
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Will be wheels up in the new CJ at 7AM, color me gone to Red Star.
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
You got it!
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Mark Schrick
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Off to Red Star
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Schrick" <schrick@pacbell.net>
Good excuse........ You buy the first beer on Thursday night.....
See you at Redstar 2005 on the flight line.
SHREK
********************************************************************
Mark Schrick
966 Wallace Drive
San Jose, Ca 95120-1848
Hm/Fax 408-323-5150
Cell 408-391-6664
Email schrick@pacbell.net
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doug Sapp
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Off to Red Star
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
I, unlike the Super Shrek can only fly one aircraft at a time, and the new
CJ6 is sold and headed to Texas via Red Star, so it gets to go.
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Mark Schrick
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Off to Red Star
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Schrick" <schrick@pacbell.net>
Are you coming in the MINI Yak? Or is this year 4 for it not to show?
SHREK
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Doug Sapp
Subject: Yak-List: Off to Red Star
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Will be wheels up in the new CJ at 7AM, color me gone to Red Star.
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
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