Today's Message Index:
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1. 04:43 AM - Re: Red Air Fall Fling participate info (A. Dennis Savarese)
2. 05:13 AM - Red Air Fall Fling participate info (Duncan aka Russ)
3. 06:24 AM - Engines (Richard Goode)
4. 06:27 AM - Re: Red Air Fall Fling participate info (Roger Doc Kemp)
5. 06:31 AM - Control Surface Modifications (Richard Goode)
6. 06:38 AM - Re: Red Air Fall Fling participate info (Roger Doc Kemp)
7. 06:48 AM - Re: Red Air Fall Fling participate info (John W. Cox)
8. 06:56 AM - Re: Red Air Fall Fling participate info (Yak52)
9. 07:07 AM - Re: Red Air Fall Fling participate info (Roger Doc Kemp)
10. 08:06 AM - Re: Red Air Fall Fling participate info (Yak52)
11. 09:10 AM - Re: Red Air Fall Fling participate info (Roger Doc Kemp)
12. 09:35 AM - Re: Control Surface Modifications (Brian Lloyd)
13. 11:12 AM - Re: Engines (Craig Payne)
14. 03:01 PM - South Central Clinic (Aviatr@aol.com)
15. 04:24 PM - Watch Out For Fatigue Cracks! (Frank Haertlein)
16. 05:55 PM - Re: Control Surface Modifications (Steve Dalton)
17. 06:30 PM - Re: M-14P Engines (Steve Dalton)
18. 06:33 PM - Re: BMA EFIS (Ron Davis)
19. 07:16 PM - Fw: Re: [airportlighting] "B" cable vs "c" Cable (Roger Bieberdorf)
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| Subject: | Re: Red Air Fall Fling participate info |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
Doc,
Mine is on the RPA events page. As you know I was finally able to log in.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Subject: Yak-List: Red Air Fall Fling participate info
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>
> Yakkers,
> I am hearing from many to the guys that say they are coming to KSEM on
> 14-16 Oct. They are telling me that they can not get logged on the events
> page on the RPA website.
> Lets try this. If you intend to come to KSEM for the Fall FLing, please
> email me off list your info.
> If you could answer following questions, it will help us with the
> scheduling.
> Some of these appear to intuetive but please humor me and answer them.
> Name:
> FAST Qualification:
> Ground School needed:
> Civilian hours:
> Military hours:
> Aircraft type:
> Arrival Date:
> Phone #:
> Email address:
>
> Thanks,
> Viperdoc
>
>
> Roger "Doc" Kemp
> viperdoc@mindspring.com
> If it don't sound Round...Why listen?
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Red Air Fall Fling participate info |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Duncan aka Russ" <Duncan1574@ExecPc.com>
Hey Doc, I am not sure about your FBO but the one at MTW would have liked to
know what kind of oil the pilots needed. He had to reorder twice to get the
right mix for all the guys, so you might want to ask what oil people need
too.
Russ "Air Boss" Witte-Dycus
North Central Event Coordinator
Red Star Pilot's Association
http://www.flyredstar.org
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Richard Goode" <richard.goode@russianaeros.com>
To correct Craig Payne's note, the Voronezh Mechanical Plant - the original manufacturer
of ALL Russian M14P engines, has not yet restarted production of engines.
They have started production of individual components - some six hundred cylinders
for example have been made.
They are currently making a small batch of ten M9F engines (430-hp) for us, but
largely from existing unused parts.
The good news however is that their production schedule over the next year will
include fifty totally new M14P engines, and building up from that. However I
am sure much more expensive than in the past. A problem however is the availability
of bought-in components such as magnetos and carburettors, of which new
items are simply not available in production quantities.
Nevertheless testing of their electronic fuel injection system is going well, as
is electronic ignition. In any case there are Western analogues for these if
needed.
Richard Goode
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Herefordshire
HR5 3LW
United Kingdom
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Mob: +44 (0) 7768 610389
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
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| Subject: | Red Air Fall Fling participate info |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Duncan,
Thanks, will add that to the questions to ask.
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: Duncan aka Russ <Duncan1574@ExecPc.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 8/4/2005 7:12:45 AM
> Subject: Yak-List: Red Air Fall Fling participate info
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Duncan aka Russ" <Duncan1574@ExecPc.com>
>
> Hey Doc, I am not sure about your FBO but the one at MTW would have liked
to
> know what kind of oil the pilots needed. He had to reorder twice to get
the
> right mix for all the guys, so you might want to ask what oil people need
> too.
