Today's Message Index:
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1. 12:48 AM - Re: Yak Air Bottles (Jorgen Nielsen)
2. 05:29 AM - Throttle the throttle... (Ross Bausone)
3. 06:39 AM - EGT / CHT (Tom Johnson)
4. 07:35 AM - Re: EDM 930 (Barry Hancock)
5. 07:48 AM - Re: Smart systems (Barry Hancock)
6. 09:01 AM - Re: Yak Air Bottles (brian olofsson)
7. 09:13 AM - Re: EGT / CHT (Sam Sax)
8. 09:16 AM - Re: was Yak Air Bottles, now paintball tanks (Dave Laird)
9. 09:24 AM - Re: EGT / CHT (Roger Doc Kemp)
10. 09:39 AM - Re: EGT / CHT (Brian Lloyd)
11. 09:41 AM - Re: Re: Smart systems (Brian Lloyd)
12. 09:43 AM - Re: was Yak Air Bottles, now paintball tanks (Brian Lloyd)
13. 09:57 AM - Re: EGT / CHT (Brian Lloyd)
14. 10:18 AM - Re: was Yak Air Bottles, now paintball tanks (fish@aviation-tech.com)
15. 10:39 AM - Re: EGT / CHT (Roger Doc Kemp)
16. 12:43 PM - Re: EGT / CHT (Brian Lloyd)
17. 01:23 PM - Re: Re: Smart systems (DaBear)
18. 03:13 PM - Chinese 3 blade propellers (JOE)
19. 04:10 PM - Re: was Yak Air Bottles, now paintball tanks (brian olofsson)
20. 04:19 PM - brian olofsson sent you this eBay item: Paintball PMI PURE ENERGY 68ci 4500PSI Nitrogen TANK !! (#7159396492) (eBay Member)
21. 04:39 PM - Yak Air Bottles (Doug Sapp)
22. 04:47 PM - Re: was Yak Air Bottles, now paintball tanks (brian olofsson)
23. 10:33 PM - Re: Yak Air Bottles (Roger Doc Kemp)
24. 10:42 PM - Re: EGT / CHT (Roger Doc Kemp)
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jorgen Nielsen" <jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za>
What is the problem with buying new bottles from Aerostar? They make
the occasional post to this site?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dee
> L. Conger
> Sent: 26 May 2005 18:29 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak Air Bottles
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Dee L. Conger" <dee@ansatainc.com>
>
> What is the ballpark price for your tanks? I have no idea
> what the OEM replacement costs.
>
> Dee L. Conger
> (858) 754-3010 Direct
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Baker
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Yak Air Bottles
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Roger Baker <f4ffm2@adelphia.net>
>
> On the subject of air pressure containment vessels (air bottles) for
> Yaks: I have been researching replacement bottles for Yaks
> for several
> weeks now. Jerry Kummer and I are just about ready to see if
> there are
> people in the Yak community that want to get (and stock) some
> of these
> tanks...as it doesn't make economic sense to build less than about 20
> units.
>
> What we have worked on so far is a tank that will be a direct
> "bolt in"
> replacement for the Yak 52 main system tank...of stainless
> steel, stock
> size and configuration, hydrostatically checked. We've also looked
> into carbon fiber wrapped vessels of non standard
> configuration. It is
> possible to have either type bottle built here in SoCal. We haven't
> got final cost figures from everybody involved, but as soon as we do,
> I'll make a posting here on the site about it.
>
> At this point, I think that replacement tanks can be made for
> near the
> figure for which stock OEM tanks (if you can find one...I
> only know of
> one here in the US) were selling. I'll need several committments from
> the Yak community (after we get full costing info) before proceeding
> with the manufacturing.
>
> Stand by for more info here on the yak list.
>
> Roger Baker
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Throttle the throttle... |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ross Bausone" <WingLeader_GoldenGateWing@msn.com>
Hello fellow Yaksters,=0D=0A=0D=0AAnyone have a formula for throttle cable replacement?=0D=0A=0D=0AOurs
is frayed, and sticking, likewise, the copper tube is
crimped. Has anyone found suitable replacement parts in America?=0D=0A=0D=0ARegards,=0D=0A=0D=0ARoss
Bausone,=0D=0AN254YK
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Tom Johnson" <tomjohnson@cox.net>
For my labor, having the EGT's nearly instant response would be a great
benefit.
The first time you have a rough mag and you instantly see a cold #5 Rear
plug ~ you be a happy camper.
(Provided the ignition switch is wired correctly !kf~)
CHT would do it too, but the response is slower.
