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1. 05:22 AM - "Folga" Gap (Timothy Gagnon)
2. 07:19 AM - gear collapse (cjpilot710@AOL.COM)
3. 08:47 AM - Accident (FamilyGage@aol.com)
4. 09:14 AM - Re: Accident (A. Dennis Savarese)
5. 10:17 AM - Re: chinese radial (ByronMFox@aol.com)
6. 11:24 AM - Yak-Question (st.ellison@comcast.net)
7. 12:00 PM - CJ Emergency Parachute (Jim Ivey)
8. 12:11 PM - Re: CJ Emergency Parachute (Ernest Martinez)
9. 12:13 PM - Re: Yak-Question (Ernest Martinez)
10. 12:49 PM - Re: CJ Emergency Parachute (Rob Mortara)
11. 04:45 PM - Re: Accident (Roger Doc Kemp)
12. 04:59 PM - Re: CJ Emergency Parachute (Jim Ivey)
13. 05:20 PM - Re: CJ Emergency Parachute (Roger Doc Kemp)
14. 07:43 PM - Re: M14P Engines (Samuel Sax)
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Timothy Gagnon <NiftyYak50@msn.com>
It is the Fulda Gap.
By the way, I heard there was a gear collapse issue in MTW? Anyone know the
details?
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--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
In a message dated 8/7/2005 8:23:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
NiftyYak50@msn.com writes:
> It is the Fulda Gap.
>
> By the way, I heard there was a gear collapse issue in MTW? Anyone know the
> details?
>
During the Saturday show at OSH, the last aircraft to land from our 'RedStar'
group was "Wild Bill" Walker in his Yak 52 TD. The 'over center' lock'
material failed is shear, (apparently not enough material surface) the gear passed
the locked position folding inward, and the airplane went up on its nose,
closing rwy 9 for a short time. It will be an easy repair, to prop, cowl, and
wing tip.
I believe the designer has already worked out a very easy modification to
keep that from happening again.
Wild Bill could really tell you the details. The "TD" is another version of
the TW but done from a straight 52 by the Lithuanians I believe.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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--> Yak-List message posted by: FamilyGage@aol.com
Troopers:
Have not entered any information on my 9 April 05 accident, as I felt that
there was nothing positive to offer RPA.
I was one of our usual Saturday morning fly out for breakfast at Titusville.
Had put about 70 hours on the demonstration TW that Cliff Coy had built for
me. Granted, had put too much equipment and money into this ship but she
was designed to sell planes for Bill Austin.
No doubt I deserved all of the sharp remarks from Craig and others for
spending too much.
Anyway, on the return trip an unknown female (a friend or a friend) asked
to return to the Creek with me. I told her no, as I feel uncomfortable with
having strange and non-pilots in the back. Everything in the formation was
nominal on the return. I was the last plane to land.
Bill Walker has warned me about tail shimmy after a wheel landing, and he
was correct. Therefore, had been doing three point landings.
Was in the flair at or very slightly above stall. The tail wheel touched
first (no big deal). As the main gear touched the left wing went right down to
the tarmac and touched the wing tip.
I added some power and tried to unload plus right aileron and rudder. The
right gear collapsed forward and the right wing hit the tarmac so hard that it
jammed the controls.
We have a park next to our runway and all that I could think of was not to
cart wheel into the crowd of spectators.
From this point the plane became a sled. Hit the trees on the left side of
the runway at a good speed. Luckily, the first tree hit was one of the few
dead trees left from last years hurricanes. That tree fractured in to a
thousand pieces. The next tree was healthy and hit the left wing, which spun
the
plane around and aimed the spinner dead on to the next tree which stopped the
slide.
The Romanians truly build an amazingly strong plane. The left wing remained
on the plane, although now pointing aft about 15 degrees. The front end
moved back about three inches. The fuselage and right wing were in tack. The
right gear folded forward, and the left gear sheared off about thirty yards
back up the runway.
After the accident, there were plenty of questions but no answers. Yes, the
pilot is responsible for landing accidents and I accept. Some of the
questions: Did a landing gear part fail; Did the unknown passenger grab the
controls; Did the pilot make a major mistake?
May heart goes out to Bill Walker, as believe me, I know how he feels!
However, his incident may give a clue as to what occurred to my ex-TW. Having
several thousand hours of tail wheel time does not mean that I didn't screw up
this time.
Thanks to the built in strength of the Yak, both the passenger and myself
only had shoulder bruises from being jerked about in the cockpit.
I am now back in the air. I repurchased the W that I had sold 18 months
ago. She is in great shape with only another 30 hours on the engine. In fact,
the plane is in some ways better in that a Dynon EFIS installed and a fresh
annual.
If my experience can aid anyone else, please feel free to contact me off
list.
