Today's Message Index:
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1. 12:40 AM - trim (Mark Jefferies)
2. 04:47 AM - Re: North East Raiders (Rob Mortara)
3. 05:24 AM - Re: trim (Frank Haertlein)
4. 05:29 AM - Elections and Maintenance Articles (Drew Blahnick)
5. 05:30 AM - Re: North East Raiders (James J Ehrig Jr.)
6. 06:07 AM - Oil Loss (Richard Goode)
7. 06:53 AM - RPA Elections (Drew Blahnick)
8. 06:54 AM - Re: Oil Loss (Roger Doc Kemp)
9. 07:04 AM - Fw: AGE-85 (Ernest Martinez)
10. 07:07 AM - Re: Re: AGE-85 (Ernest Martinez)
11. 08:27 AM - Re: MTW&OSH changes (Barry Hancock)
12. 08:42 AM - Yak/CJ6 air bottles (Rob Kent)
13. 09:14 AM - Re: CYLINDER GASKETS (Doug Sapp)
14. 09:24 AM - Re: Re: AGE-85 (Jon Boede)
15. 09:29 AM - Re: CYLINDER GASKETS (Jon Boede)
16. 09:35 AM - Re: Re: AGE-85 (Ernest Martinez)
17. 12:27 PM - Re: CYLINDER GASKETS (N13472@aol.com)
18. 03:17 PM - Re: CYLINDER GASKETS (JOE)
19. 03:51 PM - Re: CYLINDER GASKETS (Doug Sapp)
20. 05:39 PM - 3-blade props (Jim Ivey)
21. 07:59 PM - Re: MTW&OSH Changes (Walt Fricke)
22. 08:33 PM - Final Flights (Walt Fricke)
23. 09:19 PM - Re: MTW&OSH Changes (Roger Doc Kemp)
24. 10:22 PM - Re: 3-blade props (Mark Schrick)
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Jefferies" <mark.j@yakuk.com>
1. Has a flutter calculation and test been done.
2. Is additional weight added in the leading edge
3. Why not mount the motor in the fuse and drive the existing worm drive, no
control balance doubt by doing that.
BR, MJ
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
<yak52driver@earthlink.net>
YAKKERS
Here's a link to a picture that details the electrical trim installation
for a 52. It's a rough drawing with no dimensions. It's .5 MB large so
may take some time to download. It should be enough information for you
to replicate the setup.
Here's the link.... http://home.earthlink.net/~yak52driver/trim1.jpg
The servo parts are from Ray Allen Company.
Aircraft Spruce and Specialty part numbers....
Servo 11-02065
Servo Relay Deck 11-02076
Hat Switch 11-02075
Trim Indicator 11-02020
If you don't already have a 24 to 12 volt converter you will need the
following part...
12V Regulator 11-02036
Pushrod Kit 11-02040
50FT roll wire 11-01579
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Rob Mortara" <rob@robinhill.com>
Please email me if you want to be included in the group. Its private and not
opened to the public. So you won't get any spam.
It is for any one to join but for red star pilots flying in the North East.
It may be a good way for us to communicate and organize some flying.
Any comments would be appreciated
rob
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Mark;
In answer to your questions.......
1. Flutter calculation has not been done.
2. Flutter test has been performed. My elevator is nose heavy due to the
counterweight...... came from the factory that way (tail heavy control
surfaces are most likely to flutter).
3. I thought about throwing away the worm gear and then driving the
existing trim system with the servo. There then would have been no need
to open up the elevator or redo the flutter calculations. Only problem
was when I tried to do that the servo proved too big to mount in the
area now occupied by the worm gear.
These servos are light weight and are used in many different
experimentals. In many cases, they are embedded into the control surface
(elevator, aileron) so I had no qualms about doing the same thing.
Good Luck
Frank
N9110M
YAK-52
L71
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Jefferies
Subject: Yak-List: trim
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Jefferies" <mark.j@yakuk.com>
1. Has a flutter calculation and test been done.
2. Is additional weight added in the leading edge
3. Why not mount the motor in the fuse and drive the existing worm
drive, no control balance doubt by doing that.
BR, MJ
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
<yak52driver@earthlink.net>
YAKKERS
Here's a link to a picture that details the electrical trim installation
for a 52. It's a rough drawing with no dimensions. It's .5 MB large so
may take some time to download. It should be enough information for you
to replicate the setup.
Here's the link.... http://home.earthlink.net/~yak52driver/trim1.jpg
The servo parts are from Ray Allen Company.
Aircraft Spruce and Specialty part numbers....
Servo 11-02065
Servo Relay Deck 11-02076
Hat Switch 11-02075
Trim Indicator 11-02020
If you don't already have a 24 to 12 volt converter you will need the
following part...
12V Regulator 11-02036
Pushrod Kit 11-02040
50FT roll wire 11-01579
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Drew Blahnick <lacloudchaser@yahoo.com>
Folks,
Thanks for the positive feedback on those receiving the first edition of Hangar
Talk - The RPA Flight Training Bulletin. As mentioned, we have another newsletter
bulletin called the Oily Rag that "just" deals with MX Issues. Send those
articles to us and we will get that publication out as well. Now check this
out...
Elections: I've asked our newsletter "coders" about imbedding the July ballots
for Board positions within the upcoming special election newsletter, which (if
it works) will allow you to click your selections with the mouse and hit return
for counting. So lets have a real election in July...
If you think the RPA should be "more" in any area, now here's your chance -
So far we only have these folks on record for BoD positions: (not including those
already on the BoD who wish to remain on).
1. "Ski" (Yak-52TW/SC Region),
2. Terry Calloway (CJ-6, NC Region) and
3. Barry (CJ-6, Yak-50, L-39, Lancair, I've Got Gas Money What Do I want Next/SW
Region;) Barry as many known is on the BoD but did not have a BoD approved
election and faces your wrath. He paid several million dollars from an overseas
slush fund to my private account and was appointed to fill a SW BoD seat, but
then I blew all the cash in Vegas and had to sell him my Yak, darn how the
world turns...
Folks, I can attest the BoD positions are not demanding on time, but they do have
an impact on what direction the RPA takes, what gets done, how the money is
spent, etc. I'm partial to Regional Coordinators, Event Directors, Air Bosses,
Store Managers, Web Managers, and folks who are always showing up at events,
and anyone else, new member or old veteran, to take that final step and be a
voice on a new BoD that will help take this association where it needs to go
in such areas as corporate sponsorship to provide products and services for members
needs, evolve our web design and who knows, perhaps purchase an association-owned
AN-2 Colt to carry the wives, oil and food to the next Fly In (with
"T-34 owners - Buy A Yak!" blazoned across the bottom of the wings).
