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1. 03:44 AM - Selma Buffonery (Craig Payne)
2. 05:18 AM - Yak TD (Frank Haertlein)
3. 05:20 AM - Re: Selma Buffonery (Stephen Fox)
4. 02:39 PM - Re: Yak TD (A. Dennis Savarese)
5. 03:46 PM - powered up CJ5's (Doug Sapp)
6. 04:41 PM - Re: Yak TD (Frank Haertlein)
7. 07:14 PM - YAK-52 TD (Roger Doc Kemp)
8. 08:15 PM - Re: YAK-52 TD (A. Dennis Savarese)
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <cpayne@joimail.com>
Red Air Fling Attendees to Be,
There is a proud tradition of Unit Dinners in combat and combat close support
units throughout U.S. military history, unlike rather dignified affairs such as
Captain's Mess on-board big carriers or Regimental Dinners in the UK; what I'm
talking about are those raucous Animal House affairs of yesteryear where no
one was spared the jibe...well almost, lighten up on the Skipper, else one could
pull extra duty at Dawn. No damage to the facilities please but we MUST have
a Sat. night "Awards" banquet.
Awards? Yep. The obvious are:
Chairman's Choice for Best CJ (Sorry but Mao can't be present, he's laid up for
awhile)
Comrade's Choice for Best Yak (Stalin just left the house, with Elvis of course)
Glorious Hero of the RedStars (Best formation pilot)
Order of the RedStar (Most Improved formation pilot)
Siberian Gulag Award (Worst screwup, if earned, otherwise filed)
Help, I need a few more suggestions please. Bear in mind that Red is our color
here not Blue so forgo the Whisky Delta jokes and Longest Pitot Tube awards here.
Craig Payne
cpayne@joimail.com
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Just got a price quote on the taildragger kit from Termikas. 45,000.00
($81,661.54) for the kit. 10,000.00 ($18,147.01) is refunded when they get
your old wings back. That comes to $63514. I think that is for a turnkey
conversion.
Couldn't determine from the quote if you can buy the kit and do the
installation yourself. Been wanting to do this conversion for awhile now but
at that price I can design and build my own composite wings.
Hmmmmm? That Radial Rocket is looking better all the time.
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frank Haertlein
Subject: Yak-List: Yak TD
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
--> <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
"Inquired about 6 months ago--kit was $50,000"
50K for a freakin' taildragger kit? 50K will buy me an fastbuild F1 Rocket
kit. I can cruise at 250MPH with that. Why would an idiot put that much into
a YAK TD conversion? Better yet, how about that Radial Rocket kit? 44K for
that kit and then you really have something. I can use the engine out of my
52 and then junk the rest and still be ahead. But 50K for just a TD
conversion? Somebody ain't pricing things right. Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ADE
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak TD
--> Yak-List message posted by: ADE <coolade@cox.net>
Inquired about 6 months ago--kit was $50,000, they modify your wings or
exchange, they said it could be installed in 125 man/hrs.
On Aug 12, 2005, at 6:52 PM, DaBear wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: DaBear <dabear@damned.org>
>
> Anyone know what the cost of the conversion from a Yak-52 to a Yak-52TD
> is? I wonder if it could be done to a CJ?
>
> Al
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Selma Buffonery |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Stephen Fox <jsfox@adelphia.net>
Definitely need a Hangar Queen award - CJ or Yak
Steve "SOB" Fox
Yak 52
N3043R
http://homepage.mac.com/steve.fox/PhotoAlbum5.html
On Aug 14, 2005, at 6:44 AM, Craig Payne wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <cpayne@joimail.com>
>
> Red Air Fling Attendees to Be,
>
> There is a proud tradition of Unit Dinners in combat and combat
> close support units throughout U.S. military history, unlike
> rather dignified affairs such as Captain's Mess on-board big
> carriers or Regimental Dinners in the UK; what I'm talking about
> are those raucous Animal House affairs of yesteryear where no one
> was spared the jibe...well almost, lighten up on the Skipper, else
> one could pull extra duty at Dawn. No damage to the facilities
> please but we MUST have a Sat. night "Awards" banquet.
>
> Awards? Yep. The obvious are:
>
> Chairman's Choice for Best CJ (Sorry but Mao can't be present, he's
> laid up for awhile)
> Comrade's Choice for Best Yak (Stalin just left the house, with
> Elvis of course)
> Glorious Hero of the RedStars (Best formation pilot)
> Order of the RedStar (Most Improved formation pilot)
> Siberian Gulag Award (Worst screwup, if earned, otherwise filed)
>
> Help, I need a few more suggestions please. Bear in mind that Red
> is our color here not Blue so forgo the Whisky Delta jokes and
> Longest Pitot Tube awards here.
