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1. 04:20 AM - Re: North East Raiders (Rob Mortara)
2. 05:52 AM - Re: 3-blade props (JOE)
3. 06:08 AM - Re: trim (Brian Lloyd)
4. 06:19 AM - Re: 3-blade props (Don Glittenberg)
5. 06:26 AM - Re: trim (Roger Doc Kemp)
6. 07:36 AM - Re: Final flight (Barry Hancock)
7. 08:14 AM - Re: North East Raiders (Bill Mack)
8. 08:45 AM - Re: 3-blade props (Cliff Umscheid)
9. 09:37 AM - Chinese 3 blade props (JOE)
10. 12:00 PM - Curtis Pitts (scott.huff@aivia.aero)
11. 12:13 PM - Interesting diversion (Barry Hancock)
12. 12:18 PM - Re: MTW&OSH Changes (Ernest Martinez)
13. 12:19 PM - 3 Blade VS two Blade Paddle prop strenght (Frank Haertlein)
14. 12:49 PM - Re: 3 Blade VS two Blade Paddle prop strenght (Roger Kemp)
15. 02:41 PM - Dzus replacements and paint (Cpayne)
16. 03:03 PM - Re: Dzus replacements and paint (Doug Sapp)
17. 04:15 PM - Re: Dzus replacements and paint (Ernest Martinez)
18. 04:17 PM - Re: Dzus replacements and paint (Ernest Martinez)
19. 04:25 PM - Re: Dzus replacements and paint (Ernest Martinez)
20. 06:22 PM - Re: North East Raiders (Rob Mortara)
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| Subject: | E: Yak-List:North East Raiders |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Rob Mortara" <rob@robinhill.com>
What is Bill's email
rob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James J Ehrig Jr.
Subject: RE: Yak-List:North East Raiders
--> Yak-List message posted by: "James J Ehrig Jr." <jjejr@adelphia.net>
Hi Rob:
Include us in the North East Raiders, We have 2 Yaks in Niagara Falls
Air Base, Bill Mack has a 52, Jim Ehrig has a 52 W .
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| Subject: | Re: 3-blade props |
--> Yak-List message posted by: JOE <joeh@shaw.ca>
Actually we have both props, JL2A for the spline shaft and JL2B for the M!4,
JL2B in stock now.
Joe
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Schrick" <schrick@pacbell.net>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: 3-blade props
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Schrick" <schrick@pacbell.net>
>
> Not M-14P engines. For the Chinese Engines. Spline shaft.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Ivey
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: 3-blade props
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Ivey" <jim@jimivey.com>
>
> I noticed some 3-blade props for sale on Barnstormers for M14P. The
> seller
> uses them on M14P CJ-6's. His name is Colin Monteith in Sidney, BC
> Canada.
> Anybody know anything else about these props?
>
> Jim Ivey
>
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Mark Jefferies wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Jefferies" <mark.j@yakuk.com>
>
> 1. Has a flutter calculation and test been done.
>
> 2. Is additional weight added in the leading edge
>
> 3. Why not mount the motor in the fuse and drive the existing worm drive, no
> control balance doubt by doing that.
These are the kind of things that I was thinking too.
And one other thing, try as I might, I have never been able to find even a
single instance of trim runaway with mechanical trim.
Before anyone decides to install electric pitch trim, go out and fly your
airplane in landing configuration with the trim set at full nose up and full
nose down. If after that you still feel fully capable of landing the airplane
safely that way then you have nothing to fear.
Me? I am leaving the mechanical pitch trim in. I might add a pitch trim servo
with a clutch but the mechanical system will stay in and will be able to
override anything the electric servo does.
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
brian-yak@lloyd.com Suite 201
http://www.lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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| Subject: | Re: 3-blade props |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Don Glittenberg" <auxtank@boldwireless.net>
How much and what condition? New?