I will set the seats up to the number allowed by the bylaws based on the demands
of the membership & association - this comes from you. Lets have a real election,
throw your name in there...
Hey, I'm not hinting...but if your listed here, you should consider it...
You (yea I know, tricked ya)
Herbs (Have we hit 50 at MTW yet?)
Shane Gs (provides good BBQ & likes mass formation)
Paul Ds (Canadians are yakkers too)
Adrian Bs (bringing up that little area hanging off the top right side of the US
map)
Foxs (the next Walmart CEO)
D E+9s
Dave (your majesty, the King)
Tom (will be selling insurance door to door soon)
Scott Ms (hey guys, yaks can takeoff above 5300 feet field elevation, I promise!)
"Buzzards" keep flying around here...keep swooping down on my damn six...
Its Freezer or Frosty cold around these parts, but Shrek likes it that way...
Greg Ms (I don't get involved in that stuff, but then again...)
Tihatcheks (forget the spelling, go with the pronunciation)
Kieth Hs (ok, one more time, Nebraska is located just left of...)
Rabbit (uh, actually, you have to be a meat eater and own and airplane I think,
isn't that right Al?)
And anyone else I didn't mention...email me directly and CC to admin@ flyredstar.org
Drew Blahnick
RPA President
If you have an article on MX issues, mods or procedures that perhaps showed up
here on the list months or even years ago and would like to resurface the information,
please send it along to admin@flyredstar.org At this time, we are not
posting past issues at the website (thats planned though), so print or save your
newsletters to the HD for later reference.
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Total Messages Posted Wed 06/08/05: 28
Today's Message Index:
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1. 12:56 AM - Pilot not expected to make it (Frank Haertlein)
2. 04:58 AM - Re: Yak-52 metal chip light (Stephen Fox)
3. 07:14 AM - Re: Yak-52 metal chip light (PHCarter@aol.com)
4. 08:52 AM - Re: Pilot not expected to make it (cjpilot710@aol.com)
5. 09:18 AM - stuck in Chico (cjpilot710@aol.com)
6. 09:28 AM - Re: MTW&OSH changes (Barry Hancock)
7. 10:01 AM - Re: stuck in Chico (N13472@aol.com)
8. 10:04 AM - Stuck in Chico (N13472@aol.com)
9. 10:27 AM - Re: Re: MTW&OSH changes (Roger Doc Kemp)
10. 10:41 AM - Re: stuck in Chico (Roger Doc Kemp)
11. 10:59 AM - Re: 3 quarts / hour (Jorgen Nielsen)
12. 11:30 AM - Re: 3 quarts / hour (Mike Beresford)
13. 11:43 AM - Re: 3 quarts / hour (Don Glittenberg)
14. 11:47 AM - TRIM System for 52 (Frank Haertlein)
15. 12:52 PM - Re: 3 quarts / hour (Roger Doc Kemp)
16. 01:09 PM - Re: 3 quarts / hour (Jorgen Nielsen)
17. 02:05 PM - Re: Yak-52 metal chip light (Stephen Fox)
18. 02:18 PM - Fw: MTW/OSH ()
19. 02:27 PM - Duds to OSH/MTW (ByronMFox@aol.com)
20. 02:51 PM - Re: Duds to OSH/MTW (Roger Doc Kemp)
21. 03:01 PM - Re: Duds to OSH/MTW (ByronMFox@aol.com)
22. 03:10 PM - ...but you know that, Doc (ByronMFox@aol.com)
23. 03:12 PM - AGE-85 (Ernest Martinez)
24. 04:21 PM - Re: AGE-85 (Cpayne)
25. 05:48 PM - CYLINDER GASKETS (Steve Dalton)
26. 07:26 PM - RPA Newsletter (Drew Blahnick)
27. 11:10 PM - gas cap wing cover (aviatre@aol.com)
28. 11:47 PM - Re: gas cap wing cover (Mark Schrick)
________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
Time: 12:56:08 AM PST US
From: "Frank Haertlein"
Subject: Yak-List: Pilot not expected to make it
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
Pappy;
You mentioned that a pilot friend of yours wasn't expected to make it
due to viral pneumonia.
I notice that you were writing from Chico, California. Was your friend
within this area when he was stricken?
Chico is within the geographical area known for "VALLEY FEVER". Valley
fever is a fungal infection of the lungs that very closely mimics the
flu and/or pneumonia. It can be lethal to those with compromised immune
systems or to those of certain ethnic backgrounds.
Within this region, Valley Fever fungal spores live in the soil and are
made airborne with high winds....common this time of year in California.
As I understand it, Doctors often mis-diagnose Valley Fever for
pneumonia, especially if they practice outside of the region where it
normally occurs.
I'm not a doctor, but if he was within this geographic region,
especially now when it's not flu season and he has symptoms of
pneumonia, the doctors should look at the possibility of Valley Fever.
There are treatments for it.
Hope it helps......
Frank
N9110M
YAK-52
L71
________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
Time: 04:58:14 AM PST US
From: Stephen Fox
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak-52 metal chip light
--> Yak-List message posted by: Stephen Fox
Had the very same thing happening to me after a recent oil change.
Turns out bad connection where the wire connects to the sensor so
that before the engine got warm and running at low RPMs the light
would flicker. Fixed the connection and flicker is gone.
Steve Fox
On Jun 8, 2005, at 1:12 AM, PHCarter@aol.com wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: PHCarter@aol.com
>
> My metal chip light started to flicker a bit a few flights ago when
> the
> engine was cold. After this first flight, the metal chip light was
> coming on,
> bright, when I turned on the instrument switch, but as the engined
> warmed, the
> light went out and stayed out during flight once the engine was
> warm. I was
> concerned so investigated by looking at the wire screens and
> inspecting the metal
> chip sensor in the front oil sump. I did not find any metal chips and
> everything looked okay, except the chip sensor appeared a bit dirty
> and bent. I
> cleaned the sensor, but this did not help. I replaced the sensor
> with a new one,
> but this did not help. The light still comes one when the engine
> is cold and
> goes out a few minutes after the engine is started.
>
> The oil was changed about 15 hours ago, and I am about 60 hours
> since annual.
