Today's Message Index:
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1. 12:39 AM - Re: why does? (Mark Jefferies)
2. 04:19 AM - Re: Swastickas (Cpayne)
3. 06:34 AM - Re: why does? (Roger Doc Kemp)
4. 06:35 AM - Re: why does? (Roger Doc Kemp)
5. 07:39 AM - Re: why does? (Robert Starnes)
6. 08:34 AM - Service Bulletins (Richard Goode)
7. 09:30 AM - Re: why does? (Fraser, Gus)
8. 09:38 AM - Great White North (Daniel Fortin)
9. 09:58 AM - Re: why does? (cjpilot710@aol.com)
10. 10:06 AM - Re: why does? (Vance Cochrane)
11. 10:10 AM - as requested. (Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd)
12. 12:29 PM - Re: operation and limitations for Yak 52 (Richard Basiliere)
13. 01:57 PM - Re: operation and limitations for Yak 52 (Roger Doc Kemp)
14. 02:17 PM - Re: operation and limitations for Yak 52 (Richard Basiliere)
15. 02:19 PM - Re: operation and limitations for Yak 52 (A. Dennis Savarese)
16. 02:24 PM - Re: operation and limitations for Yak 52 (Ernest Martinez)
17. 02:29 PM - Re: operation and limitations for Yak 52 (A. Dennis Savarese)
18. 02:42 PM - OSH MTW (Jay Land)
19. 02:44 PM - Re: operation and limitations for Yak 52 (A. Dennis Savarese)
20. 02:54 PM - Re: operation and limitations for Yak 52 (Roger Doc Kemp)
21. 03:02 PM - Re: operation and limitations for Yak 52 (Richard Basiliere)
22. 04:50 PM - Re: operation and limitations for Yak 52 (A. Dennis Savarese)
23. 04:50 PM - Re: operation and limitations for Yak 52 (A. Dennis Savarese)
24. 07:03 PM - Re: operation and limitations for Yak 52 (Roger Doc Kemp)
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Jefferies" <mark.j@yakuk.com>
Realy!!!! Is that not a blinkered view again :>)) and another thing, why is
it that only 5% of Americans have a passport? Is it because 95% think the
world stops at east and west coast?
Br, MJ
Ps, don't get too wound up I'm only having fun.
--> Yak-List message posted by: Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd
<mark.j@yakuk.com>
With reference to the below from Frank, why does the world stop at
the east
and west coast of USA?
Because 99% of ALL General Aviation in the world does stop at the East
and
West coast
of the USA.
Tom Elliott
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Cpayne <cpayne@joimail.com>
Jerry Said:
>Oh. One more thing. Craig, my main man, pardner, good buddy, he behind the
>mask upon the white stallion who makes the CJ go faster than a speeding
>silver bullet, you can be my wing man any time, but you're not really gonna
>put swastikas on your CJ are you? Sigh... They'll just slow you down.
>Believe it now and hear me later--I read it on this list, I think. And the
>sun has officially been observed in the skies over Seattle 24/7/365.
Yes, I believe I'll leave them on from the WW-II re-enactment show Pappy and I
flew in at Ft. Pierce. Ole '85' looks real naked without a speck of paint. To
make an authentic looking "Mocke-Wulf". I'll add the markings of a Gruppe Kommandor
from JG53 with many Yak Kill markings :) Perhaps I could drum up some more
re-enactment gigs. Did I mention that we got a ride in a Stuart tank? Big Fun.
PS: I have forsaken speed for efficiency. So far I get 10NMPG and I'm aiming for
12.5NMPG. That would be 14MPG in statue terms. Hourly burn ranges from 9.2 to
11GPH. Plenty of MMO will be on-board for those Mogas stops up to Oshkosh.
Craig Payne
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Because we've learned that there is a big bad world out there that wants to
kill us. So most of us that travel now travel with military ID's, on
orders, and armed.
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: Mark Jefferies <mark.j@yakuk.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 6/20/2005 2:38:25 AM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: why does?
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Jefferies" <mark.j@yakuk.com>
>
> Realy!!!! Is that not a blinkered view again :>)) and another thing, why
is
> it that only 5% of Americans have a passport? Is it because 95% think the
> world stops at east and west coast?
>
> Br, MJ
>
> Ps, don't get too wound up I'm only having fun.
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd
> <mark.j@yakuk.com>
>
> With reference to the below from Frank, why does the world stop at
> the east
> and west coast of USA?
>
>
> Because 99% of ALL General Aviation in the world does stop at the
East
> and
> West coast
> of the USA.
>
>
> Tom Elliott
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Oh, I forgot...in pointy nosed aircraft loaded 2x4xgun.
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: Mark Jefferies <mark.j@yakuk.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 6/20/2005 2:38:25 AM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: why does?
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Jefferies" <mark.j@yakuk.com>
>
> Realy!!!! Is that not a blinkered view again :>)) and another thing, why
is
> it that only 5% of Americans have a passport? Is it because 95% think the
> world stops at east and west coast?
>
> Br, MJ
>
> Ps, don't get too wound up I'm only having fun.
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd
> <mark.j@yakuk.com>
>
> With reference to the below from Frank, why does the world stop at
> the east
> and west coast of USA?
>
>
> Because 99% of ALL General Aviation in the world does stop at the
East
> and
> West coast
> of the USA.
>
>
> Tom Elliott
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Robert Starnes <a35plt@yahoo.com>
Well,
God knows nobody is gonna travel to England for the
food. Thank god for subway and macdonalds. Was in old
blighty for a week in april and the only GA airplane I
saw was a hawker business jet at london city airport.
BTW mark, you and your fellow citizens need to inform
your leaders that it's high time to start rebuilding
the Empire. Is it true that Morgan is now the only
British owned car manufacturer? equipped with a BMW
engine no less?
-Robert Starnes
Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football
http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com
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| Subject: | Service Bulletins |
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Richard Goode" <richard.goode@russianaeros.com>
To follow on from Jerry Painter=92s listing about Service Bulletins:
=D8 For the Yak-52, there are 114 Service Bulletins.
=D8 Many of these are trivial (manual changes etc), but some clearly are critical.
=D8 Of the ones that are genuinely important, they then fall into two categories
=96 flying the aeroplane hard (as it was intended) or for gentle aerobatics.
=D8 It does concern me that people refer to a Yak-52 as: =91having the heavy
spar,=92 as if this is the only thing to consider.
=D8 Similarly in the case of the Yak-50, people refer, again, to the =91heavy
spar,=92 but what about Service Bulletin 16/37/43/53/61 (superseding 37)/79
itself in three versions.
=D8 We have Russian originals of these Service Bulletins, and having Russian
engineers can operate from those. However there are, in total, some two thousand
pages of highly technical descriptions, which would be a huge job for someone
to translate and disseminate. However very happy to make these available
if someone has the appropriate facilities to translate.
Richard Goode
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Herefordshire
HR5 3LW
United Kingdom
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Mob: +44 (0) 7768 610389
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Fraser, Gus" <gus.fraser@gs.com>
The reason we lost the empire is because in the last two world wars we had
to fight and finance the first half on our own. The start dates for the last
two world wars were 1914 (America joined the war in 1917) and 1939 (America
joined the war in 1941 after Germany declared war on the US) respectively.
I used to have an old Squadron CO (RAF) who was ex battle of Britain who
said "Well the Tommy Tanks [Yanks in cockney slang] have been late turning
up for the last two but they promise to be really punctual for the next
one."