Auxtank
----- Original Message -----
From: "JOE" <joeh@shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: 3-blade props
> --> Yak-List message posted by: JOE <joeh@shaw.ca>
>
> Actually we have both props, JL2A for the spline shaft and JL2B for the
> M!4,
> JL2B in stock now.
>
> Joe
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark Schrick" <schrick@pacbell.net>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: 3-blade props
>
>
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Schrick" <schrick@pacbell.net>
>>
>> Not M-14P engines. For the Chinese Engines. Spline shaft.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Ivey
>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Yak-List: 3-blade props
>>
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Ivey" <jim@jimivey.com>
>>
>> I noticed some 3-blade props for sale on Barnstormers for M14P. The
>> seller
>> uses them on M14P CJ-6's. His name is Colin Monteith in Sidney, BC
>> Canada.
>> Anybody know anything else about these props?
>>
>> Jim Ivey
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Aye,Aye...Them Russians were not as dumb as we cold warriors thought. They
learned the KISS principle well and made their airplanes tough using it.
Not so sure we could have defended the Folga Gap as well as we thought
agianst what I'm seeing now. I'm for leaving it they way made it. They had
thousands of under paid engineers and pilots to solve all these problems.
Our problem as Westerners is we keep trying to make the mouse trap better
starting with a new mouse trap design everytime. The Russians used the old
mouse trap and continually refined it.
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 6/10/2005 8:07:46 AM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: trim
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
>
> Mark Jefferies wrote:
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Jefferies" <mark.j@yakuk.com>
> >
> > 1. Has a flutter calculation and test been done.
> >
> > 2. Is additional weight added in the leading edge
> >
> > 3. Why not mount the motor in the fuse and drive the existing worm
drive, no
> > control balance doubt by doing that.
>
> These are the kind of things that I was thinking too.
>
> And one other thing, try as I might, I have never been able to find even
a
> single instance of trim runaway with mechanical trim.
>
> Before anyone decides to install electric pitch trim, go out and fly your
> airplane in landing configuration with the trim set at full nose up and
full
> nose down. If after that you still feel fully capable of landing the
airplane
> safely that way then you have nothing to fear.
>
> Me? I am leaving the mechanical pitch trim in. I might add a pitch trim
servo
> with a clutch but the mechanical system will stay in and will be able to
> override anything the electric servo does.
>
> --
> Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
> brian-yak@lloyd.com Suite 201
> http://www.lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
> +1.340.998.9447 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
>
> I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
> - Antoine de Saint-Exupery
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Final flight |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <barry@flyredstar.org>
On Jun 9, 2005, at 11:59 PM, Yak-List Digest Server wrote:
>
> Anyway, to reinforce Lee's note. This IS what warbird flying is all
> about. There
> is nothing more rewarding today than to catch these guys for "one
> final flight".
Great piece Walt...though it seems like you're getting a little rusty.
Last time we flew together you were on my wing in 30* of turn.....
After Walt's great story, I just have to add a quick one. Whilst at
ARS I was doing my usual running around when one of the attendees
(Darrell Gary, one of the original Top Gun instructors) comes over to
me and says "hey, there's a gentlemen here who wants to meet you. He
likes your paint job." "Oh yeah," I replied. "Yeah, the guy over here
selling AVG stuff." So I walked over to this gentlemen's table where
he had copies of a book he had written and some AVG memorabilia. Gary
introduced us and as he rose out of his chair to greet me his face came
to life. "Is that your plane over there?" pointing to my Flying Tigers
painted CJ? "Yes, it is!" I said proudly. He just smiled. I could
see what was going on inside him, and it floored me. "Sir" I said with
tears welling up in my eyes and a lump in my throat, "that paint
scheme....is for you." The grip he had on my hand became stronger and
he said "really?!" At this point his wife got out of her chair with a
smile on her face. "I am so grateful for you and all the other heros
who sacrificed so much for us. It's because of you guys that I can fly
that plane today." "Well," he said "that's just wonderful, thank you."