Aren't the probes like $30 each!
Of those running the EDM 700-9c: How does mixture (EGT) distribution look?
Tj
---------------------------
Thomas Johnson
Airpower Insurance, LLC
36 West Ocotillo Road
Phoenix, AZ 85013-1235
Tel: 602-628-2701
Fax: 623-321-5843
E: tomjohnson@cox.net
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <barry@flyredstar.org>
On May 26, 2005, at 11:58 PM, Yak-List Digest Server wrote:
>
> Hi Charlie,
>
> The EDM 930 we carry now, does not work with 9 Cyl engines, but after
> passing on your email to the owner of the company he will now have our
> team of engineers work on building an EDM 930 for radial engines.
> It will be specially designed for 9 cylinder engines. The engineers are
> working on it as we speak.
>
That is really great news. You are a most influential person, Charlie,
but I can't help but think that the 9 cyl. was already in the
works...regardless I have a engine monitor and it is a most useful
diagnostic tool. That being said, $5300 is a bit steep for *just* an
engine montior....
Have you tried this approach with Blue Mountain?
Barry
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| Subject: | Re: Smart systems |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <barry@flyredstar.org>
On May 26, 2005, at 11:58 PM, Yak-List Digest Server wrote:
> I do wish that the newer engine monitors would try to do something
> smart
> rather than try to emulate a bunch of steam gauges. Frankly, I don't
> want to
> look at them in normal operation. And when you are flying on someone's
> wing
> you can't look at the gauges anyway. It would be much better if the
> system was
>
> smart enough to *tell* you when there is something wrong.
Yeah, well, the JPI does this, as do the other systems, BUT, Brian,
you're right...why take up HALF MY FRIGGIN' PANEL to give me a bunch of
information I don't want to see unless something is wrong, or I
specifically want to check something???? My best guess is it comes
down to sales...it just looks prettier with all those colors shining at
once.
Barry
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--> Yak-List message posted by: brian olofsson <brian060901@yahoo.com>
My son has a "carbon fiber" wrapped paint ball tank "aprox" the size of the emergencytank.
It's rated to 3,200 psi. Point being there has to be something better
out there than these corrosion prone steel things. this tank weights next
to nothing Brian
Jorgen Nielsen <jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za> wrote:--> Yak-List message posted by:
"Jorgen Nielsen"
What is the problem with buying new bottles from Aerostar? They make
the occasional post to this site?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dee
> L. Conger
> Sent: 26 May 2005 18:29 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak Air Bottles
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Dee L. Conger"
>
> What is the ballpark price for your tanks? I have no idea
> what the OEM replacement costs.
>
> Dee L. Conger
> (858) 754-3010 Direct
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Baker
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Yak Air Bottles
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Roger Baker
>
> On the subject of air pressure containment vessels (air bottles) for
> Yaks: I have been researching replacement bottles for Yaks
> for several
> weeks now. Jerry Kummer and I are just about ready to see if
> there are
> people in the Yak community that want to get (and stock) some
> of these
> tanks...as it doesn't make economic sense to build less than about 20
> units.
>
> What we have worked on so far is a tank that will be a direct
> "bolt in"
> replacement for the Yak 52 main system tank...of stainless
> steel, stock
> size and configuration, hydrostatically checked. We've also looked
> into carbon fiber wrapped vessels of non standard
> configuration. It is
> possible to have either type bottle built here in SoCal. We haven't
> got final cost figures from everybody involved, but as soon as we do,
> I'll make a posting here on the site about it.
>
> At this point, I think that replacement tanks can be made for
> near the
> figure for which stock OEM tanks (if you can find one...I
> only know of
> one here in the US) were selling. I'll need several committments from
> the Yak community (after we get full costing info) before proceeding
> with the manufacturing.
>
> Stand by for more info here on the yak list.
>
> Roger Baker
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Sam Sax" <cd001633@mindspring.com>
Tom,
I am running the JPI 700-9C for almost 4 years now. I've also installed the
option for the built-in fuel flow - great thing to have.
As to the EGT, at least in my engine, they are not uniform. Cylinder #4
shows highest EGT in a given setting in any altitude followed by #3.
Typically, coldest are #6 and #7. Interestingly, my hottest CHT cylinders
are also #3 & 4.
By the way, I did loose a spark plug in flight sometime ago. Its amazing
how quickly one can determine the problem (sudden EGT rise in that
cylinder), and contain the rate and amplitude of his/her heart beats. Upon
landing at the nearest airport, I simply took out the bad one and put in the
spare one I had and off I went. Total time lost 30 minutes. Cost - $0.00.
