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1. 03:03 AM - Re: operation and limitations for Yak 52 (Ron Davis)
2. 03:33 AM - Re: operation and limitations for Yak 52 (A. Dennis Savarese)
3. 03:46 AM - Re: The Feds (Ron Davis)
4. 05:57 AM - Re: operation and limitations for Yak 52 (Jim Ivey)
5. 06:29 AM - Re: The Feds (Daniel Fortin)
6. 07:43 AM - Re: operation and limitations for Yak 52 (Ron Davis)
7. 07:44 AM - Re: operation and limitations for Yak 52 (Ron Davis)
8. 08:09 AM - Air Filling Connector (Mike Beresford)
9. 08:09 AM - Re: operation and limitations for Yak 52 (Ron Spencer)
10. 09:11 AM - Re: operation and limitations for Yak 52 (Luke Sollitt)
11. 09:41 AM - Re: operation and limitations for Yak 52 (Ernest Martinez)
12. 10:42 AM - Re: operation and limitations for Yak 52 (Jon Boede)
13. 11:03 AM - Re: The Feds (Jon Boede)
14. 11:49 AM - [ Jim Goolsby ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares)
15. 08:13 PM - Great Circle Route Fuel Stop Planner (Frank Haertlein)
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| Subject: | Re: operation and limitations for Yak 52 |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
Ops limits are generally imposed by the feds via an attachment to the
airworthiness certificate. If they want you to write them, I suggest you
not unduly limit yourself. Submit these:
Operational limits for Yak __, serial number _________
1) Aircraft is limited to subsonic speeds.
2) Aircraft shall be operated from the surface to 80,000' within the
atmosphere of planet earth.
3) Maintenance shall be performed by a human, or other trained mammal, at
least once per decade.
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| Subject: | Re: operation and limitations for Yak 52 |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
Individuals can not write their own OL's. The FAA inspector writes and
issues the OL's based on FAA Order 8130.2E. There are boilerplate
paragraphs which he/she will insert and there are paragraphs which he/she
can write into OL's to meet the local area requirements. However, you can
"discuss" particular paragraphs which you feel are overly restrictive and
outside the scope and intent of the Order.
As Ron says, they are attached to the Airworthiness Certificate, but not
physically attached. The OL's and Airworthiness Certificate are married
together and as I previously stated, if the aircraft is relocated or sold, a
new Airworthiness Certificate and Operating Limitations must be issued by
and FAA Inspector, even if it stays within the jurisdiction of the same
FSDO. moved to an
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: operation and limitations for Yak 52
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
>
> Ops limits are generally imposed by the feds via an attachment to the
> airworthiness certificate. If they want you to write them, I suggest you
> not unduly limit yourself. Submit these:
>
>
> Operational limits for Yak __, serial number _________
>
> 1) Aircraft is limited to subsonic speeds.
> 2) Aircraft shall be operated from the surface to 80,000' within the
> atmosphere of planet earth.
> 3) Maintenance shall be performed by a human, or other trained mammal, at
> least once per decade.
>
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
Think how worried the feds would be if Worldwide Warbirds had ten FLYING
L-39s on the ramp...
>Au contraire, mon fraire... The Feds were very interested in the
>Shared Squadrons the first time we put an ad out in In Flight USA.
>The Feds have been searching for a guy at our airport who is
>advertising flight training in the L-39 (not even ACM, etc.). Anything
>that gets advertised is going to raise the eyebrow of the Feds.
>
>In fact, we (Worldwide Warbirds) have been under satellite surveillance
>for several years....10+ L-39's on the same ramp at any one time seems
>to have their interest....
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| Subject: | Re: operation and limitations for Yak 52 |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Jim Ivey <jim@jimivey.com>
Yakkers and 'Changers:
I have a CJ-6A with M-14P for sale by owner (me). Anyone interested please
contact me off-list at jim@jimivey.com or cell phone (915) 820-4252. If you
reply directly to this message the whole Yak list will get it, so please use
the above email address to be considerate to folks not interested.
Thanks,
Jim Ivey
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Daniel Fortin" <fougapilot@hotmail.com>
Barry,
It is "Au contraire mon FRERE"!!! Get with it buddy ;-)
Dan
>From: Barry Hancock <barry@flyredstar.org>
>Reply-To: yak-list@matronics.com
>To: yak-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Yak-List: The Feds
>Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 21:02:36 -0700
>
>--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <barry@flyredstar.org>
>
>On Jun 16, 2005, at 11:58 PM, Yak-List Digest Server wrote:
>
> > You can hire an expensive lawyer to weasel his way through the regs,
> > or you
> > can just ignore them. The feds are pretty busy fighting terrorism and
> > can't
> > be bothered with the little things.