>
>
> Craig Payne
> cpayne@joimail.com
>
>
Steve "SOB" Fox
Yak 52
N3043R
http://homepage.mac.com/steve.fox/PhotoAlbum5.html
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
Frank,
I am pretty sure the 45000 EURO's ($56,000 US as of today) is the kit price,
not including installation. Then add another $10K US for repainting your
airplane AFTER you do the conversion. Don't forget the cost of the shipment
in the container both ways. Figure another $8-9K US round trip.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Subject: Yak-List: Yak TD
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
> <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
>
> Just got a price quote on the taildragger kit from Termikas. 45,000.00
> ($81,661.54) for the kit. 10,000.00 ($18,147.01) is refunded when they
> get
> your old wings back. That comes to $63514. I think that is for a turnkey
> conversion.
>
> Couldn't determine from the quote if you can buy the kit and do the
> installation yourself. Been wanting to do this conversion for awhile now
> but
> at that price I can design and build my own composite wings.
>
> Hmmmmm? That Radial Rocket is looking better all the time.
>
> Frank
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frank Haertlein
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Yak TD
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
> --> <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
>
> "Inquired about 6 months ago--kit was $50,000"
>
> 50K for a freakin' taildragger kit? 50K will buy me an fastbuild F1 Rocket
> kit. I can cruise at 250MPH with that. Why would an idiot put that much
> into
> a YAK TD conversion? Better yet, how about that Radial Rocket kit? 44K for
> that kit and then you really have something. I can use the engine out of
> my
> 52 and then junk the rest and still be ahead. But 50K for just a TD
> conversion? Somebody ain't pricing things right. Frank
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ADE
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak TD
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: ADE <coolade@cox.net>
>
> Inquired about 6 months ago--kit was $50,000, they modify your wings or
> exchange, they said it could be installed in 125 man/hrs.
> On Aug 12, 2005, at 6:52 PM, DaBear wrote:
>
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: DaBear <dabear@damned.org>
>>
>> Anyone know what the cost of the conversion from a Yak-52 to a Yak-52TD
>> is? I wonder if it could be done to a CJ?
>>
>> Al
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | powered up CJ5's |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
As many of you know I am in the process (have been for 2 years now) of
completely rebuilding a CJ5 / Yak 18 down to the last nut bolt and screw.
In doing so we have decided to re engine it with a M14B, and thanks to
Batman, a three bladed Whirlwind. The Mini yak, or as Bill Shepard calls it
my Yak 10 1/2, will hopefully fly in the spring.
As to the availability and pricing of good solid rebuildable projects, I
have brought in 3 additional aircraft, with two placed in CA and one in
Australia. We have just acquired a fourth aircraft and have made offers on
another. Both are in China at his time and will be offered at about 30K
each once the deal is firmed on the second aircraft.
If my research is correct there are only 6 flying examples in the world
today, with another 4 or 5 in rebuild. Spares are ample to support the
aircraft and many components are the same as used on the CJ6. For photos
and more information please contact me off list.
One note, at this time there is only one powered up CJ5 / yak 18 in
existence in the US that I know of. It belonged to Bob Kantner of CA. I am
told that it is wearing a 220 or 260 hp Cont. radial and is a great
performer. I am told it recently sold to a gentleman in NV. I was hoping
to see it at ARS this year, but he did not show. Tom Elliott do you know
the name of the new owner?? Hopefully we will be successful in recruiting
him into our ranks and that the aircraft will be at ARS 06.
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Mark Jefferies
YAK UK Ltd
Subject: Yak-List: YAK52TD
--> Yak-List message posted by: Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd <mark.j@yakuk.com>
and more info at www.yakuk.com/yak52TD.asp
It was done to the CJ, in fact it was a tail dragger first, the CJ5. Get one
of those and up engine it and you have what your looking for. Simple as
that. I belive there are some in USA with big engines.
A couple of CJ5 being offered in china at pressent at 250,000USD. hardly an
investment!! Just the seller has expectations that the buyers in the west
have pockets full of gold.
br, mj
--> Yak-List message posted by: DaBear <dabear@damned.org>
Anyone know what the cost of the conversion from a Yak-52 to a
Yak-52TD
is? I wonder if it could be done to a CJ?
Al
Best regards, Mark
www.yakuk.com
+44 (0)1767 651156 office +44 (0)7785 538 317 mobile
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
OOOPPS, I used English "pounds" in my conversion. Now that you mention it
maybe that quote was in Euros. No wonder the price seemed way, way outta
line. Sorry 'bout that.