The reason we lost the empire is that we had to repay all that lend lease
stuff, but guys don't worry our input in Iraq is a freebie, just because we
like you all.
Here is something we can all agree on. We did produce the greatest
politician who ever lived, Winston Spencer Churchill.
TIC
:))
Gus Fraser
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Starnes
Subject: Re: Yak-List: why does?
--> Yak-List message posted by: Robert Starnes <a35plt@yahoo.com>
Well,
God knows nobody is gonna travel to England for the
food. Thank god for subway and macdonalds. Was in old
blighty for a week in april and the only GA airplane I
saw was a hawker business jet at london city airport.
BTW mark, you and your fellow citizens need to inform
your leaders that it's high time to start rebuilding
the Empire. Is it true that Morgan is now the only
British owned car manufacturer? equipped with a BMW
engine no less?
-Robert Starnes
Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football
http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com
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| Subject: | Great White North |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Daniel Fortin" <fougapilot@hotmail.com>
Guys,
Just looking for a show of hands, how many of you would be interested to
visiting me in the Great White North? It would take shape as an informal
weekend fly-in. The emphasis would be on FUN. Formation flying would
definitely be at the center of this event, but we could also easily had an
acro box going. As with all events like this, there is a bit of work to do
so I would need to know before July if this thing will fly. You never know,
if you guys like the Canadian hospitality and Canadian BEER... this COULD
become an annual event.
Cheers,
Dan Fortin
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--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
__________Gus________________________________
>
The reason we lost the empire is that we had to repay all that lend lease
stuff, but guys don't worry our input in Iraq is a freebie, just because we
like you all.
Yep sometime my fellow Americans forget how long it took us to enter the
war.
Than it took a slap up side the head (Pearl Harbor) to get us moving.
You think we have learn anything from 9/11?
Thank God you guys are on our side in this one too.
Here is something we can all agree on. We did produce the greatest
politician who ever lived, Winston Spencer Churchill.
Right O' on Churchill. Almost took to smoking cigars.
BTW I get tears in my eyes when ever I hear bag pipes.
No, it an' sound.
I think somewhere on my "Y" chromosomes is a Britisher enzyme.
Beside the CJ has air brakes and gear just like the Spit, right?
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
TIC
:))
Gus Fraser
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Vance Cochrane <vec@ecochrane.com>
--- "Fraser, Gus" <gus.fraser@gs.com> wrote:
(Stuff removed)
> Here is something we can all agree on. We did
> produce the greatest
> politician who ever lived, Winston Spencer
> Churchill.
But don't forget, he had an American mother ;)
Vance Cochrane
Cochrane Consulting, Inc.
PO Box 854 Belmont, CA 94002
Voice: 415-412-3062
Fax: 415-651-9364
Email: vec@ecochrane.com
Web: http://www.ecochrane.com
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd <mark.j@yakuk.com>
Mark I don't subscribe anymore but I could not resist this can you post it for
me, thanks
Gus
The reason we lost the empire is because in the last two world wars we had to fight
and finance the first half on our own. The start dates for the last two world
wars were 1914 (America joined the war in 1917) and 1939 (America joined
the war in 1941 after Germany declared war on the US) respectively.
I used to have an old Squadron CO (RAF) who was ex battle of Britain who said "Well
the Tommy Tanks [Yanks in cockney slang] have been late turning up for the
last two but they promise to be really punctual for the next one."
The reason we lost the empire is that we had to repay all that lend lease stuff,
but guys don't worry our input in Iraq is a freebie, just because we like you
all.
Here is something we can all agree on. We did produce the greatest politician who
ever lived, Winston Spencer Churchill.
TIC
:))
Gus Fraser
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Starnes
Subject: Re: Yak-List: why does?
--> Yak-List message posted by: Robert Starnes <a35plt@yahoo.com>
Well,
God knows nobody is gonna travel to England for the
food. Thank god for subway and macdonalds. Was in old
blighty for a week in april and the only GA airplane I
saw was a hawker business jet at london city airport.
BTW mark, you and your fellow citizens need to inform
your leaders that it's high time to start rebuilding
the Empire. Is it true that Morgan is now the only
British owned car manufacturer? equipped with a BMW
engine no less?
-Robert Starnes
Best regards, Mark
www.yakuk.com
+44 (0)1767 651156 office +44 (0)7785 538 317 mobile
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| Subject: | Re: operation and limitations for Yak 52 |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Richard Basiliere" <BasiliereR@ci.boulder.co.us>
For a fact: my SU-29 sn73-05 has the same op limits it was born with.
Airworthiness cert is original even though the a/c has moved homes 4
times - FL-LA-CO (FTG)-CO (2V2).
There is no provision for the Fed to see/smell/feel/ or stamp anything
re: my plane in the ops limits.
respectfully, Rick
>>> erniel29@gmail.com 6/18/2005 10:38:34 AM >>>
--> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
Whenever the plane is sold OR the homebase is changed a NEW cert must
be issued. The homebase and the OWNERS name is clearly written in the
ops limitations. In order to get the cert, the ops limits must be
given to the FSDO they then stamp the date and the FSDO on the
certificate, this is what makes it official. The FSDO guy will ask for
your AW cert and issue you a new one with an issue date which is on
the FSDO stamp. In the case of jets, a maintenance program must also
be submitted with a cover letter showing the home base and the
mechanic authorized to do the work.
On 6/18/05, Luke Sollitt <sollitt@srl.caltech.edu> wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Luke Sollitt
<sollitt@srl.caltech.edu>
>
> I think the airworthiness certificate is for the plane, not the
owner. It
> never expires except by lack of compliance with an AD or lack of
annual
> (or in our case, condition inspection). Only the registration
transfers.
>
> Luke
>
> On Sat, 18 Jun 2005, Ron Davis wrote:
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
> >
> > I've never found the part that says you need a new Airworthiness
Cert when
> > the plane is sold. Can you reference an FAR? Do you get a new one
on a
> > spam can when it's sold or does the new owner use the old cert?
> >
> >
>
> Luke Sollitt
> Space Radiation Lab
> 219 Downs, 220-47 Caltech
> Pasadena, CA 91125
> (626) 395-6634
>
> "That road does not lead towards war, whose gate lies open to the
stars"
>
> -- Alcuin
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: operation and limitations for Yak 52 |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Are you in the experimental show catagory or do you have an unlimited A/W
cert? Otherwise you were supposed to notify the FSDO of your moves with the
Aircraft. I am certainly not an expert on this issue in that I have owned
only on foreign national aircraft (a YAK-52). Maybe you are in the lucky
few catagory that got the unlimited A/W cert's before the feds woke up an
started feeling intimidated by the Russian A/C proliferation. Maybe they
look at your SU-29 with rose colored glasses in a different light, I do not
know what lurks in the mind of a FAA FED or why they say or do onething one
day and turn around the next day only to change.
Doc
YAK-52 N552SH
> [Original Message]
> From: Richard Basiliere <BasiliereR@ci.boulder.co.us>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 6/20/2005 2:28:07 PM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: operation and limitations for Yak 52
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Richard Basiliere"
<BasiliereR@ci.boulder.co.us>
>
> For a fact: my SU-29 sn73-05 has the same op limits it was born with.
> Airworthiness cert is original even though the a/c has moved homes 4
> times - FL-LA-CO (FTG)-CO (2V2).
>
> There is no provision for the Fed to see/smell/feel/ or stamp anything
> re: my plane in the ops limits.