>
>Au contraire, mon fraire... The Feds were very interested in the
>Shared Squadrons the first time we put an ad out in In Flight USA.
>The Feds have been searching for a guy at our airport who is
>advertising flight training in the L-39 (not even ACM, etc.). Anything
>that gets advertised is going to raise the eyebrow of the Feds.
>
>In fact, we (Worldwide Warbirds) have been under satellite surveillance
>for several years....10+ L-39's on the same ramp at any one time seems
>to have their interest....
>
>Cheers,
>
>Barry
>
>
>Barry Hancock
>Worldwide Warbirds, Inc.
>1-866-L39-JETS
>cell (949) 300-5510
>www.worldwidewarbirds.com
>www.sharedsquadrons.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: operation and limitations for Yak 52 |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
There may be some debate about whether the ops limits are "physically
attached", but my reading of the regs says that they are part of the
Airworthiness Cert. The Airworthiness Cert must be in the plane, therefore
the ops limits must be carried in the plane when it flies.
I will probably regret having brought this up.
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| Subject: | Re: operation and limitations for Yak 52 |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
I've never found the part that says you need a new Airworthiness Cert when
the plane is sold. Can you reference an FAR? Do you get a new one on a
spam can when it's sold or does the new owner use the old cert?
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| Subject: | Air Filling Connector |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Mike Beresford <mike_beresford@yahoo.co.uk>
Hi all
Does anyone have a specification or drawing for the
connector needed to plug into the YAk-52 air refilling
point? At the moment I'm filling with a makeshift
coupling from a scuba cylinder, but it's not the
easiest arrangement.
Thanks
Mike
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| Subject: | Re: operation and limitations for Yak 52 |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Spencer" <splitimage.wing@verizon.net>
That is a true statement. In order to fly the aircraft legally they must be
on board at all times. They are not like the aircraft logs, hence why many
may confuse the two.
-rs-
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: operation and limitations for Yak 52
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
>
> There may be some debate about whether the ops limits are "physically
> attached", but my reading of the regs says that they are part of the
> Airworthiness Cert. The Airworthiness Cert must be in the plane,
> therefore
> the ops limits must be carried in the plane when it flies.
>
> I will probably regret having brought this up.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: operation and limitations for Yak 52 |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Luke Sollitt <sollitt@srl.caltech.edu>
I think the airworthiness certificate is for the plane, not the owner. It
never expires except by lack of compliance with an AD or lack of annual
(or in our case, condition inspection). Only the registration transfers.
Luke
On Sat, 18 Jun 2005, Ron Davis wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
>
> I've never found the part that says you need a new Airworthiness Cert when
> the plane is sold. Can you reference an FAR? Do you get a new one on a
> spam can when it's sold or does the new owner use the old cert?
>
>
Luke Sollitt
Space Radiation Lab
219 Downs, 220-47 Caltech
Pasadena, CA 91125
(626) 395-6634
"That road does not lead towards war, whose gate lies open to the stars"
-- Alcuin
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| Subject: | Re: operation and limitations for Yak 52 |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
Whenever the plane is sold OR the homebase is changed a NEW cert must
be issued. The homebase and the OWNERS name is clearly written in the
ops limitations. In order to get the cert, the ops limits must be
given to the FSDO they then stamp the date and the FSDO on the
certificate, this is what makes it official. The FSDO guy will ask for
your AW cert and issue you a new one with an issue date which is on
the FSDO stamp. In the case of jets, a maintenance program must also
be submitted with a cover letter showing the home base and the
mechanic authorized to do the work.
On 6/18/05, Luke Sollitt <sollitt@srl.caltech.edu> wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Luke Sollitt <sollitt@srl.caltech.edu>
>
> I think the airworthiness certificate is for the plane, not the owner. It
> never expires except by lack of compliance with an AD or lack of annual
> (or in our case, condition inspection). Only the registration transfers.
>
> Luke
>
> On Sat, 18 Jun 2005, Ron Davis wrote:
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
> >
> > I've never found the part that says you need a new Airworthiness Cert when
> > the plane is sold. Can you reference an FAR? Do you get a new one on a
> > spam can when it's sold or does the new owner use the old cert?
