---------------------------------------------------------- Yak-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 07/11/05: 36 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:10 AM - Re: Sorrow leads to contempt or hate begets hate (Kevin Pilling) 2. 03:17 AM - Re: To our British Friends (Kevin Pilling) 3. 05:39 AM - Re: To our British Friends (cjpilot710@aol.com) 4. 05:47 AM - Too all Yak owners (Tim Gagnon) 5. 05:59 AM - Re: Sergei Boriak-Acro (Charlie Lynch) 6. 06:19 AM - define "a few evil individuals" (philip dugan) 7. 06:40 AM - M5 Engine (Richard Goode) 8. 06:48 AM - Re: Sergei Boriak-Acro (Roger Doc Kemp) 9. 06:57 AM - Re: Too all Yak owners (Roger Doc Kemp) 10. 07:05 AM - Re: Sorrow leads to contempt or hate begets hate (Ernest Martinez) 11. 07:34 AM - Our British Friends (Roger Doc Kemp) 12. 07:35 AM - Re: Sorrow leads to contempt or hate begets hate (Roger Doc Kemp) 13. 07:47 AM - Re: To our British Friends (Kevin Pilling) 14. 08:20 AM - Re: Our British Friends (Kevin Pilling) 15. 10:07 AM - Subject of substance (Fraser, Gus) 16. 10:18 AM - Re: Sergei Boriak-Acro (Yakjock) 17. 10:36 AM - way too lean (Jon Boede) 18. 10:39 AM - Re: Subject of substance (Greg Young) 19. 11:45 AM - hate begets hate (Frank Haertlein) 20. 01:11 PM - Re: Way too Lean (Cpayne) 21. 01:29 PM - Re: Re: Way too Lean (Ernest Martinez) 22. 01:43 PM - Formation crash (Jay Land) 23. 02:29 PM - Re: Re: Way too Lean (Roger Doc Kemp) 24. 02:41 PM - Re: Formation crash (ByronMFox@aol.com) 25. 02:50 PM - Re: Formation crash (ByronMFox@aol.com) 26. 03:11 PM - CHECK YOUR BALLS ! (Jerome van der Schaar) 27. 03:12 PM - Re: Re: Way too Lean (Jon Boede) 28. 04:01 PM - Re: Re: Way too Lean (Frank Haertlein) 29. 04:05 PM - Re: [SPAM] - Re: Formation crash - Email found in (Jay Land) 30. 04:50 PM - Re: [SPAM] - Re: Formation crash - Email found in subject (Herb Coussons) 31. 06:41 PM - Re: CHECK YOUR BALLS ! (jeff pritchard) 32. 08:14 PM - Precautionary landing on Thurday July 7th (Aviatr@aol.com) 33. 08:39 PM - Re: Precautionary landing on Thurday July 7th (Roger Doc Kemp) 34. 08:48 PM - Re: CHECK YOUR BALLS ! (Roger Doc Kemp) 35. 08:54 PM - Re: Re: Way too Lean (Roger Doc Kemp) 36. 09:36 PM - Re: Precautionary landing on Thurday July 7th (N13472@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:10:34 AM PST US From: "Kevin Pilling" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Sorrow leads to contempt or hate begets hate --> Yak-List message posted by: "Kevin Pilling" The entire free thinking world condemns senseless acts of terrorism but we must not under any circumstances condemn entire nations and religions as a consequence of a few evil individuals, be they historic or current. Much of your posting gives oxygen the religious hatred we seek to dismantle. What you are actually promoting (preaching) is by any definition ethnic cleansing. I seek no part of it. kp ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Haertlein" Subject: Yak-List: Sorrow leads to contempt or hate begets hate > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" > > > Earnie > > With all due respect to our British friends, the islamic, religious > attacks will continue. > > As the past 1600 years proves, islam will forever breed murdering > zealots (notice the lack of proper capitalization....islam does not even > deserve that small measure of respect). > > The British, as well as the US, would be better served by banishing this > religion (and it's practitioners) from our shores forever. > > I'm all for tolerance and acceptance but I draw the line at giving the > rights of freedom to a murderous religion like islam. I don't want them > here and if given my way would ship them all back to the wastelands of > the middle east. > > As long as they are in Britain and as long as they are in the US you > will see them commit heinous acts of slaughter against men, women and > children. Islam does not belong in a free society. The sooner we realize > that the sooner our freedoms can be restored. > > Our misguided political correctness will be our undoing. The politically > correct viewpoint of protecting islamic religious rights will cause the > deaths of thousands, possibly millions, at the hands of islamic > terrorists. We need to wake up and rid them from our society before that > happens. These people don't deserve freedom. > > Rest assured the current situation will get worse. We need to round them > up and banish them back to where they came from....a wasteland of heat > and sand. ......God's fitting gift to murderers in league with evil. > > They would still be nomadic goat fuker$ if not for the west. > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:17:31 AM PST US From: "Kevin Pilling" Subject: Re: Yak-List: To our British Friends --> Yak-List message posted by: "Kevin Pilling" Whilst I fully respect any individuals entitlement to his/her own beliefs, by making statements such as,,,, ,I quote, "...we are in the right and God is on our side" you infer that there shall be only one god....that is the one you believe in and thus you add fuel to the religious hatred fire. Realise, its only evil individuals motivated by who knows what that are so spiritually twisted as to broadcast death in the name of a god, namely their chosen god. I am a non believer, an atheist, a humanist . My own personal beliefs are very well defined between right and wrong, good and evil. I need no Church, Temple, Mosque, Priest, Preacher, Mullah or Ayatollah nor even ancient written text to guide me. If my beliefs are wrong in the eyes of others then so be it. I will never for what ever reason condemn them collectively or as individuals for their chosen religion. I do however, and will vehemently condemn any act of terrorism in the name of any cause. kp ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Yak-List: To our British Friends > --> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com > > > In a message dated 7/8/2005 11:18:58 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > gus.fraser@gs.com writes: > > Today that part in me of my English ancestors, is sad. To our brother > and > sisters 'over there' please know we hurt too. > > I, and I know others, know we have faced the likes of these before. The > Japs beheaded our men and tried the suicide bit too. The Nazis did their > best > during Blitz and with places like Dachau. They paid dearly for those > actions. > And so will those Moslems extremist. Not out of an act passion but of > resolve that we are in the right and that God IS ON OUR SIDE. > > Jim "Pappy" Goolsby > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:39:15 AM PST US From: cjpilot710@aol.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: To our British Friends --> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com In a message dated 7/11/2005 6:18:27 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pilling.k@btconnect.com writes: KP, If you are going to quote me, use the whole statement and not words out context that fit your diatribe. I wrote " And so will those Moslems extremist. Not out of passion but of resolve that we are in the right and that God IS ON OUR SIDE." Did I condemn the entire Moslem religion? No, just the extremist. There is a difference you know. Did I suggest we crusade with sword wheeling passion kill all Moslems? No. "Not out of passion-" I think covers that. Did I suggest that only western, Christian ethics are correct? No. ' resolve that WE ( the word "we" usually mean everyone who is not them, in this case anyone who isn't an extremist) are in the right-' Did I suggest that only our perception of right and wrong are correct? Yes. What other answer do you expect about atrocities like that? Please just for a few seconds, pretend you do believe in God. Humor me. Now IF you believed in God, do you think that He would approve of atrocities like this in His name? Don't you think reasonably He might be a little pissed off at them (Moslem