Yak-List Digest Archive

Wed 08/10/05


Total Messages Posted: 21



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 12:13 AM - Re: on to the bombers (Barry Hancock)
     2. 06:27 AM - Formation Ramblings (MFilucci@aol.com)
     3. 06:48 AM - Yak Insurance (Scott Kirk)
     4. 07:32 AM - Re: Yak Insurance - Airpower Insurance (Tom Johnson) (Mark Schrick)
     5. 08:43 AM - Re: carbon (Brian Lloyd)
     6. 09:45 AM - contact info Mike Walsh (MFilucci@aol.com)
     7. 11:06 AM - Re: carbon (Roger Doc Kemp)
     8. 11:33 AM - Re: carbon (Jim Ivey)
     9. 12:36 PM - Re: Oshkosh M14P seminar (Jim Ivey)
    10. 01:29 PM - Re: Yak Insurance - Airpower Insurance (Tom Johnson) (Bitterlich GS11 Mark G)
    11. 01:38 PM - Re: Oshkosh M14P seminar (Richard Basiliere)
    12. 01:50 PM - Re: Yak Insurance (belov@iac52.org)
    13. 01:58 PM - Re: Oshkosh M14P seminar (Ernest Martinez)
    14. 02:01 PM - Re: Oshkosh M14P seminar (Ernest Martinez)
    15. 02:08 PM - Re: Yak Insurance (Rick Basiliere)
    16. 02:24 PM - Re: carbon (Greg Young)
    17. 02:43 PM - Re: Oshkosh M14P seminar (Roger Doc Kemp)
    18. 02:50 PM - Re: Oshkosh M14P seminar (Roger Doc Kemp)
    19. 03:09 PM - Re: Yak Insurance (Bitterlich GS11 Mark G)
    20. 05:37 PM - OSH Photos (Craig Payne)
    21. 07:39 PM - Re: OSH Photos (Roger Doc Kemp)
 
 
 


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    Time: 12:13:05 AM PST US
    From: Barry Hancock <barry@flyredstar.org>
    Subject: Re: on to the bombers
    --> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <barry@flyredstar.org> On Aug 9, 2005, at 11:58 PM, Yak-List Digest Server wrote: > That I get to fly the B-17 a lot lately adds to the work load, but you > know > me, I complain little about such chores. Honest guys its hard work! > :-} (I > don't think they believe me). Pappy, Break a leg, ya old fart! Geesh, I don't feel any less jealous, either. <sigh> OK, I take it back, don't break a leg.... ;)- Barry


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    Time: 06:27:26 AM PST US
    From: MFilucci@aol.com
    Subject: Formation Ramblings
    --> Yak-List message posted by: MFilucci@aol.com In a message dated 8/9/2005 7:52:46 PM Central Standard Time, cpayne@joimail.com writes: Now we have the Yaks, and CJ's. They are manuverable, yet solid for formation work. Slowly, we have amassed pilots, trained and sweated to get where we are today. Our edge? If anything it is that we learn from our mistakes and keep on improving. Flying a bit more acute also makes for interesting formations that other groups don't do. So are we in the tent yet? Well maybe not all the way but there is no more denying our presence. Where do we go from here? MOTS (more of the same). An airshow formation manual would be helpful though since airshow flying is different that straight FAST. We use non-standard procedures and "shortcuts" where prudent. However, I believe that a workable manual MUST be the product of cumulative input, not the vision of just a few, but input from all parts of the formation, tail-end Charlie included. Craig is right, it is because of all the hard work and dedication all of you have demonstrated that our group has been accepted into the warbird community. Each year our mass formations continue to get better at S&F and OSH. There is a "Chapter 7" to our formation manual, titled "Mass Formation," that is in the works right now--if any of you have something to contribute to the effort, please forward the material to me, off List, at mfilucci@aol.com Regards, Mike Filucci