Imagine landing in an airport in the boonies asking the "expert" mechanic on
duty to trouble shoot your problem (of course, you wouldn't even know it's a
spark plug). Time lost - a day or two. Cost - you estimate it...
As far as I am concerned, that event alone, paid for the unit.
FWIW,
Sam Sax
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tom Johnson
Subject: Yak-List: EGT / CHT
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Tom Johnson" <tomjohnson@cox.net>
For my labor, having the EGT's nearly instant response would be a great
benefit.
The first time you have a rough mag and you instantly see a cold #5 Rear
plug ~ you be a happy camper.
(Provided the ignition switch is wired correctly !kf~)
CHT would do it too, but the response is slower.
Aren't the probes like $30 each!
Of those running the EDM 700-9c: How does mixture (EGT) distribution look?
Tj
---------------------------
Thomas Johnson
Airpower Insurance, LLC
36 West Ocotillo Road
Phoenix, AZ 85013-1235
Tel: 602-628-2701
Fax: 623-321-5843
E: tomjohnson@cox.net
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| Subject: | Re: was Yak Air Bottles, now paintball tanks |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Dave Laird <dave@davelaird.com>
Speaking of paintball tanks...
Aren't those paintball things sometimes powered by nitrogen....as in
"hey, i need some nitrogen in my struts...."
Has anyone figured out what gauges/fittings to put on the nitrogen
paintball gun refill tanks so they regulate the pressure down
to the approx. 300psi and approx. 150psi for CJ6 struts?
Dave Laird
N63536 1983 CJ6A "Betty"
Dallas
On May 27, 2005, at 10:58 AM, brian olofsson wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: brian olofsson <brian060901@yahoo.com>
>
> My son has a "carbon fiber" wrapped paint ball tank "aprox" the size
> of the emergencytank. It's rated to 3,200 psi. Point being there has
> to be something better out there than these corrosion prone steel
> things. this tank weights next to nothing Brian
>
> Jorgen Nielsen <jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za> wrote:--> Yak-List message
> posted by: "Jorgen Nielsen"
>
> What is the problem with buying new bottles from Aerostar? They make
> the occasional post to this site?
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
It still all comes down to why did the Russians design their steam gage to
measure the temp on the #4 cylinder when #9,1, and 2 are the hottest
cylinders? There is a such thing as TMI ( To Much Freeking Information).
When flying formation you can take a snap shot of the engine instruments
under the currant steam gage arrangement (assuming your panel is stock
Russian in a 1990 or older A/C). As much as I would like to know what is
going on in the other 8 cylinders, all of the existing MFD's provide way to
much information for that snap shot, take up to much room in the panel, and
cost way to much money. For now I will stay with the round dials and fly
fat, dumb, and happy (as long as the big Radial continues to rumble).
Besides, I can't richen the mixture to cool the cylinders preferentially
anyway with the YAK 52. I guess the Russians felt that as long as the
master rod was happy, the rest of the M-14 would be happy.
They followed the KISS principle and God what a work horse they put out.
Sure am glad we did not have to face them down in the Foulga gap during the
Cold War (for us ol' farts that stood on that line). The end may not have
been as rosy as our leaders would have lead us to believe. Sometimes
simplicity trumps technology particularly when you can produce it in large
quantities and make it work under extremely austere conditions! This sucker
just keeps on chugging when it is hot as hell or freezing ass cold, what
more can I ask for? A new $10,000 panel that has all the colorful bells and
whistles that overloads my ol' dumb brain that is totally confusing to me
when I try to take a snap shot of the panel while hanging on #2's wing in a
4 ship of a 16 ship mass gaggle while asking myself the whole time why I
even considered why I jumped in this goat rope as 2 bobs up & down like a
20 ft boat in 10 ft seas. Yes, that was a run-on sentence.
But opinoons are like assholes, everybody has one and guess I just gave
mine. For me, I will stay with the KISS principle and baby my M-14 just
watching that ol' #4 cylinder hoping that that master rod is happy while
#9, #1, and #2 bake.
Sorry for my extanious BS I threw in as my personal opinion.
Hell its an upcoming holiday weekend and I'm on call sitting here wishing I
were flying and at the lake with to much free time for my fingers to do the
thinking. I washed them this morning and can't do anything with THEM!
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: Tom Johnson <tomjohnson@cox.net>
> To: Yak-List@Matronics. Com <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 5/27/2005 8:35:42 AM
> Subject: Yak-List: EGT / CHT
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Tom Johnson" <tomjohnson@cox.net>
>
> For my labor, having the EGT's nearly instant response would be a great
> benefit.
