Yak-List Digest Archive

Sun 06/19/05


Total Messages Posted: 20



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 02:11 AM - why does? (Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd)
     2. 06:07 AM - Re: Great Circle Route Fuel Stop Planner (Cpayne)
     3. 06:16 AM - Re: why does? (cjpilot710@aol.com)
     4. 09:59 AM - Re: The Feds (Barry Hancock)
     5. 10:09 AM - Re: The Feds (Barry Hancock)
     6. 10:42 AM - Re: why does? (N13472@aol.com)
     7. 11:10 AM - Re: why does? (cjpilot710@aol.com)
     8. 01:38 PM - new member wants m14 (Douwe Blumberg)
     9. 02:04 PM - Re: Re: The Feds (Daniel Fortin)
    10. 03:48 PM - Re: new member wants m14 (Frank Haertlein)
    11. 05:01 PM - Kimble's Aviation / RPA Formation Clinic in GED this coming weekend (Charlie Lynch)
    12. 05:01 PM - Re: new member wants m14 (Stephen Fox)
    13. 05:05 PM - m14 engines (Douwe Blumberg)
    14. 05:54 PM - m14 core wanted (Bart C)
    15. 07:06 PM - Re: operation and limitations for Yak 52 (A. Dennis Savarese)
    16. 07:09 PM - Re: operation and limitations for Yak 52 (A. Dennis Savarese)
    17. 07:09 PM - Re: Air Filling Connector (A. Dennis Savarese)
    18. 07:09 PM - Re: operation and limitations for Yak 52 (A. Dennis Savarese)
    19. 09:26 PM - Re: why does? (N13472@aol.com)
    20. 09:55 PM - T-6, T-34 (Jerry Painter)
 
 
 


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    Time: 02:11:38 AM PST US
    From: Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd <mark.j@yakuk.com>
    Subject: why does?
    --> Yak-List message posted by: Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd <mark.j@yakuk.com> With referance to the below from Frank, why does the world stop at the east and west coast of USA? these boys have it right http://www.landings.com/evird.acgi$pass*57321359!_h-www.landings.com/_landings/pages/search/search_dist_apt.html a very usefull tool indead, one i keep linked at www.yakuk.com/links.asp along with lots of other very usefull navigation data links. BR, mark Yaksters; If you'd like to see what is the shortest route to your destination with the lowest fuel costs along the way then check out this link. It's a great tool for planning cross-country flights. http://www.airnav.com/plan/fuel/ Frank N9110M YAK-52 L71 Best regards, Mark www.yakuk.com +44 (0)1767 651156 office +44 (0)7785 538 317 mobile


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    Time: 06:07:07 AM PST US
    From: Cpayne <cpayne@joimail.com>
    Subject: Re: Great Circle Route Fuel Stop Planner
    --> Yak-List message posted by: Cpayne <cpayne@joimail.com> I am using the AirNav planner for my trip to OSH as I usually do. This time I'm planning for the cheapest fuel but be careful with the results as some prices are dated. Do a "Check Local Fuel Prices" on suggested stops for currency of the price as well as drill down on the airport for FBO name, and telno. I usually call ahead a few days before the trip to verify prices, hours, etc. First time I used the Planner, I landed at a spot where fuel service had been discontinued. It was in a desolate part of FL. I wasted considerabe time buying 10 gallons off a guy who was willing to help so I could safely depart to the nearest fuel. BTW, this next trip is all about efficiency, not speed. The engine has been retuned and I'll "ghost" it up there on minimum power, lumbering along at Yak-like speeds :) Craig Payne


