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1. 12:31 AM - avionics (aviatre@AOL.COM)
2. 05:22 AM - Re: Any Avionics Suggestions? (A. Dennis Savarese)
3. 06:13 AM - Yak-List Digest: M14 Air Compressor Replacement (Steve Dalton)
4. 06:48 AM - Re: Any Avionics Suggestions? (Kelley Monroe)
5. 08:44 AM - Re: Any Avionics Suggestions? (Brian Lloyd)
6. 09:04 AM - Re: Any Avionics Suggestions? (Jon Boede)
7. 10:29 AM - Re: Re:any avionics suggestions (Bev and Cameron Donnelly)
8. 02:38 PM - Re: M14 Air Compressor Replacement (A. Dennis Savarese)
9. 03:26 PM - Re: Re:any avionics suggestions (Kelley Monroe)
10. 03:40 PM - Paranoider Deutschenmoerder kommt in Psychiatrie (davestroud@rogers.com)
11. 04:50 PM - Re: Any Avionics Suggestions? (Cliff Umscheid)
12. 05:46 PM - Red Star 2005 (Tom Johnson)
13. 08:24 PM - Garmin GX320 (Jeff Linebaugh)
14. 08:32 PM - Compressor Replacement (Jeff Linebaugh)
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--> Yak-List message posted by: aviatre@aol.com
I installed a Garmin 300xl gps/com, mounted underneath the panel, with a Narco
transponder next to it. I am happy with it, but if you are tall you should check
your knee clearance. YOu can pick up the garmin from Chief for around $2500.
Not bad for a moving map gps and a com radio. It is also IFR capable
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| Subject: | Re: Any Avionics Suggestions? |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
Becker units are very good. The VHF radio requires a 24 to 12 volt
converter because it is a 12/14 volt unit only. But the transponder is a
24/28 volt unit. No converter required. The VHF does have a built in
intercom, should you want to use it. Becker units have a 3 year warranty as
well.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ernest Martinez" <erniel29@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Any Avionics Suggestions?
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
>
> The Becker round comms and transponders are excellent. I heard the
> micro air units do not work very well in formation. The garmin base
> transponder is an excellent buy.
>
> Ernie
>
> On 5/14/05, PSalter@aol.com <PSalter@aol.com> wrote:
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: PSalter@aol.com
>>
>> I am nearing the purchase of a CJ6 and need to start thinking about what
>> avionics to install. I would like a simple( read inexpensive) package
>> that would
>> include a comm, an intercom and transponder.
>>
>> My questions are:
>>
>> 1) What comm radio is suggested? I have read about the round units,
>> some
>> good some bad and have decided I would rather mount a standard radio
>> under the
>> panel if possible.
>>
>> 2) What intercom? I have read conflicting reports on Vox actuated or
>> not.
>> Also, I have found a couple of radios that have the intercom built in.
>> Are
>> these suitable? And, I will convert my microphones to the Sigtronics
>> High noise
>> model, M80H I believe.
>>
>> 3) Where does one mount the transponder in a CJ6 and what brand and
>> model?
>>
>> I am not opposed to used equipment and any help with my search is
>> appreciated.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Phil Salter
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Yak-List Digest: M14 Air Compressor Replacement |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Steve Dalton" <sdalton@goeaston.net>
Time: 07:01:54 PM PST US
From: joffice@AOL.COM
Subject: Yak-List: M14 Air Compressor Replacement
--> Yak-List message posted by: joffice@aol.com
Fellow YAKkers-
Anyone have any helpful hints or suggestions regarding replacement of
the air
compressor on an M14P?
Personal experiences (however painful) are solicited...
Jon Lowrey
Jon,
The 11mm Russian air compressor wrench is very helpful. Looks like a
small cylinder base wrench. Beware, it's not very strong and easily
broken! Been there...done that.
The worst nut to get off/on is the one at about 11 o'clock as you look
at the compressor mount. It's hidden behind the compressor cylinder. I
bought several cheap 11mm wrenches and bent them at various angles to
reach the nuts.