> The engine has about 250 hours on it. Everything else is great, no
> maintenaince problems, and no other events. The engine appears to
> run smooth and
> strong. I use Aeroshell 100W. I have flown about 3 hours with this
> metal chip
> light issue, but don't want to continue until I know what is going on.
>
> Does any one have similar experiences or advice?
>
> Preston Carter
> N6209F
>
>
Steve Fox
Thinkx
Raising Intellectual capital
http;//www.thinkxic.com
Dir: 603-924-8660
Cell: 603-547-0448
email: sfox@thinkxic.com
________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
Time: 07:14:13 AM PST US
From: PHCarter@aol.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak-52 metal chip light
--> Yak-List message posted by: PHCarter@aol.com
Steve
Thanks for the suggestion. I will check the connection today. What you
describe is what I am experiencing.
Because I have already inspected the sensor several times and replaced the
sensor, I know the bolted connection has always been tight. When you say "bad
connection" are you referring to the crimp of the wire to the post connector?
I will also re-inspect the wire routing to make sure there is not a problem
with the wire being burnt or shorting.
Preston, N6209F
________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________
Time: 08:52:52 AM PST US
From: cjpilot710@aol.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Pilot not expected to make it
--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
Frank,
Our pilot Bob Malonch had just returned from a trip to Turkey. Evidently wasn't
feeling to well on the trip home. We've heard no word from his wife the last
few days. He wasn't with us when he was stricken but was due to replace me.
Thanks for the concern.
Pappy
-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Haertlein
Subject: Yak-List: Pilot not expected to make it
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
Pappy;
You mentioned that a pilot friend of yours wasn't expected to make it
due to viral pneumonia.
I notice that you were writing from Chico, California. Was your friend
within this area when he was stricken?
Chico is within the geographical area known for "VALLEY FEVER". Valley
fever is a fungal infection of the lungs that very closely mimics the
flu and/or pneumonia. It can be lethal to those with compromised immune
systems or to those of certain ethnic backgrounds.
Within this region, Valley Fever fungal spores live in the soil and are
made airborne with high winds....common this time of year in California.
As I understand it, Doctors often mis-diagnose Valley Fever for
pneumonia, especially if they practice outside of the region where it
normally occurs.
I'm not a doctor, but if he was within this geographic region,
especially now when it's not flu season and he has symptoms of
pneumonia, the doctors should look at the possibility of Valley Fever.
There are treatments for it.
Hope it helps......
Frank
N9110M
YAK-52
L71
________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________
Time: 09:18:07 AM PST US
From: cjpilot710@aol.com
Subject: Yak-List: stuck in Chico
--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
Troops,
Stuck in Chico, CA. due weather. I'm copiloting the B-17 at this point. Its MVFR
here. We're supposed to head to Crescent City on the coast but the mountains
are obscured and icing from 8,000 to 24,000. MEA is 10,000'. We got no oxygen
and no deicing boots on "909". So we sit. Yes, yes I know the WW2 troops
did it why can't we. Well they and thousands of planes were somewhat expendable.
This B-17 is rare as well as me. ;-)
Near by is a little meausum There is Yak-52 and AN-2 in the 5 airplane collection.
Both are in pretty bad shape.
The OSH arrival procedures as Blade pointed out is still being "worked on". For
the most part the big deal is the mass arrival set for one day as part of the
show. It will behoove us all to be very careful in our planning of this particulars
sortie. Not just us but the all the other Warbird groups are involved.
Timing will be extremely important but very do able. Other formation arrival
may differ a little.
I'd love to see 50 of us (RedStar) there. My real push is to get 50 CJ-6 ready
for the 50th anniversary in 2008. The Yak guys are welcome to bring up the rear.
:)
Pappy
-----Original Message-----
From: cjpilot710@aol.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Pilot not expected to make it
--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
Frank,
Our pilot Bob Malonch had just returned from a trip to Turkey. Evidently wasn't
feeling to well on the trip home. We've heard no word from his wife the last
few days. He wasn't with us when he was stricken but was due to replace me.
Thanks for the concern.
Pappy
-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Haertlein
Subject: Yak-List: Pilot not expected to make it
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
Pappy;
You mentioned that a pilot friend of yours wasn't expected to make it
due to viral pneumonia.
I notice that you were writing from Chico, California. Was your friend
within this area when he was stricken?
Chico is within the geographical area known for "VALLEY FEVER". Valley
fever is a fungal infection of the lungs that very closely mimics the
flu and/or pneumonia. It can be lethal to those with compromised immune
systems or to those of certain ethnic backgrounds.
Within this region, Valley Fever fungal spores live in the soil and are
made airborne with high winds....common this time of year in California.
As I understand it, Doctors often mis-diagnose Valley Fever for
pneumonia, especially if they practice outside of the region where it
normally occurs.
I'm not a doctor, but if he was within this geographic region,
especially now when it's not flu season and he has symptoms of
pneumonia, the doctors should look at the possibility of Valley Fever.
There are treatments for it.
Hope it helps......
Frank
N9110M
YAK-52
L71
________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________
Time: 09:28:27 AM PST US
From: Barry Hancock
Subject: Yak-List: Re: MTW&OSH changes
--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock
On Jun 7, 2005, at 11:58 PM, Yak-List Digest Server wrote:
> Barry, top off them tanks this time :
> )
Added 12 gallons to the Yak-50 tanks, we should be good!...and now I
can fly inverted if I get bored holding over warbird island for 30
minutes..... :)- That assumes, of course, I'm not forced to fly one of
our L-39's back there.... ;)
B
Barry Hancock
Worldwide Warbirds, Inc.
1-866-L39-JETS
cell (949) 300-5510
www.worldwidewarbirds.com
www.sharedsquadrons.com
________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________
Time: 10:01:36 AM PST US
From: N13472@aol.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: stuck in Chico
--> Yak-List message posted by: N13472@aol.com
In a message dated 6/8/2005 9:18:56 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
cjpilot710@aol.com writes:
--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
Troops,
Stuck in Chico, CA. due weather
You could be in a worst place? Chico is known as one of the best collage
party towns in the
USA. If it is still there try the Brazen Nagger ( Brass Ass) bar and pizza
joint.