In my 4 years of ARS, nothing can touch that moment. Yes, Walt, you're
right. The flying is fun, but the uniquely wonderful experiences that
being around these airplanes bring are truly priceless.
Barry
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| Subject: | Re: e: Yak-List:North East Raiders |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Bill Mack" <wmack@adelphia.net>
Rob,
My E mail is wmack@adelphia.net
Regards,
Bill Mack
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob Mortara" <rob@robinhill.com>
Subject: RE: Yak-List:North East Raiders
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Rob Mortara" <rob@robinhill.com>
>
> What is Bill's email
>
> rob
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James J Ehrig
Jr.
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Yak-List:North East Raiders
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "James J Ehrig Jr." <jjejr@adelphia.net>
>
> Hi Rob:
> Include us in the North East Raiders, We have 2 Yaks in Niagara
Falls
> Air Base, Bill Mack has a 52, Jim Ehrig has a 52 W .
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 3-blade props |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Cliff Umscheid <netmaster15@juno.com>
I spoke with Colin Monteith about 14 months ago about a 3 bladed prop for
my YAK 50. It turned out he was selling Chinese Props. After considering
the potential for disaster when a portion of a blade is lost and the
stresses created by the subsequent vibration, I decided to go with the
German prop with its tried and proven record, plus the available dealer
network. Granted, failures can ocurr in any manufactured product but I'd
rather rely upon a German prop than a Chinese copy , even if the former
costs a bit more. Prop failures have been known to cause failure of the
engine mount and departure of the engine from the aircraft with total
loss of the latter. Do YOU sometimes fly without a parachute? I used
to, until I started to think about prop or other structural failures.
ASSET preservation!
Cliff Umscheid,
YAK 50
On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 05:48:40 -0700 JOE <joeh@shaw.ca> writes:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: JOE <joeh@shaw.ca>
>
> Actually we have both props, JL2A for the spline shaft and JL2B for
> the M!4,
> JL2B in stock now.
>
> Joe
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark Schrick" <schrick@pacbell.net>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: 3-blade props
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Schrick"
> <schrick@pacbell.net>
> >
> > Not M-14P engines. For the Chinese Engines. Spline shaft.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
> Ivey
> > To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Yak-List: 3-blade props
> >
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Ivey" <jim@jimivey.com>
> >
> > I noticed some 3-blade props for sale on Barnstormers for M14P.
> The
> > seller
> > uses them on M14P CJ-6's. His name is Colin Monteith in Sidney,
> BC
> > Canada.
> > Anybody know anything else about these props?
> >
> > Jim Ivey
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Chinese 3 blade props |
--> Yak-List message posted by: JOE <joeh@shaw.ca>
The props are new manufacture with metal blade similar to the 2 blade CJ6 props.
They were originally designed for the 400 HP H6K engine which had the spline shaft.
We worked with the the factory to build the hub to mate to the M14.
Contact Colin Monteith of Victoria Air Maint.for more info.
colinmonteith@vicair.net
Joe
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--> Yak-List message posted by: scott.huff@aivia.aero
FYI ... we lost an icon today. Truly sad ... he will be missed.
----- Forwarded message from KJKimball@aol.com -----
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 14:43:41 EDT
From: KJKimball@aol.com
Subject: [Pitts12(1228)] Curtis Pitts
To: pitts12@gf24.de
The aviation community has lost a legend and great friend. Curtis Pitts has
passed away. He had been in the hospital for surgery to replace a heart
valve, caught pneumonia during his recovery process and passed away early this
afternoon. He had suffered a stroke this past spring but had recovered to
the point where he decided to undergo the heart valve surgery.
We will pass along more details as they become available. We extend our
sincere condolences to the Pitts family and to Curtis many friends.
Jim and Kevin Kimball
----- End forwarded message -----
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| Subject: | Interesting diversion |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <barry@flyredstar.org>
It's not directly Yak or CJ related, but I just came across this....