The job is a PITA, but it's doable. Good Luck,
Steve Dalton
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| Subject: | Re: Any Avionics Suggestions? |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Kelley Monroe" <kelmonroe@comcast.net>
I have install radios in 5 cjs. I have installed all of them with a Garmin
250xl gps/comm, a 28 to 14 volt converter, King kt76a trans with a ACK a30
encoder and a Sigtronics spa400 intercom. I install them in the right panel
by moving the lighting control to the right deck panel, moving the fuel
gauge to the upper right of the center panel and the fuel lights and switch
up to the fuel gauge hole. I did this by over laying the right side panel
with .025 2024T3 and puting the radios in the bottom of the panel. Than
send the panel out for powder coating to match the other panel. I have
photos if you want, contact me off list and I'll e-mail them to you. Also I
have just put a cj on Barnstormers with this package.
----- Original Message -----
From: <PSalter@aol.com>
Subject: Yak-List: Any Avionics Suggestions?
> --> Yak-List message posted by: PSalter@aol.com
>
> I am nearing the purchase of a CJ6 and need to start thinking about what
> avionics to install. I would like a simple( read inexpensive) package that
would
> include a comm, an intercom and transponder.
>
> My questions are:
>
> 1) What comm radio is suggested? I have read about the round units, some
> good some bad and have decided I would rather mount a standard radio under
the
> panel if possible.
>
> 2) What intercom? I have read conflicting reports on Vox actuated or
not.
> Also, I have found a couple of radios that have the intercom built in.
Are
> these suitable? And, I will convert my microphones to the Sigtronics High
noise
> model, M80H I believe.
>
> 3) Where does one mount the transponder in a CJ6 and what brand and
model?
>
> I am not opposed to used equipment and any help with my search is
> appreciated.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Phil Salter
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Any Avionics Suggestions? |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Frank Haertlein wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
>
> Brian
> I've had a Garmin GTX 320 in my 52 since 2001 (or thereabouts). Never
> had a problem with it. A friend is running one in his Commander and he's
> never had a problem with it either.
>
> On the other hand, the King unit he used to run was always failing the
> transmitter tube. He went to the Garmin GTX 320 because it's solid state
> with an excellent record of reliability.
The problem I had with the GTX 320 was that it was unstable in frequency. One
TRACON even pink-slipped me on the transponder which required me to ground the
aircraft until the problem was solved.
I recently checked with one of the top avionics shops about it and they said
they have had many problems with the GTX 320 which were exacerbated by the
unwillingness of Garmin to allow them to be repaired in the field. As a
result, they no longer recommend the unit.
I am sure that some or perhaps many work just fine. I am only pointing out
that I have had troubles and upon checking, had my problems confirmed by a top
avionics shop.
And someone else recommended the Sigtronics intercom. I have had so many
problems with Sigtronics that I have stopped using them too (four intercoms in
three different aircraft).
So it is possible to get good and bad reports on any vendor. Probably the best
thing to do is to go to a big shop and ask the technicians (NOT the sales
guys) which ones go out in airplanes and don't come back for repair since they
are likely to see a greater cross-section of products and and have a feeling
of failure rate over many aircraft.
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
brian-yak@lloyd.com Suite 201
http://www.lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exuper
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| Subject: | Re: Any Avionics Suggestions? |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
>
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: PSalter@aol.com
>>
>> I am nearing the purchase of a CJ6 and need to start thinking about what
>> avionics to install. I would like a simple( read inexpensive) package
>> that would
>> include a comm, an intercom and transponder.
>>
>> My questions are:
>>
>> 1) What comm radio is suggested? I have read about the round units,
>> some good some bad and have decided I would rather mount a standard
>> radio under the panel if possible.
>
> I would recommend a good GPS/comm. The older Apollo units are hard to
> come by so you may have to get Garmin.