>
> respectfully, Rick
>
> >>> erniel29@gmail.com 6/18/2005 10:38:34 AM >>>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
>
> Whenever the plane is sold OR the homebase is changed a NEW cert must
> be issued. The homebase and the OWNERS name is clearly written in the
> ops limitations. In order to get the cert, the ops limits must be
> given to the FSDO they then stamp the date and the FSDO on the
> certificate, this is what makes it official. The FSDO guy will ask for
> your AW cert and issue you a new one with an issue date which is on
> the FSDO stamp. In the case of jets, a maintenance program must also
> be submitted with a cover letter showing the home base and the
> mechanic authorized to do the work.
>
> On 6/18/05, Luke Sollitt <sollitt@srl.caltech.edu> wrote:
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: Luke Sollitt
> <sollitt@srl.caltech.edu>
> >
> > I think the airworthiness certificate is for the plane, not the
> owner. It
> > never expires except by lack of compliance with an AD or lack of
> annual
> > (or in our case, condition inspection). Only the registration
> transfers.
> >
> > Luke
> >
> > On Sat, 18 Jun 2005, Ron Davis wrote:
> >
> > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
> > >
> > > I've never found the part that says you need a new Airworthiness
> Cert when
> > > the plane is sold. Can you reference an FAR? Do you get a new one
> on a
> > > spam can when it's sold or does the new owner use the old cert?
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Luke Sollitt
> > Space Radiation Lab
> > 219 Downs, 220-47 Caltech
> > Pasadena, CA 91125
> > (626) 395-6634
> >
> > "That road does not lead towards war, whose gate lies open to the
> stars"
> >
> > -- Alcuin
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: operation and limitations for Yak 52 |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Richard Basiliere" <BasiliereR@ci.boulder.co.us>
"Expermental/Exhibition" is the category written on my (Sukhoi)
airworthiness cert. Nothing in my Operating Limitations states I need
to ever talk to the Fed for any reason to do with N55SU.
Respectfully, Rick
>>> viperdoc@mindspring.com 6/20/2005 2:54:32 PM >>>
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp"
<viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Are you in the experimental show catagory or do you have an unlimited
A/W
cert? Otherwise you were supposed to notify the FSDO of your moves with
the
Aircraft. I am certainly not an expert on this issue in that I have
owned
only on foreign national aircraft (a YAK-52). Maybe you are in the
lucky
few catagory that got the unlimited A/W cert's before the feds woke up
an
started feeling intimidated by the Russian A/C proliferation. Maybe
they
look at your SU-29 with rose colored glasses in a different light, I do
not
know what lurks in the mind of a FAA FED or why they say or do onething
one
day and turn around the next day only to change.
Doc
YAK-52 N552SH
> [Original Message]
> From: Richard Basiliere <BasiliereR@ci.boulder.co.us>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 6/20/2005 2:28:07 PM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: operation and limitations for Yak 52
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Richard Basiliere"
<BasiliereR@ci.boulder.co.us>
>
> For a fact: my SU-29 sn73-05 has the same op limits it was born
with.
> Airworthiness cert is original even though the a/c has moved homes 4
> times - FL-LA-CO (FTG)-CO (2V2).
>
> There is no provision for the Fed to see/smell/feel/ or stamp
anything
> re: my plane in the ops limits.
>
> respectfully, Rick
>
> >>> erniel29@gmail.com 6/18/2005 10:38:34 AM >>>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
>
> Whenever the plane is sold OR the homebase is changed a NEW cert
must
> be issued. The homebase and the OWNERS name is clearly written in
the
> ops limitations. In order to get the cert, the ops limits must be
> given to the FSDO they then stamp the date and the FSDO on the
> certificate, this is what makes it official. The FSDO guy will ask
for
> your AW cert and issue you a new one with an issue date which is on
> the FSDO stamp. In the case of jets, a maintenance program must also
> be submitted with a cover letter showing the home base and the
> mechanic authorized to do the work.
>
> On 6/18/05, Luke Sollitt <sollitt@srl.caltech.edu> wrote:
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: Luke Sollitt
> <sollitt@srl.caltech.edu>
> >
> > I think the airworthiness certificate is for the plane, not the
> owner. It
> > never expires except by lack of compliance with an AD or lack of
> annual
> > (or in our case, condition inspection). Only the registration
> transfers.
> >
> > Luke
> >
> > On Sat, 18 Jun 2005, Ron Davis wrote:
> >
> > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis"
<l39parts@hotmail.com>
> > >
> > > I've never found the part that says you need a new Airworthiness
> Cert when
> > > the plane is sold. Can you reference an FAR? Do you get a new
one
> on a
> > > spam can when it's sold or does the new owner use the old cert?
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Luke Sollitt
> > Space Radiation Lab
> > 219 Downs, 220-47 Caltech
> > Pasadena, CA 91125
> > (626) 395-6634
> >
> > "That road does not lead towards war, whose gate lies open to the
> stars"
> >
> > -- Alcuin
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: operation and limitations for Yak 52 |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
Your ops limits must be like the ones we developed here locally working with
the DAR that we use to issue the airworthiness certificate and ops limits
for the Yak 52's I bring in from Lithuania. These ops limits have an
Operational Program Letter (not to be confused with the standard annual
events program letter). The operational program letter is effectively a
cover letter to the ops limits with the home base airport listed on this
page. With these acceptable ops limits (meaning acceptable to the FAA of
course), the airplane never has to be issued a new airworthiness certificate
and ops limits if it is moved to another home base airport or sold since the
home base airport is not stated within the ops limits. The home base
airport is referenced in the ops limits "as listed in the Operation Progam
Letter". That's the beauty of them. When the airplane moves or is sold,
the respective owner simply sends in a new Operational Program Letter to the
local FSDO with the following statement. "I certify this aircraft will be
operated in accordance with its operating limitations (copy attached) and
the new home base airport is _______________."
In most cases when a FSDO inspector issues the airworthiness certificate and
ops limits using the exact wording in FAA Order 8130.2E, which has the home
base airport embedded in the ops limits. If the ops limits have the home
base airport stated in them, then my previous post is valid.
Always remember though, the FAA/FSDO has the right to review and reissue
anyone's operating limitations based on changes to either the
regulations/FAA Order or environment where the aircraft is typically flown.
Since we all know that FAA/FSDO personnel despise doing excess paperwork,
this certainly does not happen very often. Of course, maintaining a low
profile is always advantageous.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Basiliere" <BasiliereR@ci.boulder.co.us>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: operation and limitations for Yak 52
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Richard Basiliere"
> <BasiliereR@ci.boulder.co.us>
>
> For a fact: my SU-29 sn73-05 has the same op limits it was born with.
> Airworthiness cert is original even though the a/c has moved homes 4
> times - FL-LA-CO (FTG)-CO (2V2).
>
> There is no provision for the Fed to see/smell/feel/ or stamp anything
> re: my plane in the ops limits.
>
> respectfully, Rick
>
>>>> erniel29@gmail.com 6/18/2005 10:38:34 AM >>>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
>
> Whenever the plane is sold OR the homebase is changed a NEW cert must
> be issued. The homebase and the OWNERS name is clearly written in the
> ops limitations. In order to get the cert, the ops limits must be
> given to the FSDO they then stamp the date and the FSDO on the
> certificate, this is what makes it official. The FSDO guy will ask for
> your AW cert and issue you a new one with an issue date which is on
> the FSDO stamp. In the case of jets, a maintenance program must also
> be submitted with a cover letter showing the home base and the
> mechanic authorized to do the work.