EXTREMIST) and on our side? I don't give a rat ass about your "beliefs" as an atheist. The very word means you have none. Atheist have lived off the moral precepts of religions since the dawn of man. It has nothing to call its own, just stuff its picked over. Jim "Pappy" Goolsby Sorry Troops, I promise to keep this off List from now on. --> Yak-List message posted by: "Kevin Pilling" Whilst I fully respect any individuals entitlement to his/her own beliefs, by making statements such as,,,, ,I quote, "...we are in the right and God is on our side" you infer that there shall be only one god....that is the one you believe in and thus you add fuel to the religious hatred fire. Realise, its only evil individuals motivated by who knows what that are so spiritually twisted as to broadcast death in the name of a god, namely their chosen god. I am a non believer, an atheist, a humanist . My own personal beliefs are very well defined between right and wrong, good and evil. I need no Church, Temple, Mosque, Priest, Preacher, Mullah or Ayatollah nor even ancient written text to guide me. If my beliefs are wrong in the eyes of others then so be it. I will never for what ever reason condemn them collectively or as individuals for their chosen religion. I do however, and will vehemently condemn any act of terrorism in the name of any cause. kp ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Yak-List: To our British Friends > --> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com > > > In a message dated 7/8/2005 11:18:58 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > gus.fraser@gs.com writes: > > Today that part in me of my English ancestors, is sad. To our brother > and > sisters 'over there' please know we hurt too. > > I, and I know others, know we have faced the likes of these before. The > Japs beheaded our men and tried the suicide bit too. The Nazis did their > best > during Blitz and with places like Dachau. They paid dearly for those > actions. > And so will those Moslems extremist. Not out of an act passion but of > resolve that we are in the right and that God IS ON OUR SIDE. > > Jim "Pappy" Goolsby > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:47:26 AM PST US From: "Tim Gagnon" Subject: Yak-List: Too all Yak owners --> Yak-List message posted by: "Tim Gagnon" Folks, I am putting together sort of a clearing house (website) of information on all things Yak. So, if you have documents, manuals, histories, photos..send them on. If it has to do with the Yakovlev 50/52, I will gladly accept it. Please be sure these are in the electronic format and "copywrite" free as these will be available to the masses. The site will be for education and the sharing of knowledge and will also a forum covering the same. The other series of Yaks will be covered in the future so if you want to send along something concering those, that would be great too! The CJ-6 and the Jets are also forthcoming. Regards, Tim Also, if you want to send some photos of your airplane and its history, I will post those too!! ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:59:29 AM PST US Subject: Re: Yak-List: Sergei Boriak-Acro From: "Charlie Lynch" --> Yak-List message posted by: "Charlie Lynch" I flew with Sergei at OSH and he is worth every dollar and some more. For you CJ drivers out there who do spins where the plane stops rotating when you let go of the controls, you need to have him show you a real spin. I have heard lots of experienced CJ drivers tell me that a CJ will not get into a fully developed spin. Not true. Fly with Sergei and you will quickly appreciate that there is lots more you can learn. He is a great guy and will do as much or as little as you want. Charlie (203) 637 - 2914 ********** This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail and delete the message. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:19:59 AM PST US From: "philip dugan" Subject: Yak-List: define "a few evil individuals" --> Yak-List message posted by: "philip dugan" Note the world wide muslim response to the daily sensless destruction and murder. Note the help in funds and man power each muslim country is contributing to defeat terror. Follow daily muslim news and see how their media treats "a few evil individuals". I fear a backlash slowly developing in the free world, if the muslim world cannot correct the educational/religous factors spauning "a few evil individuals" they may need some assistance in these matters. >From: "Kevin Pilling" >Reply-To: yak-list@matronics.com >To: >Subject: Re: Yak-List: Sorrow leads to contempt or hate begets hate >Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 11:09:30 +0100 > >--> Yak-List message posted by: "Kevin Pilling" > >The entire free thinking world condemns senseless acts of terrorism but >we must not under any circumstances condemn entire nations and religions >as a consequence of a few evil individuals, be they historic or current. > >Much of your posting gives oxygen the religious hatred we seek to >dismantle. >What you >are actually promoting (preaching) is by any definition ethnic cleansing. I >seek no part of it. > >kp >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Frank Haertlein" >To: >Subject: Yak-List: Sorrow leads to contempt or hate begets hate > > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" > > > > > > Earnie > > > > With all due respect to our British friends, the islamic, religious > > attacks will continue. > > > > As the past 1600 years proves, islam will forever breed murdering > > zealots (notice the lack of proper capitalization....islam does not even > > deserve that small measure of respect). > > > > The British, as well as the US, would be better served by banishing this > > religion (and it's practitioners) from our shores forever. > > > > I'm all for tolerance and acceptance but I draw the line at giving the > > rights of freedom to a murderous religion like islam. I don't want them > > here and if given my way would ship them all back to the wastelands of > > the middle east. > > > > As long as they are in Britain and as long as they are in the US you > > will see them commit heinous acts of slaughter against men, women and > > children. Islam does not belong in a free society. The sooner we realize > > that the sooner our freedoms can be restored. > > > > Our misguided political correctness will be our undoing. The politically > > correct viewpoint of protecting islamic religious rights will cause the > > deaths of thousands, possibly millions, at the hands of islamic > > terrorists. We need to wake up and rid them from our society before that > > happens. These people don't deserve freedom. > > > > Rest assured the current situation will get worse. We need to round them > > up and banish them back to where they came from....a wasteland of heat > > and sand. ......God's fitting gift to murderers in league with evil. > > > > They would still be nomadic goat fuker$ if not for the west. > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:40:22 AM PST US From: "Richard Goode" Subject: Yak-List: M5 Engine --> Yak-List message posted by: "Richard Goode" Four of these engines are currently undergoing flight test procedures in Voronezh, Russia today. Power out-put is from 160-hp up to 220-hp, and weight 275lb. Engines will not be available for sale for at least six months, but if anyone would like some information please contact us off list. Richard Goode Richard Goode Aerobatics Rhodds Farm Lyonshall Herefordshire HR5 3LW United Kingdom Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120 Mob: +44 (0) 7768 610389 Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129 www.russianaeros.com dangerous content by the http://www.invictawiz.com MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:48:12 AM PST US From: "Roger Doc Kemp" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Sergei Boriak-Acro --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp" No