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    Time: 06:48:28 AM PST US
    From: "Scott Kirk" <pilot8kcab@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Yak Insurance
    --> Yak-List message posted by: "Scott Kirk" <pilot8kcab@hotmail.com> Folks, I think from past posts there was/is someone on the Yak list who was/is also an insurance rep. and knowledgeable in Yak's and insurance and capable of obtaining reasonable quotes. Insurance will be expiring in a few months down the road and I would like to use an agent who is at least familiar with the aircraft. Anybody have contact info for such a person? Also, anybody willing to share (offline is fine) roughly what a Yak-55 insurance should approximately cost? Thanks, Scott http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/


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    Time: 07:32:29 AM PST US
    From: "Mark Schrick" <schrick@pacbell.net>
    Subject: Yak Insurance - Airpower Insurance (Tom Johnson)
    --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Schrick" <schrick@pacbell.net> Only ONE person you should go to for your insurance: Yak 50 owner and mechanic (good guy too!!!) Thomas Johnson Airpower Insurance, LLC 36 West Ocotillo Road Phoenix, AZ 85013-1235 Tel: 602-628-2701 Fax: 623-321-5843Thomas Johnson ******************************************************************** Mark Schrick 966 Wallace Drive San Jose, Ca 95120-1848 Hm/Fax 408-323-5150 Cell 408-391-6664 Email schrick@pacbell.net -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Kirk Subject: Yak-List: Yak Insurance --> Yak-List message posted by: "Scott Kirk" <pilot8kcab@hotmail.com> Folks, I think from past posts there was/is someone on the Yak list who was/is also an insurance rep. and knowledgeable in Yak's and insurance and capable of obtaining reasonable quotes. Insurance will be expiring in a few months down the road and I would like to use an agent who is at least familiar with the aircraft. Anybody have contact info for such a person? Also, anybody willing to share (offline is fine) roughly what a Yak-55 insurance should approximately cost? Thanks, Scott http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/


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    Time: 08:43:12 AM PST US
    From: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
    Subject: Re: carbon
    --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com> Walter Lannon wrote: > The original silicone RTV sealants do contain acetic acid and are corrosive > to aluminum ALLOYS. Pencil lead is extremely corrosive as well and should > never be used as a marking device. Whether these are detrimental to pure > aluminum or not I don''t know but that is immaterial since we are concerned > only with alloys, mostly the 2000 series which use copper as the main > alloying element. Ah, OK. So what does work safely? Again, I knew that graphite was detrimental to stainless but thought it was safe on aluminum and its alloys. > The newer silicone sealants do not have the acedic acid aroma and may or may > not be corrosive. I don't know but I make it standard practice to not use > ANY unknown product in direct contact with alumiminum alloy, I first prime > the material with De Soto Super Koropon to avoid such contact whether it is > sealer, contact cement or any similar product. Well, that makes sense. Use the primer as a buffer. > How is your project coming? Not well. Money got very tight so I decided to sell the project about 10 months ago. I couldn't get any takers so I ended up selling the engine, prop, louvers, SS exhaust, and mounting ring to Sean Carroll to use to do an M14P upgrade to Joe Nygard's airplane. To make a long story short, Sean refuses to pay the rest of the money he owes me (the deal was for 1/2 up front and 1/2 on delivery) so I am screwed. The story is a long one but the bottom line is that Sean got the engine and prop, Joe has a flying airplane, and I *don't* have my money. It turns out that I didn't find out that Sean has a history of not paying his bills in a "timely fashion" until *after* I had shipped the stuff. If some miracle occurs and I get paid I will certainly let you know. In the mean time, I am not going to hold my breath. Still, things are looking up for me financially and I hope to be able to resurrect the project later this year. I am reducing the scope of the project for obvious reasons. -- Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza brian-yak@lloyd.com Suite 201 http://www.lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802 +1.340.998.9447 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax) I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . . - Antoine de Saint-Exupery


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    Time: 09:45:31 AM PST US
    From: MFilucci@aol.com
    Subject: contact info Mike Walsh
    --> Yak-List message posted by: MFilucci@aol.com If anyone has email and/or phone number contact info for Mike Walsh, of Chino, California, please forward it to me off List at Mfilucci@aol.com Thanks, Mike