>
>
> Russ "Air Boss" Witte-Dycus
> North Central Event Coordinator
> Red Star Pilot's Association
> http://www.flyredstar.org
>
>
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| Subject: | Control Surface Modifications |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Richard Goode" <richard.goode@russianaeros.com>
I wrote to the Yak List yesterday expressing my concern about control surface modifications,
and have had several direct responses defending the modifications.
I had only one aim, which was to stop AMATEURS making such modifications.
If, however, those who are doing the modifications know enough of the original
control surface design data; know the materials of which the original surfaces
were made of; do proper structural designs; restore the mass-balance position,
and most importantly, do theoretical and practical flutter tests (and that
doesn't mean diving beyond VNE alone), then absolutely fine.
I have no idea of the technical background of the organisations/people who are
doing such modifications, and it is likely that they are skilled and capable.
I am simply advising those who are not skilled and knowledgeable in such areas,
that modifications of control surfaces are perilous unless you know exactly
what you are doing.
If you have seen the effects of control surface flutter, as I have, you will understand.
It will turn a flying aircraft to twisted metal in a couple of seconds.
In passing, I once had a flutter on an elevator trim tab on a Yak-52 (when
the linkage separated), and when it reached a critical speed, I thought the
whole aeroplane was going to come apart - and that for a little trim tab!
Richard Goode
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Herefordshire
HR5 3LW
United Kingdom
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Mob: +44 (0) 7768 610389
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
dangerous content by the http://www.invictawiz.com
MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.
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| Subject: | Re: Red Air Fall Fling participate info |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
I got it Dennis, Thanks, There are 3 of us that managed to get it on the
website. If I had 12 more hours in the day, I would expand www.RedAir.org
website. It is just not anyfarther along than where I got with it 6 months
ago. Oh well, seems the older we get the FASTER we run to the BOX.
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 8/4/2005 6:42:58 AM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Red Air Fall Fling participate info
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese"
<dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
>
> Doc,
> Mine is on the RPA events page. As you know I was finally able to log in.
> Dennis
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> To: "yak-list" <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: Red Air Fall Fling participate info
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp"
<viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> >
> > Yakkers,
> > I am hearing from many to the guys that say they are coming to KSEM on
> > 14-16 Oct. They are telling me that they can not get logged on the
events
> > page on the RPA website.
> > Lets try this. If you intend to come to KSEM for the Fall FLing, please
> > email me off list your info.
> > If you could answer following questions, it will help us with the
> > scheduling.
> > Some of these appear to intuetive but please humor me and answer them.
> > Name:
> > FAST Qualification:
> > Ground School needed:
> > Civilian hours:
> > Military hours:
> > Aircraft type:
> > Arrival Date:
> > Phone #:
> > Email address:
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Viperdoc
> >
> >
> > Roger "Doc" Kemp
> > viperdoc@mindspring.com
> > If it don't sound Round...Why listen?
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Red Air Fall Fling participate info |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
The FBO bought 1/2 pallet of Phillips 20-50wt and the other 1/2 was
25-65wt. A few of the guys went with quarts of AeroShell 100wt. The case
lots were 4 gallons each at $16.00 per. Most of the requests were for
AeroShell 120wt. FYI
Smoke oil was another whole subject.
John Cox
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Duncan aka
Russ
Subject: Yak-List: Red Air Fall Fling participate info
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Duncan aka Russ"
<Duncan1574@ExecPc.com>
Hey Doc, I am not sure about your FBO but the one at MTW would have
liked to
know what kind of oil the pilots needed. He had to reorder twice to get
the
right mix for all the guys, so you might want to ask what oil people
need
too.
Russ "Air Boss" Witte-Dycus
North Central Event Coordinator
Red Star Pilot's Association
http://www.flyredstar.org
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| Subject: | Red Air Fall Fling participate info |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Yak52" <yak52@flyredstar.org>
I'm fixing the page as we speak.
Deon.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis Savarese
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Red Air Fall Fling participate info
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese"
<dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
Doc,
Mine is on the RPA events page. As you know I was finally able to log in.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Subject: Yak-List: Red Air Fall Fling participate info
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>
> Yakkers,
> I am hearing from many to the guys that say they are coming to KSEM on
> 14-16 Oct. They are telling me that they can not get logged on the events
> page on the RPA website.
> Lets try this. If you intend to come to KSEM for the Fall FLing, please
> email me off list your info.
> If you could answer following questions, it will help us with the
> scheduling.
> Some of these appear to intuetive but please humor me and answer them.