I second this... I have a Garmin 300 and the bit where it knows the CTAF
frequency of the airport you're headed to and you can just put the cursor
on it and jump that onto "standby" -- that's the kind of time saver that
lets you keep your attention on better things.
I also put a Collins PN-101 HSI in my airplane, which -- despite many dire
warnings -- has withstood 900+ hours of my flying like a drunk bug. The
CJ is so stable that you can really fly it +/- a half degree on the
heading and the Collins' heading bug and layout lets you work within that
standard.
> As for brand, I like the Apollo SL-70 or the King KT-76A. I had a Garmin
> GTX-320 in my CJ6A and it was nothing but trouble.
I'm not fond of my GTX-320, either. I had to replace a face-plate -- not
cheap.
Keep in mind that there will be some circumstances (getting caught at an
airshow, whatever) where your airplane may wind up outside and have rain
fall on it, and your cockpit is going to get wet.
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| Subject: | Re: e: Re:Yak-List:any avionics suggestions |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Bev and Cameron Donnelly" <cdonnell@telus.net>
I don't think you need a converter for the Garmin equipment, if memory
serves it is good from 8-32V, don't remember about the intercom.
Cameron
----- Original Message -----
From: "Frank Stelwagon" <pfstelwagon@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re:Yak-List:any avionics suggestions
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Stelwagon"
> <pfstelwagon@earthlink.net>
>
> The Beckers are small and work great. A Garmin GPS/Com and Garmin
> Transponder also work well. The Sigtronics SP400N is a good intercom and
> can be wired for VOX and/or push to talk intercom. Any way you got it
> seems that unless you get into the higher end coms you will need a 28 to
> 12 volt converter (DC/DC Converter)
>
> Frank
> CJ6-A N23021
>
>
> --
>
>
--
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| Subject: | Re: M14 Air Compressor Replacement |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
Jon,
Other than what I wrote in the off-line email, use the long, curved at the
end, T- handle, 11mm box end tool that came with your TW tool kit. It is
designed specifically to access the 6, tough-to-get-to, 11mm nuts holding
the compressor in place. The real challenge is not getting them off. It's
getting them back on. It will tax your patience.
Gaining clear access to the compressor is most important. So move or remove
whatever you have to for accessibility. Other than that, there is no
"tricks" to R & R a compressor.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: <joffice@aol.com>
Subject: Yak-List: M14 Air Compressor Replacement
> --> Yak-List message posted by: joffice@aol.com
>
> Fellow YAKkers-
> Anyone have any helpful hints or suggestions regarding replacement of
> the air compressor on an M14P?
> Personal experiences (however painful) are solicited...
>
> Jon Lowrey
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: e: Re:Yak-List:any avionics suggestions |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Kelley Monroe" <kelmonroe@comcast.net>
The Garmin 250XL and 350XL are both 14 volt and require a convert and the
same for King KT76A or they call it a resistor.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bev and Cameron Donnelly" <cdonnell@telus.net>
Subject: Re: Re:Yak-List:any avionics suggestions
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Bev and Cameron Donnelly"
<cdonnell@telus.net>
>
> I don't think you need a converter for the Garmin equipment, if memory
> serves it is good from 8-32V, don't remember about the intercom.
>
> Cameron
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Frank Stelwagon" <pfstelwagon@earthlink.net>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re:Yak-List:any avionics suggestions
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Stelwagon"
> > <pfstelwagon@earthlink.net>
> >
> > The Beckers are small and work great. A Garmin GPS/Com and Garmin
> > Transponder also work well. The Sigtronics SP400N is a good intercom
and
> > can be wired for VOX and/or push to talk intercom. Any way you got it
> > seems that unless you get into the higher end coms you will need a 28 to
> > 12 volt converter (DC/DC Converter)
> >
> > Frank
> > CJ6-A N23021
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> >
>
>
> --
>
>
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| Subject: | Paranoider Deutschenmoerder kommt in Psychiatrie |
--> Yak-List message posted by: davestroud@rogers.com
Lese selbst:
http://brandenburg.rz.fhtw-berlin.de/poetschke.html
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| Subject: | Re: Any Avionics Suggestions? |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Cliff Umscheid <netmaster15@juno.com>
Jon,
Regardless of what avionics you decide to install I offer the following
for your consideration. I fly a YAK 50 and had a King radio and
transponder installed beneath the panel in a "stack"configuration between
my knees . Everything seemed just fine at first glance until subsequent
use revealed I had trouble reading the freq. panel because the radio was
installed at too flat an angle and with most light conditions my eyes
were not at such an angle to read clearly the too flat facing panel. I
would have had to get my head down too low and scrutinize the panel. This
is not good for outside awareness.