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    Time: 11:06:27 AM PST US
    From: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
    Subject: Re: carbon
    --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com> The only answer to CO is a tight fitting aviators mask and 100% 02 or a sealed rebreathing system with a C02 scruber (soda lime). Prolonged breathing of 100% 02 can cause supurative otis. You just have to clear your ears frequently after you land. If I were planning on spending 30-60 minutes with my head poked up in someone's slip stream breathing exhaust gas, I would have an 02 system installed. Might try contacting one of the spam can manufacturers for the name of the black tar-like sealer they use on the wing roots and firewalls around wiring to plug the holes. The wads that are on my Piper have been there for 20 years and have not caused corrosion. As to the dead beat bill payer, send him a formal invoice for the engine, prop, labor, and shipping. Send it for 3 months standing. When he does not pay up after 3 months, turn it over to the credit beaura for collections. If he does not pay up then, it goes on his credit report. You will eventually get your money when he tries to buy a car,a TV, or a house. Viperdoc Brian wrote: > It turns out that I didn't find out that Sean has a history of not paying his > bills in a "timely fashion" until *after* I had shipped the stuff. If some > miracle occurs and I get paid I will certainly let you know. In the mean time, > I am not going to hold my breath.


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    Time: 11:33:59 AM PST US
    From: "Jim Ivey" <jim@jimivey.com>
    Subject: carbon
    --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Ivey" <jim@jimivey.com> > > Ah, OK. So what does work safely? Again, I knew that graphite > was detrimental > to stainless but thought it was safe on aluminum and its alloys. > > Graphite and aluminum are spread apart far on the galvanic chart. A pencil mark on an aluminum part can turn into a crack years down the road. Sharpie permanent markers work great and are safe on Aluminum. Sharpie ink can be cleaned off later with acetone, MEK or other such solvents (good, strong and bad for you). I always cringe when I see A&P's marking compression readings on aluminum baffles with pencils. Not just because it's unsightly and unnecessary with logbook entries but because of the galvanic incompatibility. I ban pencils from my hangar. Jim Ivey N46YK


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    Time: 12:36:31 PM PST US
    From: "Jim Ivey" <jim@jimivey.com>
    Subject: Oshkosh M14P seminar
    --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Ivey" <jim@jimivey.com> Talk about coincidence. Upon attending George Coy's M14P seminar at OSH he stated that Aeroshell 15W-50 is incompatible with the M14P. Apparently it is the only oil he has encountered that ruins the engine pneumatic compressor within about 2 hours of flight time. Apparently the pump piston glazes against the cylinder when in contact with 15W-50. George uses straight-weight AD Aeroshell (W100 or W160, 50wt and 60wt respectfully). I use the same stuff he does and so was feeling pretty good about things. George said most other types of oils being used by M14 folks were also compatible with the compressor without worries. Wouldn't you know over Kansas on the way home from OSH I lost my air pump. The engine only has 200 hours on it but no more air charging and the snot bottle is completely depressurized. Thanks to my on-board electric air compressor I was able to complete the flight without wanting for air. It pumps at about 60% the rate of the engine compressor, which is plenty fine for topping off the system. Won't fly it until fixed now that it's in the hangar. Anybody know what typically causes the engine-driven compressor to shear it's shaft? Is this just a common part of M14P operations or should I look for clues to other problems? Jim Ivey N46YK


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    Time: 01:29:46 PM PST US
    From: Bitterlich GS11 Mark G <BitterlichMG@cherrypoint.usmc.mil>
    Subject: Yak Insurance - Airpower Insurance (Tom Johnson)
    --> Yak-List message posted by: Bitterlich GS11 Mark G <BitterlichMG@cherrypoint.usmc.mil> Concur.... After dealing with two other firms... Tom helped me out tremendously. Mark Bitterlich N50YK -----Original Message----- From: Mark Schrick [mailto:schrick@pacbell.net] Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak Insurance - Airpower Insurance (Tom Johnson) --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Schrick" <schrick@pacbell.net> Only ONE person you should go to for your insurance: Yak 50 owner and mechanic (good guy too!!!) Thomas Johnson Airpower Insurance, LLC 36 West Ocotillo Road Phoenix, AZ 85013-1235 Tel: 602-628-2701 Fax: 623-321-5843Thomas Johnson ******************************************************************** Mark Schrick 966 Wallace Drive San Jose, Ca 95120-1848 Hm/Fax 408-323-5150 Cell 408-391-6664 Email schrick@pacbell.net -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Kirk Subject: Yak-List: Yak Insurance --> Yak-List message posted by: "Scott Kirk" <pilot8kcab@hotmail.com> Folks, I think from past posts there was/is someone on the Yak list who was/is also an insurance rep. and knowledgeable in Yak's and insurance and capable of obtaining reasonable quotes. Insurance will be expiring in a few months down the road and I would like to use an agent who is at least familiar with the aircraft. Anybody have contact info for such a person? Also, anybody willing to share (offline is fine) roughly what a Yak-55 insurance should approximately cost? Thanks, Scott http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/


