---------------------------------------------------------- Yak-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 05/23/05: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:34 AM - http://www.exxonmobil.com/USA-English/Specialties/PDS/GLXXENSPCEMMARCOLN82 (Mark Jefferies) 2. 09:53 AM - Re: http://www.exxonmobil.com/USA-English/Specialties/PDS/GLXXENSPCEMMARCOLN82 (Brian Lloyd) 3. 12:00 PM - Re: Smoke Oils (Scott Kirk) 4. 12:00 PM - Re: (Jim Ivey) 5. 12:12 PM - Re: http://www.exxonmobil.com/USA-English/Specialties/PDS/GLXXENSPCEMMARCOLN82 (Roger Doc Kemp) 6. 12:55 PM - try again (Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd) 7. 03:24 PM - Re: http://www.exxonmobil.com/USA-English/Specialties/PDS/GLXXENSPCEMMARCOLN82 (Roger Doc Kemp) 8. 10:20 PM - Columbus NE in June (Dr. Robert Schroeder) 9. 11:15 PM - fu8el bladder tank installation in CJ6 (forrest johnson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:34:29 AM PST US From: "Mark Jefferies" Subject: Yak-List: http://www.exxonmobil.com/USA-English/Specialties/PDS/GLXXENSPCEMMARCOLN82 --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Jefferies" I note that oils that are carcinogenic are being used by some people!! Use FDA approved oils, ie those tested on humans!! http://www.exxonmobil.com/USA-English/Specialties/PDS/GLXXENSPCEMMARCOLN82 ps, I hope the above link is not cropped, it should end with ....marcoln82" and nothing else. Best regards, fly safe-Mark Jefferies For YAK UK Ltd www.yakuk.com Lt Gransden Airfield Sandy, Beds SG19 3BP England. Tel +44 (0)1767 651156. Fax +44 (0)1767 651157 Mobile +44 (0)7785 538 317 Conditions and terms of business Aircraft for sale ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:53:11 AM PST US From: Brian Lloyd Subject: Re: Yak-List: http://www.exxonmobil.com/USA-English/Specialties/PDS/GLXXENSPCEMMARCOLN82 --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd Mark Jefferies wrote: > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Jefferies" > > I note that oils that are carcinogenic are being used by some people!! Use > FDA approved oils, ie those tested on humans!! > > > http://www.exxonmobil.com/USA-English/Specialties/PDS/GLXXENSPCEMMARCOLN82 Sorry, it doesn't resolve for me. -- Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza brian-yak@lloyd.com Suite 201 http://www.lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802 +1.340.998.9447 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax) I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . . - Antoine de Saint-Exupery ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:00:43 PM PST US From: "Scott Kirk" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Smoke Oils --> Yak-List message posted by: "Scott Kirk" The question of smoke oils comes up now and again, I found the best way to see whats being used is to track down airshow performers websites and see what they require be provided in their "requirements list". Even the Blue Angels and the Thunderbirds list what smoke oil they require, usually via Mil spec but also list alternatives. An example would be Mike Goullians website (link below) where he lists his requirements for performing airshows which includes last I checked 10 smoke oils he considers acceptable for his performances. He claims Canopus (Corvus) Oil 13 is the best but also lists the following as acceptable: Texaco Canopus (Corvus) Oil 13 or 519 Standard Oil Facto 39 Texaco Regal B Sun Oil Circle X Shell Carnea 10 or 22 Union Oil Unax 105 Gulf Oil 370 Arco Duro-S 105 Exxon Faxam 40 Military #1010 Eng. Oil A few of us locally have been using Shell's Diala Oil AX which our local distributor claims most locals have switched to in lieu of Corvus 13. I've used SuperDri and the Diala Oil AX is easily equally as good but at a much better price. I think its really a matter of what you can get from your local distributor. Shell Diala Oil AX: http://www.shell-lubricants.com/Electrical/products.php Exxon Marcol N82: http://www.exxonmobil.com/USA-english/Specialties/PDS/GLXXENSPCEMMARCOLN82.asp Super Dri: http://www.mdw-aviation.com/MDW_About_Our_Oil.htm Mike Goullian: http://mikegoulian.com/html/support_manual.html#operational NOCO BL050HT: http://www.noco.com/NOCO-MSDS/Prime_BL_Series.htm Scott ----Original Message Follows---- From: Brian Lloyd Subject: Re: Yak-List: http://www.exxonmobil.com/USA-English/Specialties/PDS/GLXXENSPCEMMARCOLN82 --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd Mark Jefferies wrote: > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Jefferies" > > I note that oils that are carcinogenic are being used by some people!! Use > FDA approved oils, ie those tested on humans!! > > > http://www.exxonmobil.com/USA-English/Specialties/PDS/GLXXENSPCEMMARCOLN82 Sorry, it doesn't resolve for me. -- Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza brian-yak@lloyd.com Suite 201 http://www.lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802 +1.340.998.9447 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax) I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . . - Antoine de Saint-Exupery Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:00:43 PM PST US From: Jim Ivey http"://www.exxonmobil.com/USA-English/Specialties/PDS/GLXXENSPCEMMARCOLN82@roxy.matronics.