I subsequently changed the configuration to a greater up slanted angle
more easily accommodated to the eye position from which I viewed the
panel . Bright sunlight in low wing aircraft without some form of panel
shading can pose a problem, perhaps more exacerbated in a tailwheel
airplane while on the ground, in a three point attitude ,with the pilot
looking more directly toward the brightly lighted sky. Admittedly, not as
serious in your CJ , but a consideration in any "greenhouse"cockpit.
Hope this helps
Cliff Umscheid
to installn Sun, 15 May 2005 10:54:42 -0500 (CDT) "Jon Boede"
<jon@email.net> writes:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
> >
> >> --> Yak-List message posted by: PSalter@aol.com
> >>
> >> I am nearing the purchase of a CJ6 and need to start thinking
> about what
> >> avionics to install. I would like a simple( read inexpensive)
> package
> >> that would
> >> include a comm, an intercom and transponder.
> >>
> >> My questions are:
> >>
> >> 1) What comm radio is suggested? I have read about the round
> units,
> >> some good some bad and have decided I would rather mount a
> standard
> >> radio under the panel if possible.
> >
> > I would recommend a good GPS/comm. The older Apollo units are hard
> to
> > come by so you may have to get Garmin.
>
> I second this... I have a Garmin 300 and the bit where it knows the
> CTAF
> frequency of the airport you're headed to and you can just put the
> cursor
> on it and jump that onto "standby" -- that's the kind of time saver
> that
> lets you keep your attention on better things.
>
> I also put a Collins PN-101 HSI in my airplane, which -- despite
> many dire
> warnings -- has withstood 900+ hours of my flying like a drunk bug.
> The
> CJ is so stable that you can really fly it +/- a half degree on the
> heading and the Collins' heading bug and layout lets you work within
> that
> standard.
>
> > As for brand, I like the Apollo SL-70 or the King KT-76A. I had a
> Garmin
> > GTX-320 in my CJ6A and it was nothing but trouble.
>
> I'm not fond of my GTX-320, either. I had to replace a face-plate
> -- not
> cheap.
>
> Keep in mind that there will be some circumstances (getting caught
> at an
> airshow, whatever) where your airplane may wind up outside and have
> rain
> fall on it, and your cockpit is going to get wet.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Tom Johnson" <tjohnson@cannonaviation.com>
Thanks to all the people who worked so hard to make Red Star 2005 the best Red
Star ever.
A good time was had by all.
It was a lot of work setting up the event and I certainly appreciate all the hard
work.
Thanks.
Tj
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jeff Linebaugh" <jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net>
I had trouble with my Garmin GX 320 when I first got it..... Apparently
they had trouble with the first generation of these units, but got their
problems resolved. After I put the second new replacement unit in, it has
worked flawlessly!
Jeff Linebaugh
jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net
CJ-6P N621CJ
Memphis, TN
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| Subject: | Compressor Replacement |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jeff Linebaugh" <jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net>
RE: Compressor replacement:
Bite the bullet and get a couple of cheap wrenches that you will have to
customize" to get the job done. As I remember, we had to grind a wrench
thinner, bend it twice, and put a 45 on it to get in to the base nuts...that
and some patience and you will be all set!
Jeff Linebaugh
jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net
CJ-6P N621CJ
Memphis, TN
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