Ray Gage
wolfman
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
Wolfman,
I'm pretty sure I speak for most everyone on the list; we're glad you and
your passenger are safe and sound and back flying with us.
Welcome back.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: <FamilyGage@aol.com>
Subject: Yak-List: Accident
> --> Yak-List message posted by: FamilyGage@aol.com
>
> Troopers:
>
> Have not entered any information on my 9 April 05 accident, as I felt that
> there was nothing positive to offer RPA.
>
> I was one of our usual Saturday morning fly out for breakfast at
> Titusville.
> Had put about 70 hours on the demonstration TW that Cliff Coy had built
> for
> me. Granted, had put too much equipment and money into this ship but she
> was designed to sell planes for Bill Austin.
> No doubt I deserved all of the sharp remarks from Craig and others for
> spending too much.
>
> Anyway, on the return trip an unknown female (a friend or a friend)
> asked
> to return to the Creek with me. I told her no, as I feel uncomfortable
> with
> having strange and non-pilots in the back. Everything in the formation
> was
> nominal on the return. I was the last plane to land.
>
> Bill Walker has warned me about tail shimmy after a wheel landing, and he
> was correct. Therefore, had been doing three point landings.
>
> Was in the flair at or very slightly above stall. The tail wheel touched
> first (no big deal). As the main gear touched the left wing went right
> down to
> the tarmac and touched the wing tip.
>
> I added some power and tried to unload plus right aileron and rudder.
> The
> right gear collapsed forward and the right wing hit the tarmac so hard
> that it
> jammed the controls.
>
> We have a park next to our runway and all that I could think of was not to
> cart wheel into the crowd of spectators.
>
> From this point the plane became a sled. Hit the trees on the left side
> of
> the runway at a good speed. Luckily, the first tree hit was one of the
> few
> dead trees left from last years hurricanes. That tree fractured in to a
> thousand pieces. The next tree was healthy and hit the left wing, which
> spun the
> plane around and aimed the spinner dead on to the next tree which stopped
> the
> slide.
>
> The Romanians truly build an amazingly strong plane. The left wing
> remained
> on the plane, although now pointing aft about 15 degrees. The front end
> moved back about three inches. The fuselage and right wing were in tack.
> The
> right gear folded forward, and the left gear sheared off about thirty
> yards
> back up the runway.
>
> After the accident, there were plenty of questions but no answers. Yes,
> the
> pilot is responsible for landing accidents and I accept. Some of the
> questions: Did a landing gear part fail; Did the unknown passenger grab
> the
> controls; Did the pilot make a major mistake?
>
> May heart goes out to Bill Walker, as believe me, I know how he feels!
> However, his incident may give a clue as to what occurred to my ex-TW.
> Having
> several thousand hours of tail wheel time does not mean that I didn't
> screw up
> this time.
>
> Thanks to the built in strength of the Yak, both the passenger and myself
> only had shoulder bruises from being jerked about in the cockpit.
>
> I am now back in the air. I repurchased the W that I had sold 18 months
> ago. She is in great shape with only another 30 hours on the engine. In
> fact,
> the plane is in some ways better in that a Dynon EFIS installed and a
> fresh
> annual.
>
> If my experience can aid anyone else, please feel free to contact me off
> list.
>
> Ray Gage
> wolfman
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: chinese radial |
--> Yak-List message posted by: ByronMFox@aol.com
In a message dated 8/6/2005 7:32:36 PM Pacific Standard Time, jon@email.net
writes:
http://www.cse.ohio-state.edu/~panugant/downloads/chineese.wmv
Spectacular, Jon. Thanks!
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1.25 RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO Received: contains an IP address used for HELO
--> Yak-List message posted by: st.ellison@comcast.net
Yakmen:
I'm looking for a little insight into a problem I am encountering on my Yak-52.
I am guessing it is a fuel system problem but being such a beginner at this I really
don't know. Here are the symptoms I have experienced.
1. After flying about 1/2 hour doing rolls and loops I landed and fueled the plane.
After takeoff back toward the practice area I rolled inverted and continued
the climb at 82% and 80mmHg at about 110mph. About 10 seconds after rolling
inverted the prop % and mmhg both started to drop noticeably. I rolled upright
and leveled the plane. As I would advance the throttle forward from there the
RPM% would drop. Air mix was set at the mid position.. I backed everything off
to 70 65 and went home.
2. Next day I flew again. Checked everything on the ground and all tested well.
Took off and climbed to 3000 ft. At altitude I set the prop to about 82% and
advanced the throttle. Things seemd a little sluggish but nothing you could put
your finger on until very near full throttle when you could feel the engine
start to surge very slightly. Air mix was tried in both the closed and open positions
with the same result. This would disappear as you reduced the throttle
and return as you advance near full throttle again.