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    Time: 06:16:59 AM PST US
    From: cjpilot710@aol.com
    Subject: Re: why does?
    --> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com In a message dated 6/19/2005 5:13:27 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mark.j@yakuk.com writes: Mark, Excellent site. Great news sections and particularly if I need to fly my CJ to Brazil. However like many of these site, I tested it on known data and found it wrong. Since I was evolved with a particular situation, I can tell you that all they tend get their info from the same source (FAA in this case) and even though that info was up dated some time ago, their sites have not. Guys/gals beware what you read on the Internet. Now to plan my flight FD44-HKG. ;-] Jim "Pappy" Goolsby --> Yak-List message posted by: Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd <mark.j@yakuk.com> With referance to the below from Frank, why does the world stop at the east and west coast of USA? these boys have it right http://www.landings.com/evird.acgi$pass*57321359!_h-www.landings.com/_landings /pages/search/search_dist_apt.html a very usefull tool indead, one i keep linked at www.yakuk.com/links.asp along with lots of other very usefull navigation data links. BR, mark Yaksters; If you'd like to see what is the shortest route to your destination with the lowest fuel costs along the way then check out this link. It's a great tool for planning cross-country flights. http://www.airnav.com/plan/fuel/ Frank N9110M YAK-52 L71 Best regards, Mark www.yakuk.com +44 (0)1767 651156 office +44 (0)7785 538 317 mobile


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    Time: 09:59:17 AM PST US
    From: Barry Hancock <barry@flyredstar.org>
    Subject: Re: The Feds
    --> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <barry@flyredstar.org> On Jun 18, 2005, at 11:58 PM, Yak-List Digest Server wrote: > Think how worried the feds would be if Worldwide Warbirds had ten > FLYING > L-39s on the ramp... Uh, we do..... Barry Barry Hancock Worldwide Warbirds, Inc. 1-866-L39-JETS cell (949) 300-5510 www.worldwidewarbirds.com www.sharedsquadrons.com


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    Time: 10:09:39 AM PST US
    From: Barry Hancock <barry@flyredstar.org>
    Subject: Re: The Feds
    --> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <barry@flyredstar.org> On Jun 18, 2005, at 11:58 PM, Yak-List Digest Server wrote: > Barry, > > It is "Au contraire mon FRERE"!!! Get with it buddy ;-) > > Dan I stand corrected...by a Canadian, even! :)- You and your fire breathing CJ gonna be at OSH? B


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    Time: 10:42:42 AM PST US
    From: N13472@aol.com
    Subject: Re: why does?
    --> Yak-List message posted by: N13472@aol.com In a message dated 6/19/2005 2:13:27 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mark.j@yakuk.com writes: --> Yak-List message posted by: Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd <mark.j@yakuk.com> With reference to the below from Frank, why does the world stop at the east and west coast of USA? Because 99% of ALL General Aviation in the world does stop at the East and West coast of the USA. Tom Elliott CJ-6 NX63727 Sandy Valley NV 3L2 702-723-1223


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    Time: 11:10:43 AM PST US
    From: cjpilot710@aol.com
    Subject: Re: why does?
    --> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com Mark & Tom, I'm afraid Tom is close to right. About half of the residents on our airpark are Englishmen because they like the freedom of flying here. You ought to hear them grip. Fellow American, we simply must never let our government get that strong. BTW Tom, guess who I met at North Bend, Or. while flying the B-17? Well lets just say when it comes to genetics, he got the best good looks from his mom. ;-) Jim "Pappy" Goolsby ****************************************************************** In a message dated 6/19/2005 2:13:27 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, mark.j@yakuk.com writes: --> Yak-List message posted by: Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd <mark.j@yakuk.com> With reference to the below from Frank, why does the world stop at the east and west coast of USA? Because 99% of ALL General Aviation in the world does stop at the East and West coast of the USA. Tom Elliott CJ-6 NX63727 Sandy Valley NV 3L2 702-723-1223


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    Time: 01:38:12 PM PST US
    From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
    Subject: new member wants m14
    --> Yak-List message posted by: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg@earthlink.net> Hello, I am building a WW1 plane and am looking for a good m14 or housai engine. can you guys point me in the right direction. Thanks, Douwe Blumberg


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    Time: 02:04:48 PM PST US
    From: "Daniel Fortin" <fougapilot@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Re: The Feds
    --> Yak-List message posted by: "Daniel Fortin" <fougapilot@hotmail.com> >You and your fire breathing CJ gonna be at OSH? Thats the plan so far. See you there. D