>
> On 6/18/05, Luke Sollitt <sollitt@srl.caltech.edu> wrote:
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: Luke Sollitt
> <sollitt@srl.caltech.edu>
>>
>> I think the airworthiness certificate is for the plane, not the
> owner. It
>> never expires except by lack of compliance with an AD or lack of
> annual
>> (or in our case, condition inspection). Only the registration
> transfers.
>>
>> Luke
>>
>> On Sat, 18 Jun 2005, Ron Davis wrote:
>>
>> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
>> >
>> > I've never found the part that says you need a new Airworthiness
> Cert when
>> > the plane is sold. Can you reference an FAR? Do you get a new one
> on a
>> > spam can when it's sold or does the new owner use the old cert?
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Luke Sollitt
>> Space Radiation Lab
>> 219 Downs, 220-47 Caltech
>> Pasadena, CA 91125
>> (626) 395-6634
>>
>> "That road does not lead towards war, whose gate lies open to the
> stars"
>>
>> -- Alcuin
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: operation and limitations for Yak 52 |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
I'm just going by what my experience has been with buying my jet, then
having to move home base twice. Additionally I DIDNT have to get a new
AW cert for my CJ because the homebase DIDNT change.
Ernie
On 6/20/05, Roger Doc Kemp <viperdoc@mindspring.com> wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>
> Are you in the experimental show catagory or do you have an unlimited A/W
> cert? Otherwise you were supposed to notify the FSDO of your moves with the
> Aircraft. I am certainly not an expert on this issue in that I have owned
> only on foreign national aircraft (a YAK-52). Maybe you are in the lucky
> few catagory that got the unlimited A/W cert's before the feds woke up an
> started feeling intimidated by the Russian A/C proliferation. Maybe they
> look at your SU-29 with rose colored glasses in a different light, I do not
> know what lurks in the mind of a FAA FED or why they say or do onething one
> day and turn around the next day only to change.
> Doc
> YAK-52 N552SH
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Richard Basiliere <BasiliereR@ci.boulder.co.us>
> > To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> > Date: 6/20/2005 2:28:07 PM
> > Subject: Re: Yak-List: operation and limitations for Yak 52
> >
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Richard Basiliere"
> <BasiliereR@ci.boulder.co.us>
> >
> > For a fact: my SU-29 sn73-05 has the same op limits it was born with.
> > Airworthiness cert is original even though the a/c has moved homes 4
> > times - FL-LA-CO (FTG)-CO (2V2).
> >
> > There is no provision for the Fed to see/smell/feel/ or stamp anything
> > re: my plane in the ops limits.
> >
> > respectfully, Rick
> >
> > >>> erniel29@gmail.com 6/18/2005 10:38:34 AM >>>
> >
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
> >
> > Whenever the plane is sold OR the homebase is changed a NEW cert must
> > be issued. The homebase and the OWNERS name is clearly written in the
> > ops limitations. In order to get the cert, the ops limits must be
> > given to the FSDO they then stamp the date and the FSDO on the
> > certificate, this is what makes it official. The FSDO guy will ask for
> > your AW cert and issue you a new one with an issue date which is on
> > the FSDO stamp. In the case of jets, a maintenance program must also
> > be submitted with a cover letter showing the home base and the
> > mechanic authorized to do the work.
> >
> > On 6/18/05, Luke Sollitt <sollitt@srl.caltech.edu> wrote:
> > > --> Yak-List message posted by: Luke Sollitt
> > <sollitt@srl.caltech.edu>
> > >
> > > I think the airworthiness certificate is for the plane, not the
> > owner. It
> > > never expires except by lack of compliance with an AD or lack of
> > annual
> > > (or in our case, condition inspection). Only the registration
> > transfers.
> > >
> > > Luke
> > >
> > > On Sat, 18 Jun 2005, Ron Davis wrote:
> > >
> > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
> > > >
> > > > I've never found the part that says you need a new Airworthiness
> > Cert when
> > > > the plane is sold. Can you reference an FAR? Do you get a new one
> > on a
> > > > spam can when it's sold or does the new owner use the old cert?
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > Luke Sollitt
> > > Space Radiation Lab
> > > 219 Downs, 220-47 Caltech
> > > Pasadena, CA 91125
> > > (626) 395-6634
> > >
> > > "That road does not lead towards war, whose gate lies open to the
> > stars"
> > >
> > > -- Alcuin
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: operation and limitations for Yak 52 |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
Doc,
That is not quite accurate. Unless his Ops Limits are like mine, which
unfortunately has the home base airport within the document (not like yours
which has the Operational Program Letter), the only thing he has to do is
sign the certification which I mentioned in my previous post when the
aircraft is moved. If that is considered the notification you refer to,
then OK, it is notifying the local FSDO. In my case with my particular
airplane, if I were to move it to another airport (let's say Prattville),
the FSDO would have to issue a new airworthiness certificate and a whole new
set of operating limitations. If you were to move your airplane to
Prattville, the only thing you would have to do is sign a new Operational
Program Letter and mail it in to the FSDO along with a copy of the Ops
Limits. Yours is a piece of cake. Mine is a real pain.
If you are referring to the pre-moratorium aircraft which have no operating
limitations (issued prior to July of 1993), then the aircraft can be
operated just like any other general aviation airplane.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: operation and limitations for Yak 52
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>
> Are you in the experimental show catagory or do you have an unlimited A/W
> cert? Otherwise you were supposed to notify the FSDO of your moves with
> the
> Aircraft. I am certainly not an expert on this issue in that I have owned
> only on foreign national aircraft (a YAK-52). Maybe you are in the lucky
> few catagory that got the unlimited A/W cert's before the feds woke up an
> started feeling intimidated by the Russian A/C proliferation. Maybe they
> look at your SU-29 with rose colored glasses in a different light, I do
> not
> know what lurks in the mind of a FAA FED or why they say or do onething
> one
> day and turn around the next day only to change.
> Doc
> YAK-52 N552SH
>
>
>> [Original Message]
>> From: Richard Basiliere <BasiliereR@ci.boulder.co.us>
>> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
>> Date: 6/20/2005 2:28:07 PM
>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: operation and limitations for Yak 52
>>
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Richard Basiliere"
> <BasiliereR@ci.boulder.co.us>
>>
>> For a fact: my SU-29 sn73-05 has the same op limits it was born with.
>> Airworthiness cert is original even though the a/c has moved homes 4
>> times - FL-LA-CO (FTG)-CO (2V2).
>>
>> There is no provision for the Fed to see/smell/feel/ or stamp anything
>> re: my plane in the ops limits.
>>
>> respectfully, Rick
>>
>> >>> erniel29@gmail.com 6/18/2005 10:38:34 AM >>>
>>
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
>>
>> Whenever the plane is sold OR the homebase is changed a NEW cert must
>> be issued. The homebase and the OWNERS name is clearly written in the
>> ops limitations. In order to get the cert, the ops limits must be
>> given to the FSDO they then stamp the date and the FSDO on the
>> certificate, this is what makes it official. The FSDO guy will ask for
>> your AW cert and issue you a new one with an issue date which is on
>> the FSDO stamp. In the case of jets, a maintenance program must also
>> be submitted with a cover letter showing the home base and the
>> mechanic authorized to do the work.
>>
>> On 6/18/05, Luke Sollitt <sollitt@srl.caltech.edu> wrote:
>> > --> Yak-List message posted by: Luke Sollitt
>> <sollitt@srl.caltech.edu>
>> >
>> > I think the airworthiness certificate is for the plane, not the
>> owner. It
>> > never expires except by lack of compliance with an AD or lack of
>> annual
>> > (or in our case, condition inspection). Only the registration
>> transfers.