Tom Elliott
CJ-6 NX63727
Sandy Valley NV
3L2
702-723-1223
________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________
Time: 10:04:42 AM PST US
From: N13472@aol.com
Subject: Yak-List: Stuck in Chico
--> Yak-List message posted by: N13472@aol.com
a message dated 6/8/2005 9:18:56 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
cjpilot710@aol.com writes:
--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
Troops,
Stuck in Chico, CA. due weather
Note corrected spelling of Onager, never let spell check run unattended.
You could be in a worst place? Chico is known as one of the best collage
party towns in the
USA. If it is still there try the Brazen Onager ( Brass Ass) bar and pizza
joint.
Tom Elliott
CJ-6 NX63727
Sandy Valley NV
3L2
702-723-1223
________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________
Time: 10:27:07 AM PST US
From: "Roger Doc Kemp"
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: MTW&OSH changes
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp"
Barry,
Oh, life is a bitch! Now we holding inverted and/or flying the L-39. Ah...
but life IS GOOD with AIR under YOUR ASS! Is it not! Sorry I'm gonna miss
this!
By the way.. where is the L-39 from? I am having an internal war with
myself over can I really afford one or is it one hell of a pipedream. What
are you seeing for hourly operating cost?
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: Barry Hancock
> To:
> Date: 6/8/2005 11:27:57 AM
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: MTW&OSH changes
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock
>
>
> On Jun 7, 2005, at 11:58 PM, Yak-List Digest Server wrote:
>
> > Barry, top off them tanks this time :
> > )
>
> Added 12 gallons to the Yak-50 tanks, we should be good!...and now I
> can fly inverted if I get bored holding over warbird island for 30
> minutes..... :)- That assumes, of course, I'm not forced to fly one of
> our L-39's back there.... ;)
>
> B
>
> Barry Hancock
> Worldwide Warbirds, Inc.
> 1-866-L39-JETS
> cell (949) 300-5510
> www.worldwidewarbirds.com
> www.sharedsquadrons.com
>
>
________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________
Time: 10:41:46 AM PST US
From: "Roger Doc Kemp"
Subject: RE: Yak-List: stuck in Chico
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp"
> From:
> Subject: Yak-List: stuck in Chico
>Pappy wrote:
> Troops,
>
> Stuck in Chico, CA. . Yes, yes I know the WW2 troops did it why can't
we. Well they and thousands of planes were somewhat expendable. This B-17
is rare as well as me. ;-)
Whining and quibbling! That's a beer! :-)
>
get 50 CJ-6 ready for the 50th anniversary in 2008. The Yak guys are
welcome to bring up the rear. :)
Bring up the REAR indeed! You forget your origins there ol' great white
one! We gave you the YAK 18. When ya'll are ready for this flyby, we'll
bring our 18P up to lead it.;-).
Doc
>
>
________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________
Time: 10:59:22 AM PST US
From: "Jorgen Nielsen"
Subject: RE: Yak-List: 3 quarts / hour
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jorgen Nielsen"
Sounds nasty but traceable? and fixable.
On to another subject...
I had a first for me today - have not flown my Yak52 for at least 4
weeks, all the oil had drained out.
Not like a couple litres, but about all of it. The dipstick only showed
a trace on the very bottom, had to put 9 litres in to go fly. Battled
to clear the oil from the cylinders.
Must be that valve thingy in the oil supply system???
Anyone else have the same thing happen to them?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jon Boede
> Sent: 05 June 2005 19:01 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: 3 quarts / hour
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jon Boede"
>
> This is the third time this has happened and it's been pretty
> consistent symptoms each time.
>
> 3 quarts an hour oil usage plus sloppy wet airplane =
> cylinder base gasket disintegrated.
>
> #1 this time.
>
> Just crossed 1,000 hours SMOH on the engine so I suppose I
> shouldn't complain. Just six hours to pull the cylinder and
> put a new gasket down; not something I was ever planning to
> get good at, but I yam. :-)
>
> Jon
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________
Time: 11:30:04 AM PST US
From: Mike Beresford
Subject: RE: Yak-List: 3 quarts / hour
--> Yak-List message posted by: Mike Beresford
Hi
"Must be that valve thingy in the oil supply
system???"
No, probably she's just crying it all out because she
thinks you've abandoned her for a sleeker, curvier
model ;-)
How's the L-29 going?
Blue skies
Mike
--- Jorgen Nielsen wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jorgen Nielsen"
>
>
> Sounds nasty but traceable? and fixable.
>
> On to another subject...
>
> I had a first for me today - have not flown my Yak52
> for at least 4
> weeks, all the oil had drained out.
>
> Not like a couple litres, but about all of it. The
> dipstick only showed
> a trace on the very bottom, had to put 9 litres in
> to go fly. Battled
> to clear the oil from the cylinders.
>
> Must be that valve thingy in the oil supply
> system???
>
> Anyone else have the same thing happen to them?
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On
> Behalf Of Jon Boede
> > Sent: 05 June 2005 19:01 PM
> > To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Yak-List: 3 quarts / hour
> >
> >
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jon Boede"
>
> >
> > This is the third time this has happened and it's
> been pretty
> > consistent symptoms each time.
> >
> > 3 quarts an hour oil usage plus sloppy wet
> airplane =
> > cylinder base gasket disintegrated.
> >
> > #1 this time.
> >
> > Just crossed 1,000 hours SMOH on the engine so I
> suppose I
> > shouldn't complain. Just six hours to pull the
> cylinder and
> > put a new gasket down; not something I was ever
> planning to
> > get good at, but I yam. :-)
> >
> > Jon
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________
Time: 11:43:04 AM PST US
From: "Don Glittenberg"
Subject: Re: Yak-List: 3 quarts / hour
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Don Glittenberg"
Yup, My Yak 50 drained all 11 liters onto the hangar floor. Sometimes it
does it and sometimes is doesn't. Can't figure it out.
Don Glittenberg
N121GC
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jorgen Nielsen"
Subject: RE: Yak-List: 3 quarts / hour
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jorgen Nielsen"
>
>
> Sounds nasty but traceable? and fixable.
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "James J Ehrig Jr." <jjejr@adelphia.net>
Hi Rob:
Include us in the North East Raiders, We have 2 Yaks in Niagara Falls
Air Base, Bill Mack has a 52, Jim Ehrig has a 52 W .
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Richard Goode" <richard.goode@russianaeros.com>
I am concerned that pilots seem to be relaxed about losing most of the contents
of their oil tanks into the engine.
Very simply, if the oil is not in tank it is in the engine, and it is making hydraulic-lock
FAR more likely.