Sucks to be the enemy these days. No blood or gore here. Check out
the video link for a great story (the rest of the video is fluff).
http://www.systems.textron.com/index.html?topframe/top.html&leftframe/
productsmenu.html&mainframe/products/precisionstrike/sfw.html
B
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| Subject: | Re: MTW&OSH Changes |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
Yeah, I was being a little sarcastic, but the warbird flyin at Leeward
was pretty pathetic this year, primarily dominated by CJ's and Yaks.
Ernie
On 6/9/05, Walt Fricke <walterfricke@yahoo.com> wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Walt Fricke <walterfricke@yahoo.com>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez
>
> I'm sure it will be very impressing to see 50 RPA aircraft and the 7
> other warbirds arrive simultaneoulsy :)
>
>
> Ernie,
>
> I think we had 12-14 T-28's arrive at S&F this year. had 26 at Sebring, plus
even more T6's. The American warbirds aren't all dead yet...
>
> The yaks sound cooler longer though. (because it takes them soooo long to fly
by). :-)
>
> Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com> wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez
>
> I'm sure it will be very impressing to see 50 RPA aircraft and the 7
> other warbirds arrive simultaneoulsy :)
>
> Ernie
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | 3 Blade VS two Blade Paddle prop strenght |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Cliff;
I used to have lingering doubts in my mind about the strength of the
original Russian paddle blade prop. It would bother me when
once-in-a-while the thought would cross my mind that there is this huge
composite/laminate wooden prop swinging around out there and wondering
what would happen if a blade departed........that is until I witnessed
the aftermath of following story.
I guess the statute has run out so I'll relate the story. I won't give
out names because the person reads this list. Out of deference to
his/her sensibilities the name shall forever remain anonymous.
While doing an aerobatic routine the pilot experiences a rough running
engine. As a precaution, a setup for landing is made on a country road.
The engine clears and starts running fine. Power is added and a shallow
climb initiated. With little warning the airplane slows slightly
followed by the unmistakable sound of "SNAP"!
At that point the pilot suspects a power line hit but could see nothing
wrong. The engine was running fine and the controls worked perfectly.
He/she flew the short trip home (about 10 miles).
After landing, an inspection was made of the aircraft (YAK-52). All the
control surfaces were in perfect shape, there were no dents in any of
the leading edges and the landing gear looked perfect.
The pilot at first said "did I really hit a power line like I thought"?
It wasn't until the front of the aircraft was inspected that the damage
was discovered. That big ugly Russian paddle blade prop had chewed up
and spit out three 1/2" inch dia. high power electrical lines. You know,
the kind with about a two foot insulator between the pole and the lines?
The leading edge of each blade had gouges the same size as the
electrical lines. The front face of one blade was missing a five inch
section (as though someone had taken a filet knife and cut a 1/2 inch
deep, five inch long and three inch wide section out of the blade. In an
area midpoint between the root and tip of both blades, each blade was
cracked/broken from the trailing edge in a manner such that the cracks
angled slightly towards the tips while stopping about half ways across
the blade.
You want to talk about a tough blade? After seeing this the strength of
the Russian paddle blade prop never crosses my mind anymore.....that is
unless someone asks about how strong they are.
The airplane had been washed a few days before the incident. As is usual
practice, the right fuel cap had been left unlocked but still remained
in place during the washing. It is suspected that water had gotten into
the fuel system causing the engine to run rough. An inspection revealed
trace amounts of water in the fuel filter.
As a side note, about six years before this incident, a Piper Warrior
hit the same lines in almost the same place. The outcome wasn't as good
though. The Warrior crashed breaking both legs and one arm of the pilot.