>> >
>> > Luke
>> >
>> > On Sat, 18 Jun 2005, Ron Davis wrote:
>> >
>> > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
>> > >
>> > > I've never found the part that says you need a new Airworthiness
>> Cert when
>> > > the plane is sold. Can you reference an FAR? Do you get a new one
>> on a
>> > > spam can when it's sold or does the new owner use the old cert?
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> > Luke Sollitt
>> > Space Radiation Lab
>> > 219 Downs, 220-47 Caltech
>> > Pasadena, CA 91125
>> > (626) 395-6634
>> >
>> > "That road does not lead towards war, whose gate lies open to the
>> stars"
>> >
>> > -- Alcuin
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Jay Land <jland@popeandland.com>
I had a note from Sergei that he is planning on being at OSH/MTW this year
if we have enough interest.
Harry have you thought about it any more?
Thanks,
Jay
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| Subject: | Re: operation and limitations for Yak 52 |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
That's precisely why you didn't have to get a new Airworthiness Certificate
and Ops Limits; because the home base airport did not change. The AC and OL
are for the aircraft, not the owner.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ernest Martinez" <erniel29@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: operation and limitations for Yak 52
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
>
> I'm just going by what my experience has been with buying my jet, then
> having to move home base twice. Additionally I DIDNT have to get a new
> AW cert for my CJ because the homebase DIDNT change.
>
> Ernie
>
> On 6/20/05, Roger Doc Kemp <viperdoc@mindspring.com> wrote:
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp"
>> <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>>
>> Are you in the experimental show catagory or do you have an unlimited A/W
>> cert? Otherwise you were supposed to notify the FSDO of your moves with
>> the
>> Aircraft. I am certainly not an expert on this issue in that I have owned
>> only on foreign national aircraft (a YAK-52). Maybe you are in the lucky
>> few catagory that got the unlimited A/W cert's before the feds woke up an
>> started feeling intimidated by the Russian A/C proliferation. Maybe they
>> look at your SU-29 with rose colored glasses in a different light, I do
>> not
>> know what lurks in the mind of a FAA FED or why they say or do onething
>> one
>> day and turn around the next day only to change.
>> Doc
>> YAK-52 N552SH
>>
>>
>> > [Original Message]
>> > From: Richard Basiliere <BasiliereR@ci.boulder.co.us>
>> > To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
>> > Date: 6/20/2005 2:28:07 PM
>> > Subject: Re: Yak-List: operation and limitations for Yak 52
>> >
>> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Richard Basiliere"
>> <BasiliereR@ci.boulder.co.us>
>> >
>> > For a fact: my SU-29 sn73-05 has the same op limits it was born with.
>> > Airworthiness cert is original even though the a/c has moved homes 4
>> > times - FL-LA-CO (FTG)-CO (2V2).
>> >
>> > There is no provision for the Fed to see/smell/feel/ or stamp anything
>> > re: my plane in the ops limits.
>> >
>> > respectfully, Rick
>> >
>> > >>> erniel29@gmail.com 6/18/2005 10:38:34 AM >>>
>> >
>> > --> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
>> >
>> > Whenever the plane is sold OR the homebase is changed a NEW cert must
>> > be issued. The homebase and the OWNERS name is clearly written in the
>> > ops limitations. In order to get the cert, the ops limits must be
>> > given to the FSDO they then stamp the date and the FSDO on the
>> > certificate, this is what makes it official. The FSDO guy will ask for
>> > your AW cert and issue you a new one with an issue date which is on
>> > the FSDO stamp. In the case of jets, a maintenance program must also
>> > be submitted with a cover letter showing the home base and the
>> > mechanic authorized to do the work.
>> >
>> > On 6/18/05, Luke Sollitt <sollitt@srl.caltech.edu> wrote:
>> > > --> Yak-List message posted by: Luke Sollitt
>> > <sollitt@srl.caltech.edu>
>> > >
>> > > I think the airworthiness certificate is for the plane, not the
>> > owner. It
>> > > never expires except by lack of compliance with an AD or lack of
>> > annual
>> > > (or in our case, condition inspection). Only the registration
>> > transfers.
>> > >
>> > > Luke
>> > >
>> > > On Sat, 18 Jun 2005, Ron Davis wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
>> > > >
>> > > > I've never found the part that says you need a new Airworthiness
>> > Cert when
>> > > > the plane is sold. Can you reference an FAR? Do you get a new one
>> > on a
>> > > > spam can when it's sold or does the new owner use the old cert?
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > Luke Sollitt
>> > > Space Radiation Lab
>> > > 219 Downs, 220-47 Caltech
>> > > Pasadena, CA 91125
>> > > (626) 395-6634
>> > >
>> > > "That road does not lead towards war, whose gate lies open to the
>> > stars"
>> > >
>> > > -- Alcuin
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: operation and limitations for Yak 52 |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
I was referring to your type of operation limits and also pre-moritorium.
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 6/20/2005 4:28:32 PM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: operation and limitations for Yak 52
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese"
<dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
>
> Doc,
> That is not quite accurate. Unless his Ops Limits are like mine, which
> unfortunately has the home base airport within the document (not like
yours
> which has the Operational Program Letter), the only thing he has to do is
> sign the certification which I mentioned in my previous post when the
> aircraft is moved. If that is considered the notification you refer to,
> then OK, it is notifying the local FSDO. In my case with my particular
> airplane, if I were to move it to another airport (let's say Prattville),
> the FSDO would have to issue a new airworthiness certificate and a whole
new
> set of operating limitations. If you were to move your airplane to
> Prattville, the only thing you would have to do is sign a new Operational
> Program Letter and mail it in to the FSDO along with a copy of the Ops
> Limits. Yours is a piece of cake. Mine is a real pain.
>
> If you are referring to the pre-moratorium aircraft which have no
operating
> limitations (issued prior to July of 1993), then the aircraft can be
> operated just like any other general aviation airplane.
> Dennis
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: operation and limitations for Yak 52
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp"
<viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> >
> > Are you in the experimental show catagory or do you have an unlimited
A/W
> > cert? Otherwise you were supposed to notify the FSDO of your moves with
> > the
> > Aircraft. I am certainly not an expert on this issue in that I have
owned
> > only on foreign national aircraft (a YAK-52). Maybe you are in the lucky
> > few catagory that got the unlimited A/W cert's before the feds woke up
an
> > started feeling intimidated by the Russian A/C proliferation. Maybe they
> > look at your SU-29 with rose colored glasses in a different light, I do
> > not
> > know what lurks in the mind of a FAA FED or why they say or do onething
> > one
> > day and turn around the next day only to change.
> > Doc
> > YAK-52 N552SH
> >
> >
> >> [Original Message]
> >> From: Richard Basiliere <BasiliereR@ci.boulder.co.us>
> >> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> >> Date: 6/20/2005 2:28:07 PM
> >> Subject: Re: Yak-List: operation and limitations for Yak 52
> >>
> >> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Richard Basiliere"
> > <BasiliereR@ci.boulder.co.us>
> >>
> >> For a fact: my SU-29 sn73-05 has the same op limits it was born with.
> >> Airworthiness cert is original even though the a/c has moved homes 4
> >> times - FL-LA-CO (FTG)-CO (2V2).
> >>
> >> There is no provision for the Fed to see/smell/feel/ or stamp anything
> >> re: my plane in the ops limits.