As it has been written, the fault is the automatic valve in the oil pump intake
=96 a simple problem can be grit on this, but more often it is worn and not seating
properly.
My own suggestion to people that (as should be routine) the engine should be scavenged
at a minimum of 60% for a minimum of 20 seconds before shutting down.
At that stage read the oil level, and when you return to fly the aeroplane, a loss
of more than 1-litre/1-quart should be looked into. That oil is in the engine
somewhere!
Richard Goode
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Herefordshire
HR5 3LW
United Kingdom
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Mob: +44 (0) 7768 610389
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Drew Blahnick <lacloudchaser@yahoo.com>
Folks,
If you think the RPA should be "more" in any area, now here's your chance -
So far we only have these folks on record for BoD positions: (not including those
already on the BoD who wish to remain on).
1. "Ski" (Yak-52TW/SC Region),
2. Terry Calloway (CJ-6, NC Region) and
3. Barry (CJ-6, Yak-50, L-39, Lancair, I've Got Gas Money What Do I want Next/SW
Region;) Barry as many known is on the BoD but did not have a BoD approved
election and faces your wrath. He paid several million dollars from an overseas
slush fund to my private account and was appointed to fill a SW BoD seat, but
then I blew all the cash in Vegas and had to sell him my Yak, darn how the
world turns...
Folks, I can attest the BoD positions are not demanding on time, but they do have
an impact on what direction the RPA takes, what gets done, how the money is
spent, etc. I'm partial to Regional Coordinators, Event Directors, Air Bosses,
Store Managers, Web Managers, and folks who are always showing up at events,
and anyone else, new member or old veteran, to take that final step and be a
voice on a new BoD that will help take this association where it needs to go
in such areas as corporate sponsorship to provide products and services for members
needs, evolve our web design and who knows, perhaps purchase an association-owned
AN-2 Colt to carry the wives, oil and food to the next Fly In (with
"T-34 owners - Buy A Yak!" blazoned across the bottom of the wings).
I will set the seats up to the number allowed by the bylaws based on the demands
of the membership & association - this comes from you. Lets have a real election,
throw your name in there...
Hey, I'm not hinting...but if your listed here, you should consider it...
You (yea I know, tricked ya)
Herbs (Have we hit 50 at MTW yet?)
Shane Gs (provides good BBQ & likes mass formation)
Paul Ds (Canadians are yakkers too)
Adrian Bs (bringing up that little area hanging off the top right side of the US
map)
Foxs (the next Walmart CEO)
D E+9s
Dave (your majesty, the King)
Tom (will be selling insurance door to door soon)
Scott Ms (hey guys, yaks can takeoff above 5300 feet field elevation, I promise!)
"Buzzards" keep flying around here...keep swooping down on my damn six...
Its Freezer or Frosty cold around these parts, but Shrek likes it that way...
Greg Ms (I don't get involved in that stuff, but then again...)
Tihatcheks (forget the spelling, go with the pronunciation)
Kieth Hs (ok, one more time, Nebraska is located just left of...)
Rabbit (uh, actually, you have to be a meat eater and own and airplane I think,
isn't that right Al?)
And anyone else I didn't mention...email me directly and CC to admin@ flyredstar.org
Drew Blahnick
RPA President
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Whole hartedly agree.
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: Richard Goode <richard.goode@russianaeros.com>
> To: YAK USA LIST <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 6/9/2005 8:06:46 AM
> Subject: Yak-List: Oil Loss
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Richard Goode"
<richard.goode@russianaeros.com>
>
> I am concerned that pilots seem to be relaxed about losing most of the
contents of their oil tanks into the engine.
>
>
> Very simply, if the oil is not in tank it is in the engine, and it is
making hydraulic-lock FAR more likely.
>
>
> As it has been written, the fault is the automatic valve in the oil pump
intake =96 a simple problem can be grit on this, but more often it is worn
and not seating properly.
>
>
> My own suggestion to people that (as should be routine) the engine should
be scavenged at a minimum of 60% for a minimum of 20 seconds before
shutting down.
>
>
> At that stage read the oil level, and when you return to fly the
aeroplane, a loss of more than 1-litre/1-quart should be looked into. That
oil is in the engine somewhere!
>
>
> Richard Goode
>
>
> Richard Goode Aerobatics
> Rhodds Farm
> Lyonshall
> Herefordshire
> HR5 3LW
> United Kingdom
>
> Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
> Mob: +44 (0) 7768 610389
> Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
> www.russianaeros.com
>
> dangerous content by the http://www.invictawiz.com
> MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
Here is a response fro the folks doing the research on Aviation grade ethanol.
Anyone know of what fuel line components may be incompatible with ethanol??
Ernie
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: HELDER, DENNIS <Dennis.Helder@sdstate.edu>
Subject: RE: AGE-85
Hi Ernie,
Thanks for your inquiry. We are currently running Aviation Grade
Ethanol in a Pratt and Whitney R-1340 radial. We are getting more
horsepower, cooler engine operation, with an increase in fuel flow.
Ethanol works fine in radial engines. Water and ethanol are perfectly
miscible meaning they blend together completely when mixed in any
proportion. Thus, you will never have fuel line freeze up, carburetor
icing, or a slug of water getting to your engine causing it to stop.
We have flown on ethanol fuel with 10% water without any difficulty
(although we certainly do not recommend it!). You do need to insure
compatibility of polymer materials with ethanol, so check all those
materials in your fuel system.
We strongly discourage flying on auto gas with 10% ethanol. Our work
only involves Aviation Grade Ethanol, a formulation with at least 85%
ethanol in it.
Overall, we feel Aviation Grade Ethanol is a safer fuel with many
desirable properties such as increased horsepower, cooler engine
operation, longer engine life, and potentially lower fuel costs. The
only drawback is that it does take more fuel due to a lower energy
density running on ethanol, on the order of 15-30% depending on engine
type.
Hope this answers your questions. I"ve included a brochure on our
radial engine project.
Dennis
________________________________
From: Ernest Martinez [mailto:erniel29@gmail.com]
Subject: AGE-85
I stumbled across your website looking for information on ethanol
fuels for aircraft. I am interested in running ethanol in my
experimental warbird aircraft powered by a 285hp Husai 9 cylinder
radial engine used in the chinese Nanchang CJ-6 aircraft. The engine
is pretty much identical to the M-14P Russian radial. Both are rated
for 70 octane gasoline.
