Yak-List Digest Archive

Tue 07/12/05


Total Messages Posted: 25



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 01:19 AM - Issues amongst friends (Mike Fagan)
     2. 01:21 AM - Fw: Issues amongst friends (Mike Fagan)
     3. 01:21 AM - Fw: Fox Holes (Mike Fagan)
     4. 04:35 AM - Re: Re: Way too Lean (A. Dennis Savarese)
     5. 04:43 AM - Re: Precautionary landing on Thurday July 7th (A. Dennis Savarese)
     6. 05:34 AM - Re: Re: Way too Lean (Roger Doc Kemp)
     7. 05:40 AM - Re: Fw: Issues amongst friends (Roger Doc Kemp)
     8. 06:44 AM - Re: Re: Way too Lean (Ernest Martinez)
     9. 09:22 AM - OSH GIB's (Herb Coussons)
    10. 09:42 AM - Re: OSH GIB's (John W. Cox)
    11. 10:05 AM - Re: Re: Way too Lean (Roger Doc Kemp)
    12. 11:22 AM - Re: Re: Way too Lean (Ernest Martinez)
    13. 11:48 AM - Re: Way too Lean (Samuel Sax)
    14. 12:09 PM - Going to OSH/MTW? (ByronMFox@aol.com)
    15. 12:22 PM - Yesterdays Yak list (Roger Baker)
    16. 12:40 PM - Reno (Ira Saligman)
    17. 12:52 PM - Re: Yesterdays Yak list (Bill Mills)
    18. 02:35 PM - Re: Re: Way too Lean (Roger Kemp)
    19. 03:02 PM - Re: Re: Way too Lean (Jon Boede)
    20. 03:13 PM - Re: M5 Engine (Gilles St-Pierre)
    21. 03:53 PM - Re: Re: Way too Lean (Ernest Martinez)
    22. 09:17 PM - Neato Pilot Tool - web based (Jim Ivey)
    23. 09:19 PM - Re: Re: Way too Lean (Samuel Sax)
    24. 09:35 PM - Re: Re: Way too Lean (Samuel Sax)
    25. 11:17 PM - F-16 noise, the full story (Barry Hancock)
 
 
 


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    Time: 01:19:46 AM PST US
    From: "Mike Fagan" <sashalee@iafrica.com>
    Subject: Issues amongst friends
    --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mike Fagan" <sashalee@iafrica.com> Hi there Doc It is excellent that issues of greater significance get addressed on a list like this... This is in essence a forum for people of common interest. The common interest being Yak Aircraft.. It would be ridiculous to suggest that we are so mindedly narrow that we are unable as "friends" to discuss and share broader interest topics, especially topics which are so pertinent in this time.. Thus to Doc, I say strength to your arm.! Go and make disciples of all nations! Introduce them to the True God of the Bible Show them the Unconditional Love of the Father.. Go for it! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com> Subject: Yak-List: Our British Friends > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com> > > KP, > I respect your none religious preference in this life. However, in your next life you will certainly regret that choice. I will pray for your sole. > Now as to the terrorist, they are exactly what they are barbarian murderers! Their ideology lies in their religion! This all arose out of the hatred two brothers had for each other. The sons of Abraham (who was a very religious man). Two distinct tribes evolved into Nations. Those two nations are now locked in a biter fight for survival, each sworn to annilate the other. One has moderated under the western pressure. The other has been impowered under the western pressure. > Incidently, both scriptures predicted this struggle for survival. Even a few drunken monks hallucinating on the 11 and 12th century on the equivalent of morphine envisioned this. > We now have the 1st "ISM" of the 21st century. This ISM is lead by the zealotry of the Radical Mullahs. Iran and Saudia Arabia are the primary seats, but the ideology has infected all of the middle east and far east. Your own countries tolerance of the radical mullahs calling for the deaths of the infidels by any means has helped to feed this movement. We in each of our respective countries are all to blame for this fiasco! But, more so, it is Radical Mullahs that stand in their communities spewing hatred in the name of religion. It is all aimed at irradicating the "none believer (infidel)" from the face of this world. You, sir agnostic or not, are in their eyes are not worthy of living. If they get control of this world you will die! Now you can convert to Islam and live for they are the only ones that are to be left living after the "Third Jihad!" Guess when the third Jihad is...NOW! > My religion, Christianity, does not call for the death of the non believer. Now,before you imediately retort with oh, but you have killed in the name of religion. True, their are misguided people on both sides of this issue. > The problem is as Winston Churchill stated in the face of the other Isms of the 20th century, "we shall prevail." If your want to see you blond haired, blued eyed daughters not become sex slaves and your sons (infidels) not be beheaded, we have to fight! In what ever name you wish to call it, but the Radical Mullahs (and hence their followers) have to be defeated. Words of pacifism will only fuel their fire! Yes, we have to deliver devestating blows to their respective nations that house these vermin! Borders have to be ignored. They can be given no place of refuge (country or cave)! /by what ever name you wish to call, this is a World War. > Doc > > > Roger "Doc" Kemp > viperdoc@mindspring.com > If it don't sound Round...Why listen? > >


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    Time: 01:21:26 AM PST US
    From: "Mike Fagan" <sashalee@iafrica.com>
    Subject: Fw: Issues amongst friends
    --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mike Fagan" <sashalee@iafrica.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Fagan" <sashalee@iafrica.com> Subject: Issues amongst friends > Hi there Doc > > It is excellent that issues of greater significance get addressed on a list > like this... This is in essence a forum for people of common interest. The > common interest being Yak Aircraft.. It would be ridiculous to suggest that > we are so mindedly narrow that we are unable as "friends" to discuss and > share broader interest topics, especially topics which are so pertinent in > this time.. > > Thus to Doc, I say strength to your arm.! > > Go and make disciples of all nations! > > Introduce them to the True God of the Bible > > Show them the Unconditional Love of the Father.. > > Go for it! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com> > To: "yak-list" <yak-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 4:34 PM > Subject: Yak-List: Our British Friends > > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com> > > > > KP, > > I respect your none religious preference in this life. However, in your > next life you will certainly regret that choice. I will pray for your sole. > > Now as to the terrorist, they are exactly what they are barbarian > murderers! Their ideology lies in their religion! This all arose out of the > hatred two brothers had for each other. The sons of Abraham (who was a very > religious man). Two distinct tribes evolved into Nations. Those two nations > are now locked in a biter fight for survival, each sworn to annilate the > other. One has moderated under the western pressure. The other has been > impowered under the western pressure. > > Incidently, both scriptures predicted this struggle for survival. Even a > few drunken monks hallucinating on the 11 and 12th century on the equivalent > of morphine envisioned this. > > We now have the 1st "ISM" of the 21st century. This ISM is lead by the > zealotry of the Radical Mullahs. Iran and Saudia Arabia are the primary > seats, but the ideology has infected all of the middle east and far east. > Your own countries tolerance of the radical mullahs calling for the deaths > of the infidels by any means has helped to feed this movement. We in each > of our respective countries are all to blame for this fiasco! But, more so, > it is Radical Mullahs that stand in their communities spewing hatred in the > name of religion. It is all aimed at irradicating the "none believer > (infidel)" from the face of this world. You, sir agnostic or not, are in > their eyes are not worthy of living. If they get control of this world you > will die! Now you can convert to Islam and live for they are the only ones > that are to be left living after the "Third Jihad!" Guess when the third > Jihad is...NOW! > > My religion, Christianity, does not call for the death of the non > believer. Now,before you imediately retort with oh, but you have killed in > the name of religion. True, their are misguided people on both sides of this > issue. > > The problem is as Winston Churchill stated in the face of the other Isms > of the 20th century, "we shall prevail." If your want to see you blond > haired, blued eyed daughters not become sex slaves and your sons (infidels) > not be beheaded, we have to fight! In what ever name you wish to call it, > but the Radical Mullahs (and hence their followers) have to be defeated. > Words of pacifism will only fuel their fire! Yes, we have to deliver > devestating blows to their respective nations that house these vermin! > Borders have to be ignored. They can be given no place of refuge (country or > cave)! /by what ever name you wish to call, this is a World War. > > Doc > > > > > > Roger "Doc" Kemp > > viperdoc@mindspring.com > > If it don't sound Round...Why listen? > > > > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 01:21:38 AM PST US
    From: "Mike Fagan" <sashalee@iafrica.com>
    Subject: Fw: Fox Holes
    --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mike Fagan" <sashalee@iafrica.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Fagan Subject: Fox Holes Hi there Doc Interesting observation. There are few atheisists in fox holes.. I think when the rubber of mortality meets the road of eternity then thieism starts to have a bit more relevance IJN Mike