> >>
> >> respectfully, Rick
> >>
> >> >>> erniel29@gmail.com 6/18/2005 10:38:34 AM >>>
> >>
> >> --> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
> >>
> >> Whenever the plane is sold OR the homebase is changed a NEW cert must
> >> be issued. The homebase and the OWNERS name is clearly written in the
> >> ops limitations. In order to get the cert, the ops limits must be
> >> given to the FSDO they then stamp the date and the FSDO on the
> >> certificate, this is what makes it official. The FSDO guy will ask for
> >> your AW cert and issue you a new one with an issue date which is on
> >> the FSDO stamp. In the case of jets, a maintenance program must also
> >> be submitted with a cover letter showing the home base and the
> >> mechanic authorized to do the work.
> >>
> >> On 6/18/05, Luke Sollitt <sollitt@srl.caltech.edu> wrote:
> >> > --> Yak-List message posted by: Luke Sollitt
> >> <sollitt@srl.caltech.edu>
> >> >
> >> > I think the airworthiness certificate is for the plane, not the
> >> owner. It
> >> > never expires except by lack of compliance with an AD or lack of
> >> annual
> >> > (or in our case, condition inspection). Only the registration
> >> transfers.
> >> >
> >> > Luke
> >> >
> >> > On Sat, 18 Jun 2005, Ron Davis wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
> >> > >
> >> > > I've never found the part that says you need a new Airworthiness
> >> Cert when
> >> > > the plane is sold. Can you reference an FAR? Do you get a new one
> >> on a
> >> > > spam can when it's sold or does the new owner use the old cert?
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> > Luke Sollitt
> >> > Space Radiation Lab
> >> > 219 Downs, 220-47 Caltech
> >> > Pasadena, CA 91125
> >> > (626) 395-6634
> >> >
> >> > "That road does not lead towards war, whose gate lies open to the
> >> stars"
> >> >
> >> > -- Alcuin
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: operation and limitations for Yak 52 |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Richard Basiliere" <BasiliereR@ci.boulder.co.us>
Respectfully;
Mine has operating limitations (5-6 pages, have to show them to be
"teched" prior to competition) attached to the airworthiness cert and is
pre-moratorium. Stuff about no overflights of densely populated areas,
no IFR, no night flight, stuff like that. Limitations were in place (in
the very beginning) prior to doing all the aerobatic figures then when
signed off in the logs I can do all the tumbles/tailslides etc but they
needed to be demo'd first.
Rick
>>> dsavarese@elmore.rr.com 6/20/2005 3:28:05 PM >>>
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese"
<dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
Doc,
That is not quite accurate. Unless his Ops Limits are like mine, which
unfortunately has the home base airport within the document (not like
yours
which has the Operational Program Letter), the only thing he has to do
is
sign the certification which I mentioned in my previous post when the
aircraft is moved. If that is considered the notification you refer
to,
then OK, it is notifying the local FSDO. In my case with my particular
airplane, if I were to move it to another airport (let's say
Prattville),
the FSDO would have to issue a new airworthiness certificate and a
whole new
set of operating limitations. If you were to move your airplane to
Prattville, the only thing you would have to do is sign a new
Operational
Program Letter and mail it in to the FSDO along with a copy of the Ops
Limits. Yours is a piece of cake. Mine is a real pain.
If you are referring to the pre-moratorium aircraft which have no
operating
limitations (issued prior to July of 1993), then the aircraft can be
operated just like any other general aviation airplane.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: operation and limitations for Yak 52
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp"
<viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>
> Are you in the experimental show catagory or do you have an unlimited
A/W
> cert? Otherwise you were supposed to notify the FSDO of your moves
with
> the
> Aircraft. I am certainly not an expert on this issue in that I have
owned
> only on foreign national aircraft (a YAK-52). Maybe you are in the
lucky
> few catagory that got the unlimited A/W cert's before the feds woke
up an
> started feeling intimidated by the Russian A/C proliferation. Maybe
they
> look at your SU-29 with rose colored glasses in a different light, I
do
> not
> know what lurks in the mind of a FAA FED or why they say or do
onething
> one
> day and turn around the next day only to change.
> Doc
> YAK-52 N552SH
>
>
>> [Original Message]
>> From: Richard Basiliere <BasiliereR@ci.boulder.co.us>
>> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
>> Date: 6/20/2005 2:28:07 PM
>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: operation and limitations for Yak 52
>>
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Richard Basiliere"
> <BasiliereR@ci.boulder.co.us>
>>
>> For a fact: my SU-29 sn73-05 has the same op limits it was born
with.
>> Airworthiness cert is original even though the a/c has moved homes
4
>> times - FL-LA-CO (FTG)-CO (2V2).
>>
>> There is no provision for the Fed to see/smell/feel/ or stamp
anything
>> re: my plane in the ops limits.
>>
>> respectfully, Rick
>>
>> >>> erniel29@gmail.com 6/18/2005 10:38:34 AM >>>
>>
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez
<erniel29@gmail.com>
>>
>> Whenever the plane is sold OR the homebase is changed a NEW cert
must
>> be issued. The homebase and the OWNERS name is clearly written in
the
>> ops limitations. In order to get the cert, the ops limits must be
>> given to the FSDO they then stamp the date and the FSDO on the
>> certificate, this is what makes it official. The FSDO guy will ask
for
>> your AW cert and issue you a new one with an issue date which is on
>> the FSDO stamp. In the case of jets, a maintenance program must
also
>> be submitted with a cover letter showing the home base and the
>> mechanic authorized to do the work.
>>
>> On 6/18/05, Luke Sollitt <sollitt@srl.caltech.edu> wrote:
>> > --> Yak-List message posted by: Luke Sollitt
>> <sollitt@srl.caltech.edu>
>> >
>> > I think the airworthiness certificate is for the plane, not the
>> owner. It
>> > never expires except by lack of compliance with an AD or lack of
>> annual
>> > (or in our case, condition inspection). Only the registration
>> transfers.
>> >
>> > Luke
>> >
>> > On Sat, 18 Jun 2005, Ron Davis wrote:
>> >
>> > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis"
<l39parts@hotmail.com>
>> > >
>> > > I've never found the part that says you need a new
Airworthiness
>> Cert when
>> > > the plane is sold. Can you reference an FAR? Do you get a new
one
>> on a
>> > > spam can when it's sold or does the new owner use the old cert?
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> > Luke Sollitt
>> > Space Radiation Lab
>> > 219 Downs, 220-47 Caltech
>> > Pasadena, CA 91125
>> > (626) 395-6634
>> >
>> > "That road does not lead towards war, whose gate lies open to the
>> stars"
>> >
>> > -- Alcuin
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
Ah ha! A premoratorium airplane. That is what makes the difference. So I
respectfully retract any reference to current practices used in the writing
of the OL's. You're blessed to have that.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Basiliere" <BasiliereR@ci.boulder.co.us>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: operation and limitations for Yak 52
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Richard Basiliere"
> <BasiliereR@ci.boulder.co.us>
>
> Respectfully;
> Mine has operating limitations (5-6 pages, have to show them to be
> "teched" prior to competition) attached to the airworthiness cert and is
> pre-moratorium. Stuff about no overflights of densely populated areas,
> no IFR, no night flight, stuff like that. Limitations were in place (in
> the very beginning) prior to doing all the aerobatic figures then when
> signed off in the logs I can do all the tumbles/tailslides etc but they
> needed to be demo'd first.