Frank
N9110M
YAK-52
L71
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cliff Umscheid
Subject: Re: Yak-List: 3-blade props
--> Yak-List message posted by: Cliff Umscheid <netmaster15@juno.com>
I spoke with Colin Monteith about 14 months ago about a 3 bladed prop
for my YAK 50. It turned out he was selling Chinese Props. After
considering the potential for disaster when a portion of a blade is lost
and the stresses created by the subsequent vibration, I decided to go
with the German prop with its tried and proven record, plus the
available dealer network. Granted, failures can ocurr in any
manufactured product but I'd rather rely upon a German prop than a
Chinese copy , even if the former costs a bit more. Prop failures have
been known to cause failure of the engine mount and departure of the
engine from the aircraft with total
loss of the latter. Do YOU sometimes fly without a parachute? I used
to, until I started to think about prop or other structural failures.
ASSET preservation!
Cliff Umscheid,
YAK 50
On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 05:48:40 -0700 JOE <joeh@shaw.ca> writes:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: JOE <joeh@shaw.ca>
>
> Actually we have both props, JL2A for the spline shaft and JL2B for
> the M!4,
> JL2B in stock now.
>
> Joe
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark Schrick" <schrick@pacbell.net>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: 3-blade props
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Schrick"
> <schrick@pacbell.net>
> >
> > Not M-14P engines. For the Chinese Engines. Spline shaft.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
> Ivey
> > To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Yak-List: 3-blade props
> >
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Ivey" <jim@jimivey.com>
> >
> > I noticed some 3-blade props for sale on Barnstormers for M14P.
> The
> > seller
> > uses them on M14P CJ-6's. His name is Colin Monteith in Sidney,
> BC
> > Canada.
> > Anybody know anything else about these props?
> >
> > Jim Ivey
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | 3 Blade VS two Blade Paddle prop strenght |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Moral of the story, one tough ass blade and don't land on highways as a
precautionary landing. Prop and wing grabbers live there.
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: Frank Haertlein <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 6/10/2005 2:19:13 PM
> Subject: Yak-List: 3 Blade VS two Blade Paddle prop strenght
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
<yak52driver@earthlink.net>
>
> Cliff;
> I used to have lingering doubts in my mind about the strength of the
> original Russian paddle blade prop. It would bother me when
> once-in-a-while the thought would cross my mind that there is this huge
> composite/laminate wooden prop swinging around out there and wondering
> what would happen if a blade departed........that is until I witnessed
> the aftermath of following story.
>
> I guess the statute has run out so I'll relate the story. I won't give
> out names because the person reads this list. Out of deference to
> his/her sensibilities the name shall forever remain anonymous.
>
> While doing an aerobatic routine the pilot experiences a rough running
> engine. As a precaution, a setup for landing is made on a country road.
> The engine clears and starts running fine. Power is added and a shallow
> climb initiated. With little warning the airplane slows slightly
> followed by the unmistakable sound of "SNAP"!
>
> At that point the pilot suspects a power line hit but could see nothing
> wrong. The engine was running fine and the controls worked perfectly.
> He/she flew the short trip home (about 10 miles).
>
> After landing, an inspection was made of the aircraft (YAK-52). All the
> control surfaces were in perfect shape, there were no dents in any of
> the leading edges and the landing gear looked perfect.
>
> The pilot at first said "did I really hit a power line like I thought"?
> It wasn't until the front of the aircraft was inspected that the damage
> was discovered. That big ugly Russian paddle blade prop had chewed up
> and spit out three 1/2" inch dia. high power electrical lines. You know,
> the kind with about a two foot insulator between the pole and the lines?
>
> The leading edge of each blade had gouges the same size as the
> electrical lines. The front face of one blade was missing a five inch
> section (as though someone had taken a filet knife and cut a 1/2 inch
> deep, five inch long and three inch wide section out of the blade. In an
> area midpoint between the root and tip of both blades, each blade was
> cracked/broken from the trailing edge in a manner such that the cracks
> angled slightly towards the tips while stopping about half ways across
> the blade.