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    Time: 04:35:09 AM PST US
    From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Way too Lean
    --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com> Doc, Even if you could find a 9 cylinder CHT, you'd have to get very creative on finding a location to install it. Now if you could install one with a single, round 57 mm (2 1/4") instrument with a 9 position rotary switch, that may work. What the heck Doc, you need more "stuff" in your cockpit anyway! -) Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Way too Lean > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com> > > On the exhaust or did you mean the intake (manifold)? I have to > periodically inspect my AN fittings because they will loosen up over time > resulting in a rougher running engine. With them being loose, it leans out > the bottom 3 cylinders. If I had a CHT probe on the bottom cylinders, then > I should expect to see an increase in the CHT when the intake is left > open. > Hum, to CHT all 9 or stay with Stock Russian design? > Doc > > >> [Original Message] >> From: Jon Boede <jon@email.net> >> To: <yak-list@matronics.com> >> Date: 7/11/2005 5:12:16 PM >> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Way too Lean >> >> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net> >> >> My CJ has the drains on the exhaust pipes tapped with an 1/8" pipe >> fitting >> to flexible hose into a block... the drains themselves break. >> >> Jon >> >> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp" > <viperdoc@mindspring.com> >> > >> > Ernie, >> > I put two buckets on the floor too. Along with opening the intake >> > drain. >> > Works even better that way to stave off the Hydralick Lock Monster. >> > Doc >> > >> > >> >> [Original Message] >> >> From: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com> >> >> To: <yak-list@matronics.com> >> >> Date: 7/11/2005 3:29:22 PM >> >> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Way too Lean >> >> >> >> --> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com> >> >> >> >> I put 2 buckets on the floor under the exhaust pipes. Very reliable. >> >> >> >> Ernie >> >> >> >> On 7/11/05, Cpayne <cpayne@joimail.com> wrote: >> >> > --> Yak-List message posted by: Cpayne <cpayne@joimail.com> >> >> > >> >> > "The welding around the stem where the clean-kit connects to the >> >> intake >> >> > manifold" >> >> > >> >> > Welding? Whose kit is that? I make my own drains by just tapping the >> > plugs for AN fittings and then use hose. Both Huosai and M-14. Works > fine, >> > lasts a long time. Cheap too! >> >> > >> >> > Craig Payne >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> > > >


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    Time: 04:43:10 AM PST US
    From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: Precautionary landing on Thurday July 7th
    --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com> Glad you're OK and the airplane is OK as well. Great lesson for all of us. Thanks for sharing and being humble enough to do so. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: <Aviatr@aol.com> <aircare@cminet.net>; <Gators09@aol.com>; <p2driver@earthlink.net>; <YAKFLT@aol.com>; <FLYER57@aol.com>; <david.petri@earthlink.net> Subject: Yak-List: Precautionary landing on Thurday July 7th > --> Yak-List message posted by: Aviatr@aol.com > > Fellow Yak Drivers: > > It is with hat-in-hand that I confess my latest sin. It seems that at some > point I failed to safety wire the fuel screen drain valve. By-the-way, I > fly a > stock Yak-52. This past Thursday while enroute to Heber City, UT to > participate > in the airshow at that location I had an engine failure as a result of > that > particular valve vibrating open. Luckily I was over some very friendly > country > west of Vernal Utah. Flat as a Pancake compared to the previous 2 hours of > flying. > > Detailed Report: > > After fueling in Vernal (VEL) I took off for Heber City (36U). About 15 > minutes into the flight I noticed that the engine was not running right. A > quick > check of the gauges confirmed that the fuel pressure was very low. Moments > after > that the engine quit. I was about 2500' AGL so I had some time to find a > place to land and time to work the problem. Once I determined that I had > some > suitable landing sites I began to go through the restart procedures. I > began using > the primer, set to the manifold position (turned to the left) to pump fuel > to > the carburetor. Bingo the engine relit. Although it would only run when > the > fuel was pumped it was running well enough to get me to the nearest > airport. I > continued to pump fuel to the carburetor until I had the airport made. I > landed successfully and to my amazement the engine was running on it's own > as I > taxied off. > > I now found myself at the most remote airport location (Duchenese, UT. > (U69)) > I have ever been. Although they had a self-serve pump there was not a soul > in > site. One Quonset hut and one small hangar were the only facilities around > for several miles. As I shut down the engine and took an assessment of my > situation I began to notice the sound of running water on pavement. I > quickly got > out of the cockpit to find a steady stream of 100LL coming from the fuel > drain. > Well, I now knew where my problem was. I was able to stop the flow of fuel > using the emergency fuel shut off. I tightened the valve applied some > safety wire > (always, always take a small repair kit with you on the road) and was back > on > my way. > > Conclusions: > > When the valve unscrewed itself the engine began to suck air into the > system. > The resulting loss of pressure caused the engine to fail. Using the primer > created enough pressure to the engine that it would run for short periods > of > time. Once on the ground and at idle the engine requires very minimal fuel > pressure to sustain idle power. That is I guess, why the engine ran fine > once at > idle power. Luckily there was no fire either in the air or on the ground. > > Recommendations: > > 1. Everyone please make sure this valve is safetied. > > 2. Don't panic, Find a place to land then, as long as there's altitude and > time to do so work the problem using your checklist. You do have some sort > of > memorized procedure for this situation don't you? > > 3. Without my GPS's Goto/Nearest feature I would have most likely put the > Yak > in a nice field for repairs instead of an airport runway. This is one > valuable tool that no one should be without. > > 4. Always, Always carry the basic tools necessary to make enroute repairs > on > a cross country, especially when you are a single ship. Without my tool > kit I > would have been stuck until the Calvary arrived. > > 5. If you don't file a flight plan like me, make sure someone knows your > route of flight and your ETA. I had notified Skip of my proposed ETA. If > something > worse would have happened at least someone would know that I was not OK > and > could have started the SAR effort. > > 6. I am not one for hiding my mistakes. If this bit of info helps the next > guy then it was worth every bit of embarrassment in telling my story. I > hope you > will return the favor should you be so lucky to have something like this > happen to you. > > Fly Safe, have a plan, and think like a professional. > > Scott McMillan Yak-52 > > PS The next round is on me. > > >