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    Time: 03:48:29 PM PST US
    From: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
    Subject: new member wants m14
    --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net> Douwe Click on this link to begin your search http://home.earthlink.net/~yak52driver Frank -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe Blumberg Subject: Yak-List: new member wants m14 --> Yak-List message posted by: "Douwe Blumberg" --> <douweblumberg@earthlink.net> Hello, I am building a WW1 plane and am looking for a good m14 or housai engine. can you guys point me in the right direction. Thanks, Douwe Blumberg


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    Time: 05:01:48 PM PST US
    Subject: Kimble's Aviation / RPA Formation Clinic in GED this coming
    weekend
    From: "Charlie Lynch" <lynch@netjets.com>
    0.03 HTML_TEXT_AFTER_HTML BODY": yak-list@matronics.com --> Yak-List message posted by: "Charlie Lynch" <lynch@netjets.com> Hi, 1) There will be parachute riggers on call if you need a repack. Feel free to bring your spare chutes if they are out of date or are close to needing a repack. 2) There will be a highly qualified instructor at the event and she can take care of any lapsed or soon to expire BFRs. 3) One of the photographers will not be able to attend. Does any have someone we can invite who has professional aerial experience? We will have a few spots available on the B-25 if anyone has a friend who is an armature photographer. We are looking for someone who is pretty good, who will really appreciate the experience and who would be willing to share pictures with those of us in the group who may want a copy of their plane in action. Sean has told me that he has the critical items required for this event in terms of spare parts, a mechanic on duty and two kegs of ice cold beer for evening hangar flying of course. Looking forward to seeing everyone this weekend. Take care, Charlie Mr. Charles R. Lynch Vice President NetJets, Inc. - A Berkshire Hathaway Company 99 Winthrop Drive Riverside, CT 06878 (203) 637 - 2914 office (203) 637 - 4747 fax (732) 599 - 5473 cell Lynch@NetJets.com ********** This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail and delete the message.


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    Time: 05:01:48 PM PST US
    From: Stephen Fox <jsfox@adelphia.net>
    Subject: Re: new member wants m14
    --> Yak-List message posted by: Stephen Fox <jsfox@adelphia.net> On Jun 19, 2005, at 4:53 PM, Douwe Blumberg wrote: > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Douwe Blumberg" > <douweblumberg@earthlink.net> > > Hello, > > I am building a WW1 plane and am looking for a good m14 or housai > engine. can you guys point me in the right direction. > > Thanks, > > Douwe Blumberg Try contacting George Coy at: http://www.gesoco.com or Dennis Savarese at: http://www.yak-52.com/ Steve "SOB" Fox Yak 52 N3043R http://homepage.mac.com/steve.fox/PhotoAlbum5.html


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    Time: 05:05:29 PM PST US
    From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
    Subject: m14 engines
    --> Yak-List message posted by: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg@earthlink.net> Hello, As I look at the m14 for my ww1 project, can you guys give me some thoughts as to the reliability of this engine, especially the direct drive model D? and what is the realistic TBO Thanks Douwe


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    Time: 05:54:01 PM PST US
    From: Bart C <barchiola@yahoo.com>
    Subject: m14 core wanted
    --> Yak-List message posted by: Bart C <barchiola@yahoo.com> Hi Everyone, I'm building an M-14P powered Pitts Model 12 and am searching for a mid time, first run, M-14P core. My intent is to have it on hand while I'm building the plane and then to have it overhauled when I'm nearing my first flight. Any leads would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Bart Cocchiola 973 851 4866, cell Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com


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    Time: 07:06:51 PM PST US
    From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: operation and limitations for Yak 52
    --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com> You don't need one to sell it. But the buyer will have to go through the hassle of obtaining one. If it's been flying (legally), it will have been issued a Special Airworthiness Certificate. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Yak-List: operation and limitations for Yak 52 > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com> > > I've never found the part that says you need a new Airworthiness Cert when > the plane is sold. Can you reference an FAR? Do you get a new one on a > spam can when it's sold or does the new owner use the old cert? > > >