> Name:
> FAST Qualification:
> Ground School needed:
> Civilian hours:
> Military hours:
> Aircraft type:
> Arrival Date:
> Phone #:
> Email address:
>
> Thanks,
> Viperdoc
>
>
> Roger "Doc" Kemp
> viperdoc@mindspring.com
> If it don't sound Round...Why listen?
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Red Air Fall Fling participate info |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Thanks guys. I will relay this to the KSEM FBO.
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: John W. Cox <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 8/4/2005 8:48:31 AM
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Red Air Fall Fling participate info
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "John W. Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
>
> The FBO bought 1/2 pallet of Phillips 20-50wt and the other 1/2 was
> 25-65wt. A few of the guys went with quarts of AeroShell 100wt. The case
> lots were 4 gallons each at $16.00 per. Most of the requests were for
> AeroShell 120wt. FYI
>
> Smoke oil was another whole subject.
>
> John Cox
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Duncan aka
> Russ
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Red Air Fall Fling participate info
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Duncan aka Russ"
> <Duncan1574@ExecPc.com>
>
> Hey Doc, I am not sure about your FBO but the one at MTW would have
> liked to
> know what kind of oil the pilots needed. He had to reorder twice to get
> the
> right mix for all the guys, so you might want to ask what oil people
> need
> too.
>
>
> Russ "Air Boss" Witte-Dycus
> North Central Event Coordinator
> Red Star Pilot's Association
> http://www.flyredstar.org
>
>
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| Subject: | Red Air Fall Fling participate info |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Yak52" <yak52@flyredstar.org>
The events page is up and running. Please let me know if you run into
problems.
Thanks,
Deon.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Doc Kemp
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Red Air Fall Fling participate info
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
I got it Dennis, Thanks, There are 3 of us that managed to get it on the
website. If I had 12 more hours in the day, I would expand www.RedAir.org
website. It is just not anyfarther along than where I got with it 6 months
ago. Oh well, seems the older we get the FASTER we run to the BOX.
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 8/4/2005 6:42:58 AM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Red Air Fall Fling participate info
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese"
<dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
>
> Doc,
> Mine is on the RPA events page. As you know I was finally able to log in.
> Dennis
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> To: "yak-list" <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: Red Air Fall Fling participate info
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp"
<viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> >
> > Yakkers,
> > I am hearing from many to the guys that say they are coming to KSEM on
> > 14-16 Oct. They are telling me that they can not get logged on the
events
> > page on the RPA website.
> > Lets try this. If you intend to come to KSEM for the Fall FLing, please
> > email me off list your info.
> > If you could answer following questions, it will help us with the
> > scheduling.
> > Some of these appear to intuetive but please humor me and answer them.
> > Name:
> > FAST Qualification:
> > Ground School needed:
> > Civilian hours:
> > Military hours:
> > Aircraft type:
> > Arrival Date:
> > Phone #:
> > Email address:
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Viperdoc
> >
> >
> > Roger "Doc" Kemp
> > viperdoc@mindspring.com
> > If it don't sound Round...Why listen?
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Red Air Fall Fling participate info |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Outstanding! Thanks Deon!!!
Yakkers,
Give it a try again to get registered on the RPA website for the Red Air
Fall Fling. As I get names registered, I am adding them to the XL spread
sheet. That way I will not have to go searching for who's in and who's
not. Or was it Who's on first, no, Who's on second, no what's on Second!
Anywho!!!
Welcome to Deon. Look forward to seeing you there.
Viperdoc
> [Original Message]
> From: Yak52 <yak52@flyredstar.org>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 8/4/2005 10:05:49 AM
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Red Air Fall Fling participate info
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Yak52" <yak52@flyredstar.org>
>
> The events page is up and running. Please let me know if you run into
> problems.
>
> Thanks,
> Deon.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Doc Kemp
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Red Air Fall Fling participate info
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>
> I got it Dennis, Thanks, There are 3 of us that managed to get it on the
> website. If I had 12 more hours in the day, I would expand www.RedAir.org
> website. It is just not anyfarther along than where I got with it 6 months
> ago. Oh well, seems the older we get the FASTER we run to the BOX.
> Doc
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
> > To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> > Date: 8/4/2005 6:42:58 AM
> > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Red Air Fall Fling participate info
> >
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese"
> <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
> >
> > Doc,
> > Mine is on the RPA events page. As you know I was finally able to log
in.