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    Time: 05:34:42 AM PST US
    From: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
    Subject: Re: Way too Lean
    --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com> Yeh, It'll soon be like the UCAV's in the AF. Hell, I could sit in the safety of my own home and terrorize the residents of Lake Mitchell without even leaving the CAB. Those power lines on the low level up the Coosa River would not even be an issue. Somebody else would loose power and I would have to build another ARF. Hum, RC....been there done that. Fun but not nearly as much fun! Doc > [Original Message] > From: A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com> > To: <yak-list@matronics.com> > Date: 7/12/2005 6:34:15 AM > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Way too Lean > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com> > > Doc, > Even if you could find a 9 cylinder CHT, you'd have to get very creative on > finding a location to install it. Now if you could install one with a > single, round 57 mm (2 1/4") instrument with a 9 position rotary switch, > that may work. What the heck Doc, you need more "stuff" in your cockpit > anyway! -) > Dennis > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com> > To: <yak-list@matronics.com> > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Way too Lean > > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com> > > > > On the exhaust or did you mean the intake (manifold)? I have to > > periodically inspect my AN fittings because they will loosen up over time > > resulting in a rougher running engine. With them being loose, it leans out > > the bottom 3 cylinders. If I had a CHT probe on the bottom cylinders, then > > I should expect to see an increase in the CHT when the intake is left > > open. > > Hum, to CHT all 9 or stay with Stock Russian design? > > Doc > > > > > >> [Original Message] > >> From: Jon Boede <jon@email.net> > >> To: <yak-list@matronics.com> > >> Date: 7/11/2005 5:12:16 PM > >> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Way too Lean > >> > >> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net> > >> > >> My CJ has the drains on the exhaust pipes tapped with an 1/8" pipe > >> fitting > >> to flexible hose into a block... the drains themselves break. > >> > >> Jon > >> > >> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp" > > <viperdoc@mindspring.com> > >> > > >> > Ernie, > >> > I put two buckets on the floor too. Along with opening the intake > >> > drain. > >> > Works even better that way to stave off the Hydralick Lock Monster. > >> > Doc > >> > > >> > > >> >> [Original Message] > >> >> From: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com> > >> >> To: <yak-list@matronics.com> > >> >> Date: 7/11/2005 3:29:22 PM > >> >> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Way too Lean > >> >> > >> >> --> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com> > >> >> > >> >> I put 2 buckets on the floor under the exhaust pipes. Very reliable. > >> >> > >> >> Ernie > >> >> > >> >> On 7/11/05, Cpayne <cpayne@joimail.com> wrote: > >> >> > --> Yak-List message posted by: Cpayne <cpayne@joimail.com> > >> >> > > >> >> > "The welding around the stem where the clean-kit connects to the > >> >> intake > >> >> > manifold" > >> >> > > >> >> > Welding? Whose kit is that? I make my own drains by just tapping the > >> > plugs for AN fittings and then use hose. Both Huosai and M-14. Works > > fine, > >> > lasts a long time. Cheap too! > >> >> > > >> >> > Craig Payne > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 05:40:28 AM PST US
    From: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
    Subject: Fw: Issues amongst friends
    --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com> Thanks for the feedback. We have to stand togather to defeat this zealotry or divided we will all perish. Doc > [Original Message] > From: Mike Fagan <sashalee@iafrica.com> > To: <yak-list@matronics.com> > Date: 7/12/2005 3:21:18 AM > Subject: Yak-List: Fw: Issues amongst friends > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mike Fagan" <sashalee@iafrica.com> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Fagan" <sashalee@iafrica.com> > To: <yak-list@matronics.com> > Subject: Issues amongst friends > > > > Hi there Doc > > > > It is excellent that issues of greater significance get addressed on a > list > > like this... This is in essence a forum for people of common interest. The > > common interest being Yak Aircraft.. It would be ridiculous to suggest > that > > we are so mindedly narrow that we are unable as "friends" to discuss and > > share broader interest topics, especially topics which are so pertinent in > > this time.. > > > > Thus to Doc, I say strength to your arm.! > > > > Go and make disciples of all nations! > > > > Introduce them to the True God of the Bible > > > > Show them the Unconditional Love of the Father.. > > > > Go for it! > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com> > > To: "yak-list" <yak-list@matronics.com> > > Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 4:34 PM > > Subject: Yak-List: Our British Friends > > > > > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp" > <viperdoc@mindspring.com> > > > > > > KP, > > > I respect your none religious preference in this life. However, in your > > next life you will certainly regret that choice. I will pray for your > sole. > > > Now as to the terrorist, they are exactly what they are barbarian > > murderers! Their ideology lies in their religion! This all arose out of > the > > hatred two brothers had for each other. The sons of Abraham (who was a > very > > religious man). Two distinct tribes evolved into Nations. Those two > nations > > are now locked in a biter fight for survival, each sworn to annilate the > > other. One has moderated under the western pressure. The other has been > > impowered under the western pressure. > > > Incidently, both scriptures predicted this struggle for survival. Even a > > few drunken monks hallucinating on the 11 and 12th century on the > equivalent > > of morphine envisioned this. > > > We now have the 1st "ISM" of the 21st century. This ISM is lead by the > > zealotry of the Radical Mullahs. Iran and Saudia Arabia are the primary > > seats, but the ideology has infected all of the middle east and far east. > > Your own countries tolerance of the radical mullahs calling for the deaths > > of the infidels by any means has helped to feed this movement. We in each > > of our respective countries are all to blame for this fiasco! But, more > so, > > it is Radical Mullahs that stand in their communities spewing hatred in > the > > name of religion. It is all aimed at irradicating the "none believer > > (infidel)" from the face of this world. You, sir agnostic or not, are in > > their eyes are not worthy of living. If they get control of this world you > > will die! Now you can convert to Islam and live for they are the only ones > > that are to be left living after the "Third Jihad!" Guess when the third > > Jihad is...NOW! > > > My religion, Christianity, does not call for the death of the non > > believer. Now,before you imediately retort with oh, but you have killed in > > the name of religion. True, their are misguided people on both sides of > this > > issue. > > > The problem is as Winston Churchill stated in the face of the other Isms > > of the 20th century, "we shall prevail." If your want to see you blond > > haired, blued eyed daughters not become sex slaves and your sons > (infidels) > > not be beheaded, we have to fight! In what ever name you wish to call it, > > but the Radical Mullahs (and hence their followers) have to be defeated. > > Words of pacifism will only fuel their fire! Yes, we have to deliver > > devestating blows to their respective nations that house these vermin! > > Borders have to be ignored. They can be given no place of refuge (country > or > > cave)! /by what ever name you wish to call, this is a World War. > > > Doc > > > > > > > > > Roger "Doc" Kemp > > > viperdoc@mindspring.com > > > If it don't sound Round...Why listen? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 06:44:16 AM PST US
    From: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Way too Lean
    --> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com> JPI makes the EDM-900 a 9 cylinder EGT/CHT GEM. Ernie On 7/12/05, Roger Doc Kemp <viperdoc@mindspring.com> wrote: > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com> > > Yeh, It'll soon be like the UCAV's in the AF. Hell, I could sit in the > safety of my own home and terrorize the residents of Lake Mitchell without > even leaving the CAB. Those power lines on the low level up the Coosa River > would not even be an issue. Somebody else would loose power and I would > have to build another ARF. Hum, RC....been there done that. Fun but not > nearly as much fun! > Doc > > > > [Original Message] > > From: A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com> > > To: <yak-list@matronics.com> > > Date: 7/12/2005 6:34:15 AM > > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Way too Lean > > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" > <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com> > > > > Doc, > > Even if you could find a 9 cylinder CHT, you'd have to get very creative > on > > finding a location to install it. Now if you could install one with a > > single, round 57 mm (2 1/4") instrument with a 9 position rotary switch, > > that may work. What the heck Doc, you need more "stuff" in your cockpit > > anyway! -) > > Dennis > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com> > > To: <yak-list@matronics.com> > > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Way too Lean > > > > > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp" > <viperdoc@mindspring.com> > > > > > > On the exhaust or did you mean the intake (manifold)? I have to > > > periodically inspect my AN fittings because they will loosen up over > time > > > resulting in a rougher running engine. With them being loose, it leans > out > > > the bottom 3 cylinders. If I had a CHT probe on the bottom cylinders, > then > > > I should expect to see an increase in the CHT when the intake is left > > > open. > > > Hum, to CHT all 9 or stay with Stock Russian design? > > > Doc > > > > > > > > >> [Original Message] > > >> From: Jon Boede <jon@email.net> > > >> To: <yak-list@matronics.com> > > >> Date: 7/11/2005 5:12:16 PM > > >> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Way too Lean > > >> > > >> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net> > > >> > > >> My CJ has the drains on the exhaust pipes tapped with an 1/8" pipe > > >> fitting > > >> to flexible hose into a block... the drains themselves break. > > >> > > >> Jon > > >> > > >> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp" > > > <viperdoc@mindspring.com> > > >> > > > >> > Ernie, > > >> > I put two buckets on the floor too. Along with opening the intake > > >> > drain. > > >> > Works even better that way to stave off the Hydralick Lock Monster. > > >> > Doc > > >> > > > >> > > > >> >> [Original Message] > > >> >> From: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com> > > >> >> To: <yak-list@matronics.com> > > >> >> Date: 7/11/2005 3:29:22 PM > > >> >> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Way too Lean > > >> >> > > >> >> --> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com> > > >> >> > > >> >> I put 2 buckets on the floor under the exhaust pipes. Very reliable. > > >> >> > > >> >> Ernie > > >> >> > > >> >> On 7/11/05, Cpayne <cpayne@joimail.com> wrote: > > >> >> > --> Yak-List message posted by: Cpayne <cpayne@joimail.com> > > >> >> > > > >> >> > "The welding around the stem where the clean-kit connects to the > > >> >> intake > > >> >> > manifold" > > >> >> > > > >> >> > Welding? Whose kit is that? I make my own drains by just tapping > the > > >> > plugs for AN fittings and then use hose. Both Huosai and M-14. Works > > > fine, > > >> > lasts a long time. Cheap too! > > >> >> > > > >> >> > Craig Payne > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 09:22:03 AM PST US
    From: Herb Coussons <drc@wscare.com>
    Subject: OSH GIB's
    --> Yak-List message posted by: Herb Coussons <drc@wscare.com> So far I have 21 planes 26 RPA folks ... and 1 GIB !! Surely more are bringing a GIB. If you have registered and are bringing a GIB email me or reply to this message. Herb drc@wscare.com