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    Time: 07:09:33 PM PST US
    From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: operation and limitations for Yak 52
    --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com> You are right on the money Ron. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Yak-List: operation and limitations for Yak 52 > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com> > > There may be some debate about whether the ops limits are "physically > attached", but my reading of the regs says that they are part of the > Airworthiness Cert. The Airworthiness Cert must be in the plane, > therefore > the ops limits must be carried in the plane when it flies. > > I will probably regret having brought this up. > > >


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    Time: 07:09:33 PM PST US
    From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Air Filling Connector
    --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com> Drill and tap the cover plate to accept a standard Schrader valve fitting. Then reinstall the cover. It's a 1/8" NPT fitting. It's the best solution you can have. Then all you need is a Schrader valve fitting on the hose from your scuba cylinder. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Beresford" <mike_beresford@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: Yak-List: Air Filling Connector > --> Yak-List message posted by: Mike Beresford > <mike_beresford@yahoo.co.uk> > > Hi all > > Does anyone have a specification or drawing for the > connector needed to plug into the YAk-52 air refilling > point? At the moment I'm filling with a makeshift > coupling from a scuba cylinder, but it's not the > easiest arrangement. > > Thanks > Mike > > >


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    Time: 07:09:44 PM PST US
    From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: operation and limitations for Yak 52
    --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com> Correct Luke. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Sollitt" <sollitt@srl.caltech.edu> Subject: Re: Yak-List: operation and limitations for Yak 52 > --> Yak-List message posted by: Luke Sollitt <sollitt@srl.caltech.edu> > > I think the airworthiness certificate is for the plane, not the owner. It > never expires except by lack of compliance with an AD or lack of annual > (or in our case, condition inspection). Only the registration transfers. > > Luke > > On Sat, 18 Jun 2005, Ron Davis wrote: > >> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com> >> >> I've never found the part that says you need a new Airworthiness Cert >> when >> the plane is sold. Can you reference an FAR? Do you get a new one on a >> spam can when it's sold or does the new owner use the old cert? >> >> > > Luke Sollitt > Space Radiation Lab > 219 Downs, 220-47 Caltech > Pasadena, CA 91125 > (626) 395-6634 > > "That road does not lead towards war, whose gate lies open to the stars" > > -- Alcuin > > >


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    Time: 09:26:34 PM PST US
    From: N13472@aol.com
    Subject: Re: why does?
    --> Yak-List message posted by: N13472@aol.com In a message dated 6/19/2005 11:11:18 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, cjpilot710@aol.com writes: BTW Tom, guess who I met at North Bend, Or. while flying the B-17? Well lets just say when it comes to genetics, he got the best good looks from his mom. ;-) Jim "Pappy" Goolsby Yes I heard he met the famous RIP VAN WINKLE in person