> > Dennis
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> > To: "yak-list" <yak-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Yak-List: Red Air Fall Fling participate info
> >
> >
> > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp"
> <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> > >
> > > Yakkers,
> > > I am hearing from many to the guys that say they are coming to KSEM
on
> > > 14-16 Oct. They are telling me that they can not get logged on the
> events
> > > page on the RPA website.
> > > Lets try this. If you intend to come to KSEM for the Fall FLing,
please
> > > email me off list your info.
> > > If you could answer following questions, it will help us with the
> > > scheduling.
> > > Some of these appear to intuetive but please humor me and answer them.
> > > Name:
> > > FAST Qualification:
> > > Ground School needed:
> > > Civilian hours:
> > > Military hours:
> > > Aircraft type:
> > > Arrival Date:
> > > Phone #:
> > > Email address:
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Viperdoc
> > >
> > >
> > > Roger "Doc" Kemp
> > > viperdoc@mindspring.com
> > > If it don't sound Round...Why listen?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Control Surface Modifications |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Richard Goode wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Richard Goode" <richard.goode@russianaeros.com>
>
> I wrote to the Yak List yesterday expressing my concern about control
> surface modifications, and have had several direct responses defending the
> modifications. I had only one aim, which was to stop AMATEURS making such
> modifications. If, however, those who are doing the modifications know enough
> of the original control surface design data; know the materials of which the
> original surfaces were made of; do proper structural designs; restore the
> mass-balance position, and most importantly, do theoretical and practical
> flutter tests (and that doesn't mean diving beyond VNE alone), then absolutely
> fine.
I received probably the same set of emails defending the mods.
I am neither against metalized control surfaces nor do I think they are
inherently unsafe. I was just thinking about the risk/reward ratio for doing
them. Metal control surfaces are common and work well. Most airplanes have
them. But they must be designed and balanced properly. The stronger they are,
the more they will mass. And the more they mass, the more balancing weight
needed. When you remove them to paint them and then replace them, they must be
rebalanced. If someone makes a mistake there *may* be a problem.
Fabric-covered surfaces don't have that problem because the fabric masses so
little. Here a balancing error is not likely to cause a problem.
Fabric degrades. OTOH, that prompts you to recover periodically. And when you
do, you get a look at the inside of the control surface, not a bad thing.
To me metalized control surfaces represent a greater risk for catastrophic
failure than do fabric-covered control surfaces. The risk is not great but
then, the rewards do not seem to be that great either. Given that, it just
seems *TO* *ME* that it isn't worth the effort.
But on this whole risk thing, what mods really do reduce errors and failures?
I see increasing fuel capacity as being a good thing as running out of gas has
always been a problem. The risk is that the mod will compromise the structure.
The reward is that the pilot is less likely to run out of gas by
overextending. There are more "ran out of gas" incidents in the accident stats
than "airframe failure in flight" accidents.
So everything is risk/reward.
And do I think that the metalized control surfaces are bad? Well, knowing both
Barry and Doug I suspect they are of high quality.
As they say: you pay your money and take your choice.
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
brian-yak@lloyd.com Suite 201
http://www.lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <cpayne@joimail.com>
Richard,
Thanks for the update, I'm glad to hear about the planned production. That's why
I raised the issue, to get an idea of what is going on with the M-14P availability.
Craig Payne
cpayne@joimail.com
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| Subject: | South Central Clinic |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Aviatr@aol.com
To all RPA Members:
Another reminder about the upcoming South Central Fly-In and FAST Clinic. I
now have an Airboss and a Training Officer. I'm still looking for a records
guy who can handle the RPA and FAST documents and see that they get to the
right folks. In exchange I am offering to waive the registration fee of $75 and
provide a free dinner at the banquet. If your coming to Lamar and would like
to help out please let me know. This event will be the only event this summer
in the central US. The NC Clinic (Columbus, NE) has been postponed until next
year. If your looking for some training this is the spot.
Again the dates are September 21 - 25.
Airport: KLAA
Scott McMillan
RPA SC Coordinator
_aviatr@aol.com_ (mailto:aviatr@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Watch Out For Fatigue Cracks! |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Watch Out for Fatigue Cracks!
What happens when fatigue sets in.....