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    Time: 09:42:00 AM PST US
    Subject: OSH GIB's
    From: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
    --> Yak-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com> Herb, as you know I am a GIB which I am planning to serve Ground Ops or Air Ops since my pilot is with CJ-6 sitting at home in Oregon. Hal is flying out Commercial to GRB where I will pick him up on Tuesday. I am assuming he will take advantage of your RV, socialize with the boys and find his way into a cockpit or two. Would make since, if Hal has not registered as a GIB to ping him on his intent. Elizabeth and I have written and I await her plans on arrival. Let me know if there is more I can bring or do. I will be there Friday AM. John -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Herb Coussons Subject: Yak-List: OSH GIB's --> Yak-List message posted by: Herb Coussons <drc@wscare.com> So far I have 21 planes 26 RPA folks ... and 1 GIB !! Surely more are bringing a GIB. If you have registered and are bringing a GIB email me or reply to this message. Herb drc@wscare.com


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    Time: 10:05:15 AM PST US
    From: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
    Subject: Re: Way too Lean
    --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com> Ernie, Who has one in a Yak or CJ? Is it worth the expense and headaches of running all the wiring/drilling holes in the exhaust manifolds ect? Or is it TMFI? (to much freeking information that I can't do crap about because I can't lean or richen the mixture)? But, as I said, it would have caught the Temps going up on #5,#6,and #7 when the intake drain was left open. Now having said that and having had the experience of leaving that #*@%! thing open a time or two, you pretty well know what it is just from the seat of your pants. Doc > [Original Message] > From: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com> > To: <yak-list@matronics.com> > Date: 7/12/2005 8:43:28 AM > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Way too Lean > > --> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com> > > JPI makes the EDM-900 a 9 cylinder EGT/CHT GEM. > > Ernie > > On 7/12/05, Roger Doc Kemp <viperdoc@mindspring.com> wrote: > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com> > > > > Yeh, It'll soon be like the UCAV's in the AF. Hell, I could sit in the > > safety of my own home and terrorize the residents of Lake Mitchell without > > even leaving the CAB. Those power lines on the low level up the Coosa River > > would not even be an issue. Somebody else would loose power and I would > > have to build another ARF. Hum, RC....been there done that. Fun but not > > nearly as much fun! > > Doc > > > > > > > [Original Message] > > > From: A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com> > > > To: <yak-list@matronics.com> > > > Date: 7/12/2005 6:34:15 AM > > > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Way too Lean > > > > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" > > <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com> > > > > > > Doc, > > > Even if you could find a 9 cylinder CHT, you'd have to get very creative > > on > > > finding a location to install it. Now if you could install one with a > > > single, round 57 mm (2 1/4") instrument with a 9 position rotary switch, > > > that may work. What the heck Doc, you need more "stuff" in your cockpit > > > anyway! -) > > > Dennis > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com> > > > To: <yak-list@matronics.com> > > > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Way too Lean > > > > > > > > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp" > > <viperdoc@mindspring.com> > > > > > > > > On the exhaust or did you mean the intake (manifold)? I have to > > > > periodically inspect my AN fittings because they will loosen up over > > time > > > > resulting in a rougher running engine. With them being loose, it leans > > out > > > > the bottom 3 cylinders. If I had a CHT probe on the bottom cylinders, > > then > > > > I should expect to see an increase in the CHT when the intake is left > > > > open. > > > > Hum, to CHT all 9 or stay with Stock Russian design? > > > > Doc > > > > > > > > > > > >> [Original Message] > > > >> From: Jon Boede <jon@email.net> > > > >> To: <yak-list@matronics.com> > > > >> Date: 7/11/2005 5:12:16 PM > > > >> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Way too Lean > > > >> > > > >> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net> > > > >> > > > >> My CJ has the drains on the exhaust pipes tapped with an 1/8" pipe > > > >> fitting > > > >> to flexible hose into a block... the drains themselves break. > > > >> > > > >> Jon > > > >> > > > >> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp" > > > > <viperdoc@mindspring.com> > > > >> > > > > >> > Ernie, > > > >> > I put two buckets on the floor too. Along with opening the intake > > > >> > drain. > > > >> > Works even better that way to stave off the Hydralick Lock Monster. > > > >> > Doc > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> >> [Original Message] > > > >> >> From: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com> > > > >> >> To: <yak-list@matronics.com> > > > >> >> Date: 7/11/2005 3:29:22 PM > > > >> >> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Way too Lean > > > >> >> > > > >> >> --> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> I put 2 buckets on the floor under the exhaust pipes. Very reliable. > > > >> >> > > > >> >> Ernie > > > >> >> > > > >> >> On 7/11/05, Cpayne <cpayne@joimail.com> wrote: > > > >> >> > --> Yak-List message posted by: Cpayne <cpayne@joimail.com> > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > "The welding around the stem where the clean-kit connects to the > > > >> >> intake > > > >> >> > manifold" > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > Welding? Whose kit is that? I make my own drains by just tapping > > the > > > >> > plugs for AN fittings and then use hose. Both Huosai and M-14. Works > > > > fine, > > > >> > lasts a long time. Cheap too! > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > Craig Payne > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 11:22:35 AM PST US
    From: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Way too Lean
    --> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com> If I had the disposable income I would definately put it in mine. I think Sam Sax has one in his. You dont need to stare at it, once you recognise your engines signature pattern, a quick glance will let you know if something is amiss. I have a GEM in my Forked Tail Dr killer, and I use it during run up. When you perform your mag check, egts should rise on all cylinders when either mag is swtiched off. If you dont see a rise in a particular cylinder, then you may have a fouled plug. The JPI unit also offers as options, an RPM guage, and a fuel flow sensor, which can be used to then derive % of HP. Ernie On 7/12/05, Roger Doc Kemp <viperdoc@mindspring.com> wrote: > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com> > > Ernie, > Who has one in a Yak or CJ? Is it worth the expense and headaches of > running all the wiring/drilling holes in the exhaust manifolds ect? Or is > it TMFI? (to much freeking information that I can't do crap about because I > can't lean or richen the mixture)? But, as I said, it would have caught the > Temps going up on #5,#6,and #7 when the intake drain was left open. Now > having said that and having had the experience of leaving that #*@%! thing > open a time or two, you pretty well know what it is just from the seat of > your pants. > Doc > > > > [Original Message] > > From: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com> > > To: <yak-list@matronics.com> > > Date: 7/12/2005 8:43:28 AM > > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Way too Lean > > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com> > > > > JPI makes the EDM-900 a 9 cylinder EGT/CHT GEM. > > > > Ernie > > > > On 7/12/05, Roger Doc Kemp <viperdoc@mindspring.com> wrote: > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp" > <viperdoc@mindspring.com> > > > > > > Yeh, It'll soon be like the UCAV's in the AF. Hell, I could sit in the > > > safety of my own home and terrorize the residents of Lake Mitchell > without > > > even leaving the CAB. Those power lines on the low level up the Coosa > River > > > would not even be an issue. Somebody else would loose power and I would > > > have to build another ARF. Hum, RC....been there done that. Fun but not > > > nearly as much fun! > > > Doc > > > > > > > > > > [Original Message] > > > > From: A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com> > > > > To: <yak-list@matronics.com> > > > > Date: 7/12/2005 6:34:15 AM > > > > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Way too Lean > > > > > > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" > > > <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com> > > > > > > > > Doc, > > > > Even if you could find a 9 cylinder CHT, you'd have to get very > creative > > > on > > > > finding a location to install it. Now if you could install one with a > > > > single, round 57 mm (2 1/4") instrument with a 9 position rotary > switch, > > > > that may work. What the heck Doc, you need more "stuff" in your > cockpit > > > > anyway! -) > > > > Dennis > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com> > > > > To: <yak-list@matronics.com> > > > > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Way too Lean > > > > > > > > > > > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp" > > > <viperdoc@mindspring.com> > > > > > > > > > > On the exhaust or did you mean the intake (manifold)? I have to > > > > > periodically inspect my AN fittings because they will loosen up over > > > time > > > > > resulting in a rougher running engine. With them being loose, it > leans > > > out > > > > > the bottom 3 cylinders. If I had a CHT probe on the bottom > cylinders, > > > then > > > > > I should expect to see an increase in the CHT when the intake is > left > > > > > open. > > > > > Hum, to CHT all 9 or stay with Stock Russian design? > > > > > Doc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> [Original Message] > > > > >> From: Jon Boede <jon@email.net> > > > > >> To: <yak-list@matronics.com> > > > > >> Date: 7/11/2005 5:12:16 PM > > > > >> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Way too Lean > > > > >> > > > > >> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net> > > > > >> > > > > >> My CJ has the drains on the exhaust pipes tapped with an 1/8" pipe > > > > >> fitting > > > > >> to flexible hose into a block... the drains themselves break. > > > > >> > > > > >> Jon > > > > >> > > > > >> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp" > > > > > <viperdoc@mindspring.com> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Ernie, > > > > >> > I put two buckets on the floor too. Along with opening the intake > > > > >> > drain. > > > > >> > Works even better that way to stave off the Hydralick Lock > Monster. > > > > >> > Doc > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> >> [Original Message] > > > > >> >> From: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com> > > > > >> >> To: <yak-list@matronics.com> > > > > >> >> Date: 7/11/2005 3:29:22 PM > > > > >> >> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Way too Lean > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> --> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez > <erniel29@gmail.com> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> I put 2 buckets on the floor under the exhaust pipes. Very > reliable. > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> Ernie > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> On 7/11/05, Cpayne <cpayne@joimail.com> wrote: > > > > >> >> > --> Yak-List message posted by: Cpayne <cpayne@joimail.com> > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > "The welding around the stem where the clean-kit connects to > the > > > > >> >> intake > > > > >> >> > manifold" > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > Welding? Whose kit is that? I make my own drains by just > tapping > > > the > > > > >> > plugs for AN fittings and then use hose. Both Huosai and M-14. > Works > > > > > fine, > > > > >> > lasts a long time. Cheap too! > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > Craig Payne > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 11:48:27 AM PST US
    From: "Samuel Sax" <cd001633@mindspring.com>
    Subject: Re: Way too Lean
    --> Yak-List message posted by: "Samuel Sax" <cd001633@mindspring.com> Yes, I do have the EDM 700-9C EGT/CHT unit in my CJ for the past four years. Works flawlessly and I've added the Fuel Flow Fuel computer option (there are other options as well). In my mind, at least, this is a great investment and a terrifically useful instrument. Ernie is correct stating that one needs not "study" the instrument in flight (unless you have time to look in); a glance is sufficient to get a 'picture' of the EGT and CHT pattern. If any of the temps rise above your previously set value, that cylinder's column begins to blink getting your attention real quick... They have newer models now that give you several additional parameter monitoring options including horsepower... FWIW Sam Sax Miami, FL -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ernest Martinez Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Way too Lean --> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com> If I had the disposable income I would definately put it in mine. I think Sam Sax has one in his. You dont need to stare at it, once you recognise your engines signature pattern, a quick glance will let you know if something is amiss. I have a GEM in my Forked Tail Dr killer, and I use it during run up. When you perform your mag check, egts should rise on all cylinders when either mag is swtiched off. If you dont see a rise in a particular cylinder, then you may have a fouled plug. The JPI unit also offers as options, an RPM guage, and a fuel flow sensor, which can be used to then derive % of HP. Ernie On 7/12/05, Roger Doc Kemp <viperdoc@mindspring.com> wrote: > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com> > > Ernie, > Who has one in a Yak or CJ? Is it worth the expense and headaches of > running all the wiring/drilling holes in the exhaust manifolds ect? Or is > it TMFI? (to much freeking information that I can't do crap about because I > can't lean or richen the mixture)? But, as I said, it would have caught the > Temps going up on #5,#6,and #7 when the intake drain was left open. Now > having said that and having had the experience of leaving that #*@%! thing > open a time or two, you pretty well know what it is just from the seat of > your pants. > Doc > > > > [Original Message] > > From: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com> > > To: <yak-list@matronics.com> > > Date: 7/12/2005 8:43:28 AM > > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Way too Lean > > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com> > > > > JPI makes the EDM-900 a 9 cylinder EGT/CHT GEM. > > > > Ernie > > > > On 7/12/05, Roger Doc Kemp <viperdoc@mindspring.com> wrote: > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp" > <viperdoc@mindspring.com> > > > > > > Yeh, It'll soon be like the UCAV's in the AF. Hell, I could sit in the > > > safety of my own home and terrorize the residents of Lake Mitchell > without > > > even leaving the CAB. Those power lines on the low level up the Coosa > River > > > would not even be an issue. Somebody else would loose power and I would > > > have to build another ARF. Hum, RC....been there done that. Fun but not > > > nearly as much fun! > > > Doc > > > > > > > > > > [Original Message] > > > > From: A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com> > > > > To: <yak-list@matronics.com> > > > > Date: 7/12/2005 6:34:15 AM > > > > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Way too Lean > > > > > > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" > > > <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com> > > > > > > > > Doc, > > > > Even if you could find a 9 cylinder CHT, you'd have to get very > creative > > > on > > > > finding a location to install it. Now if you could install one with a > > > > single, round 57 mm (2 1/4") instrument with a 9 position rotary > switch, > > > > that may work. What the heck Doc, you need more "stuff" in your > cockpit > > > > anyway! -) > > > > Dennis > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com> > > > > To: <yak-list@matronics.com> > > > > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Way too Lean > > > > > > > > > > > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp" > > > <viperdoc@mindspring.com> > > > > > > > > > > On the exhaust or did you mean the intake (manifold)? I have to > > > > > periodically inspect my AN fittings because they will loosen up over > > > time > > > > > resulting in a rougher running engine. With them being loose, it > leans > > > out > > > > > the bottom 3 cylinders. If I had a CHT probe on the bottom > cylinders, > > > then > > > > > I should expect to see an increase in the CHT when the intake is > left > > > > > open. > > > > > Hum, to CHT all 9 or stay with Stock Russian design? > > > > > Doc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> [Original Message] > > > > >> From: Jon Boede <jon@email.net> > > > > >> To: <yak-list@matronics.com> > > > > >> Date: 7/11/2005 5:12:16 PM > > > > >> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Way too Lean > > > > >> > > > > >> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net> > > > > >> > > > > >> My CJ has the drains on the exhaust pipes tapped with an 1/8" pipe > > > > >> fitting > > > > >> to flexible hose into a block... the drains themselves break. > > > > >> > > > > >> Jon > > > > >> > > > > >> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp" > > > > > <viperdoc@mindspring.com> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Ernie, > > > > >> > I put two buckets on the floor too. Along with opening the intake > > > > >> > drain. > > > > >> > Works even better that way to stave off the Hydralick Lock > Monster. > > > > >> > Doc > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> >> [Original Message] > > > > >> >> From: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com> > > > > >> >> To: <yak-list@matronics.com> > > > > >> >> Date: 7/11/2005 3:29:22 PM > > > > >> >> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Way too Lean > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> --> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez > <erniel29@gmail.com> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> I put 2 buckets on the floor under the exhaust pipes. Very > reliable. > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> Ernie > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> On 7/11/05, Cpayne <cpayne@joimail.com> wrote: > > > > >> >> > --> Yak-List message posted by: Cpayne <cpayne@joimail.com> > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > "The welding around the stem where the clean-kit connects to > the > > > > >> >> intake > > > > >> >> > manifold" > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > Welding? Whose kit is that? I make my own drains by just > tapping > > > the > > > > >> > plugs for AN fittings and then use hose. Both Huosai and M-14. > Works > > > > > fine, > > > > >> > lasts a long time. Cheap too! > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > Craig Payne > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 12:09:43 PM PST US
    From: ByronMFox@aol.com
    Subject: Going to OSH/MTW?
    --> Yak-List message posted by: ByronMFox@aol.com RPA Board Members, Regional Coordinators & National Event Staff. If you intend to attend OSH/MTW this month, please contact me off list. Thanks, Blitz Byron M Fox The RPA Store 80 Milland Drive Mill Valley, CA 94941 415-307-2405 Cell Days 415-380-0907 Home Eves