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    Time: 01:38:55 PM PST US
    From: "Richard Basiliere" <BasiliereR@ci.boulder.co.us>
    Subject: Oshkosh M14P seminar
    --> Yak-List message posted by: "Richard Basiliere" <BasiliereR@ci.boulder.co.us> I had over 800 hours on my SU-29 before it went through it's first pump. Not a common problem...I guess Rick b >>> jim@jimivey.com 8/10/2005 1:35:22 PM >>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Ivey" <jim@jimivey.com> Talk about coincidence. Upon attending George Coy's M14P seminar at OSH he stated that Aeroshell 15W-50 is incompatible with the M14P. Apparently it is the only oil he has encountered that ruins the engine pneumatic compressor within about 2 hours of flight time. Apparently the pump piston glazes against the cylinder when in contact with 15W-50. George uses straight-weight AD Aeroshell (W100 or W160, 50wt and 60wt respectfully). I use the same stuff he does and so was feeling pretty good about things. George said most other types of oils being used by M14 folks were also compatible with the compressor without worries. Wouldn't you know over Kansas on the way home from OSH I lost my air pump. The engine only has 200 hours on it but no more air charging and the snot bottle is completely depressurized. Thanks to my on-board electric air compressor I was able to complete the flight without wanting for air. It pumps at about 60% the rate of the engine compressor, which is plenty fine for topping off the system. Won't fly it until fixed now that it's in the hangar. Anybody know what typically causes the engine-driven compressor to shear it's shaft? Is this just a common part of M14P operations or should I look for clues to other problems? Jim Ivey N46YK


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    Time: 01:50:39 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Yak Insurance
    From: belov@iac52.org
    --> Yak-List message posted by: belov@iac52.org Ah!!! You don't need no stinking insurance. Look at Drew, he didn't have any!! HAHAHA > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Scott Kirk" <pilot8kcab@hotmail.com> > > Folks, > > I think from past posts there was/is someone on the Yak list who was/is > also > an insurance rep. and knowledgeable in Yak's and insurance and capable of > obtaining reasonable quotes. Insurance will be expiring in a few months > down the road and I would like to use an agent who is at least familiar > with > the aircraft. Anybody have contact info for such a person? Also, anybody > willing to share (offline is fine) roughly what a Yak-55 insurance should > approximately cost? > > Thanks, > Scott > > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > >


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    Time: 01:58:02 PM PST US
    From: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Oshkosh M14P seminar
    --> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com> A buddy of mine has had to disassemble his compressor twice in a year due to the poppet valve on the top of the compressor sticking. The only notable thing is that he uses aero shell 100w rather than the phillips. Ernie On 8/10/05, Richard Basiliere <BasiliereR@ci.boulder.co.us> wrote: > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Richard Basiliere" <BasiliereR@ci.boulder.co.us> > > I had over 800 hours on my SU-29 before it went through it's first pump. > Not a common problem...I guess > Rick b > > >>> jim@jimivey.com 8/10/2005 1:35:22 PM >>> > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Ivey" <jim@jimivey.com> > > Talk about coincidence. Upon attending George Coy's M14P seminar at > OSH he > stated that Aeroshell 15W-50 is incompatible with the M14P. Apparently > it > is the only oil he has encountered that ruins the engine pneumatic > compressor within about 2 hours of flight time. Apparently the pump > piston > glazes against the cylinder when in contact with 15W-50. George uses > straight-weight AD Aeroshell (W100 or W160, 50wt and 60wt > respectfully). I > use the same stuff he does and so was feeling pretty good about > things. > George said most other types of oils being used by M14 folks were also > compatible with the compressor without worries. > > Wouldn't you know over Kansas on the way home from OSH I lost my air > pump. > The engine only has 200 hours on it but no more air charging and the > snot > bottle is completely depressurized. Thanks to my on-board electric > air > compressor I was able to complete the flight without wanting for air. > It > pumps at about 60% the rate of the engine compressor, which is plenty > fine > for topping off the system. Won't fly it until fixed now that it's in > the > hangar. > > Anybody know what typically causes the engine-driven compressor to > shear > it's shaft? Is this just a common part of M14P operations or should I > look > for clues to other problems? > > Jim Ivey > N46YK > > > > > > >