Helicopter Fatigue cracks warning.
http://home.earthlink.net/~yak52driver/helicoptercracks.jpg
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| Subject: | RE: Control Surface Modifications |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Steve Dalton" <sdalton@goeaston.net>
>>>--> Yak-List message posted by: "Richard Goode"
<richard.goode@russianaeros.com>
I am amazed that owners are replacing fabric surfaces with metal. There
are relatively
minor reasons not to - such as ribs being made of too thin metal to
properly
rivet, but the fundamental reason must be the unacceptability of
non-aviation
designers making unofficial modifications on control surfaces.<<<
My -52TW (the first one manufactured by Aerostar) has over 400 hours on
it, and no problems with the metal control surfaces...and I fly a lot of
acro. However, I do believe my experience has been better (luckier?)
than most. I know of several -52W and -52TW owners who have suffered
cracks in the rudder and elevators. I have not heard of any cracks in
the ailerons.
If they do not crack they are better looking and longer lasting than
fabric. But if they crack...well, not so good. A roll of the dice?
Last year at OSH I talked to Cristian (from Aerostar) about the metal
surfaces and he thought Aerostar *might* return to fabric covering. I
do not know what their final decision was. I offer all this as just
something to consider. Your mileage may vary and never attempt this at
home. Fly safe.
Steve Dalton
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| Subject: | RE: M-14P Engines |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Steve Dalton" <sdalton@goeaston.net>
>>>> Yak-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <cpayne@joimail.com>
During MTW/OSH, the subject of M-14P engine availability came up. George
Coy told
me that Aerostar had about 25 more new ones that they could build up.
Terminus
in also had a limited quantity.
However, while arranging for my freshly OH'd M-14P to be shipped from
Vladimirs
place, I mentioned what I'd heard. Vladimir says that the Russian
factory is
still making them as well as OH. He has 4 in OH now, available in about
6 months
if anyone is interested. If anyone needs an engine overhaul, Vlad will
arrange
another batch, but it won't be as cheap as the last batch.<<<<
Fellow Yak drivers,
My understanding of this issue is that NOBODY is making some of the
parts required to build COMPLETELY NEW STOCK M-14P's. Overhauling them
is another issue. The following is from George & Cliff Coy's web site
at GESOCO.com;
"They {meaning Romania} have a limited supply of some parts. Primarily
the carburetors and cam disks. The factory {in Russia} that made the
original carburetors is no longer in production. They now make furniture
and no one at the factory remembers how to make the carburetors. The
tooling was all scrapped as well. We are investigating replacing the
Russian pressure carb with a fuel injection system. We are also looking
to other sources for the carburetors."
Please correct me, George or anyone else, but I believe that after the
last of these new carbs, new cam disks, and also new magnetos are gone,
nobody will be able to build entirely new and complete M-14P's as we
know them now...just versions that partly new and partly overhauled.
Or, more likely, they'll also make totally new engines with newly
designed fuel injection, electronic mags, etc., etc.
With the market's demands, Romania's Motorstar (active M-14P
manufacturer), the Russian businesses, and organizations like Bill
Blackwell's "Stinky Works" (really cool M-14P stuff) I suspect we will
be able to get "new" engines for a while longer. Just not as "stock" as
today's. Thank goodness we don't need new Merlins!!
Cheers,
Steve Dalton
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
This site http://www.grtavionics.com/index.htm has EFIS displays. They seem
to work. They have a patient, knowledgeable tech support guy (Todd). They
offer a money-back guarantee. They will take it back if it doesn't work, or
if it works and you don't like it, or if it works perfect and you love it
and your wife hates it.
I have no financial interest in the company, nor do I know anyone who does.
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| Subject: | Fwd: RE: [airportlighting] "B" cable vs "c" Cable |
Al Regal <albert.regal@luke.af.mil>, yak-list@matronics.com
--> Yak-List message posted by: Roger Bieberdorf <rogerbyak@yahoo.com>
Please see attached re: B vs C cable. Thanks, Roger B
Note: forwarded message attached.
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Subject: RE: [airportlighting] "B" cable vs "c" Cable
Half the cost.
Half the diameter.
Readily available (since few buy the B, it isn't kept in stock by the vendor
reps).
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[mailto:airportlighting@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Roger Bieberdorf
Subject: [airportlighting] "B" cable vs "c" Cable
Gentlemen;
Over the past 20 years, we have made many installations of Type C cable for
5KV series circuits. We now have encountered an appliction where the Owner
has requested information of the advisability of the use of Type B cable to
get longer life in respect to insulation resistance. Type B is EPR while I
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(in the U.S. at least) has almost universally gone to Type C from the B?
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Subject: [airportlighting] "B" cable
vs "c" Cable
Gentlemen;
Over the past 20 years, we have made many installations of Type C cable for
5KV series circuits. We now have encountered an appliction where the Owner has
requested information of the advisability of the use of Type B cable to get
longer life in respect to insulation resistance. Type B is EPR while
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B?
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