sweat. Wish I could be at OSH to enjoy the experience but the office calls and patient care demands along with the ANG. Is life not interesting. As we age we race fast toward the box! Doc > [Original Message] > From: Daniel Fortin > To: > Date: 7/10/2005 10:45:58 PM > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Sergei Boriak-Acro > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Daniel Fortin" > > Dac, > > Sergei does not talk about his balls all the time, he is a great coach, by > far the best this guy has had the priviledge to meet. And I have yet to fly > with him. He simply has a very colourfull way of explaining his views to > his clients. Hence the golf remark... ;-) > > >From: > >Reply-To: yak-list@matronics.com > >To: yak-list@matronics.com > >Subject: Re: Yak-List: Sergei Boriak-Acro > >Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 15:47:13 -0500 > > > >--> Yak-List message posted by: > > > >No way - Sergei is a great back seater. He does not "instruct" he > >"coaches" and "critiques" > > > >You better have your 5pt tightened down though or you won't have any golf > >balls to play with. He was calm with me - all figures within 5 G's. The > >guy who flew before me - no names - came back with 7+ on his G meter, a > >sore head and a busted headset from banging the canopy on a "gentle > >lomchavok". Of course it was about his 6th flight with Sergei. But he'll > >do as much or as little as you want to do. > > > >Herb > > > > > >-----Original message----- > >From: "Roger Doc Kemp" viperdoc@mindspring.com > >Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 13:35:32 -0500 > >To: yak-list@matronics.com > >Subject: Re: Yak-List: Sergei Boriak-Acro > > > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp" > > > > > > > > What does golf have to do with acro. Does he talk about his balls the > > > entire time? > > > Doc > > > > > > > > > > [Original Message] > > > > From: Daniel Fortin > > > > To: > > > > Date: 7/10/2005 10:38:53 AM > > > > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Sergei Boriak-Acro > > > > > > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Daniel Fortin" > > > > > > > > > > I hate golfing... one of the reasons I have yet to fly with him... > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: DaBear > > > > >Reply-To: yak-list@matronics.com > > > > >To: yak-list@matronics.com > > > > >Subject: Re: Yak-List: Sergei Boriak-Acro > > > > >Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 19:59:42 -0400 > > > > > > > > > >--> Yak-List message posted by: DaBear > > > > > > > > > >Count me in for at least 2 hours with Sergei. Afterwards I'm sure > >hell > > > > >tell me to sell my airplane and take up golf. > > > > > > > > > >Al > > > > > > > > > >drc@wscare.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >--> Yak-List message posted by: > > > > > > > > > > > >Guys- > > > > > >Sergei Boriak has confirmed his availability during OSH/MTW !! > > > > > > > > > > > >If you are interested in training with him let me know. If we > >have at > > > > >least 6 people to fly with him the cost will be reasonable. Max > >over 3 > > > > >days - 10 people. > > > > > > > > > > > >Plan on about $100 per hour for preflight,flying and debrief. > > > > > > > > > > > >If six people want to fly with him we will split his travel costs > > > equally > > > > >- or about $100 each. > > > > > >Of course the more we have fly the better to spread out the costs. > > > > > > > > > > > >Let me know ASAP if you want a spot. I need to plan travel for > >him > > > > >1-2-or 3 days. > > > > > > > > > > > >I spent 1 hour flying with him last year and the improvement in my > > > acro > > > > >flying has been incredible. In one hour of flying and about 45 > >minutes > > > on > > > > >the ground we covered enough to give me six months of figures to > > > practice. > > > > >The last 10 minutes was my own airshow performance from the cockpit > >by > > > > >Sergei linking the figures together. I wish I had my camera system > >in > > > last > > > > >year. This year I have the system in and I will plan on about 2 > >hours > > > of > > > > >flying with him. > > > > > > > > > > > >If you haven't flown with someone on his level I would highly > > > recommend > > > > >taking advantage of sharing the cost and doing it during MTW/OSH. > > > > > > > > > > > >Herb > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:57:59 AM PST US From: "Roger Doc Kemp" Subject: RE: Yak-List: Too all Yak owners --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp" What, another YAK-LIST?! Oh my gosh, I'll never got to sleep or work for that matter! Doc > [Original Message] > From: Tim Gagnon > To: > Date: 7/11/2005 7:47:16 AM > Subject: Yak-List: Too all Yak owners > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Tim Gagnon" > > Folks, > > > I am putting together sort of a clearing house (website) of information on > all things Yak. So, if you have documents, manuals, histories, photos..send > them on. If it has to do with the Yakovlev 50/52, I will gladly accept it. > Please be sure these are in the electronic format and "copywrite" free as > these will be available to the masses. The site will be for education and > the sharing of knowledge and will also a forum covering the same. > > > The other series of Yaks will be covered in the future so if you want to > send along something concering those, that would be great too! The CJ-6 and > the Jets are also forthcoming. > > > Regards, > > > Tim > > > Also, if you want to send some photos of your airplane and its history, I > will post those too!! > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:05:35 AM PST US From: Ernest Martinez Subject: Re: Yak-List: Sorrow leads to contempt or hate begets hate --> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez Allright already! Again this list is becoming a friggin pissing match on topics that have nothing to with airplanes. Its one thing to offer a bit of support to our friends overseas, its another to spew monolouges advocating some religious or political belief. This only makes me do a lot of deleting of truly useless information. Ernie On 7/11/05, Kevin Pilling wrote: > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Kevin Pilling" > > The entire free thinking world condemns senseless acts of terrorism but > we must not under any circumstances condemn entire nations and religions > as a consequence of a few evil individuals, be they historic or current. > > Much of your posting gives oxygen the religious hatred we seek to dismantle. > What you > are actually promoting (preaching) is by any definition ethnic cleansing. I > seek no part of it. > > kp > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Frank Haertlein" > To: > Subject: Yak-List: Sorrow leads to contempt or hate begets hate > > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" > > > > > > Earnie > > > > With all due respect to our British friends, the islamic, religious > > attacks will continue. > > > > As the past 1600 years proves, islam will forever breed murdering > > zealots (notice the lack of proper capitalization....islam does not even > > deserve that small measure of respect). > > > > The British, as well as the US, would be better served by banishing this > > religion (and it's practitioners) from our shores forever. > > > > I'm all for tolerance and acceptance but I draw the line at giving the > > rights of freedom to a murderous religion like islam. I don't want them > > here and if given my way would ship them all back to the wastelands of > > the middle east. > > > > As long as they are in Britain and as long as they are in the US you > > will see them commit heinous acts of slaughter against men, women and > > children. Islam does not belong in a free society. The sooner we realize > > that the sooner our freedoms can be restored. > > > > Our misguided political correctness will be our undoing. The politically > > correct viewpoint of protecting islamic religious