>
> The first time you have a rough mag and you instantly see a cold #5 Rear
> plug ~ you be a happy camper.
> (Provided the ignition switch is wired correctly !kf~)
>
> CHT would do it too, but the response is slower.
> Aren't the probes like $30 each!
>
> Of those running the EDM 700-9c: How does mixture (EGT) distribution look?
>
> Tj
> ---------------------------
> Thomas Johnson
> Airpower Insurance, LLC
> 36 West Ocotillo Road
> Phoenix, AZ 85013-1235
> Tel: 602-628-2701
> Fax: 623-321-5843
> E: tomjohnson@cox.net
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Tom Johnson wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Tom Johnson" <tomjohnson@cox.net>
>
> For my labor, having the EGT's nearly instant response would be a great
> benefit.
The problem is, fast-response probes are usually more fragile and need to be
replaced more often. Insulated probes (needed for cheaper instruments) are
slower response. There ain't no such thing as a free lunch.
> The first time you have a rough mag and you instantly see a cold #5 Rear
> plug ~ you be a happy camper.
> (Provided the ignition switch is wired correctly !kf~)
That does help.
> CHT would do it too, but the response is slower.
That is due to the thermal mass of the head itself.
> Aren't the probes like $30 each!
Something like that. You can find cheaper thermocouples but they don't last as
long. You get what you pay for.
> Of those running the EDM 700-9c: How does mixture (EGT) distribution look?
You can't tell mixture distribution unless you have a mixture control so
multiple EGTs are not useful for normal operation of an M14-P. The actual EGT
value doesn't tell you anything. Hotter does not necessarily mean leaner.
The only way to tell mixture distribution with an EGT is to start rich and
lean a little bit while watching for each cylinder's EGT to peak. If they all
peak and then begin to fall back together (regardless of actual temperature)
then the mixture is identical in all cylinders. This is what GAMI does with
their customized fuel injectors. They match the fuel to the airflow for each
cylinder so that mixture is identical in all cylinders. This allows for
lean-of-peak operation which saves a lot of fuel.
Lean-of-peak operation used to be normal for the big radials on recip
transports. LoP operation results in cooler operation and fewer combustion
byproducts in the engine.
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
brian-yak@lloyd.com Suite 201
http://www.lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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| Subject: | Re: Smart systems |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Barry Hancock wrote:
>>smart enough to *tell* you when there is something wrong.
>
>
> Yeah, well, the JPI does this, as do the other systems, BUT, Brian,
> you're right...why take up HALF MY FRIGGIN' PANEL to give me a bunch of
> information I don't want to see unless something is wrong, or I
> specifically want to check something???? My best guess is it comes
> down to sales...it just looks prettier with all those colors shining at
> once.
I suspect you will get an argument from people on this but I agree with you. I
don't care about my oil pressure unless it has a problem and then I want to
know right now and not sometime later when I think to look at the gauge.
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
brian-yak@lloyd.com Suite 201
http://www.lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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| Subject: | Re: was Yak Air Bottles, now paintball tanks |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Dave Laird wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Dave Laird <dave@davelaird.com>
>
> Speaking of paintball tanks...
>
> Aren't those paintball things sometimes powered by nitrogen....as in
> "hey, i need some nitrogen in my struts...."
My son is a paintball nut. He uses CO2.
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
brian-yak@lloyd.com Suite 201
http://www.lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Roger Doc Kemp wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>
> It still all comes down to why did the Russians design their steam gage to
> measure the temp on the #4 cylinder when #9,1, and 2 are the hottest
> cylinders? There is a such thing as TMI ( To Much Freeking Information).
> When flying formation you can take a snap shot of the engine instruments
> under the currant steam gage arrangement (assuming your panel is stock
> Russian in a 1990 or older A/C). As much as I would like to know what is
> going on in the other 8 cylinders, all of the existing MFD's provide way to
> much information for that snap shot, take up to much room in the panel, and
> cost way to much money. For now I will stay with the round dials and fly
> fat, dumb, and happy (as long as the big Radial continues to rumble).
You are on the right track. You want the information quickly and too much
information is not helpful.
OTOH, it would be nice if the equipment would tell us there is a problem. It
doesn't take a very smart computer to say, "gee, #3 is at 220C and that is too
hot." And it may be a mindless idiot but it will never forget to keep checking
to see if #3 is at or above 220C even while I am looking out of the cockpit.