> Rick
>
>
>>>> dsavarese@elmore.rr.com 6/20/2005 3:28:05 PM >>>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese"
> <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
>
> Doc,
> That is not quite accurate. Unless his Ops Limits are like mine, which
>
> unfortunately has the home base airport within the document (not like
> yours
> which has the Operational Program Letter), the only thing he has to do
> is
> sign the certification which I mentioned in my previous post when the
> aircraft is moved. If that is considered the notification you refer
> to,
> then OK, it is notifying the local FSDO. In my case with my particular
>
> airplane, if I were to move it to another airport (let's say
> Prattville),
> the FSDO would have to issue a new airworthiness certificate and a
> whole new
> set of operating limitations. If you were to move your airplane to
> Prattville, the only thing you would have to do is sign a new
> Operational
> Program Letter and mail it in to the FSDO along with a copy of the Ops
>
> Limits. Yours is a piece of cake. Mine is a real pain.
>
> If you are referring to the pre-moratorium aircraft which have no
> operating
> limitations (issued prior to July of 1993), then the aircraft can be
> operated just like any other general aviation airplane.
> Dennis
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: operation and limitations for Yak 52
>
>
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp"
> <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>>
>> Are you in the experimental show catagory or do you have an unlimited
> A/W
>> cert? Otherwise you were supposed to notify the FSDO of your moves
> with
>> the
>> Aircraft. I am certainly not an expert on this issue in that I have
> owned
>> only on foreign national aircraft (a YAK-52). Maybe you are in the
> lucky
>> few catagory that got the unlimited A/W cert's before the feds woke
> up an
>> started feeling intimidated by the Russian A/C proliferation. Maybe
> they
>> look at your SU-29 with rose colored glasses in a different light, I
> do
>> not
>> know what lurks in the mind of a FAA FED or why they say or do
> onething
>> one
>> day and turn around the next day only to change.
>> Doc
>> YAK-52 N552SH
>>
>>
>>> [Original Message]
>>> From: Richard Basiliere <BasiliereR@ci.boulder.co.us>
>>> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
>>> Date: 6/20/2005 2:28:07 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: operation and limitations for Yak 52
>>>
>>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Richard Basiliere"
>> <BasiliereR@ci.boulder.co.us>
>>>
>>> For a fact: my SU-29 sn73-05 has the same op limits it was born
> with.
>>> Airworthiness cert is original even though the a/c has moved homes
> 4
>>> times - FL-LA-CO (FTG)-CO (2V2).
>>>
>>> There is no provision for the Fed to see/smell/feel/ or stamp
> anything
>>> re: my plane in the ops limits.
>>>
>>> respectfully, Rick
>>>
>>> >>> erniel29@gmail.com 6/18/2005 10:38:34 AM >>>
>>>
>>> --> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez
> <erniel29@gmail.com>
>>>
>>> Whenever the plane is sold OR the homebase is changed a NEW cert
> must
>>> be issued. The homebase and the OWNERS name is clearly written in
> the
>>> ops limitations. In order to get the cert, the ops limits must be
>>> given to the FSDO they then stamp the date and the FSDO on the
>>> certificate, this is what makes it official. The FSDO guy will ask
> for
>>> your AW cert and issue you a new one with an issue date which is on
>>> the FSDO stamp. In the case of jets, a maintenance program must
> also
>>> be submitted with a cover letter showing the home base and the
>>> mechanic authorized to do the work.
>>>
>>> On 6/18/05, Luke Sollitt <sollitt@srl.caltech.edu> wrote:
>>> > --> Yak-List message posted by: Luke Sollitt
>>> <sollitt@srl.caltech.edu>
>>> >
>>> > I think the airworthiness certificate is for the plane, not the
>>> owner. It
>>> > never expires except by lack of compliance with an AD or lack of
>>> annual
>>> > (or in our case, condition inspection). Only the registration
>>> transfers.
>>> >
>>> > Luke
>>> >
>>> > On Sat, 18 Jun 2005, Ron Davis wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis"
> <l39parts@hotmail.com>
>>> > >
>>> > > I've never found the part that says you need a new
> Airworthiness
>>> Cert when
>>> > > the plane is sold. Can you reference an FAR? Do you get a new
> one
>>> on a
>>> > > spam can when it's sold or does the new owner use the old cert?
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> >
>>> > Luke Sollitt
>>> > Space Radiation Lab
>>> > 219 Downs, 220-47 Caltech
>>> > Pasadena, CA 91125
>>> > (626) 395-6634
>>> >
>>> > "That road does not lead towards war, whose gate lies open to the
>>> stars"
>>> >
>>> > -- Alcuin
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: operation and limitations for Yak 52 |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
Quite frankly, mine suck. Yours is the way to go. But when mine was
issued, no one ever thought about doing it the way I did it for your
airplane.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: operation and limitations for Yak 52
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>
> I was referring to your type of operation limits and also pre-moritorium.
> Doc
>
>
>> [Original Message]
>> From: A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
>> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
>> Date: 6/20/2005 4:28:32 PM
>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: operation and limitations for Yak 52
>>
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese"
> <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
>>
>> Doc,
>> That is not quite accurate. Unless his Ops Limits are like mine, which
>> unfortunately has the home base airport within the document (not like
> yours
>> which has the Operational Program Letter), the only thing he has to do is
>> sign the certification which I mentioned in my previous post when the
>> aircraft is moved. If that is considered the notification you refer to,
>> then OK, it is notifying the local FSDO. In my case with my particular
>> airplane, if I were to move it to another airport (let's say Prattville),
>> the FSDO would have to issue a new airworthiness certificate and a whole
> new
>> set of operating limitations. If you were to move your airplane to
>> Prattville, the only thing you would have to do is sign a new Operational
>> Program Letter and mail it in to the FSDO along with a copy of the Ops
>> Limits. Yours is a piece of cake. Mine is a real pain.
>>
>> If you are referring to the pre-moratorium aircraft which have no
> operating
>> limitations (issued prior to July of 1993), then the aircraft can be
>> operated just like any other general aviation airplane.
>> Dennis
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: operation and limitations for Yak 52
>>
>>
>> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp"
> <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>> >
>> > Are you in the experimental show catagory or do you have an unlimited
> A/W
>> > cert? Otherwise you were supposed to notify the FSDO of your moves with
>> > the
>> > Aircraft. I am certainly not an expert on this issue in that I have
> owned
>> > only on foreign national aircraft (a YAK-52). Maybe you are in the
>> > lucky
>> > few catagory that got the unlimited A/W cert's before the feds woke up
> an
>> > started feeling intimidated by the Russian A/C proliferation. Maybe
>> > they
>> > look at your SU-29 with rose colored glasses in a different light, I do
>> > not
>> > know what lurks in the mind of a FAA FED or why they say or do onething
>> > one
>> > day and turn around the next day only to change.
>> > Doc
>> > YAK-52 N552SH
>> >
>> >
>> >> [Original Message]
>> >> From: Richard Basiliere <BasiliereR@ci.boulder.co.us>
>> >> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
>> >> Date: 6/20/2005 2:28:07 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: Yak-List: operation and limitations for Yak 52
>> >>
>> >> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Richard Basiliere"
>> > <BasiliereR@ci.boulder.co.us>
>> >>
>> >> For a fact: my SU-29 sn73-05 has the same op limits it was born with.
>> >> Airworthiness cert is original even though the a/c has moved homes 4
>> >> times - FL-LA-CO (FTG)-CO (2V2).