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    Time: 12:22:26 PM PST US
    From: Roger Baker <f4ffm2@adelphia.net>
    Subject: Yesterdays Yak list
    --> Yak-List message posted by: Roger Baker <f4ffm2@adelphia.net> Yesterdays' Yak List was, in large part, a fine example of this forum at its' WORST. Many postings about subjects with no direct relationship to airplanes of any type. I deal with such subjects in other areas of my life and do not wish to see them here. The person who so savagely attacked the fellow who mentioned he was a non-believer, an atheist; was way off base. The attacker (for it was certainly a vicious personal attack) may be a legend in his own mind...but he certainly is not a god and has no right to behave as one....certainly on this forum. I was personally amazed and offended by his comments. I hope to not see such unreasoning venom again on this list. On to another subject.....Doc Kemp, I reckon (as they say back home) that you are a neat guy and would be fun to fly with and to hang out with. I have two things to say that involve you, if you don't mind. First, you can pray for my sole if you like (my sole being the bottom of my foot or the lower part of my shoe)...but I don't think it will do much good. The other thing is that (my apology for using you as my example...for you are not the "sole" sinner here) there are several posters to this list who, when they want to comment on a subject being discussed on the list, merely press "reply" and type in their posting and send it to the list. This procedure results in the entire thread being re-posted time and time again. That gets pretty tiresome. It certainly badly effects the experience of reading the Yak List. Doc, thanks for not being offended. But, it really would be nice to not see all those long strings reprinted. My 2 cents worth (for, I hope, this year), Roger Baker


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    Time: 12:40:32 PM PST US
    From: "Ira Saligman" <isaligman@saligman.com>
    Subject: Reno
    --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ira Saligman" <isaligman@saligman.com> Is anyone going to Reno? Ira Saligman o 610 225 8421 c 610 324 5500 f 215 243 7699 <mailto:isaligman@saligman.com> isaligman@saligman.com


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    Time: 12:52:30 PM PST US
    From: Bill Mills <bill.mills@totaltec.com>
    Subject: Yesterdays Yak list
    --> Yak-List message posted by: Bill Mills <bill.mills@totaltec.com> Folks, Let's please get over all of this and get back to the subject that we ALL find passion in........airplanes of the RED Star! Let's remember that it is the products of our "former enemies" that fuels our passion for today. These times too will pass.....eventually! In the mean time, I move to "move on"!!!! Bill Mills CJ-6N "86" " Because I fly.... I envy no man" -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Baker Subject: Yak-List: Yesterdays Yak list --> Yak-List message posted by: Roger Baker <f4ffm2@adelphia.net> Yesterdays' Yak List was, in large part, a fine example of this forum at its' WORST. Many postings about subjects with no direct relationship to airplanes of any type. I deal with such subjects in other areas of my life and do not wish to see them here. The person who so savagely attacked the fellow who mentioned he was a non-believer, an atheist; was way off base. The attacker (for it was certainly a vicious personal attack) may be a legend in his own mind...but he certainly is not a god and has no right to behave as one....certainly on this forum. I was personally amazed and offended by his comments. I hope to not see such unreasoning venom again on this list. On to another subject.....Doc Kemp, I reckon (as they say back home) that you are a neat guy and would be fun to fly with and to hang out with. I have two things to say that involve you, if you don't mind. First, you can pray for my sole if you like (my sole being the bottom of my foot or the lower part of my shoe)...but I don't think it will do much good. The other thing is that (my apology for using you as my example...for you are not the "sole" sinner here) there are several posters to this list who, when they want to comment on a subject being discussed on the list, merely press "reply" and type in their posting and send it to the list. This procedure results in the entire thread being re-posted time and time again. That gets pretty tiresome. It certainly badly effects the experience of reading the Yak List. Doc, thanks for not being offended. But, it really would be nice to not see all those long strings reprinted. My 2 cents worth (for, I hope, this year), Roger Baker This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. 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Nothing in this e-mail message is intended to constitute an e-signature, nor does the content hereof create a binding offer or contract. <!DOCTYPE=20HTML=20PUBLIC=20"-//W3C//DTD=20HTML=203.2//EN"> <META=20NAME"Generator"=20CONTENT"MS=20Exchange=20Server=20version=205.5.2658.2"> RE:=20Yak-List:=20Yesterdays=20Yak=20list Folks, Let's=20please=20get=20over=20all=20of=20this=20and=20get=20back=20to=20the=20subject=20that=20we=20ALL=20find=20passion=20in........airplanes=20of=20the=20RED=20Star!=20Let's=20remember=20that=20it=20is=20the=20products=20of=20our=20former=20enemies=20that=20fuels=20our=20passion=20for=20today. These=20times=20too=20will=20pass.....eventually!=20In=20the=20mean=20time,=20I=20move=20to=20move=20on!!!! 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The=20person=20who=20so=20savagely=20attacked=20the=20fellow=20who=20mentioned=20he=20was=20a non-believer,=20an=20atheist;=20was=20way=20off=20base.=20The=20attacker=20(for=20it=20was certainly=20a=20vicious=20personal=20attack)=20may=20be=20a=20legend=20in=20his=20own mind...but=20he=20certainly=20is=20not=20a=20god=20and=20has=20no=20right=20to=20behave=20as one....certainly=20on=20this=20forum.=20I=20was=20personally=20amazed=20and=20offended by=20his=20comments.=20I=20hope=20to=20not=20see=20such=20unreasoning=20venom=20again=20on this=20list. On=20to=20another=20subject.....Doc=20Kemp,=20I=20reckon=20(as=20they=20say=20back=20home) that=20you=20are=20a=20neat=20guy=20and=20would=20be=20fun=20to=20fly=20with=20and=20to=20hang=20out with.=20I=20have=20two=20things=20to=20say=20that=20involve=20you,=20if=20you=20don't=20mind. First,=20you=20can=20pray=20for=20my=20sole=20if=20you=20like=20(my=20sole=20being=20the=20bottom of=20my=20foot=20or=20the=20lower=20part=20of=20my=20shoe)...but=20I=20don't=20think=20it=20will=20do much=20good.=20The=20other=20thing=20is=20that=20(my=20apology=20for=20using=20you=20as=20my example...for=20you=20are=20not=20the=20sole=20sinner=20here)=20there=20are=20several posters=20to=20this=20list=20who,=20when=20they=20want=20to=20comment=20on=20a=20subject=20being discussed=20on=20the=20list,=20merely=20press=20reply=20and=20type=20in=20their=20posting and=20send=20it=20to=20the=20list.=20This=20procedure=20results=20in=20the=20entire=20thread being=20re-posted=20time=20and=20time=20again.=20That=20gets=20pretty=20tiresome.=20It certainly=20badly=20effects=20the=20experience=20of=20reading=20the=20Yak=20List.=20Doc, thanks=20for=20not=20being=20offended.=20But,=20it=20really=20would=20be=20nice=20to=20not=20see all=20those=20long=20strings=20reprinted. 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    Time: 02:35:59 PM PST US
    From: Roger Kemp <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
    Subject: Re: Way too Lean
    --> Yak-List message posted by: Roger Kemp <viperdoc@mindspring.com> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Way too Lean --> Yak-List message posted by: "Samuel Sax" <cd001633@mindspring.com> Yes, I do have the EDM 700-9C EGT/CHT unit in my CJ for the past four years. Sam, How much trouble was it to add all the hardware and wiring to the CJ? You have a little more panel space than I do in the YAK. Is there anyone out there that has one in a YAK? If so can you send me a picture off line. So we do not clutter the list. To the offended posting: Yes, I did spell "soul" wrong and no offense taken. Yes, we must move on, but we can never forget. For if we do, we are bound to repeat our mistakes. For now we do enjoy the spoils of winning the cold war. There are others out there there would like do the same to us and they wear rags on their heads. So be vigilant and fly safe. Remember.....IF IT DOES NOT SOUND ROUND....WHY LISTEN! Doc