>
> You want to talk about a tough blade? After seeing this the strength of
> the Russian paddle blade prop never crosses my mind anymore.....that is
> unless someone asks about how strong they are.
>
> The airplane had been washed a few days before the incident. As is usual
> practice, the right fuel cap had been left unlocked but still remained
> in place during the washing. It is suspected that water had gotten into
> the fuel system causing the engine to run rough. An inspection revealed
> trace amounts of water in the fuel filter.
>
> As a side note, about six years before this incident, a Piper Warrior
> hit the same lines in almost the same place. The outcome wasn't as good
> though. The Warrior crashed breaking both legs and one arm of the pilot.
>
> Frank
> N9110M
> YAK-52
> L71
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cliff Umscheid
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: 3-blade props
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Cliff Umscheid <netmaster15@juno.com>
>
> I spoke with Colin Monteith about 14 months ago about a 3 bladed prop
> for my YAK 50. It turned out he was selling Chinese Props. After
> considering the potential for disaster when a portion of a blade is lost
> and the stresses created by the subsequent vibration, I decided to go
> with the German prop with its tried and proven record, plus the
> available dealer network. Granted, failures can ocurr in any
> manufactured product but I'd rather rely upon a German prop than a
> Chinese copy , even if the former costs a bit more. Prop failures have
> been known to cause failure of the engine mount and departure of the
> engine from the aircraft with total
> loss of the latter. Do YOU sometimes fly without a parachute? I used
> to, until I started to think about prop or other structural failures.
> ASSET preservation!
>
>
> Cliff Umscheid,
> YAK 50
> On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 05:48:40 -0700 JOE <joeh@shaw.ca> writes:
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: JOE <joeh@shaw.ca>
> >
> > Actually we have both props, JL2A for the spline shaft and JL2B for
> > the M!4,
> > JL2B in stock now.
> >
> > Joe
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Mark Schrick" <schrick@pacbell.net>
> > To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: RE: Yak-List: 3-blade props
> >
> >
> > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Schrick"
> > <schrick@pacbell.net>
> > >
> > > Not M-14P engines. For the Chinese Engines. Spline shaft.
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
> > Ivey
> > > To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > > Subject: Yak-List: 3-blade props
> > >
> > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Ivey" <jim@jimivey.com>
> > >
> > > I noticed some 3-blade props for sale on Barnstormers for M14P.
> > The
> > > seller
> > > uses them on M14P CJ-6's. His name is Colin Monteith in Sidney,
> > BC
> > > Canada.
> > > Anybody know anything else about these props?
> > >
> > > Jim Ivey
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Dzus replacements and paint |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Cpayne <cpayne@joimail.com>
Has anyone replaced the twistlock fasteners on 'changs with Dzus fasteners? They
look so much alike but I'm not sure about sizes. I'd appreciate any help on
how to do this. Hoping to use stainless as I'm still preping for a paint job and
now is a good time for such goodies.
Speaking of paint, for those who had their Yaks or CJ's repainted by a professional
shop...what did they do to prep? Acid etch and alodyne over the anodized
finish, self-etching primer? What?
Craig Payne
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| Subject: | Dzus replacements and paint |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Craig,
The Dzus fasteners are the same, meaning that the US fasteners will work
just fine....but you will note that the slots install "90 degrees out"
compared to the stock Nanchang fasteners. Stand by for several bucks each
for the stainless fasteners (depending on size).
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Cpayne
Subject: Yak-List: Dzus replacements and paint
--> Yak-List message posted by: Cpayne <cpayne@joimail.com>
Has anyone replaced the twistlock fasteners on 'changs with Dzus fasteners?
They look so much alike but I'm not sure about sizes. I'd appreciate any
help on how to do this. Hoping to use stainless as I'm still preping for a
paint job and now is a good time for such goodies.
Speaking of paint, for those who had their Yaks or CJ's repainted by a
professional shop...what did they do to prep? Acid etch and alodyne over the
anodized finish, self-etching primer? What?