I've been getting conflicting information regarding the saftey of
ethanol in fuels beause of water retention and rubber seal
compatability. The M-14 is being widely used in many experimental
aircraft in the US and being able to run AGE-85 would be of great
interest to us.
Any information would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Ernie Martinez
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
I think things will change rapidly in the near future. The price of
oil isnt going to go down, and I like the idea of not sending my money
to the middle east.
Dont we grow corn down here?
Ernie
On 6/8/05, Cpayne <cpayne@joimail.com> wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Cpayne <cpayne@joimail.com>
>
> It is a given that alcohol-based fuels do not have the specific heat content
of higher-octane gasolines that we use in modern piston engines. This means a
higher consumption at a given power setting using alcohol blends. That being said,
the Germans in WW-II were forced to develop new fuels after the allies knocked
out the Polesti oilfields. Their solution was synthetic alcohols. These
alcohols reduced range but vastly improved high altitude performance due to increased
oxygen content. Exactly what Allied Bomber Command did NOT need.
>
> Fortunately for the Allies, the tide in the war had already turned.
>
> BTW, my Ford Ranger from the Mid-west has a multi-fuel engine capable of burning
up to 85% ethanol blended gasoline. Even there it didn't sell too well so
I got it real cheap for brand new. Fat chance finding Ethanol in anything but
a bottle here in FLA!
>
> Craig Payne
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: MTW&OSH changes |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <barry@flyredstar.org>
On Jun 8, 2005, at 11:59 PM, Yak-List Digest Server wrote:
> By the way.. where is the L-39 from? I am having an internal war with
> myself over can I really afford one or is it one hell of a pipedream.
> What
> are you seeing for hourly operating cost?
> Doc
Doc,
Check out our new program Shared Squadrons at www.sharedsquadrons.com.
Our L-39's are from various countries but currently go through the
Aeorstar facility in Romania for IRAN. We are currently looking into
completely Overhauled airframes with zero time engines. The Squadron
cost would go to approx. $125K per share (as opposed to the current
$105K) but you'd be flying a show quality, like new jet! Squadron
operating costs are $350/hr dry., plus $700/mo management fee (for our
current location, price depends on location). This includes full hull
insurance coverage and no limit on hours flown.
Compare that with individual ownership operating costs of roughly
$1200/hr (+/-). This cost is based on liability only insurance
coverage. Throw in all the necessary ground support equipment (tug,
etc.), scheduling and managing maintenance, finding parts, etc. and the
cost and hassle factors go up from there.
Not sure where you are, Doc, but find 3 other guys and we can start a
squadron near you...and you'll get a finders fee discount to go along
with your free ground school and first 10 hours of training ($8500
value).
If you have any other questions, feel free to contact me directly at
bhancock@sharedsquadrons.com.
Cheers,
Barry
Barry Hancock
President/CEO
Shared Squadrons, Inc.
cell (949) 300-5510
www.sharedsquadrons.com
"Experience the Ulitmate in Jet Warbird Ownership"
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| Subject: | Yak/CJ6 air bottles |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Rob Kent" <rkent@wlacrussianeng.co.uk>
>rusting main air bottles that EVERY YAK/CJ6
>owner will need to replace very soon. Russia has NO MORE tanks available
>anywhere.
I've had five 11 litre air bottles (main) and four 3 litre bottles
(emergency) out of Russia this year. Two of the 11 litre bottles were new
old stock (approx 1995) with the other three being Jan 2005 manufacture
(these three have already sold) and the 3 litre air bottles were all Nov
2004 manufacture (2 left in stock). I'm trying to get the same guys to
manufacture the 6 litre bottle as used in the Yk-50 and Sukhois but have had
no joy as yet.
Regards
Rob Kent
Stores Manager
WLAC - Russian Engineering
www.wlacrussianeng.co.uk
Tel: +44 1628 829 165
Fax: +44 1628 828 961
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| Subject: | CYLINDER GASKETS |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
I seriously doubt if the inclusion or the exclusion of the paper gasket is
directly causing any of the maladies in these engines, the culprit is the
stud. I mention this because I received several calls yesterday from
drivers who were worried that they had hade a mistake when they changed cly
studs and used paper gaskets. My take on the problem is that if the paper
gasket was not in there you simply would have seen the leak a bit earlier.
Gasket or no gasket, if the stud is loose your going to leak oil. And no,
there is nothing that you can goop on the outside to stop the leak (I was
asked this question twice yesterday!)
As Joe points out if you read the engine maint manual carefully it says that
yellow sealant and a paper gasket are to be used UNLESS "the cly face of the
intermediate casing which is not treated with shot cleaning is allowed not
to fit paper gasket" I am interpreting this to mean that if the area that
mates to the cylinder flange has not been shot peaned you must/should use a
gasket and the mystical yellow sealant.
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Steve Dalton
Subject: Yak-List: CYLINDER GASKETS
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Steve Dalton" <sdalton@goeaston.net>
FWIW, the cylinders on my M-14 (manufactured by Aeromotors in Romania)
are installed by the factory with no paper gaskets. Just a dry, very
thin O-ring slid down onto a VERY clean cylinder barrel.nothing else.
Has not leaked, or had studs come loose in first 350+ hours. (Hope it
stays that way!)
Cheers,
Steve Dalton
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net>
I was under the impression that it took more energy to grow the corn than
we're getting out of the corn.
Jon
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
>
> I think things will change rapidly in the near future. The price of
> oil isnt going to go down, and I like the idea of not sending my money
> to the middle east.
>
> Dont we grow corn down here?
>
> Ernie
>
> On 6/8/05, Cpayne <cpayne@joimail.com> wrote:
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: Cpayne <cpayne@joimail.com>
>>
>> It is a given that alcohol-based fuels do not have the specific heat
>> content of higher-octane gasolines that we use in modern piston engines.
>> This means a higher consumption at a given power setting using alcohol
>> blends. That being said, the Germans in WW-II were forced to develop new
>> fuels after the allies knocked out the Polesti oilfields. Their solution
>> was synthetic alcohols. These alcohols reduced range but vastly improved
>> high altitude performance due to increased oxygen content. Exactly what
>> Allied Bomber Command did NOT need.
>>
>> Fortunately for the Allies, the tide in the war had already turned.
>>
>> BTW, my Ford Ranger from the Mid-west has a multi-fuel engine capable of
>> burning up to 85% ethanol blended gasoline. Even there it didn't sell
>> too well so I got it real cheap for brand new. Fat chance finding
>> Ethanol in anything but a bottle here in FLA!