3. Upon landing from the second flight described above I checked the idle to power
transition while sitting on the tarmac. The was now a very definite hesitation
when you advance the throttle off of 40% unless it is done very slowly.
I would appreciate and comments on what the problem might be and where to look
for the fix. Has anyone experienced this themselves?
Thanks for you help!!!!
Steve
Yakmen:
I'm looking for a little insight into a problem I am encountering on my Yak-52.
I am guessing it is a fuel system problem but being such a beginner at this I really
don't know. Here are the symptoms I have experienced.
1. After flying about 1/2 hour doing rolls and loops I landed and fueled the plane.
After takeoff back toward the practice area I rolled inverted and continued
the climb at 82% and 80mmHg at about 110mph. About 10 seconds after rolling
inverted the prop % and mmhg both started to drop noticeably. I rolled upright
and leveled the plane. As I would advance the throttle forward from there the
RPM% would drop. Air mix was set at the mid position.. I backed everything off
to 70 65 and went home.
2. Next day I flew again. Checked everything on the ground and all tested well.
Took off and climbed to 3000 ft. At altitude I set the prop to about 82% and
advanced the throttle. Things seemd a little sluggish but nothing you could put
your finger on until very near full throttle when you could feel the engine
start to surge very slightly. Air mix was tried in both the closed and open positions
with the same result. This would disappear as you reduced the throttle
and return as you advance near full throttle again.
3. Upon landing from the second flight described above I checked the idle to power
transition while sitting on the tarmac. The was now a very definite hesitation
when you advance the throttle off of 40% unless it is done very slowly.
I would appreciate and comments on what the problem might be and where to look
for the fix. Has anyone experienced this themselves?
Thanks for you help!!!!
Steve
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| Subject: | CJ Emergency Parachute |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Jim Ivey <jim@jimivey.com>
Does anybody have experience with the Strong Squadron-type seatpack
parachutes?
I have a Strong backpack and Strong gave me a great price at OSH to re-install
my old canopy into a Squadron chute container at a reasonable price. I wonder
how well the Srong Squadron, either type, fit into a CJ seatpan. Comments?
Jim Ivey
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| Subject: | Re: CJ Emergency Parachute |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
I did exactly that. The chute fits fine. Paid $800.00 to have them put
my C-9 chute in a new seat pack. I thought it was a good price at the
time, until I realized that I paid $800.00 for a piece of canvas and
some clasps. Dont really know if it was such a good deal.
Ernie
On 8/7/05, Jim Ivey <jim@jimivey.com> wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Jim Ivey <jim@jimivey.com>
>
> Does anybody have experience with the Strong Squadron-type seatpack
> parachutes?
> I have a Strong backpack and Strong gave me a great price at OSH to re-install
> my old canopy into a Squadron chute container at a reasonable price. I wonder
> how well the Srong Squadron, either type, fit into a CJ seatpan. Comments?
>
> Jim Ivey
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Yak-Question |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
Check your primer and make sure you werent flying with it engaged.
Sounds like you may be running too rich.
Ernie
On 8/7/05, st.ellison@comcast.net <st.ellison@comcast.net> wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: st.ellison@comcast.net
>
> Yakmen:
>
> I'm looking for a little insight into a problem I am encountering on my Yak-52.
> I am guessing it is a fuel system problem but being such a beginner at this I
really don't know. Here are the symptoms I have experienced.
>
> 1. After flying about 1/2 hour doing rolls and loops I landed and fueled the
plane. After takeoff back toward the practice area I rolled inverted and continued
the climb at 82% and 80mmHg at about 110mph. About 10 seconds after rolling
inverted the prop % and mmhg both started to drop noticeably. I rolled upright
and leveled the plane. As I would advance the throttle forward from there
the RPM% would drop. Air mix was set at the mid position.. I backed everything
off to 70 65 and went home.
>
> 2. Next day I flew again. Checked everything on the ground and all tested well.
Took off and climbed to 3000 ft. At altitude I set the prop to about 82% and
advanced the throttle. Things seemd a little sluggish but nothing you could
put your finger on until very near full throttle when you could feel the engine
start to surge very slightly. Air mix was tried in both the closed and open
positions with the same result. This would disappear as you reduced the throttle
and return as you advance near full throttle again.
>
> 3. Upon landing from the second flight described above I checked the idle to
power transition while sitting on the tarmac. The was now a very definite hesitation
when you advance the throttle off of 40% unless it is done very slowly.
>
> I would appreciate and comments on what the problem might be and where to look
for the fix. Has anyone experienced this themselves?
>
> Thanks for you help!!!!
>
> Steve
>
> Yakmen:
>
> I'm looking for a little insight into a problem I am encountering on my Yak-52.
> I am guessing it is a fuel system problem but being such a beginner at this I
really don't know. Here are the symptoms I have experienced.