The biggest thing missing is trend information. Normally we want to see about
160C on the cylinder head temps. But you are flying on your buddy and loosen
the friction lock so the shutters close of their own accord (Yak-52, not CJ).
The CHT starts to rise. Wouldn't it be nice for your engine monitor to say,
"hey, the engine is going to overheat in 30 seconds," rather than, "hey, the
engine just overheated." Oil temp and oil pressure trends are even more
interesting. A minute's warning of an impending oil pressure or temp problems
would be *really* interesting.
> quantities and make it work under extremely austere conditions! This sucker
> just keeps on chugging when it is hot as hell or freezing ass cold, what
> more can I ask for?
They are rather strong, aren't they.
> A new $10,000 panel that has all the colorful bells and
> whistles that overloads my ol' dumb brain that is totally confusing to me
> when I try to take a snap shot of the panel while hanging on #2's wing in a
> 4 ship of a 16 ship mass gaggle while asking myself the whole time why I
> even considered why I jumped in this goat rope as 2 bobs up & down like a
> 20 ft boat in 10 ft seas. Yes, that was a run-on sentence.
And you aren't even remotely going to look at the panel in that case. Hell,
the only way you will know if you are on fire is if someone says, "Hey 2, you
are on fire."
And if the engine instrument was *really* doing its job you would never even
look at the panel. The engine instrument would tell you when you needed to do
something.
I actually had an engine monitor that did all this in my RV-4. It took one
3.125" gauge. I had it display RPM, fuel flow, leanest EGT, and hottest CHT,
the things I could control. Everything else was on aural alert. If I was doing
acro and the engine started to overspeed I would hear, "warning, engine RPM
high" in my headphones. (It has a fixed-pitch prop.) If I forgot to switch
tanks it would say, "warning, fuel pressure low," long before the engine even
hiccuped. I never had to put my head back in the cockpit for anything except
for a glance at the ASI while in the pattern or to lean the mixture in cruise.
Unfortunately the outfit is out of business now.
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
brian-yak@lloyd.com Suite 201
http://www.lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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| Subject: | Re: was Yak Air Bottles, now paintball tanks |
--> Yak-List message posted by: fish@aviation-tech.com
Yak List,
My understanding of paintball is that they use compressed air (from scuba compressor),
but do not filter the air. Cheaper and they can fill them themselves (Shops,
make more proffit)
I found a regulator at my local welding supply that I use on my nitrogen tank
to regulate it down to what I want. I also have a regulator on my compressed
air tank, making it easier to chare my tank to the right pressure without crawling
into the cockpit. But the regulators are expensive ($300-$500 each).
The first regulators I purchased would not go high enough, so I had to purchase
more expensive regulators. While they are expensive, I am now happy with the
results.
Fly Safe
John Fischer
Yak-52, N123YA
>--> Yak-List message posted by: Dave Laird <dave@davelaird.com>
>
>Speaking of paintball tanks...
>
>Aren't those paintball things sometimes powered by nitrogen....as in
>"hey, i need some nitrogen in my struts...."
>
>Has anyone figured out what gauges/fittings to put on the nitrogen
>paintball gun refill tanks so they regulate the pressure down
>to the approx. 300psi and approx. 150psi for CJ6 struts?
>
>
>Dave Laird
>N63536 1983 CJ6A "Betty"
>Dallas
>
>
>On May 27, 2005, at 10:58 AM, brian olofsson wrote:
>
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: brian olofsson <brian060901@yahoo.com>
>>
>> My son has a "carbon fiber" wrapped paint ball tank "aprox" the size
>> of the emergencytank. It's rated to 3,200 psi. Point being there has
>> to be something better out there than these corrosion prone steel
>> things. this tank weights next to nothing Brian
>>
>> Jorgen Nielsen <jorgen.nielsen@mweb.co.za> wrote:--> Yak-List message
>> posted by: "Jorgen Nielsen"
>>
>> What is the problem with buying new bottles from Aerostar? They make
>> the occasional post to this site?
>>
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
\Wounder if we can get the rights/patten to that neat little instrument. It
could easily go in the current CHT hole and really would serve a purpose.
Now that is something that I could use. Kinda like bitch'n Betty in the
Viper, but... sometimes you really do want to choke the b_ _ _ _ _. But
she will even tell you are on fire with 2 saying a word.
And I agree with you on all the previous I deleted from this message for
the sake of brevity.