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    Time: 03:02:53 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Way too Lean
    From: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net>
    --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net> Brian made the comment once that all that information isn't all that interesting unless you're diagnosing a problem. About every 100 hours (about 3 times a year) something comes up where it'd be useful to see what's up. Jon > --> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com> > > JPI makes the EDM-900 a 9 cylinder EGT/CHT GEM. > > Ernie > > On 7/12/05, Roger Doc Kemp <viperdoc@mindspring.com> wrote: >> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp" >> <viperdoc@mindspring.com> >> >> Yeh, It'll soon be like the UCAV's in the AF. Hell, I could sit in the >> safety of my own home and terrorize the residents of Lake Mitchell >> without >> even leaving the CAB. Those power lines on the low level up the Coosa >> River >> would not even be an issue. Somebody else would loose power and I would >> have to build another ARF. Hum, RC....been there done that. Fun but not >> nearly as much fun! >> Doc >> >> >> > [Original Message] >> > From: A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com> >> > To: <yak-list@matronics.com> >> > Date: 7/12/2005 6:34:15 AM >> > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Way too Lean >> > >> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" >> <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com> >> > >> > Doc, >> > Even if you could find a 9 cylinder CHT, you'd have to get very >> creative >> on >> > finding a location to install it. Now if you could install one with a >> > single, round 57 mm (2 1/4") instrument with a 9 position rotary >> switch, >> > that may work. What the heck Doc, you need more "stuff" in your >> cockpit >> > anyway! -) >> > Dennis >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com> >> > To: <yak-list@matronics.com> >> > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Way too Lean >> > >> > >> > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp" >> <viperdoc@mindspring.com> >> > > >> > > On the exhaust or did you mean the intake (manifold)? I have to >> > > periodically inspect my AN fittings because they will loosen up over >> time >> > > resulting in a rougher running engine. With them being loose, it >> leans >> out >> > > the bottom 3 cylinders. If I had a CHT probe on the bottom >> cylinders, >> then >> > > I should expect to see an increase in the CHT when the intake is >> left >> > > open. >> > > Hum, to CHT all 9 or stay with Stock Russian design? >> > > Doc >> > > >> > > >> > >> [Original Message] >> > >> From: Jon Boede <jon@email.net> >> > >> To: <yak-list@matronics.com> >> > >> Date: 7/11/2005 5:12:16 PM >> > >> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Way too Lean >> > >> >> > >> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net> >> > >> >> > >> My CJ has the drains on the exhaust pipes tapped with an 1/8" pipe >> > >> fitting >> > >> to flexible hose into a block... the drains themselves break. >> > >> >> > >> Jon >> > >> >> > >> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp" >> > > <viperdoc@mindspring.com> >> > >> > >> > >> > Ernie, >> > >> > I put two buckets on the floor too. Along with opening the intake >> > >> > drain. >> > >> > Works even better that way to stave off the Hydralick Lock >> Monster. >> > >> > Doc >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> [Original Message] >> > >> >> From: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com> >> > >> >> To: <yak-list@matronics.com> >> > >> >> Date: 7/11/2005 3:29:22 PM >> > >> >> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Way too Lean >> > >> >> >> > >> >> --> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez >> <erniel29@gmail.com> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> I put 2 buckets on the floor under the exhaust pipes. Very >> reliable. >> > >> >> >> > >> >> Ernie >> > >> >> >> > >> >> On 7/11/05, Cpayne <cpayne@joimail.com> wrote: >> > >> >> > --> Yak-List message posted by: Cpayne <cpayne@joimail.com> >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > "The welding around the stem where the clean-kit connects to >> the >> > >> >> intake >> > >> >> > manifold" >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > Welding? Whose kit is that? I make my own drains by just >> tapping >> the >> > >> > plugs for AN fittings and then use hose. Both Huosai and M-14. >> Works >> > > fine, >> > >> > lasts a long time. Cheap too! >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > Craig Payne >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> > >> >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >


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    Time: 03:13:40 PM PST US
    From: "Gilles St-Pierre" <ranchlaseigneurie@hotmail.com>
    Subject: M5 Engine
    --> Yak-List message posted by: "Gilles St-Pierre" <ranchlaseigneurie@hotmail.com> Richard count me in as a customer let me know as thing progress sincerely gilles dr gilles st pierre bsl aviation >From: "Richard Goode" <richard.goode@russianaeros.com> >Reply-To: yak-list@matronics.com >To: "YAK USA LIST" <yak-list@matronics.com> >Subject: Yak-List: M5 Engine >Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 14:38:49 +0100 > >--> Yak-List message posted by: "Richard Goode" ><richard.goode@russianaeros.com> > >Four of these engines are currently undergoing flight test procedures in >Voronezh, Russia today. > >Power out-put is from 160-hp up to 220-hp, and weight 275lb. > >Engines will not be available for sale for at least six months, but if >anyone would like some information please contact us off list. > >Richard Goode > >Richard Goode Aerobatics >Rhodds Farm >Lyonshall >Herefordshire >HR5 3LW >United Kingdom > >Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120 >Mob: +44 (0) 7768 610389 >Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129 >www.russianaeros.com > >dangerous content by the http://www.invictawiz.com >MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. > >