Craig Payne
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| Subject: | Re: Dzus replacements and paint |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
I used Variprime self etching primer. It does the same thing as acid
etching, which is to dull the surface to create a better so paint can
adhere. The acid etch also will remove the alclad off of NEW aluminum.
Alodine is to prevent corosion. You arent going to get any corosion on
your beautiful anodized aluminum, unless you've been a little too
aggressive with your stripping and have removed the anodizing. In my
case there were small patches where the anodizing was gone, but I
didnt worry about it since the primer will protect it.
Also, if you plan on using Variprime, you CANT use alodine, it will
adversly react with the conversion coating in the primer.
I acid washed my airplane in order to get every last bit of paint
remover and finger prints off of the airplane immediately before
shooting the primer. But that was kinda overkill, A good soapy washing
would have been sufficient.
Just remember to sand the primer before shooting the top coat. I start
with red scotch brite pads , then wet sand with 400 grit.
Bottom line is that acid etch/alodine is the old fashioned way to do
things, its not wrong, its just that you dont need to jump through all
those hoops with todays technology.
Ernie
On 6/10/05, Cpayne <cpayne@joimail.com> wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Cpayne <cpayne@joimail.com>
>
> Has anyone replaced the twistlock fasteners on 'changs with Dzus fasteners? They
look so much alike but I'm not sure about sizes. I'd appreciate any help on
how to do this. Hoping to use stainless as I'm still preping for a paint job
and now is a good time for such goodies.
>
> Speaking of paint, for those who had their Yaks or CJ's repainted by a professional
shop...what did they do to prep? Acid etch and alodyne over the anodized
finish, self-etching primer? What?
>
> Craig Payne
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Dzus replacements and paint |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
Heres a helpful article.
http://www.zenithair.com/kit-data/ra/paint1.html
On 6/10/05, Cpayne <cpayne@joimail.com> wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Cpayne <cpayne@joimail.com>
>
> Has anyone replaced the twistlock fasteners on 'changs with Dzus fasteners? They
look so much alike but I'm not sure about sizes. I'd appreciate any help on
how to do this. Hoping to use stainless as I'm still preping for a paint job
and now is a good time for such goodies.
>
> Speaking of paint, for those who had their Yaks or CJ's repainted by a professional
shop...what did they do to prep? Acid etch and alodyne over the anodized
finish, self-etching primer? What?
>
> Craig Payne
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Dzus replacements and paint |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
I just realized that the last link didnt have the entire article.
Use this one. http://exp-aircraft.com/library/alexande/painting.html
Ernie
On 6/10/05, Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com> wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
>
> Heres a helpful article.
>
> http://www.zenithair.com/kit-data/ra/paint1.html
>
> On 6/10/05, Cpayne <cpayne@joimail.com> wrote:
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: Cpayne <cpayne@joimail.com>
> >
> > Has anyone replaced the twistlock fasteners on 'changs with Dzus fasteners?
They look so much alike but I'm not sure about sizes. I'd appreciate any help
on how to do this. Hoping to use stainless as I'm still preping for a paint job
and now is a good time for such goodies.
> >
> > Speaking of paint, for those who had their Yaks or CJ's repainted by a professional
shop...what did they do to prep? Acid etch and alodyne over the anodized
finish, self-etching primer? What?
> >
> > Craig Payne
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | E: Yak-List:North East Raiders |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Rob Mortara" <rob@robinhill.com>
After starting the google group for pilots in the north east -
I have been asked to put together a list of who is in the northeast -type
plane- Home base airport (identifier and city)-email and contact #.
I will post this list privately
So send me the Info privately rob@robinhill.com
Please put in subject : northeast list
Thanks
Rob
Name
Airplane type
Home base
City home base
Email
Contact #
Do you want to be in the Northeast-Raiders-squadron@googlegroups.com
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