Doc
>
> I actually had an engine monitor that did all this in my RV-4. It took
one
> 3.125" gauge. I had it display RPM, fuel flow, leanest EGT, and hottest
CHT,
> the things I could control. Everything else was on aural alert. If I was
doing
> acro and the engine started to overspeed I would hear, "warning, engine
RPM
> high" in my headphones. (It has a fixed-pitch prop.) If I forgot to
switch
> tanks it would say, "warning, fuel pressure low," long before the engine
even
> hiccuped. I never had to put my head back in the cockpit for anything
except
> for a glance at the ASI while in the pattern or to lean the mixture in
cruise.
>
> Unfortunately the outfit is out of business now.
>
> --
> Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
> brian-yak@lloyd.com Suite 201
> http://www.lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
> +1.340.998.9447 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
>
> I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
> - Antoine de Saint-Exupery
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Roger Doc Kemp wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>
> \Wounder if we can get the rights/patten to that neat little instrument.
Possibly. Barry and I tried to do that about three years back. I think he had
one in his Ghirkin. Regardless, we could replicate it. A friend of mine, Matt
Dodd, is just about done with the gear warning system for the Yak and CJ. (He
lurks here getting ideas for instrumentation from you guys because he is not a
pilot yet.) If people like the idea of an engine monitor that takes up no room
in the panel and will handle any number of engines and cylinders (think B-17
or B-24 here), we could do that without too much trouble too.
> It could easily go in the current CHT hole and really would serve a purpose.
Right. It could even be a hidden box with no display at all. You can still
keep your steam gauges and yet have all the aural warning stuff. No reason why
not.
> Now that is something that I could use. Kinda like bitch'n Betty in the
> Viper, but... sometimes you really do want to choke the b_ _ _ _ _.
Yeah, you need a way to say, "shut the ... up, sweetie." A button on the front
or on the throttle would work just fine.
> But she will even tell you are on fire with[out] 2 saying a word.
Fire detection is possible but hard to do in GA aircraft. It costs money to
make it reliable. The hardest part is figuring out where to put the fire
sensor (which aren't temperature sensors).
> And I agree with you on all the previous I deleted from this message for
> the sake of brevity.
That is the right answer.
So Doc, what would you pay for a "bitchin' betty" aircraft systems monitor?
Sure we can make it monitor the engine but what about the electrical system
and the pneumatic system too? How about messages like:
"generator output low"
"air pressure low"
"emergency air pressure low"
"landing gear"
"fuel level left low" or maybe "bingo fuel"
in addition to the messages for the engine.
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
brian-yak@lloyd.com Suite 201
http://www.lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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| Subject: | Re: Smart systems |
--> Yak-List message posted by: DaBear <dabear@damned.org>
Brian Lloyd wrote:
>--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
>
>Barry Hancock wrote:
>
>
>
>>>smart enough to *tell* you when there is something wrong.
>>>
>>>
>>Yeah, well, the JPI does this, as do the other systems, BUT, Brian,
>>you're right...why take up HALF MY FRIGGIN' PANEL to give me a bunch of
>>information I don't want to see unless something is wrong, or I
>>specifically want to check something???? My best guess is it comes
>>down to sales...it just looks prettier with all those colors shining at
>>once.
>>
>>
>
>I suspect you will get an argument from people on this but I agree with you. I
>don't care about my oil pressure unless it has a problem and then I want to
>know right now and not sometime later when I think to look at the gauge.
>
>
>
That is why I'm looking at the GRT. IT Works as something else, except
when I want to look at my engine instruments. AND it has alarms
(audible and visual) when something is out of spec.
Al
Note: I have no financial interest in GRT, don't own their stock, or
own any other company stock that owns GRT (that I'm aware of). I'm not
related to anyone working there, your mileage may vary, void where
prohibited, past performance....
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| Subject: | Chinese 3 blade propellers |
--> Yak-List message posted by: JOE <joeh@shaw.ca>
Our JL2B 3 blade props have finally arrived!
For info off line, joeh@shaw.ca
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| Subject: | Re: was Yak Air Bottles, now paintball tanks |
--> Yak-List message posted by: brian olofsson <brian060901@yahoo.com>
Actually, paintballs are now powered by CO2, nitrogen or compressed air. Possibly
even hot air. Anyway, point being there are so many light weight tanks made
today that we should beable to find one that would replace these steel things
as they rust. Possibly if there was enough interest these could be special made.
Brian
Dave Laird <dave@davelaird.com> wrote:--> Yak-List message posted by: Dave Laird
Speaking of paintball tanks...
Aren't those paintball things sometimes powered by nitrogen....as in
"hey, i need some nitrogen in my struts...."