Still, 56K seems a little steep when you can get near any high performance
kit aircraft for that price.....and these are fastbuild kits with way more
work put into them than what has to be done with the TD conversion. Somebody
thinks we all have pockets lined with gold.
There's two and a half things that have made CJ's and YAK's popular here in
the US, inexpensive acquisition costs coupled with great airplanes. What's
the 1/2? Probly RedStars :)
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis Savarese
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak TD
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese"
--> <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
Frank,
I am pretty sure the 45000 EURO's ($56,000 US as of today) is the kit price,
not including installation. Then add another $10K US for repainting your
airplane AFTER you do the conversion. Don't forget the cost of the shipment
in the container both ways. Figure another $8-9K US round trip. Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Subject: Yak-List: Yak TD
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
> <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
>
> Just got a price quote on the taildragger kit from Termikas. 45,000.00
> ($81,661.54) for the kit. 10,000.00 ($18,147.01) is refunded when
> they
> get
> your old wings back. That comes to $63514. I think that is for a turnkey
> conversion.
>
> Couldn't determine from the quote if you can buy the kit and do the
> installation yourself. Been wanting to do this conversion for awhile
> now but at that price I can design and build my own composite wings.
>
> Hmmmmm? That Radial Rocket is looking better all the time.
>
> Frank
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frank
> Haertlein
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Yak TD
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
> --> <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
>
> "Inquired about 6 months ago--kit was $50,000"
>
> 50K for a freakin' taildragger kit? 50K will buy me an fastbuild F1
> Rocket kit. I can cruise at 250MPH with that. Why would an idiot put
> that much into a YAK TD conversion? Better yet, how about that Radial
> Rocket kit? 44K for that kit and then you really have something. I can
> use the engine out of my
> 52 and then junk the rest and still be ahead. But 50K for just a TD
> conversion? Somebody ain't pricing things right. Frank
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ADE
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak TD
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: ADE <coolade@cox.net>
>
> Inquired about 6 months ago--kit was $50,000, they modify your wings
> or exchange, they said it could be installed in 125 man/hrs. On Aug
> 12, 2005, at 6:52 PM, DaBear wrote:
>
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: DaBear <dabear@damned.org>
>>
>> Anyone know what the cost of the conversion from a Yak-52 to a Yak-52TD
>> is? I wonder if it could be done to a CJ?
>>
>> Al
>>
>>
>
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Frank,
I had thought about a TD at one time same as I thought about a L-39. It all came
down to cost benefit ratios. The benefit of the TD was: 1) It looks cool 2)
It cost less than a TW 3)It supposedly flies faster than the 52. The L-39 also
looks cool, does fly a hell of a lot faster, and cost about the same as a TW.
The cost in this deal is why I have not purchased either of the 3, TD, TW, or
39.
For all the above cost, I can operate my "Nose Dragging 52" for a looooonnnnnggggg
time. The idea here is to have fun economically. And we all know....Economics
are relative. Just depends on how much you want to pay for the fun you have.
For me, I'm keeping the "nose dragging 52" and having economical fun! After
all, the grass is just as green in this pasture as it is on the otherside of
the fence.
Doc
Roger "Doc" Kemp
viperdoc@mindspring.com
If it don't sound Round...Why listen?
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
According to Tim Williams (52TW) who flew along side of Bill Walker's TD at
OSH, they are definitely NOT any faster. It's the Clark Y airfoil. Can't
make it go much faster than it already is.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Subject: Yak-List: YAK-52 TD
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>
> Frank,
> I had thought about a TD at one time same as I thought about a L-39. It
> all came down to cost benefit ratios. The benefit of the TD was: 1) It
> looks cool 2) It cost less than a TW 3)It supposedly flies faster than the
> 52. The L-39 also looks cool, does fly a hell of a lot faster, and cost
> about the same as a TW. The cost in this deal is why I have not purchased
> either of the 3, TD, TW, or 39.
> For all the above cost, I can operate my "Nose Dragging 52" for a
> looooonnnnnggggg time. The idea here is to have fun economically. And we
> all know....Economics are relative. Just depends on how much you want to
> pay for the fun you have. For me, I'm keeping the "nose dragging 52" and
> having economical fun! After all, the grass is just as green in this
> pasture as it is on the otherside of the fence.
> Doc
>
>
> Roger "Doc" Kemp
> viperdoc@mindspring.com
> If it don't sound Round...Why listen?
>
>
>
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