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: http://www.exxonmobil.com/USA-English/Specialties/PDS/GLXXENSPCEMMARCOLN82 --> Yak-List message posted by: Jim Ivey FDA-approved smoke oil surely makes a pilot feel good. But what about engine oils and avgas? Not to mention standard byproducts of combustion including carbon monoxide and sulfur-based emissions. I know few mechanics that don't get grease, solvent, laquer thinner or oil under their fingernails every once in a while. Aircraft paint and finish coatings need no description, and the Iridium painted on instruments and engine controls is lovely to behold on dark night flights or even from the solitude of a hospice bed. I'm not sure any materials commonly encountered in aviation have been "human tested" per FDA guidelines. I'm not too concerned about burned light oil released into clear air from aircraft exhaust. The smoke is merely marking what is already present but normally invisible. Couldn't be near as bad as second-hand tobacco smoke and automotive emissions I've encountered in European and Asian locales. Then again I live on a farm and it is not uncommon for us to use defoliants (we still use "Agent Orange", relabled "Prep" to stymie any controvesy) and restricted-use petsticides released via aircraft, so I may not be the most objective in these matters. Jim Quoting Mark Jefferies : > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Jefferies" > > I note that oils that are carcinogenic are being used by some people!! Use > FDA approved oils, ie those tested on humans!! > > > http://www.exxonmobil.com/USA-English/Specialties/PDS/GLXXENSPCEMMARCOLN82 > > > ps, I hope the above link is not cropped, it should end with ....marcoln82" > and nothing else. > > > Best regards, fly safe-Mark Jefferies ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:12:05 PM PST US From: "Roger Doc Kemp" Subject: Re: Yak-List: http://www.exxonmobil.com/USA-English/Specialties/PDS/GLXXENSPCEMMARCOLN82 --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp" Me either. Sorry old boy, Doc > [Original Message] > From: Brian Lloyd > To: > Date: 5/23/2005 11:49:24 AM > Subject: Re: Yak-List: http://www.exxonmobil.com/USA-English/Specialties/PDS/GLXXENSPCEMMARCOLN82 > > --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd > > > Mark Jefferies wrote: > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Jefferies" > > > > I note that oils that are carcinogenic are being used by some people!! Use > > FDA approved oils, ie those tested on humans!! > > > > > > http://www.exxonmobil.com/USA-English/Specialties/PDS/GLXXENSPCEMMARCOLN82 > > Sorry, it doesn't resolve for me. > > -- > Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza > brian-yak@lloyd.com Suite 201 > http://www.lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802 > +1.340.998.9447 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax) > > I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . . > - Antoine de Saint-Exupery > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:55:35 PM PST US From: Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd Subject: Yak-List: try again --> Yak-List message posted by: Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd sorry YAKKERs this one works http://www.exxonmobil.com/USA-English/Specialties/PDS/GLXXENSPCEMMARCOLN82.asp Best regards, Mark www.yakuk.com +44 (0)1767 651156 office +44 (0)7785 538 317 mobile ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:24:23 PM PST US From: "Roger Doc Kemp" Subject: Re: Yak-List:http://www.exxonmobil.com/USA-English/Specialties/PDS/GLXXENSPCEMMARCOLN82 --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp" Jim, You are surely an exposed man with all those hazardous chemicals around. But even sport F!@%#*%g carries a risk. Used to be it was from the father or estraged mate with a loaded weapon, now one can die from a microbe! What's life without a little exposure? Doc > [Original Message] > From: Jim Ivey > To: > Date: 5/23/2005 1:57:26 PM > Subject: Re: Yak-List:http://www.exxonmobil.com/USA-English/Specialties/PDS/GLXXENSPCEMMA RCOLN82 > > --> Yak-List message posted by: Jim Ivey > > FDA-approved smoke oil surely makes a pilot feel good. But what about engine > oils and avgas? Not to mention standard byproducts of combustion including > carbon monoxide and sulfur-based emissions. I know few mechanics that don't > get grease, solvent, laquer thinner or oil under their fingernails every once > in a while. Aircraft paint and finish coatings need no description, and the > Iridium painted on instruments and engine controls is lovely to behold on dark > night flights or even from the solitude of a hospice bed. I'm not sure any > materials commonly encountered in aviation have been "human tested" per FDA > guidelines. > > I'm not too concerned about burned light oil released into clear air from > aircraft exhaust. The smoke is merely marking what is already present but > normally invisible. Couldn't be near as bad as second-hand tobacco smoke and > automotive emissions I've encountered in European and Asian locales. > > Then again I live on a farm and it is not uncommon for us to use > defoliants (we > still use "Agent Orange", relabled "Prep" to stymie any controvesy) and > restricted-use petsticides released via aircraft, so I may not be the most > objective in these matters. > > Jim > > Quoting Mark Jefferies : > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Jefferies" > > > > I note that oils that are carcinogenic are being used by some people!! Use > > FDA approved oils, ie those tested on humans!! > > > > > > http://www.exxonmobil.com/USA-English/Specialties/PDS/GLXXENSPCEMMARCOLN82 > > > > > > ps, I hope the above link is not cropped, it should end with ....marcoln82" > > and nothing else. > > > > > > Best regards, fly safe-Mark Jefferies > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:20:16 PM PST US From: "Dr. Robert Schroeder" Subject: Yak-List: Columbus NE in June --> Yak-List message posted by: "Dr. Robert Schroeder" Will there be a gathering in Columbus, NE this June? If so, when? Thanks, Robert Schroeder -- ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:15:23 PM PST US From: "forrest johnson" Subject: Yak-List: fu8el bladder tank installation in CJ6 --> Yak-List message posted by: "forrest johnson" I am installing bladders in my CJ6. please comment on experiences particulary the vent system. the original tanks dont feed equally due to yaw but can be corrected with slight rudder pressure. Any info will be helpful. I dont see what is wrong with using the original system. Thanks,FORREST