>>
>> Craig Payne
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | CYLINDER GASKETS |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net>
I feel dumb asking this, but I'd rather feel dumb than spend a bunch of
time fixing a problem I could have avoided by just asking. :-)
Are you supposed to re-torque the nuts after getting the engine warm/hot?
And THEN fold up the keepers? Or just torque it cold and fold 'em up?
Doug, are you stocked up on gaskets, o-rings, keepers? What about the
mythical "yellow" sealant?
Jon
PS. I didn't use sealant on mine the last time... perhaps this is why I
had to do two of them over??
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
>
> I seriously doubt if the inclusion or the exclusion of the paper gasket is
> directly causing any of the maladies in these engines, the culprit is the
> stud. I mention this because I received several calls yesterday from
> drivers who were worried that they had hade a mistake when they changed
> cly
> studs and used paper gaskets. My take on the problem is that if the paper
> gasket was not in there you simply would have seen the leak a bit earlier.
> Gasket or no gasket, if the stud is loose your going to leak oil. And no,
> there is nothing that you can goop on the outside to stop the leak (I was
> asked this question twice yesterday!)
>
> As Joe points out if you read the engine maint manual carefully it says
> that
> yellow sealant and a paper gasket are to be used UNLESS "the cly face of
> the
> intermediate casing which is not treated with shot cleaning is allowed not
> to fit paper gasket" I am interpreting this to mean that if the area that
> mates to the cylinder flange has not been shot peaned you must/should use
> a
> gasket and the mystical yellow sealant.
>
> Always Yakin,
> Doug Sapp
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Steve Dalton
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: CYLINDER GASKETS
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Steve Dalton" <sdalton@goeaston.net>
>
> FWIW, the cylinders on my M-14 (manufactured by Aeromotors in Romania)
> are installed by the factory with no paper gaskets. Just a dry, very
> thin O-ring slid down onto a VERY clean cylinder barrel.nothing else.
> Has not leaked, or had studs come loose in first 350+ hours. (Hope it
> stays that way!)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Steve Dalton
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
There is an energy requirement to produce the corn itself in terms of
petroleum based fertilizers, pesticides and the fuel required for the
farming equipment itself. But the same holds true for gasoline. One
must use energy to dill for it, pump it, ship it, refine it and
finally distribute it.
I dont know how much energy is required to create x number of BTU's
per volume, corn vs petroleum.
Ernie
On 6/9/05, Jon Boede <jon@email.net> wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net>
>
> I was under the impression that it took more energy to grow the corn than
> we're getting out of the corn.
>
> Jon
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
> >
> > I think things will change rapidly in the near future. The price of
> > oil isnt going to go down, and I like the idea of not sending my money
> > to the middle east.
> >
> > Dont we grow corn down here?
> >
> > Ernie
> >
> > On 6/8/05, Cpayne <cpayne@joimail.com> wrote:
> >> --> Yak-List message posted by: Cpayne <cpayne@joimail.com>
> >>
> >> It is a given that alcohol-based fuels do not have the specific heat
> >> content of higher-octane gasolines that we use in modern piston engines.
> >> This means a higher consumption at a given power setting using alcohol
> >> blends. That being said, the Germans in WW-II were forced to develop new
> >> fuels after the allies knocked out the Polesti oilfields. Their solution
> >> was synthetic alcohols. These alcohols reduced range but vastly improved
> >> high altitude performance due to increased oxygen content. Exactly what
> >> Allied Bomber Command did NOT need.
> >>
> >> Fortunately for the Allies, the tide in the war had already turned.
> >>
> >> BTW, my Ford Ranger from the Mid-west has a multi-fuel engine capable of
> >> burning up to 85% ethanol blended gasoline. Even there it didn't sell
> >> too well so I got it real cheap for brand new. Fat chance finding
> >> Ethanol in anything but a bottle here in FLA!
> >>
> >> Craig Payne
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: CYLINDER GASKETS |
--> Yak-List message posted by: N13472@aol.com
In a message dated 6/9/2005 9:15:20 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
rvfltd@televar.com writes:
As Joe points out if you read the engine maint manual carefully it says that
yellow sealant and a paper gasket are to be used UNLESS "the cly face of the
intermediate casing which is not treated with shot cleaning is allowed not
to fit paper gasket" I am interpreting this to mean that if the area that
mates to the cylinder flange has not been shot peaned you must/should use a
gasket and the mystical yellow sealant.
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
Doug, I think it means you are to use a paper gasket if it has been Shot
Peen ed, to make
up for the rough / distorted surface to insure a better seal?
Tom Elliott
CJ-6 NX63727
Sandy Valley NV
3L2
702-723-1223
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| Subject: | Re: CYLINDER GASKETS |
--> Yak-List message posted by: JOE <joeh@shaw.ca>
Doug
I suspect that the paper gasket which is very, hard is not meant to be a
seal but has some other purpose which is not clear.
It is my interpretation that you use the gasket only if the case surface is
shot peened, and the yellow sealant is for the "o" ring.
Joe
----- Original Message -----
From: <N13472@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: CYLINDER GASKETS
> --> Yak-List message posted by: N13472@aol.com
>
>
> In a message dated 6/9/2005 9:15:20 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> rvfltd@televar.com writes:
>
> As Joe points out if you read the engine maint manual carefully it says
> that
> yellow sealant and a paper gasket are to be used UNLESS "the cly face of
> the
> intermediate casing which is not treated with shot cleaning is allowed
> not
> to fit paper gasket" I am interpreting this to mean that if the area
> that
> mates to the cylinder flange has not been shot peaned you must/should use
> a
> gasket and the mystical yellow sealant.
>
> Always Yakin,
> Doug Sapp
>
>
> Doug, I think it means you are to use a paper gasket if it has been Shot
> Peen ed, to make
> up for the rough / distorted surface to insure a better seal?
>
> Tom Elliott
> CJ-6 NX63727
> Sandy Valley NV
> 3L2
> 702-723-1223
>
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
I suspect that you are as usual, correct. All my careful reading still did
not net me the correct info on when to or when not to use the gasket. I
stand corrected by both you and Tom. Thanks to you both. I am still having
problems getting in the mood to never use a paper gasket. What, in your
opinion could the yellow sealant do for the o ring? Maybe ooze out under
pressure and make a seal onto the paper?? Just guessing.