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    Time: 02:01:57 PM PST US
    From: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Oshkosh M14P seminar
    --> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com> I should have said "Poppet valve on top of the "Piston"" Ernie On 8/10/05, Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com> wrote: > A buddy of mine has had to disassemble his compressor twice in a year > due to the poppet valve on the top of the compressor sticking. The > only notable thing is that he uses aero shell 100w rather than the > phillips. > > Ernie > > On 8/10/05, Richard Basiliere <BasiliereR@ci.boulder.co.us> wrote: > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Richard Basiliere" <BasiliereR@ci.boulder.co.us> > > > > I had over 800 hours on my SU-29 before it went through it's first pump. > > Not a common problem...I guess > > Rick b > > > > >>> jim@jimivey.com 8/10/2005 1:35:22 PM >>> > > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Ivey" <jim@jimivey.com> > > > > Talk about coincidence. Upon attending George Coy's M14P seminar at > > OSH he > > stated that Aeroshell 15W-50 is incompatible with the M14P. Apparently > > it > > is the only oil he has encountered that ruins the engine pneumatic > > compressor within about 2 hours of flight time. Apparently the pump > > piston > > glazes against the cylinder when in contact with 15W-50. George uses > > straight-weight AD Aeroshell (W100 or W160, 50wt and 60wt > > respectfully). I > > use the same stuff he does and so was feeling pretty good about > > things. > > George said most other types of oils being used by M14 folks were also > > compatible with the compressor without worries. > > > > Wouldn't you know over Kansas on the way home from OSH I lost my air > > pump. > > The engine only has 200 hours on it but no more air charging and the > > snot > > bottle is completely depressurized. Thanks to my on-board electric > > air > > compressor I was able to complete the flight without wanting for air. > > It > > pumps at about 60% the rate of the engine compressor, which is plenty > > fine > > for topping off the system. Won't fly it until fixed now that it's in > > the > > hangar. > > > > Anybody know what typically causes the engine-driven compressor to > > shear > > it's shaft? Is this just a common part of M14P operations or should I > > look > > for clues to other problems? > > > > Jim Ivey > > N46YK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 02:08:57 PM PST US
    From: Rick Basiliere <discrab@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: Yak Insurance
    --> Yak-List message posted by: Rick Basiliere <discrab@earthlink.net> I pay about a grand a year for my -55 @60K hull through Falcon - the one advanced by the IAC. Just FYI...is there any better $ out there? Rick b -----Original Message----- From: belov@iac52.org Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak Insurance --> Yak-List message posted by: belov@iac52.org Ah!!! You don't need no stinking insurance. Look at Drew, he didn't have any!! HAHAHA > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Scott Kirk" <pilot8kcab@hotmail.com> > > Folks, > > I think from past posts there was/is someone on the Yak list who was/is > also > an insurance rep. and knowledgeable in Yak's and insurance and capable of > obtaining reasonable quotes. Insurance will be expiring in a few months > down the road and I would like to use an agent who is at least familiar > with > the aircraft. Anybody have contact info for such a person? Also, anybody > willing to share (offline is fine) roughly what a Yak-55 insurance should > approximately cost? > > Thanks, > Scott > > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > >


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    Time: 02:24:10 PM PST US
    Subject: carbon
    From: "Greg Young" <gyoung@cs-sol.com>
    --> Yak-List message posted by: "Greg Young" <gyoung@cs-sol.com> Sharpies are the homebuilders choice for marking aluminum. I buy em by the box. Beware that they will bleed thru both primer and top coats so remove markings with anything from denatured alcohol to MEK before painting. I wouldn't sweat the acedic acid in RTV either. It will serve to etch the surface to promote adhesion. We use it on RV's in the elevator trailing edge. No worse that self etching primers which contain phosphoric acid. Regards, Greg Young ________________________________ --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com> Walter Lannon wrote: > The original silicone RTV sealants do contain acetic acid and are corrosive > to aluminum ALLOYS. Pencil lead is extremely corrosive as well and should > never be used as a marking device. Whether these are detrimental to pure > aluminum or not I don''t know but that is immaterial since we are concerned > only with alloys, mostly the 2000 series which use copper as the main > alloying element. Ah, OK. So what does work safely? Again, I knew that graphite was detrimental to stainless but thought it was safe on aluminum and its alloys. > The newer silicone sealants do not have the acedic acid aroma and may or may > not be corrosive. I don't know but I make it standard practice to not use > ANY unknown product in direct contact with alumiminum alloy, I first prime > the material with De Soto Super Koropon to avoid such contact whether it is > sealer, contact cement or any similar product. Well, that makes sense. Use the primer as a buffer.


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    Time: 02:43:02 PM PST US
    From: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
    Subject: Re: Oshkosh M14P seminar
    --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com> Well....Just...POPPET it All! Doc > [Original Message] > From: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com> > To: <yak-list@matronics.com> > Date: 8/10/2005 4:01:50 PM > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Oshkosh M14P seminar > > --> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com> > > I should have said "Poppet valve on top of the "Piston"" > > Ernie > > On 8/10/05, Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com> wrote: > > A buddy of mine has had to disassemble his compressor twice in a year > > due to the poppet valve on the top of the compressor sticking. The > > only notable thing is that he uses aero shell 100w rather than the > > phillips. > > > > Ernie > > > > On 8/10/05, Richard Basiliere <BasiliereR@ci.boulder.co.us> wrote: > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Richard Basiliere" <BasiliereR@ci.boulder.co.us> > > > > > > I had over 800 hours on my SU-29 before it went through it's first pump. > > > Not a common problem...I guess > > > Rick b > > > > > > >>> jim@jimivey.com 8/10/2005 1:35:22 PM >>> > > > > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Ivey" <jim@jimivey.com> > > > > > > Talk about coincidence. Upon attending George Coy's M14P seminar at > > > OSH he > > > stated that Aeroshell 15W-50 is incompatible with the M14P. Apparently > > > it > > > is the only oil he has encountered that ruins the engine pneumatic > > > compressor within about 2 hours of flight time. Apparently the pump > > > piston > > > glazes against the cylinder when in contact with 15W-50. George uses > > > straight-weight AD Aeroshell (W100 or W160, 50wt and 60wt > > > respectfully). I > > > use the same stuff he does and so was feeling pretty good about > > > things. > > > George said most other types of oils being used by M14 folks were also > > > compatible with the compressor without worries. > > > > > > Wouldn't you know over Kansas on the way home from OSH I lost my air > > > pump. > > > The engine only has 200 hours on it but no more air charging and the > > > snot > > > bottle is completely depressurized. Thanks to my on-board electric > > > air > > > compressor I was able to complete the flight without wanting for air. > > > It > > > pumps at about 60% the rate of the engine compressor, which is plenty > > > fine > > > for topping off the system. Won't fly it until fixed now that it's in > > > the > > > hangar. > > > > > > Anybody know what typically causes the engine-driven compressor to > > > shear > > > it's shaft? Is this just a common part of M14P operations or should I > > > look > > > for clues to other problems? > > > > > > Jim Ivey > > > N46YK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 02:50:02 PM PST US
    From: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
    Subject: Oshkosh M14P seminar
    --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com> Shearing of the compressor shaft is generally associated with the engine running backwards after shutdown. That is usually due to not "scavaging" the engine before shutting down. IE: running the %RPM up to 70% for 30 sec. and slowly pulling back to idle shut off. The Russian manual says to close the fuel shut off valve when the power is reduced to idle. Next question? Was it the compressor shear pin that let go or was it the push rod in the compressor? Doc > [Original Message] > From: Jim Ivey <jim@jimivey.com> > To: <yak-list@matronics.com> > Date: 8/10/2005 2:35:55 PM > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Oshkosh M14P seminar > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Ivey" <jim@jimivey.com> > > Talk about coincidence. Upon attending George Coy's M14P seminar at OSH he > stated that Aeroshell 15W-50 is incompatible with the M14P. Apparently it > is the only oil he has encountered that ruins the engine pneumatic > compressor within about 2 hours of flight time. Apparently the pump piston > glazes against the cylinder when in contact with 15W-50. George uses > straight-weight AD Aeroshell (W100 or W160, 50wt and 60wt respectfully). I > use the same stuff he does and so was feeling pretty good about things. > George said most other types of oils being used by M14 folks were also > compatible with the compressor without worries. > > Wouldn't you know over Kansas on the way home from OSH I lost my air pump. > The engine only has 200 hours on it but no more air charging and the snot > bottle is completely depressurized. Thanks to my on-board electric air > compressor I was able to complete the flight without wanting for air. It > pumps at about 60% the rate of the engine compressor, which is plenty fine > for topping off the system. Won't fly it until fixed now that it's in the > hangar. > > Anybody know what typically causes the engine-driven compressor to shear > it's shaft? Is this just a common part of M14P operations or should I look > for clues to other problems? > > Jim Ivey > N46YK > >