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    Time: 03:53:53 PM PST US
    From: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Way too Lean
    --> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com> The entire unit fits in a 2-1/4 " hole. Just run power and the probe wires. This unit does not require much panel space. Ernie On 7/12/05, Jon Boede <jon@email.net> wrote: > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net> > > Brian made the comment once that all that information isn't all that > interesting unless you're diagnosing a problem. > > About every 100 hours (about 3 times a year) something comes up where it'd > be useful to see what's up. > > Jon > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com> > > > > JPI makes the EDM-900 a 9 cylinder EGT/CHT GEM. > > > > Ernie > > > > On 7/12/05, Roger Doc Kemp <viperdoc@mindspring.com> wrote: > >> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp" > >> <viperdoc@mindspring.com> > >> > >> Yeh, It'll soon be like the UCAV's in the AF. Hell, I could sit in the > >> safety of my own home and terrorize the residents of Lake Mitchell > >> without > >> even leaving the CAB. Those power lines on the low level up the Coosa > >> River > >> would not even be an issue. Somebody else would loose power and I would > >> have to build another ARF. Hum, RC....been there done that. Fun but not > >> nearly as much fun! > >> Doc > >> > >> > >> > [Original Message] > >> > From: A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com> > >> > To: <yak-list@matronics.com> > >> > Date: 7/12/2005 6:34:15 AM > >> > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Way too Lean > >> > > >> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" > >> <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com> > >> > > >> > Doc, > >> > Even if you could find a 9 cylinder CHT, you'd have to get very > >> creative > >> on > >> > finding a location to install it. Now if you could install one with a > >> > single, round 57 mm (2 1/4") instrument with a 9 position rotary > >> switch, > >> > that may work. What the heck Doc, you need more "stuff" in your > >> cockpit > >> > anyway! -) > >> > Dennis > >> > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com> > >> > To: <yak-list@matronics.com> > >> > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Way too Lean > >> > > >> > > >> > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp" > >> <viperdoc@mindspring.com> > >> > > > >> > > On the exhaust or did you mean the intake (manifold)? I have to > >> > > periodically inspect my AN fittings because they will loosen up over > >> time > >> > > resulting in a rougher running engine. With them being loose, it > >> leans > >> out > >> > > the bottom 3 cylinders. If I had a CHT probe on the bottom > >> cylinders, > >> then > >> > > I should expect to see an increase in the CHT when the intake is > >> left > >> > > open. > >> > > Hum, to CHT all 9 or stay with Stock Russian design? > >> > > Doc > >> > > > >> > > > >> > >> [Original Message] > >> > >> From: Jon Boede <jon@email.net> > >> > >> To: <yak-list@matronics.com> > >> > >> Date: 7/11/2005 5:12:16 PM > >> > >> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Way too Lean > >> > >> > >> > >> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net> > >> > >> > >> > >> My CJ has the drains on the exhaust pipes tapped with an 1/8" pipe > >> > >> fitting > >> > >> to flexible hose into a block... the drains themselves break. > >> > >> > >> > >> Jon > >> > >> > >> > >> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp" > >> > > <viperdoc@mindspring.com> > >> > >> > > >> > >> > Ernie, > >> > >> > I put two buckets on the floor too. Along with opening the intake > >> > >> > drain. > >> > >> > Works even better that way to stave off the Hydralick Lock > >> Monster. > >> > >> > Doc > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> >> [Original Message] > >> > >> >> From: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com> > >> > >> >> To: <yak-list@matronics.com> > >> > >> >> Date: 7/11/2005 3:29:22 PM > >> > >> >> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Way too Lean > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> --> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez > >> <erniel29@gmail.com> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> I put 2 buckets on the floor under the exhaust pipes. Very > >> reliable. > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> Ernie > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> On 7/11/05, Cpayne <cpayne@joimail.com> wrote: > >> > >> >> > --> Yak-List message posted by: Cpayne <cpayne@joimail.com> > >> > >> >> > > >> > >> >> > "The welding around the stem where the clean-kit connects to > >> the > >> > >> >> intake > >> > >> >> > manifold" > >> > >> >> > > >> > >> >> > Welding? Whose kit is that? I make my own drains by just > >> tapping > >> the > >> > >> > plugs for AN fittings and then use hose. Both Huosai and M-14. > >> Works > >> > > fine, > >> > >> > lasts a long time. Cheap too! > >> > >> >> > > >> > >> >> > Craig Payne > >> > >> >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 09:17:56 PM PST US
    From: "Jim Ivey" <jim@jimivey.com>
    Subject: Neato Pilot Tool - web based
    --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Ivey" <jim@jimivey.com> I have found a free internet application that is a great tool for pilots. It's called Google Earth and it is awesome. You can fly over real terrain and satellite photos to airports you have never been to before. You can also see your house with just an address. You really have to see it to believe it. However, it is probably most useful if you have high-speed internet. If you have dial-up it's probably worth the wait for select destinations. Another good use for it is when you're on the phone with somebody and they tell you where they are, you just type it in and the Earth global view zooms into where they are after which you can lay in streets or whatever you want. You can even tilt the view in a topographic form which will give you a pilot's-eye view if you start the autoscroll. I haven't been able to stop playing with the thing since loading it yesterday. It's hard to explain how cool it is. If you give it a try you'll see what I mean. FMI: http://earth.google.com/ Jim Ivey N46YK


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    Time: 09:19:37 PM PST US
    From: "Samuel Sax" <cd001633@mindspring.com>
    Subject: Re: Way too Lean
    --> Yak-List message posted by: "Samuel Sax" <cd001633@mindspring.com> Doc, The installation was simple. Installation instructions are written clearly and easy to follow. The wiring grouping clearly identified - really a simple job. The unit measures (behind the panel) approx. 2.5" square and 8.5" long. Again, I find it to be one of the best engine/fuel management instruments I've ever invested in (I have the M-14P engine on my CJ6). You can check JPI's web site for details at www.jpinstruments.com, look for the EDM 700-9c. By the way, the unit stores EGT/CHT data in memory for quite a few hours and the data is downloadable to your lap top for a close analysis of the temp pattern etc. If you are going for something like this, I recommend you consider adding the Fuel Flow option; not cheap but a great feature to have especially for YAK (and CJ) drivers. Sam -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Roger Kemp Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Way too Lean --> Yak-List message posted by: Roger Kemp <viperdoc@mindspring.com> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Way too Lean --> Yak-List message posted by: "Samuel Sax" <cd001633@mindspring.com> Yes, I do have the EDM 700-9C EGT/CHT unit in my CJ for the past four years. Sam, How much trouble was it to add all the hardware and wiring to the CJ? You have a little more panel space than I do in the YAK. Is there anyone out there that has one in a YAK? If so can you send me a picture off line. So we do not clutter the list.


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    Time: 09:35:54 PM PST US
    From: "Samuel Sax" <cd001633@mindspring.com>
    Subject: Re: Way too Lean
    --> Yak-List message posted by: "Samuel Sax" <cd001633@mindspring.com> Jon, Brian is pretty much on the money - but let me tell you what the 'what's up' means... when something does go wrong inside the engine (Doesn't have to be major) if you don't have such instrument - the first thing that goes up fairly dramatically is your heart rate. After you had an unfamiliar mechanic (you made a precautionary landing in non home base airport, of course) spend all day trying to find the problem what also went up is your repair bill... It would really tick you off, when you realized all it was a bad spark plug ($25.00), as happened to me. I landed (remote airport), got my tools and my spare spark plug out and had the engine purr like a kitten again at altitude 30 minutes later. I had a couple of other instances (ignition wire problems) where this instrument saved the day and trouble shooting money. Again, FWIW, Sam -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jon Boede Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Way too Lean --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net> Brian made the comment once that all that information isn't all that interesting unless you're diagnosing a problem. About every 100 hours (about 3 times a year) something comes up where it'd be useful to see what's up. Jon


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    Time: 11:17:42 PM PST US
    From: Barry Hancock <barry@flyredstar.org>
    Subject: F-16 noise, the full story
    --> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <barry@flyredstar.org> Pretty intresting... http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/wakeup.asp Barry




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