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    Time: 09:55:59 PM PST US
    From: "Jerry Painter" <wild.blue@verizon.net>
    Subject: T-6, T-34
    IMItemGuid: {81FF3828-EE5A-4857-B342-81F8491BE134} 0.01 URI_REDIRECTOR Message has HTTP redirector URI 0.48 HTTP_ESCAPED_HOST URI: Uses %-escapes inside a URL's hostname 0.11 HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY BODY: HTML has "tbody" tag 0.79 HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST BODY: HTML font color similar to background 0.00 HTML_NONELEMENT_00_10 BODY: 0% to 10% of HTML elements are non-standard --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jerry Painter" <wild.blue@verizon.net> Painter rants again... I know this is an old subject. I bring it up once again only because the difficulties faced by our brothers and sisters with afflicted T-6's and T-34's are "fortunate" that their aircraft were produced in an English speaking county and through sheer dumb luck have US Type Certificates. Consequently, they are subject to and beneficiaries of Service Bulletins and Airworthiness Directives under CFR 14 Part 39 et al. Those of us flying Yak-52's, CJ's etc. aren't so "lucky," even though there are large numbers of "SB's and AD's" that are applicable, legally binding under US law or not. An esteemed fellow Yakster emailed me off list to point out that Experimental aircraft don't have SB's or AD's, though he thoughtfully appended an SB (or was it an AD?) in Chinese characters (where'd you that thing any way? Have any more? In English?). While, of course, that's technically true, the term "Experimental" is merely a legal/political one for purposes of categorization of civilian aircraft in the US. No, CJ's and -52's aren't "certificated" airplanes, but they sure ain't "experimental" (lower case "e") neither, at least not in the minds of the Russians or Chinese. In fact, military airplanes, regardless of origin, are generally subject to large numbers of "AD's and SB's," but they may not be issued under Part 39. There more than 100 such on the Yak-52. No doubt there are many applicable to CJ's, too, but I've never seen a list, let alone the full text. If anyone has such a list, and particularly the full text and drawings, I'd sure like to see it, in English, please, thank you very much. Doug, Colin? Maybe Bushi Cheng can be prevailed upon by one of our more influential members who may be off suffering the misfortunes and travails of a B-24 pilot to obtain said list? Even though there is a large number of Bulletins on Yak-52's, and the list is available, getting the full text is no simple matter. I used to be a dealer for our good friends at Aerostar, made several requests for same, but never got 'em. I don't think they were trying to hide them, but the full text for all ran to several hundred pages and had never been fully translated to English. Mark, Richard, anybody, do you have the full text, in English? This list and the RPA are the only "agencies" I know of that provide a continuing source of information. Anyone tried corresponding with the NAMC? Some of the information supplied here is strictly "anecdotal," some is right on the mark. The Yak-52 "Aft Fuselage and Control Linkage FOD Prevention Barrier" is a good example of something that became well known because of this list. Are there -52's flying without the barrier? I'm sure there are. Is it "required" by FAR in the US? No. Are there are other problems most of us are unaware of? You bet. Will they kill some of us. Yes. Does the FAA care? They do. Fact is the term "experimental" very much applies to the operation of CJ's, 52's etc. in the US. If someone became aware of or suffered a mechanical problem that could afflict my aircraft I would certainly like to have the problem assessed by technically competent people and brought to my attention, since virtually any sort of mechanical problem can be life threatening to me, my pax and innocent bystanders. Both the Russians and Chinese provide such a service--but not to us civilians. In the meantime, we're strictly on our own. And every airplane is subject to a rolling-G limit that is lower than its "straight-ahead" load limit. I don't believe for a nanosecond that any non-pilot who ever bought a ride or "training" any ever pulled the wings off any airplane. Surprises for the PIC? Oh, yes, once in a great while. Wing failures? NFW. They puke first. Just ask me. And my good friends Dennis et al, I don't think just anyone, pilot or not, is legally allowed to perform any inspection or most maintenance, nor is it a good idea, Sport Light notwithstanding. Sorry. Honorable people may disagree. While I also don't believe 4000 hour CJ's, 2000 hour -52's and 100 hour -50's are unsalvageable scrap or permanently un-airworthy, neither the Russians nor the Chinese retired them for purposes of unemployment prevention. They rode them hard, put them away wet and often didn't have the means, skill or parts needed to effect proper repairs in the field, nor was it economically sensible. Sitting outside doesn't do them any good, either. And, as a matter of fact, they actually were often maintained by "illiterate" peasants, albeit with some degree of training, see also above. If you've ever noticed the hobnail boot marks on wing skins and fuselage, dents from seat belts being thrown over cockpit sides etc., you'd have to wonder about the pilots, too. NAMC recommends any airplane not received directly from them should be "rejected." Simple bolt-togethers with a paint job ain't "ground-up restorations," any more than an IRAN is a reman, especially when performed by untrained people without benefit of parts, manuals, SB's or AD's. Also: Hey, parachutes, flight suits, helmets, boots, formations and ACM are great fun, but remember what happened after the "Experimental" F-86 crash thirty-five years ago? Watch the rolling G's, heads up and collars down please. Oh. One more thing. Craig, my main man, pardner, good buddy, he behind the mask upon the white stallion who makes the CJ go faster than a speeding silver bullet, you can be my wing man any time, but you're not really gonna put swastikas on your CJ are you? Sigh... They'll just slow you down. Believe it now and hear me later--I read it on this list, I think. And the sun has officially been observed in the skies over Seattle 24/7/365. Dale Carnegie? Don't think I know him. That is all. 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