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    Time: 03:09:33 PM PST US
    From: Bitterlich GS11 Mark G <BitterlichMG@cherrypoint.usmc.mil>
    Subject: Yak Insurance
    --> Yak-List message posted by: Bitterlich GS11 Mark G <BitterlichMG@cherrypoint.usmc.mil> That is a VERY good price. When I had "zero" hours in my YAK-50 and only 100 in tail draggers total... I paid $2600. YIKES. I now have 600 hours in tail draggers and am still paying over $1600. You're doing well. Mark Bitterlich N50YK -----Original Message----- From: Rick Basiliere [mailto:discrab@earthlink.net] Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak Insurance --> Yak-List message posted by: Rick Basiliere <discrab@earthlink.net> I pay about a grand a year for my -55 @60K hull through Falcon - the one advanced by the IAC. Just FYI...is there any better $ out there? Rick b -----Original Message----- From: belov@iac52.org Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak Insurance --> Yak-List message posted by: belov@iac52.org Ah!!! You don't need no stinking insurance. Look at Drew, he didn't have any!! HAHAHA > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Scott Kirk" <pilot8kcab@hotmail.com> > > Folks, > > I think from past posts there was/is someone on the Yak list who was/is > also > an insurance rep. and knowledgeable in Yak's and insurance and capable of > obtaining reasonable quotes. Insurance will be expiring in a few months > down the road and I would like to use an agent who is at least familiar > with > the aircraft. Anybody have contact info for such a person? Also, anybody > willing to share (offline is fine) roughly what a Yak-55 insurance should > approximately cost? > > Thanks, > Scott > > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > >


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    Time: 05:37:36 PM PST US
    From: "Craig Payne" <cpayne@joimail.com>
    Subject: OSH Photos
    --> Yak-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <cpayne@joimail.com> Come on guys, share those great formation photos I saw at Oshkosh on the Matronics Photoshare site for everyone to see. Craig Payne cpayne@joimail.com


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    Time: 07:39:03 PM PST US
    From: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
    Subject: OSH Photos
    --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com> Craig, I believe I have seen some 100 photos on the matronics photoshare of OSH. Or maybe I was hallucinating. That is possible lately with the way my schedule had degraded to dog shiza (sp)! The Burger King mentality in Medicine is BS! Doc > [Original Message] > From: Craig Payne <cpayne@joimail.com> > To: yak-list <yak-list@matronics.com> > Date: 8/10/2005 7:36:52 PM > Subject: Yak-List: OSH Photos > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <cpayne@joimail.com> > > Come on guys, share those great formation photos I saw at Oshkosh on the Matronics Photoshare site for everyone to see. > > > Craig Payne > cpayne@joimail.com > >




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