rights will cause the > > deaths of thousands, possibly millions, at the hands of islamic > > terrorists. We need to wake up and rid them from our society before that > > happens. These people don't deserve freedom. > > > > Rest assured the current situation will get worse. We need to round them > > up and banish them back to where they came from....a wasteland of heat > > and sand. ......God's fitting gift to murderers in league with evil. > > > > They would still be nomadic goat fuker$ if not for the west. > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:34:46 AM PST US From: "Roger Doc Kemp" Subject: Yak-List: Our British Friends --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp" KP, I respect your none religious preference in this life. However, in your next life you will certainly regret that choice. I will pray for your sole. Now as to the terrorist, they are exactly what they are barbarian murderers! Their ideology lies in their religion! This all arose out of the hatred two brothers had for each other. The sons of Abraham (who was a very religious man). Two distinct tribes evolved into Nations. Those two nations are now locked in a biter fight for survival, each sworn to annilate the other. One has moderated under the western pressure. The other has been impowered under the western pressure. Incidently, both scriptures predicted this struggle for survival. Even a few drunken monks hallucinating on the 11 and 12th century on the equivalent of morphine envisioned this. We now have the 1st "ISM" of the 21st century. This ISM is lead by the zealotry of the Radical Mullahs. Iran and Saudia Arabia are the primary seats, but the ideology has infected all of the middle east and far east. Your own countries tolerance of the radical mullahs calling for the deaths of the infidels by any means has helped to feed this movement. We in each of our respective countries are all to blame for this fiasco! But, more so, it is Radical Mullahs that stand in their communities spewing hatred in the name of religion. It is all aimed at irradicating the "none believer (infidel)" from the face of this world. You, sir agnostic or not, are in their eyes are not worthy of living. If they get control of this world you will die! Now you can convert to Islam and live for they are the only ones that are to be left living after the "Third Jihad!" Guess when the third Jihad is...NOW! My religion, Christianity, does not call for the death of the non believer. Now,before you imediately retort with oh, but you have killed in the name of religion. True, their are misguided people on both sides of this issue. The problem is as Winston Churchill stated in the face of the other Isms of the 20th century, "we shall prevail." If your want to see you blond haired, blued eyed daughters not become sex slaves and your sons (infidels) not be beheaded, we have to fight! In what ever name you wish to call it, but the Radical Mullahs (and hence their followers) have to be defeated. Words of pacifism will only fuel their fire! Yes, we have to deliver devestating blows to their respective nations that house these vermin! Borders have to be ignored. They can be given no place of refuge (country or cave)! /by what ever name you wish to call, this is a World War. Doc Roger "Doc" Kemp viperdoc@mindspring.com If it don't sound Round...Why listen? ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:35:36 AM PST US From: "Roger Doc Kemp" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Sorrow leads to contempt or hate begets hate --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp" Earnie, Sorry, but... I'm done after this last email posting. Doc > [Original Message] > From: Ernest Martinez > To: > Date: 7/11/2005 9:05:26 AM > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Sorrow leads to contempt or hate begets hate > > --> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez > > Allright already! Again this list is becoming a friggin pissing match > on topics that have nothing to with airplanes. > > Its one thing to offer a bit of support to our friends overseas, its > another to spew monolouges advocating some religious or political > belief. > > This only makes me do a lot of deleting of truly useless information. > > Ernie > > On 7/11/05, Kevin Pilling wrote: > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Kevin Pilling" > > > > The entire free thinking world condemns senseless acts of terrorism but > > we must not under any circumstances condemn entire nations and religions > > as a consequence of a few evil individuals, be they historic or current. > > > > Much of your posting gives oxygen the religious hatred we seek to dismantle. > > What you > > are actually promoting (preaching) is by any definition ethnic cleansing. I > > seek no part of it. > > > > kp > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Frank Haertlein" > > To: > > Subject: Yak-List: Sorrow leads to contempt or hate begets hate > > > > > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" > > > > > > > > > Earnie > > > > > > With all due respect to our British friends, the islamic, religious > > > attacks will continue. > > > > > > As the past 1600 years proves, islam will forever breed murdering > > > zealots (notice the lack of proper capitalization....islam does not even > > > deserve that small measure of respect). > > > > > > The British, as well as the US, would be better served by banishing this > > > religion (and it's practitioners) from our shores forever. > > > > > > I'm all for tolerance and acceptance but I draw the line at giving the > > > rights of freedom to a murderous religion like islam. I don't want them > > > here and if given my way would ship them all back to the wastelands of > > > the middle east. > > > > > > As long as they are in Britain and as long as they are in the US you > > > will see them commit heinous acts of slaughter against men, women and > > > children. Islam does not belong in a free society. The sooner we realize > > > that the sooner our freedoms can be restored. > > > > > > Our misguided political correctness will be our undoing. The politically > > > correct viewpoint of protecting islamic religious rights will cause the > > > deaths of thousands, possibly millions, at the hands of islamic > > > terrorists. We need to wake up and rid them from our society before that > > > happens. These people don't deserve freedom. > > > > > > Rest assured the current situation will get worse. We need to round them > > > up and banish them back to where they came from....a wasteland of heat > > > and sand. ......God's fitting gift to murderers in league with evil. > > > > > > They would still be nomadic goat fuker$ if not for the west. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:47:53 AM PST US From: "Kevin Pilling" Subject: Re: Yak-List: To our British Friends --> Yak-List message posted by: "Kevin Pilling" Response off-list. # kp ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Yak-List: To our British Friends > > In a message dated 7/11/2005 6:18:27 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > pilling.k@btconnect.com writes: > > KP, > > If you are going to quote me, use the whole statement and not words out > context that fit your diatribe. ..........................etc ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:20:03 AM PST US From: "Kevin Pilling" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Our British Friends --> Yak-List message posted by: "Kevin Pilling" Response off-list# kp ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Doc Kemp" Subject: Yak-List: Our British Friends > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp" > > KP, > I respect your none religious preference in this life. ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:07:34 AM PST US From: "Fraser, Gus" Subject: Yak-List: Subject of substance --> Yak-List message posted by: "Fraser, Gus" Back to issues of substance. Sad news today Jimmy Franklin and Bob Yonkin are sadly no longer with us they collided at an airshow in Canada over the weekend. Jimmy, who also held a zero ft waiver for the Yak 52 was one of a kind. I asked him once in NY why he put that jet engine on his Waco and the answer started "Well I was in a bar ......" Unfortunately I never met Bob but have no doubt that he was similar in nature. Jimmiy's son Kyle was not on the aircraft, thankfully, at the time of the accident and Jimmy's family are obviously in shock at the news. OK all you formation types why not contact EAA and do something of consequence, a missing man for Jimmy and Bob at Oshkosh this year, now that I would love to see, someone should do it. Three peel offs One for Jimmy, One for Bob, One for Curtis... Very sad day, BE SAFE Gus ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:18:18 AM PST US From: "Yakjock" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Sergei Boriak-Acro --> Yak-List message posted by: "Yakjock" I had the chance to train with Sergei for three days. As an aerobatic pilot and coach he is one of the best in the world. I look forward to training with him again. Hal ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:36:25 AM PST US Subject: Yak-List: way too lean From: "Jon Boede" --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jon Boede" Coming home last night, I inched the throttle back near the end of the descent into the pattern and the engine started coughing something awful. I pushed the throttle back up and it came back to life... having had this problem once on the ground, I had a good guess as to the problem. Landed, no issues, engine died on rollout but really only as a result of my curiosity about the situation. The welding around the stem where the clean-kit connects to the intake manifold creates a rigid ring on that pipe and the vibration of my flexible hoses for the clean kit eventually caused the stem and welding to pull off, leaving a quarter-sized hole in the intake manifold. I had one other detach in this manner on the ground and a third one on the engine had been repaired some time in the past. With the throttle full open, the manifold pressure is higher than ambient and so the manifold is exhausting air/fuel mixture to the outside. When I pulled it back, fresh air started rushing in -- and the engine doesn't run so well on just fresh air. :-) So, something to take a peek at next time you have your cowl off... they seem to break off pretty cleanly. The seem to be pretty easy to weld back on. Jon ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:39:36 AM PST US Subject: RE: Yak-List: Subject of substance From: "Greg Young" --> Yak-List message posted by: "Greg Young" Somewhat obscured by the celebrity of Younkin & Franklin, another mid-air occurred on Sunday as well - in a 6-ship formation flight group during practice on the east coast. An RV-8 and Long Eze were lost. Not as famous but no less a tragedy. Be careful out there. Greg --> Yak-List message posted by: "Fraser, Gus" Back to issues of substance. Sad news today Jimmy Franklin and Bob Yonkin are sadly no longer with us they collided at an airshow in Canada over the weekend. Jimmy, who also held a zero ft waiver for the Yak 52 was one of a kind. I asked him once in NY why he put that jet engine on his Waco and the answer started "Well I was in a bar ......" Unfortunately I never met Bob but have no doubt that he was similar in nature. Jimmiy's son Kyle was not on the aircraft, thankfully, at the time of the accident and Jimmy's family are obviously in shock at the news. OK all you formation types why not contact EAA and do something of consequence, a missing man for Jimmy and Bob at Oshkosh this year, now that I would love to see, someone should do it. Three peel offs One for Jimmy, One for Bob, One for Curtis... Very sad day, BE SAFE Gus ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 11:45:20 AM PST US From: "Frank Haertlein" Subject: Yak-List: hate begets hate --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" Doc, Ernie We were all a little pissed off at what happened in England. We vented. I'm taking it offline. Frank -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Doc Kemp Subject: Re: Yak-List: Sorrow leads to contempt or hate begets hate --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp" --> Earnie, Sorry, but... I'm done after this last email posting. Doc > [Original Message] > From: Ernest Martinez > To: > Date: 7/11/2005 9:05:26 AM > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Sorrow leads to contempt or hate begets hate > > --> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez > > Allright already! Again this list is becoming a friggin pissing match > on topics that have nothing to with airplanes. > > Its one thing to offer a bit of support to our friends overseas, its > another to spew monolouges advocating some religious or political > belief. > > This only makes me do a lot of deleting of truly useless information. > > Ernie > > On 7/11/05, Kevin Pilling wrote: > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Kevin Pilling" > > > > The entire free thinking world condemns senseless acts of terrorism > > but we must not under any circumstances condemn entire nations and > > religions as a consequence of a few evil individuals, be they > > historic or current. > > > > Much of your posting gives oxygen the religious hatred we seek to dismantle. > > What you > > are actually promoting (preaching) is by any definition ethnic cleansing. I > > seek no part of it. > > > > kp > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Frank Haertlein" > > To: > > Subject: Yak-List: Sorrow leads to contempt or hate begets hate > > > > > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" > > > > > > > > > Earnie > > > > > > With all due respect to our British friends, the islamic, > > > religious attacks will continue. > > > > > > As the past 1600 years proves, islam will forever breed murdering > > > zealots (notice the lack of proper capitalization....islam does > > > not even > > > deserve that small measure of respect). > > > > > > The British, as well as the US, would be better served by > > > banishing this > > > religion (and it's practitioners) from our shores forever. > > > > > > I'm all for tolerance and acceptance but I draw the line at giving > > > the rights of freedom to a murderous religion like islam. I don't > > > want them > > > here and if given my way would ship them all back to the > > > wastelands of the middle east. > > > > > > As long as they are in Britain and as long as they are in the US > > > you will see them commit heinous acts of slaughter against men, > > > women and children. Islam does not belong in a free society. The > > > sooner we realize > > > that the sooner our freedoms can be restored. > > > > > > Our misguided political correctness will be our undoing. The politically > > > correct viewpoint of protecting islamic religious rights will > > > cause the > > > deaths of thousands, possibly millions, at the hands of islamic > > > terrorists. We need to wake up and rid them from our society > > > before that > > > happens. These people don't deserve freedom. > > > > > > Rest assured the current situation will get worse. We need to > > > round them > > > up and banish them back to where they came from....a wasteland of > > > heat and sand. ......God's fitting gift to murderers in league > > > with evil. > > > > > > They would still be nomadic goat fuker$ if not for the west. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 01:11:17 PM PST US From: Cpayne Subject: Yak-List: Re: Way too Lean --> Yak-List message posted by: Cpayne "The welding around the stem where the clean-kit connects to the intake manifold" Welding? Whose kit is that? I make my own drains by just tapping the plugs for AN fittings and then use hose. Both Huosai and M-14. Works fine, lasts a long time. Cheap too! Craig Payne ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 01:29:34 PM PST US From: Ernest Martinez Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Way too Lean --> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez I put 2 buckets on the floor under the exhaust pipes. Very reliable. Ernie On 7/11/05, Cpayne wrote: > --> Yak-List message posted by: Cpayne > > "The welding around the stem where the clean-kit connects to the intake > manifold" > > Welding? Whose kit is that? I make my own drains by just tapping the plugs for AN fittings and then use hose. Both Huosai and M-14. Works fine, lasts a long time. Cheap too! > > Craig Payne > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 01:43:51 PM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Formation crash From: Jay Land --> Yak-List message posted by: Jay Land Our formation flying is not without risk..... http://kyw.com/Local%20News/local_story_191190635.html We also lost a pilot in a Skybolt in Atlanta when he had an engine failure in flight. A bad weekend. http://kyw.com/Local%20News/local_story_191190635.html Jay ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 02:29:09 PM PST US From: "Roger Doc Kemp" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Way too Lean --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp" Ernie, I put two buckets on the floor too. Along with opening the intake drain. Works even better that way to stave off the Hydralick Lock Monster. Doc > [Original Message] > From: Ernest Martinez > To: > Date: 7/11/2005 3:29:22 PM > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Way too Lean > > --> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez > > I put 2 buckets on the floor under the exhaust pipes. Very reliable. > > Ernie > > On 7/11/05, Cpayne wrote: > > --> Yak-List message posted by: Cpayne > > > > "The welding around the stem where the clean-kit connects to the intake > > manifold" > > > > Welding? Whose kit is that? I make my own drains by just tapping the plugs for AN fittings and then use hose. Both Huosai and M-14. Works fine, lasts a long time. Cheap too! > > > > Craig Payne > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 02:41:35 PM PST US From: ByronMFox@aol.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: Formation crash --> Yak-List message posted by: ByronMFox@aol.com In a message dated 7/11/05 1:44:32 PM, jland@popeandland.com writes: > Our formation flying is not without risk..... > With respect, I could not disagree more profoundly. Conducted safely in accordance with FAST guidelines, formation flying is one of the great joys of flying our airplanes. Were it not for formation, I'd be flying a spam can. ...Blitz ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 02:50:23 PM PST US From: ByronMFox@aol.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: Formation crash --> Yak-List message posted by: ByronMFox@aol.com In a message dated 7/11/05 1:44:32 PM, jland@popeandland.com writes: > Our formation flying is not without risk..... > Jay, I owe you an apology. I misread read your comment. For reasons unknown, I read to it as "our formation flying is not worth the risk." Not at all what you said or meant. So, I concur with your observation. Sorry, Blitz ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 03:11:32 PM PST US From: "Jerome van der Schaar" Subject: Yak-List: CHECK YOUR BALLS ! --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jerome van der Schaar" Hello dudes. Everybody remembers the terrible fatal accident in Germany last year, were two yak Pilots unfortunality lost their lives in the forest due to a canopy =93ball=94 (overhead your head) which went into the back and blocked all controls. Today enjoying myself coming out of the UK my passenger was willing to close up the canopy in-flight holding this particular ball in his hand=85. Damn=85 Very glad it ended up this way=85 but for your info, I do check it every time , very secure, before departing, also this time=85 It seems that something is not completely right there=85 so gentleman and women CHECK YOUR BALLS! Jerome. www.yakkes.com ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 03:12:24 PM PST US Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Way too Lean From: "Jon Boede" --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jon Boede" My CJ has the drains on the exhaust pipes tapped with an 1/8" pipe fitting to flexible hose into a block... the drains themselves break. Jon > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp" > > Ernie, > I put two buckets on the floor too. Along with opening the intake drain. > Works even better that way to stave off the Hydralick Lock Monster. > Doc > > >> [Original Message] >> From: Ernest Martinez >> To: >> Date: 7/11/2005 3:29:22 PM >> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Way too Lean >> >> --> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez >> >> I put 2 buckets on the floor under the exhaust pipes. Very reliable. >> >> Ernie >> >> On 7/11/05, Cpayne wrote: >> > --> Yak-List message posted by: Cpayne >> > >> > "The welding around the stem where the clean-kit connects to the >> intake >> > manifold" >> > >> > Welding? Whose kit is that? I make my own drains by just tapping the > plugs for AN fittings and then use hose. Both Huosai and M-14. Works fine, > lasts a long time. Cheap too! >> > >> > Craig Payne >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 04:01:56 PM PST US From: "Frank Haertlein" Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Way too Lean --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" Craig; You're right about using rubber hose for the clean kits. I had aluminum hard lines connecting my clean kit and the lines eventually broke. I went to the rubber lines and "voila" no more problems. Frank -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cpayne Subject: Yak-List: Re: Way too Lean --> Yak-List message posted by: Cpayne "The welding around the stem where the clean-kit connects to the intake manifold" Welding? Whose kit is that? I make my own drains by just tapping the plugs for AN fittings and then use hose. Both Huosai and M-14. Works fine, lasts a long time. Cheap too! Craig Payne ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 04:05:33 PM PST US subject Subject: Re: [SPAM] - Re: Yak-List: Formation crash - Email found in subject From: Jay Land --> Yak-List message posted by: Jay Land All life is about risk and risk management. Flying formation together with your friends is the greatest reason to have our planes and we all need to continue to push everyone we know to train to be better and safer. We all know what a mess we could have in the middle of one of our 16 or 20 ship formations if everyone is not on the EXACT same FAST page....... One of my RV buddies said he thinks one of the guys broke from one of the 3 ship formations, directly into the other flight. Jay > From: > Reply-To: > Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 17:49:58 EDT > To: > Subject: [SPAM] - Re: Yak-List: Formation crash - Email found in subject > > --> Yak-List message posted by: ByronMFox@aol.com > > > In a message dated 7/11/05 1:44:32 PM, jland@popeandland.com writes: > > >> Our formation flying is not without risk..... >> > > Jay, I owe you an apology. I misread read your comment. For reasons unknown, > I read to it as "our formation flying is not worth the risk." Not at all what > you said or meant. So, I concur with your observation. Sorry, Blitz > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 04:50:06 PM PST US From: Herb Coussons Subject: Re: [SPAM] - Re: Yak-List: Formation crash - Email found in subject --> Yak-List message posted by: Herb Coussons I agree - I have quite a few RV friends as I considered the RV 8 before getting the YAK 52. While there are some excellent military pilots flying RV's in formation out there with military discipline - there are alot of civilian RV pilots that have fast sporty acro planes that are