>> >>
>> >> There is no provision for the Fed to see/smell/feel/ or stamp anything
>> >> re: my plane in the ops limits.
>> >>
>> >> respectfully, Rick
>> >>
>> >> >>> erniel29@gmail.com 6/18/2005 10:38:34 AM >>>
>> >>
>> >> --> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
>> >>
>> >> Whenever the plane is sold OR the homebase is changed a NEW cert must
>> >> be issued. The homebase and the OWNERS name is clearly written in the
>> >> ops limitations. In order to get the cert, the ops limits must be
>> >> given to the FSDO they then stamp the date and the FSDO on the
>> >> certificate, this is what makes it official. The FSDO guy will ask for
>> >> your AW cert and issue you a new one with an issue date which is on
>> >> the FSDO stamp. In the case of jets, a maintenance program must also
>> >> be submitted with a cover letter showing the home base and the
>> >> mechanic authorized to do the work.
>> >>
>> >> On 6/18/05, Luke Sollitt <sollitt@srl.caltech.edu> wrote:
>> >> > --> Yak-List message posted by: Luke Sollitt
>> >> <sollitt@srl.caltech.edu>
>> >> >
>> >> > I think the airworthiness certificate is for the plane, not the
>> >> owner. It
>> >> > never expires except by lack of compliance with an AD or lack of
>> >> annual
>> >> > (or in our case, condition inspection). Only the registration
>> >> transfers.
>> >> >
>> >> > Luke
>> >> >
>> >> > On Sat, 18 Jun 2005, Ron Davis wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
>> >> > >
>> >> > > I've never found the part that says you need a new Airworthiness
>> >> Cert when
>> >> > > the plane is sold. Can you reference an FAR? Do you get a new
>> >> > > one
>> >> on a
>> >> > > spam can when it's sold or does the new owner use the old cert?
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>> >> > Luke Sollitt
>> >> > Space Radiation Lab
>> >> > 219 Downs, 220-47 Caltech
>> >> > Pasadena, CA 91125
>> >> > (626) 395-6634
>> >> >
>> >> > "That road does not lead towards war, whose gate lies open to the
>> >> stars"
>> >> >
>> >> > -- Alcuin
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Richard,
You are a truely blessed man. A pre-moritorium bird.The best of all worlds.
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: Richard Basiliere <BasiliereR@ci.boulder.co.us>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 6/20/2005 5:02:07 PM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: operation and limitations for Yak 52
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Richard Basiliere"
<BasiliereR@ci.boulder.co.us>
>
> Respectfully;
> Mine has operating limitations (5-6 pages, have to show them to be
> "teched" prior to competition) attached to the airworthiness cert and is
> pre-moratorium. Stuff about no overflights of densely populated areas,
> no IFR, no night flight, stuff like that. Limitations were in place (in
> the very beginning) prior to doing all the aerobatic figures then when
> signed off in the logs I can do all the tumbles/tailslides etc but they
> needed to be demo'd first.
> Rick
>
>
> >>> dsavarese@elmore.rr.com 6/20/2005 3:28:05 PM >>>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese"
> <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
>
> Doc,
> That is not quite accurate. Unless his Ops Limits are like mine, which
>
> unfortunately has the home base airport within the document (not like
> yours
> which has the Operational Program Letter), the only thing he has to do
> is
> sign the certification which I mentioned in my previous post when the
> aircraft is moved. If that is considered the notification you refer
> to,
> then OK, it is notifying the local FSDO. In my case with my particular
>
> airplane, if I were to move it to another airport (let's say
> Prattville),
> the FSDO would have to issue a new airworthiness certificate and a
> whole new
> set of operating limitations. If you were to move your airplane to
> Prattville, the only thing you would have to do is sign a new
> Operational
> Program Letter and mail it in to the FSDO along with a copy of the Ops
>
> Limits. Yours is a piece of cake. Mine is a real pain.
>
> If you are referring to the pre-moratorium aircraft which have no
> operating
> limitations (issued prior to July of 1993), then the aircraft can be
> operated just like any other general aviation airplane.
> Dennis
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: operation and limitations for Yak 52
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp"
> <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> >
> > Are you in the experimental show catagory or do you have an unlimited
> A/W
> > cert? Otherwise you were supposed to notify the FSDO of your moves
> with
> > the
> > Aircraft. I am certainly not an expert on this issue in that I have
> owned
> > only on foreign national aircraft (a YAK-52). Maybe you are in the
> lucky
> > few catagory that got the unlimited A/W cert's before the feds woke
> up an
> > started feeling intimidated by the Russian A/C proliferation. Maybe
> they
> > look at your SU-29 with rose colored glasses in a different light, I
> do
> > not
> > know what lurks in the mind of a FAA FED or why they say or do
> onething
> > one
> > day and turn around the next day only to change.
> > Doc
> > YAK-52 N552SH
> >
> >
> >> [Original Message]
> >> From: Richard Basiliere <BasiliereR@ci.boulder.co.us>
> >> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> >> Date: 6/20/2005 2:28:07 PM
> >> Subject: Re: Yak-List: operation and limitations for Yak 52
> >>
> >> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Richard Basiliere"
> > <BasiliereR@ci.boulder.co.us>
> >>
> >> For a fact: my SU-29 sn73-05 has the same op limits it was born
> with.
> >> Airworthiness cert is original even though the a/c has moved homes
> 4
> >> times - FL-LA-CO (FTG)-CO (2V2).
> >>
> >> There is no provision for the Fed to see/smell/feel/ or stamp
> anything
> >> re: my plane in the ops limits.
> >>
> >> respectfully, Rick
> >>
> >> >>> erniel29@gmail.com 6/18/2005 10:38:34 AM >>>
> >>
> >> --> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez
> <erniel29@gmail.com>
> >>
> >> Whenever the plane is sold OR the homebase is changed a NEW cert
> must
> >> be issued. The homebase and the OWNERS name is clearly written in
> the
> >> ops limitations. In order to get the cert, the ops limits must be
> >> given to the FSDO they then stamp the date and the FSDO on the
> >> certificate, this is what makes it official. The FSDO guy will ask
> for
> >> your AW cert and issue you a new one with an issue date which is on
> >> the FSDO stamp. In the case of jets, a maintenance program must
> also
> >> be submitted with a cover letter showing the home base and the
> >> mechanic authorized to do the work.
> >>
> >> On 6/18/05, Luke Sollitt <sollitt@srl.caltech.edu> wrote:
> >> > --> Yak-List message posted by: Luke Sollitt
> >> <sollitt@srl.caltech.edu>
> >> >
> >> > I think the airworthiness certificate is for the plane, not the
> >> owner. It
> >> > never expires except by lack of compliance with an AD or lack of
> >> annual
> >> > (or in our case, condition inspection). Only the registration
> >> transfers.
> >> >
> >> > Luke
> >> >
> >> > On Sat, 18 Jun 2005, Ron Davis wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis"
> <l39parts@hotmail.com>
> >> > >
> >> > > I've never found the part that says you need a new
> Airworthiness
> >> Cert when
> >> > > the plane is sold. Can you reference an FAR? Do you get a new
> one
> >> on a
> >> > > spam can when it's sold or does the new owner use the old cert?
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> > Luke Sollitt
> >> > Space Radiation Lab
> >> > 219 Downs, 220-47 Caltech
> >> > Pasadena, CA 91125
> >> > (626) 395-6634
> >> >
> >> > "That road does not lead towards war, whose gate lies open to the
> >> stars"
> >> >
> >> > -- Alcuin
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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