>
> 1. After flying about 1/2 hour doing rolls and loops I landed and fueled the
plane. After takeoff back toward the practice area I rolled inverted and continued
the climb at 82% and 80mmHg at about 110mph. About 10 seconds after rolling
inverted the prop % and mmhg both started to drop noticeably. I rolled upright
and leveled the plane. As I would advance the throttle forward from there
the RPM% would drop. Air mix was set at the mid position.. I backed everything
off to 70 65 and went home.
>
> 2. Next day I flew again. Checked everything on the ground and all tested well.
Took off and climbed to 3000 ft. At altitude I set the prop to about 82% and
advanced the throttle. Things seemd a little sluggish but nothing you could
put your finger on until very near full throttle when you could feel the engine
start to surge very slightly. Air mix was tried in both the closed and open
positions with the same result. This would disappear as you reduced the throttle
and return as you advance near full throttle again.
>
> 3. Upon landing from the second flight described above I checked the idle to
power transition while sitting on the tarmac. The was now a very definite hesitation
when you advance the throttle off of 40% unless it is done very slowly.
>
> I would appreciate and comments on what the problem might be and where to look
for the fix. Has anyone experienced this themselves?
>
> Thanks for you help!!!!
>
> Steve
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | CJ Emergency Parachute |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Rob Mortara" <rob@robinhill.com>
My butt says it's a good deal
rob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ernest Martinez
Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ Emergency Parachute
--> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
I did exactly that. The chute fits fine. Paid $800.00 to have them put
my C-9 chute in a new seat pack. I thought it was a good price at the
time, until I realized that I paid $800.00 for a piece of canvas and
some clasps. Dont really know if it was such a good deal.
Ernie
On 8/7/05, Jim Ivey <jim@jimivey.com> wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Jim Ivey <jim@jimivey.com>
>
> Does anybody have experience with the Strong Squadron-type seatpack
> parachutes?
> I have a Strong backpack and Strong gave me a great price at OSH to
re-install
> my old canopy into a Squadron chute container at a reasonable price. I
wonder
> how well the Srong Squadron, either type, fit into a CJ seatpan.
Comments?
>
> Jim Ivey
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Wolfman,
So it is to W and not TW. Glad you are back in the Air. A day with no air
under your ass is a long day indeed!
Viperdoc
Roger"Doc" Kemp
YAK 552SH
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| Subject: | Re: CJ Emergency Parachute |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Jim Ivey <jim@jimivey.com>
I was quoted $650.00 OSH special including any embroidering and a large
red star
with yellow outlining on the shoulder straps. I elected to go with military
green for the container. They are waiting for me to ship the old chute
to them
for transfer of the canopy. Between your comments and others I'm
mailng it off
tomorrow.
Jim Ivey
N46YK
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| Subject: | Re: CJ Emergency Parachute |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Jim,
It is about 1/2 the cost of a new seat pack. So it may not be a bad deal. I
added the 3 1/2 space foam pad to my second pack after not having it with
the first one. My but appreciated it a whole lot more. In the YAK it fits
perfect in the pan. I however put my canopy cover folded in the pan first.
It adds about an inch to the base of the pan and it got my knees an extra
inch or so of extension. For a tall guy, the extra inches helped with the
leg room.
Viperdoc
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Samuel Sax" <cd001633@mindspring.com>
Dennis and Roger, thanks for the info.
In my research, I have information that such conversion (Helicopter M-14 to
stock M-14P) is not at all that simple - i.e. changing nose case, drive
gear and front bearing housing/plate.
I also heard the Les Crowder was working on such conversion before he passed
away earlier this year.
Did anyone on the List actually worked or knows of someone who worked on
such conversion?
Tx,
Sam Sax
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of A. Dennis Savarese
Subject: Re: Yak-List: M14P Engines
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese"
<dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
Sam,
Steve Culp in Louisiana was selling several of the helicopter engines. As
you know, Steve has been involved in Yak's and M14's for years and is quite
knowledgeable about them. I would suggest you contact Steve directly at
culpspecial@yahoo.com. I'm pretty sure he can elaborate on the conversion.
Good luck,
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Samuel Sax" <cd001633@mindspring.com>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: M14P Engines
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Samuel Sax" <cd001633@mindspring.com>
>
> Does anyone know the story with the Helicopter version of the M-14P
> engines?
> There were several advertised for sale a while ago, and were represented
> as
> "practically identical powertrain and an easy conversion" to the stock
> M-14P
> (a different nose bowl and gears). Has anyone here on the list worked on
> these engines? if yes, what was the experience? Any Merit to the claim
> that
> they can be converted (modified) to be a stock engine for fixed wing (read
> Yak, CJ) aircraft flight?
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Sam Sax
>
>
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