evenly matched and they go fly formation. No preflight brief, no systematic communication, no practice, nothing like a FAST trained group uses. My first experience with "professional" formation flying was last year at MTW/OSH and it was a true education. I am very pleased with the organization and the professionalism that the guys I flew with and rode with exhibited (Dan Fortin, Steve Dalton, Ski, Harry Dutson, Craig Payne, Charlie Lynch and others.) The RV flyers I have flown with should stick to Saturday rendevous for hamburgers at fly out to a different airport. That said it is always a black mark on general aviation and airshows when tragedy happens and we should be saddened by the loss of life in all of these recent accidents. We should also be that much more commited to improve our discipline and correct any shortcomings we have as individual pilots - "for except by the grace of God - there I go" Fly safe - Coming to MTW/OSH, in our mass formations, and always. Herb On Jul 11, 2005, at 6:05 PM, Jay Land wrote: > --> Yak-List message posted by: Jay Land > > All life is about risk and risk management. > > Flying formation together with your friends is the greatest reason > to have > our planes and we all need to continue to push everyone we know to > train to > be better and safer. We all know what a mess we could have in the > middle of > one of our 16 or 20 ship formations if everyone is not on the EXACT > same > FAST page....... > > One of my RV buddies said he thinks one of the guys broke from one > of the 3 > ship formations, directly into the other flight. > > Jay > > >> From: >> Reply-To: >> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 17:49:58 EDT >> To: >> Subject: [SPAM] - Re: Yak-List: Formation crash - Email found in >> subject >> >> --> Yak-List message posted by: ByronMFox@aol.com >> >> >> In a message dated 7/11/05 1:44:32 PM, jland@popeandland.com writes: >> >> >> >>> Our formation flying is not without risk..... >>> >>> >> >> Jay, I owe you an apology. I misread read your comment. For >> reasons unknown, >> I read to it as "our formation flying is not worth the risk." Not >> at all what >> you said or meant. So, I concur with your observation. Sorry, Blitz >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 06:41:23 PM PST US From: "jeff pritchard" Subject: Re: Yak-List: CHECK YOUR BALLS ! --> Yak-List message posted by: "jeff pritchard" If God wanted us to fly he would have given us wings. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerome van der Schaar" Subject: Yak-List: CHECK YOUR BALLS ! > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jerome van der Schaar" > > Hello dudes. > > Everybody remembers the terrible fatal accident in Germany last year, were > two yak Pilots unfortunality lost their lives in the forest due to a canopy > =93ball=94 (overhead your head) which went into the back and blocked all > controls. Today enjoying myself coming out of the UK my passenger was > willing to close up the canopy in-flight holding this particular ball in his > hand=85. Damn=85 Very glad it ended up this way=85 but for your info, I do check > it every time , very secure, before departing, also this time=85 It seems that > something is not completely right there=85 so gentleman and women CHECK YOUR > BALLS! > > Jerome. > www.yakkes.com > > ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 08:14:36 PM PST US From: Aviatr@aol.com Subject: Yak-List: Precautionary landing on Thurday July 7th aircare@cminet.net, Gators09@aol.com, p2driver@earthlink.net, YAKFLT@aol.com, FLYER57@aol.com, david.petri@earthlink.net --> Yak-List message posted by: Aviatr@aol.com Fellow Yak Drivers: It is with hat-in-hand that I confess my latest sin. It seems that at some point I failed to safety wire the fuel screen drain valve. By-the-way, I fly a stock Yak-52. This past Thursday while enroute to Heber City, UT to participate in the airshow at that location I had an engine failure as a result of that particular valve vibrating open. Luckily I was over some very friendly country west of Vernal Utah. Flat as a Pancake compared to the previous 2 hours of flying. Detailed Report: After fueling in Vernal (VEL) I took off for Heber City (36U). About 15 minutes into the flight I noticed that the engine was not running right. A quick check of the gauges confirmed that the fuel pressure was very low. Moments after that the engine quit. I was about 2500' AGL so I had some time to find a place to land and time to work the problem. Once I determined that I had some suitable landing sites I began to go through the restart procedures. I began using the primer, set to the manifold position (turned to the left) to pump fuel to the carburetor. Bingo the engine relit. Although it would only run when the fuel was pumped it was running well enough to get me to the nearest airport. I continued to pump fuel to the carburetor until I had the airport made. I landed successfully and to my amazement the engine was running on it's own as I taxied off. I now found myself at the most remote airport location (Duchenese, UT. (U69)) I have ever been. Although they had a self-serve pump there was not a soul in site. One Quonset hut and one small hangar were the only facilities around for several miles. As I shut down the engine and took an assessment of my situation I began to notice the sound of running water on pavement. I quickly got out of the cockpit to find a steady stream of 100LL coming from the fuel drain. Well, I now knew where my problem was. I was able to stop the flow of fuel using the emergency fuel shut off. I tightened the valve applied some safety wire (always, always take a small repair kit with you on the road) and was back on my way. Conclusions: When the valve unscrewed itself the engine began to suck air into the system. The resulting loss of pressure caused the engine to fail. Using the primer created enough pressure to the engine that it would run for short periods of time. Once on the ground and at idle the engine requires very minimal fuel pressure to sustain idle power. That is I guess, why the engine ran fine once at idle power. Luckily there was no fire either in the air or on the ground. Recommendations: 1. Everyone please make sure this valve is safetied. 2. Don't panic, Find a place to land then, as long as there's altitude and time to do so work the problem using your checklist. You do have some sort of memorized procedure for this situation don't you? 3. Without my GPS's Goto/Nearest feature I would have most likely put the Yak in a nice field for repairs instead of an airport runway. This is one valuable tool that no one should be without. 4. Always, Always carry the basic tools necessary to make enroute repairs on a cross country, especially when you are a single ship. Without my tool kit I would have been stuck until the Calvary arrived. 5. If you don't file a flight plan like me, make sure someone knows your route of flight and your ETA. I had notified Skip of my proposed ETA. If something worse would have happened at least someone would know that I was not OK and could have started the SAR effort. 6. I am not one for hiding my mistakes. If this bit of info helps the next guy then it was worth every bit of embarrassment in telling my story. I hope you will return the favor should you be so lucky to have something like this happen to you. Fly Safe, have a plan, and think like a professional. Scott McMillan Yak-52 PS The next round is on me. ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 08:39:42 PM PST US From: "Roger Doc Kemp" Subject: RE: Yak-List: Precautionary landing on Thurday July 7th --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp" Good to know this story has a happy ending. Doc > [Original Message] > From: > To: ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; > Date: 7/11/2005 10:14:01 PM > Subject: Yak-List: Precautionary landing on Thurday July 7th > > --> Yak-List message posted by: Aviatr@aol.com > > Fellow Yak Drivers: > > It is with hat-in-hand that I confess my latest sin. It seems that at some > point I failed to safety wire the fuel screen drain valve. By-the-way, I fly a > stock Yak-52. This past Thursday while enroute to Heber City, UT to participate > in the airshow at that location I had an engine failure as a result of that > particular valve vibrating open. Luckily I was over some very friendly country > west of Vernal Utah. Flat as a Pancake compared to the previous 2 hours of > flying. > > Detailed Report: > > After fueling in Vernal (VEL) I took off for Heber City (36U). About 15 > minutes into the flight I noticed that the engine was not running right. A quick > check of the gauges confirmed that the fuel pressure was very low. Moments after > that the engine quit. I was about 2500' AGL so I had some time to find a > place to land and time to work the problem. Once I determined that I had some > suitable landing sites I began to go through the restart procedures. I began using > the primer, set to the manifold position (turned to the left) to pump fuel to > the carburetor. Bingo the engine relit. Although it would only run when the > fuel was pumped it was running well enough to get me to the nearest airport. I > continued to pump fuel to the carburetor until I had the airport made. I > landed successfully and to my amazement the engine was running on it's own as I > taxied off. > > I now found myself at the most remote airport location (Duchenese, UT. (U69)) > I have ever been. Although they had a self-serve pump there was not a soul in > site. One Quonset hut and one small hangar were the only facilities around > for several miles. As I shut down the engine and took an assessment of my > situation I began to notice the sound of running water on pavement. I quickly got > out of the cockpit to find a steady stream of 100LL coming from the fuel drain. > Well, I now knew where my problem was. I was able to stop the flow of fuel > using the emergency fuel shut off. I tightened the valve applied some safety wire > (always, always take a small repair kit with you on the road) and was back on > my way. > > Conclusions: > > When the valve unscrewed itself the engine began to suck air into the system. > The resulting loss of pressure caused the engine to fail. Using the primer > created enough pressure to the engine that it would run for short periods of > time. Once on the ground and at idle the engine requires very minimal fuel > pressure to sustain idle power. That is I guess, why the engine ran fine once at > idle power. Luckily there was no fire either in the air or on the ground. > > Recommendations: > > 1. Everyone please make sure this valve is safetied. > > 2. Don't panic, Find a place to land then, as long as there's altitude and > time to do so work the problem using your checklist. You do have some sort of > memorized procedure for this situation don't you? > > 3. Without my GPS's Goto/Nearest feature I would have most likely put the Yak > in a nice field for repairs instead of an airport runway. This is one > valuable tool that no one should be without. > > 4. Always, Always carry the basic tools necessary to make enroute repairs on > a cross country, especially when you are a single ship. Without my tool kit I > would have been stuck until the Calvary arrived. > > 5. If you don't file a flight plan like me, make sure someone knows your > route of flight and your ETA. I had notified Skip of my proposed ETA. If something > worse would have happened at least someone would know that I was not OK and > could have started the SAR effort. > > 6. I am not one for hiding my mistakes. If this bit of info helps the next > guy then it was worth every bit of embarrassment in telling my story. I hope you > will return the favor should you be so lucky to have something like this > happen to you. > > Fly Safe, have a plan, and think like a professional. > > Scott McMillan Yak-52 > > PS The next round is on me. > > ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 08:48:29 PM PST US From: "Roger Doc Kemp" Subject: RE: Yak-List: CHECK YOUR BALLS ! --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp" Still there, both firmly attached in their sack. Your point is well taken though. Loose balls can sink ships or is it loose lips sink ships anyway one loose ball can bring a man down. Just ask Bill Clinton. Doc > [Original Message] > From: Jerome van der Schaar > To: > Date: 7/11/2005 5:11:22 PM > Subject: Yak-List: CHECK YOUR BALLS ! > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jerome van der Schaar" > > Hello dudes. > > Everybody remembers the terrible fatal accident in Germany last year, were > two yak Pilots unfortunality lost their lives in the forest due to a canopy > =93ball=94 (overhead your head) which went into the back and blocked all > controls. Today enjoying myself coming out of the UK my passenger was > willing to close up the canopy in-flight holding this particular ball in his > hand=85. Damn=85 Very glad it ended up this way=85 but for your info, I do check > it every time , very secure, before departing, also this time=85 It seems that > something is not completely right there=85 so gentleman and women CHECK YOUR > BALLS! > > Jerome. > www.yakkes.com > > ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 08:54:58 PM PST US From: "Roger Doc Kemp" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Way too Lean --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp" On the exhaust or did you mean the intake (manifold)? I have to periodically inspect my AN fittings because they will loosen up over time resulting in a rougher running engine. With them being loose, it leans out the bottom 3 cylinders. If I had a CHT probe on the bottom cylinders, then I should expect to see an increase in the CHT when the intake is left open. Hum, to CHT all 9 or stay with Stock Russian design? Doc > [Original Message] > From: Jon Boede > To: > Date: 7/11/2005 5:12:16 PM > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Way too Lean > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jon Boede" > > My CJ has the drains on the exhaust pipes tapped with an 1/8" pipe fitting > to flexible hose into a block... the drains themselves break. > > Jon > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp" > > > > Ernie, > > I put two buckets on the floor too. Along with opening the intake drain. > > Works even better that way to stave off the Hydralick Lock Monster. > > Doc > > > > > >> [Original Message] > >> From: Ernest Martinez > >> To: > >> Date: 7/11/2005 3:29:22 PM > >> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Way too Lean > >> > >> --> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez > >> > >> I put 2 buckets on the floor under the exhaust pipes. Very reliable. > >> > >> Ernie > >> > >> On 7/11/05, Cpayne wrote: > >> > --> Yak-List message posted by: Cpayne > >> > > >> > "The welding around the stem where the clean-kit connects to the > >> intake > >> > manifold" > >> > > >> > Welding? Whose kit is that? I make my own drains by just tapping the > > plugs for AN fittings and then use hose. Both Huosai and M-14. Works fine, > > lasts a long time. Cheap too! > >> > > >> > Craig Payne > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 09:36:04 PM PST US From: N13472@aol.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: Precautionary landing on Thurday July 7th --> Yak-List message posted by: N13472@aol.com In a message dated 7/11/2005 8:15:51 PM Pacific Standard Time, Aviatr@aol.com writes: 6. I am not one for hiding my mistakes. If this bit of info helps the next guy then it was worth every bit of embarrassment in telling my story. I hope you will return the favor should you be so lucky to have something like this happen to you. Fly Safe, have a plan, and think like a professional. Scott McMillan Yak-52 PS The next round is on me. Scott, Thank you! We all can learn from others. Tom Elliott CJ-6A