Has anyone figured out what gauges/fittings to put on the nitrogen
paintball gun refill tanks so they regulate the pressure down
to the approx. 300psi and approx. 150psi for CJ6 struts?
Dave Laird
N63536 1983 CJ6A "Betty"
Dallas
On May 27, 2005, at 10:58 AM, brian olofsson wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: brian olofsson
>
> My son has a "carbon fiber" wrapped paint ball tank "aprox" the size
> of the emergencytank. It's rated to 3,200 psi. Point being there has
> to be something better out there than these corrosion prone steel
> things. this tank weights next to nothing Brian
>
> Jorgen Nielsen wrote:--> Yak-List message
> posted by: "Jorgen Nielsen"
>
> What is the problem with buying new bottles from Aerostar? They make
> the occasional post to this site?
>
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| Subject: | brian olofsson sent you this eBay item: Paintball PMI PURE ENERGY |
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Yakers,
I'm on it! I have 3 companies looking at the task and will be getting back
to me with bids, However I do not have a set of Yak 52 tanks to use as a
pattern. Anyone out there have a set of junk Yak 52 tanks to donate to the
cause??
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of brian olofsson
Subject: Re: Yak-List: was Yak Air Bottles, now paintball tanks
--> Yak-List message posted by: brian olofsson <brian060901@yahoo.com>
Actually, paintballs are now powered by CO2, nitrogen or compressed air.
Possibly even hot air. Anyway, point being there are so many light weight
tanks made today that we should beable to find one that would replace these
steel things as they rust. Possibly if there was enough interest these could
be special made. Brian
Dave Laird <dave@davelaird.com> wrote:--> Yak-List message posted by: Dave
Laird
Speaking of paintball tanks...
Aren't those paintball things sometimes powered by nitrogen....as in
"hey, i need some nitrogen in my struts...."
Has anyone figured out what gauges/fittings to put on the nitrogen
paintball gun refill tanks so they regulate the pressure down
to the approx. 300psi and approx. 150psi for CJ6 struts?
Dave Laird
N63536 1983 CJ6A "Betty"
Dallas
On May 27, 2005, at 10:58 AM, brian olofsson wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: brian olofsson
>
> My son has a "carbon fiber" wrapped paint ball tank "aprox" the size
> of the emergencytank. It's rated to 3,200 psi. Point being there has
> to be something better out there than these corrosion prone steel
> things. this tank weights next to nothing Brian
>
> Jorgen Nielsen wrote:--> Yak-List message
> posted by: "Jorgen Nielsen"
>
> What is the problem with buying new bottles from Aerostar? They make
> the occasional post to this site?
>
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| Subject: | Re: was Yak Air Bottles, now paintball tanks |
--> Yak-List message posted by: brian olofsson <brian060901@yahoo.com>
This was tongue in cheek when I mentioned the paint ball tanks. but, after looking
into it alittle I have found a 92cubic in 4,500psi carbon fiber tank weighing
in at aprox 2lbs. How many cubic inches are the yak tanks? Brian
brian olofsson <brian060901@yahoo.com> wrote:--> Yak-List message posted by: brian
olofsson
Actually, paintballs are now powered by CO2, nitrogen or compressed air. Possibly
even hot air. Anyway, point being there are so many light weight tanks made
today that we should beable to find one that would replace these steel things
as they rust. Possibly if there was enough interest these could be special made.
Brian
Dave Laird wrote:--> Yak-List message posted by: Dave Laird
Speaking of paintball tanks...
Aren't those paintball things sometimes powered by nitrogen....as in
"hey, i need some nitrogen in my struts...."
Has anyone figured out what gauges/fittings to put on the nitrogen
paintball gun refill tanks so they regulate the pressure down
to the approx. 300psi and approx. 150psi for CJ6 struts?
Dave Laird
N63536 1983 CJ6A "Betty"
Dallas
On May 27, 2005, at 10:58 AM, brian olofsson wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: brian olofsson
>
> My son has a "carbon fiber" wrapped paint ball tank "aprox" the size
> of the emergencytank. It's rated to 3,200 psi. Point being there has
> to be something better out there than these corrosion prone steel
> things. this tank weights next to nothing Brian
>
> Jorgen Nielsen wrote:--> Yak-List message
> posted by: "Jorgen Nielsen"
>
> What is the problem with buying new bottles from Aerostar? They make
> the occasional post to this site?
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Doug,
Contact Dennis Savarese. I know for a fact he has an emergency tank that is
TU. He fussed and fumed over that one for a while before finding the leak.
Tried to weld it but did not work. Funny thing the leak was in the region
of the tank that is the most dependant part of the tank . Go figure,
gravity and water at it's best or worst in this case.