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of JOE
Subject: Re: Yak-List: CYLINDER GASKETS
--> Yak-List message posted by: JOE <joeh@shaw.ca>
Doug
I suspect that the paper gasket which is very, hard is not meant to be a
seal but has some other purpose which is not clear.
It is my interpretation that you use the gasket only if the case surface is
shot peened, and the yellow sealant is for the "o" ring.
Joe
----- Original Message -----
From: <N13472@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: CYLINDER GASKETS
> --> Yak-List message posted by: N13472@aol.com
>
>
> In a message dated 6/9/2005 9:15:20 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> rvfltd@televar.com writes:
>
> As Joe points out if you read the engine maint manual carefully it says
> that
> yellow sealant and a paper gasket are to be used UNLESS "the cly face of
> the
> intermediate casing which is not treated with shot cleaning is allowed
> not
> to fit paper gasket" I am interpreting this to mean that if the area
> that
> mates to the cylinder flange has not been shot peaned you must/should use
> a
> gasket and the mystical yellow sealant.
>
> Always Yakin,
> Doug Sapp
>
>
> Doug, I think it means you are to use a paper gasket if it has been Shot
> Peen ed, to make
> up for the rough / distorted surface to insure a better seal?
>
> Tom Elliott
> CJ-6 NX63727
> Sandy Valley NV
> 3L2
> 702-723-1223
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Ivey" <jim@jimivey.com>
I noticed some 3-blade props for sale on Barnstormers for M14P. The seller
uses them on M14P CJ-6's. His name is Colin Monteith in Sidney, BC Canada.
Anybody know anything else about these props?
Jim Ivey
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| Subject: | Re: MTW&OSH Changes |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Walt Fricke <walterfricke@yahoo.com>
--> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez
I'm sure it will be very impressing to see 50 RPA aircraft and the 7
other warbirds arrive simultaneoulsy :)
Ernie,
I think we had 12-14 T-28's arrive at S&F this year. had 26 at Sebring, plus even
more T6's. The American warbirds aren't all dead yet...
The yaks sound cooler longer though. (because it takes them soooo long to fly by).
:-)
Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com> wrote:
--> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez
I'm sure it will be very impressing to see 50 RPA aircraft and the 7
other warbirds arrive simultaneoulsy :)
Ernie
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Walt Fricke <walterfricke@yahoo.com>
I've been flying (lead and wing) with Paul Ehlens in his "new" P-51 "Little Horse"
for a couple of weeks in a row now. He's a good stick. Weekend before last,
he brought along Ken Dahlberg (triple ace WWII) who's P-51 "Little Horse" was
the inspiration for Paul's new paint job.
Ken was in the back seat (dual controls). He's 87 (or possibly 88, according to
a recent article which quotes him lambasting deep throat...says :"that guy's
no hero"....Ken was investigated and found free of any wrong doing in the watergate
scandal over some party funding mechanism and his refusal to cooperate
with some partisan investigation....anyway a real class gentleman). So Ken climbs
in to the back seat of the P-51 and I joined up with them on the way out
of FCM (just prior to 180*) en route to the Wings of Freedom airshow at Red Wing.
Ken was at the controls and watched a rejoin for the first time in many many years
from the controls of a P-51. As I pulled into position (again...just prior
to 120*) he looks over with a big grin and gives me a firm "thumbs up" on the
quick join up (seems like it was right around 90*)
When we landed at Red Wing, He sprung out of the back seat and actually looked
a good 10 to 15 years younger. Animated, grinning and bragging about his wingman
who made the join up by 45* !
Anyway, to reinforce Lee's note. This IS what warbird flying is all about. There
is nothing more rewarding today than to catch these guys for "one final flight".
My dad (80) joined us at Red Wing and watched the Tora Tora Tora show
and had tears rolling down his cheeks while they played the FDR speech. He did
the Normandy invasion as a crew chief on a C-47 and was shot down in the Holland
invasion. Crash landed in a cabbage patch, which is now a monument to
the "Market Garden" invasion of Holland.
It was a great weekend to be flying a T-28. I got to fly in the Viet Nam Gaggle....a
C-47 (Puff), AD-5 Skyraider, Grumman Mowhawk and me. Dad got to watch
as he and both his son's were honored for their service.
A wonderful Memorial Day Rememberence.
Walt Fricke
Lee Griffin <griffinherbert@hotmail.com> wrote:
Just a quick note:
Was strapping an elderly gentleman into the back seat of my T-28 saturday.
He remarked that the last time he had on a parachute, he was in the process
of exiting the bomb bay of a B-24!!
The gentleman had completed 15 missions in the ETO, 8th AF. He was shot
down over Germany and had the 'privilege' of spending ten months as a POW.
Pete Haggland flew the sortie, and I operated as the crew chief (plane
captain for the Navy guys).
Upon landing the elderly fellow had a smile a mile wide! Pete had let him
fly part of the sortie. The gleam and sparkle in his eyes was well worth
all of the expense and bother of keeping an operational T-28. If you
haven't done this, I heartily recommend it. This generation is fast
disappearing.....
Contact your local veterans organization and offer. You'll really like the
results....
H. Lee Griffin
T-28B N887N, Bu No 138202
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Yes, but while that 'Stang in gulping down the $'s @ $3.00/gal, we are
sipping our way to shear aviating pleasure.;)
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: Walt Fricke <walterfricke@yahoo.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 6/9/2005 9:59:12 PM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: MTW&OSH Changes
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Walt Fricke <walterfricke@yahoo.com>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez
>
> I'm sure it will be very impressing to see 50 RPA aircraft and the 7
> other warbirds arrive simultaneoulsy :)
>
>
> Ernie,
>
> I think we had 12-14 T-28's arrive at S&F this year. had 26 at Sebring,
plus even more T6's. The American warbirds aren't all dead yet...
>
> The yaks sound cooler longer though. (because it takes them soooo long to
fly by). :-)
>
> Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com> wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez
>
> I'm sure it will be very impressing to see 50 RPA aircraft and the 7
> other warbirds arrive simultaneoulsy :)
>
> Ernie
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Schrick" <schrick@pacbell.net>
Not M-14P engines. For the Chinese Engines. Spline shaft.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Ivey
Subject: Yak-List: 3-blade props
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Ivey" <jim@jimivey.com>
I noticed some 3-blade props for sale on Barnstormers for M14P. The seller
uses them on M14P CJ-6's. His name is Colin Monteith in Sidney, BC Canada.
Anybody know anything else about these props?
Jim Ivey
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