> >
> >
>
> Luke Sollitt
> Space Radiation Lab
> 219 Downs, 220-47 Caltech
> Pasadena, CA 91125
> (626) 395-6634
>
> "That road does not lead towards war, whose gate lies open to the stars"
>
> -- Alcuin
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: operation and limitations for Yak 52 |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net>
If you're going to re-write them it'd be better to:
a) Get with 8130.2E yourself and make up a Word .doc and submit that along
with a print of all of 8130.2E ... besides the fact that you're probably
handier with Word than is some inspector, it will give you a good
understanding of how you're limited and save him some time.
b) Reference the home operating base as an external attachment to the
operating limitations such that next time all somebody has to do is change
the attachment.
Jon
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
>
> Whenever the plane is sold OR the homebase is changed a NEW cert must
> be issued. The homebase and the OWNERS name is clearly written in the
> ops limitations. In order to get the cert, the ops limits must be
> given to the FSDO they then stamp the date and the FSDO on the
> certificate, this is what makes it official. The FSDO guy will ask for
> your AW cert and issue you a new one with an issue date which is on
> the FSDO stamp. In the case of jets, a maintenance program must also
> be submitted with a cover letter showing the home base and the
> mechanic authorized to do the work.
>
> On 6/18/05, Luke Sollitt <sollitt@srl.caltech.edu> wrote:
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: Luke Sollitt <sollitt@srl.caltech.edu>
>>
>> I think the airworthiness certificate is for the plane, not the owner.
>> It
>> never expires except by lack of compliance with an AD or lack of annual
>> (or in our case, condition inspection). Only the registration transfers.
>>
>> Luke
>>
>> On Sat, 18 Jun 2005, Ron Davis wrote:
>>
>> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
>> >
>> > I've never found the part that says you need a new Airworthiness Cert
>> when
>> > the plane is sold. Can you reference an FAR? Do you get a new one on
>> a
>> > spam can when it's sold or does the new owner use the old cert?
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Luke Sollitt
>> Space Radiation Lab
>> 219 Downs, 220-47 Caltech
>> Pasadena, CA 91125
>> (626) 395-6634
>>
>> "That road does not lead towards war, whose gate lies open to the stars"
>>
>> -- Alcuin
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net>
I wonder if you can get an insurance discount for being under satellite
surveillance.
Jon :-)
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Daniel Fortin" <fougapilot@hotmail.com>
>
> Barry,
>
> It is "Au contraire mon FRERE"!!! Get with it buddy ;-)
>
> Dan
>
>>From: Barry Hancock <barry@flyredstar.org>
>>Reply-To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Yak-List: The Feds
>>Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 21:02:36 -0700
>>
>>--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <barry@flyredstar.org>
>>
>>On Jun 16, 2005, at 11:58 PM, Yak-List Digest Server wrote:
>>
>> > You can hire an expensive lawyer to weasel his way through the regs,
>> > or you
>> > can just ignore them. The feds are pretty busy fighting terrorism and
>> > can't
>> > be bothered with the little things.
>>
>>Au contraire, mon fraire... The Feds were very interested in the
>>Shared Squadrons the first time we put an ad out in In Flight USA.
>>The Feds have been searching for a guy at our airport who is
>>advertising flight training in the L-39 (not even ACM, etc.). Anything
>>that gets advertised is going to raise the eyebrow of the Feds.
>>
>>In fact, we (Worldwide Warbirds) have been under satellite surveillance
>>for several years....10+ L-39's on the same ramp at any one time seems
>>to have their interest....
>>
>>Cheers,
>>
>>Barry
>>
>>
>>Barry Hancock
>>Worldwide Warbirds, Inc.
>>1-866-L39-JETS
>>cell (949) 300-5510
>>www.worldwidewarbirds.com
>>www.sharedsquadrons.com
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| Subject: | [ Jim Goolsby ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Email List Photo Shares <pictures@matronics.com>
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Lists: Yak-List,Warbird-List
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| Subject: | Great Circle Route Fuel Stop Planner |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Yaksters;
If you'd like to see what is the shortest route to your destination with
the lowest fuel costs along the way then check out this link. It's a
great tool for planning cross-country flights.
http://www.airnav.com/plan/fuel/
Frank
N9110M
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