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: Doug Sapp <rvfltd@televar.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 5/27/2005 6:36:20 PM
> Subject: Yak-List: Yak Air Bottles
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
>
> Yakers,
> I'm on it! I have 3 companies looking at the task and will be getting
back
> to me with bids, However I do not have a set of Yak 52 tanks to use as a
> pattern. Anyone out there have a set of junk Yak 52 tanks to donate to
the
> cause??
>
> Always Yakin,
> Doug Sapp
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of brian olofsson
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: was Yak Air Bottles, now paintball tanks
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: brian olofsson <brian060901@yahoo.com>
>
> Actually, paintballs are now powered by CO2, nitrogen or compressed air.
> Possibly even hot air. Anyway, point being there are so many light weight
> tanks made today that we should beable to find one that would replace
these
> steel things as they rust. Possibly if there was enough interest these
could
> be special made. Brian
>
> Dave Laird <dave@davelaird.com> wrote:--> Yak-List message posted by: Dave
> Laird
>
> Speaking of paintball tanks...
>
> Aren't those paintball things sometimes powered by nitrogen....as in
> "hey, i need some nitrogen in my struts...."
>
> Has anyone figured out what gauges/fittings to put on the nitrogen
> paintball gun refill tanks so they regulate the pressure down
> to the approx. 300psi and approx. 150psi for CJ6 struts?
>
>
> Dave Laird
> N63536 1983 CJ6A "Betty"
> Dallas
>
>
> On May 27, 2005, at 10:58 AM, brian olofsson wrote:
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: brian olofsson
>
> >
> > My son has a "carbon fiber" wrapped paint ball tank "aprox" the size
> > of the emergencytank. It's rated to 3,200 psi. Point being there has
> > to be something better out there than these corrosion prone steel
> > things. this tank weights next to nothing Brian
> >
> > Jorgen Nielsen wrote:--> Yak-List message
> > posted by: "Jorgen Nielsen"
> >
> > What is the problem with buying new bottles from Aerostar? They make
> > the occasional post to this site?
> >
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Keep the price in the range of the Blue Mountain or Dynon non TSO'd HSI/ADI
EFIS systems and I would be interested.
Considering if the ADI in my bird goes TU, I am looking at getting the Blue
Mountain EFIS. It will fit directly into the vacated ADI hole without much
ado.
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 5/27/2005 2:39:49 PM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: EGT / CHT
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
>
>
> Roger Doc Kemp wrote:
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp"
<viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> >
> > \Wounder if we can get the rights/patten to that neat little
instrument.
>
> Possibly. Barry and I tried to do that about three years back. I think he
had
> one in his Ghirkin. Regardless, we could replicate it. A friend of mine,
Matt
> Dodd, is just about done with the gear warning system for the Yak and CJ.
(He
> lurks here getting ideas for instrumentation from you guys because he is
not a
> pilot yet.) If people like the idea of an engine monitor that takes up no
room
> in the panel and will handle any number of engines and cylinders (think
B-17
> or B-24 here), we could do that without too much trouble too.
>
> > It could easily go in the current CHT hole and really would serve a
purpose.
>
> Right. It could even be a hidden box with no display at all. You can still
> keep your steam gauges and yet have all the aural warning stuff. No
reason why
> not.
>
> > Now that is something that I could use. Kinda like bitch'n Betty in the
> > Viper, but... sometimes you really do want to choke the b_ _ _ _ _.
>
> Yeah, you need a way to say, "shut the ... up, sweetie." A button on the
front
> or on the throttle would work just fine.
>
> > But she will even tell you are on fire with[out] 2 saying a word.
>
> Fire detection is possible but hard to do in GA aircraft. It costs money
to
> make it reliable. The hardest part is figuring out where to put the fire
> sensor (which aren't temperature sensors).
>
> > And I agree with you on all the previous I deleted from this message
for
> > the sake of brevity.
>
> That is the right answer.
>
> So Doc, what would you pay for a "bitchin' betty" aircraft systems
monitor?
> Sure we can make it monitor the engine but what about the electrical
system
> and the pneumatic system too? How about messages like:
>
> "generator output low"
> "air pressure low"
> "emergency air pressure low"
> "landing gear"
> "fuel level left low" or maybe "bingo fuel"
>
> in addition to the messages for the engine.
>
>
> --
> Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
> brian-yak@lloyd.com Suite 201
> http://www.lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
> +1.340.998.9447 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
>
> I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
> - Antoine de Saint-Exupery
>
>
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