Today's Message Index:
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1. 08:35 AM - EAA NE Fly-In (Stephen Fox)
2. 10:19 AM - Re: Yak Air Bottles (Doug Sapp)
3. 12:21 PM - South African Yakkers: Tires (Mike Beresford)
4. 12:36 PM - RPA Officers, Board Members and Regional Coordinators (ByronMFox@aol.com)
5. 02:04 PM - P-51 Preliminary (Jeff Linebaugh)
6. 02:11 PM - Preliminary Formation Midair Report (Jeff Linebaugh)
7. 02:28 PM - Re: P-51 Preliminary (Brian Lloyd)
8. 02:29 PM - Re: Preliminary Formation Midair Report (Brian Lloyd)
9. 02:32 PM - Re: Yak-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 08/16/05 (Cj6sly@cs.com)
10. 02:43 PM - Re: P-51 Preliminary (Roger Doc Kemp)
11. 02:54 PM - Re: Yak-List Digest: 14 Msgs - 08/07/05 (Cj6sly@cs.com)
12. 02:54 PM - Re: P-51 Preliminary (Greg Young)
13. 02:58 PM - re preliminary (Terry)
14. 03:07 PM - Re: P-51 Preliminary (Roger Doc Kemp)
15. 03:22 PM - Re: Preliminary Formation Midair Report (Walter Lannon)
16. 03:59 PM - Re: Preliminary Formation Midair Report (Walt Fricke)
17. 05:11 PM - Re: P-51 Preliminary (Brian Lloyd)
18. 05:36 PM - Re: P-51 Preliminary (Roger Doc Kemp)
19. 05:40 PM - P-51 (Roger Doc Kemp)
20. 06:26 PM - Reno Tickets (Dan Unger)
21. 07:03 PM - List problem (Jay Land)
22. 07:05 PM - Re: List problem (Matt Dralle)
23. 07:30 PM - Re: List problem (Roger Doc Kemp)
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Steve Connolly <sconnolly4@connollybrothers.co>,
Mark Haskell <N52MY@suscom-maine.net>
--> Yak-List message posted by: Stephen Fox <jsfox@adelphia.net>
For those of you are free this weekend and in the NE (Rob and Marj
your busy so this email's not for you :) ) The EAA is having their NE
Regional Fly-In this weekend at GFL (Glenn Falls) 8/19-2. I just
spoke to the organizer and there are a few Yaks scheduled to be there
and a few more would be great! A few CJs would be OK too.
Steve "SOB" Fox
Yak 52
N3043R
http://homepage.mac.com/steve.fox/PhotoAlbum5.html
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Al,
Not a stupid question at all, the problem is that the space is limited and
we are trying to come up with a stainless steel or glass bottle which will
fit both the 52's and the CJ's stock mounting location. Progress is being
made but the going is slow. As of this writing I still do not have a scrap
52 bottle. Anyone out there that has a N/G 52 bottle please contact me off
list.
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of DaBear
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak Air Bottles
--> Yak-List message posted by: DaBear <dabear@damned.org>
Doug,
Stupid question, but how about going the reverse route for air
bottles. Having someone modify brackets/system to use standard
scuba/air bottles. That makes the modification easy and replacing
standard bottles later very cheap.
Al
Doug Sapp wrote:
>--> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
>
>Yakers,
>I'm on it! I have 3 companies looking at the task and will be getting back
>to me with bids, However I do not have a set of Yak 52 tanks to use as a
>pattern. Anyone out there have a set of junk Yak 52 tanks to donate to the
>cause??
>
>Always Yakin,
>Doug Sapp
>
>
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| Subject: | South African Yakkers: Tires |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Mike Beresford <mike_beresford@yahoo.co.uk>
Hi all
I'm going to be bringing some tires into the country
in the next few days. If anyone wants to order some,
please let me know ASAP, as this will reduce the
overall transport cost.
Tel 083-654-4719 or 012-351-2770.
Thanks
Blue skies
Mike Beresford
ZU-CWO
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| Subject: | RPA Officers, Board Members and Regional Coordinators |
--> Yak-List message posted by: ByronMFox@aol.com
If you hold any official position with the Red Star Pilots Association,
please contact me off list. I need to complete a chore which involves you.
Thanks, Blitz
Byron M Fox
The RPA Store
80 Milland Drive
Mill Valley, CA 94941
415-307-2405 Cell Days
415-380-0907 Home Eves
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| Subject: | P-51 Preliminary |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jeff Linebaugh" <jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net>
Here is the link for the preliminary NTSB report on the P-51 loss at OSH:
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id20050801X01131&key1
Jeff Linebaugh
jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net
CJ-6P N621CJ
Memphis, TN
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| Subject: | Preliminary Formation Midair Report |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jeff Linebaugh" <jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net>
Here is a link for preliminary NTSB report of the formation Mid-air that
occurred recently between an RV-8 and a Long Eze...
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id20050726X01098&key1
Y'all be careful...
Jeff Linebaugh
jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net
CJ-6P N621CJ
Memphis, TN
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| Subject: | Re: P-51 Preliminary |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Jeff Linebaugh wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jeff Linebaugh" <jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net>
>
> Here is the link for the preliminary NTSB report on the P-51 loss at OSH:
>
> http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id20050801X01131&key1
Nothing is coming up and I do not get any hits on the database when I search.
Can you verify the link?
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
brian-yak@lloyd.com Suite 201
http://www.lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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| Subject: | Re: Preliminary Formation Midair Report |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Jeff Linebaugh wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jeff Linebaugh" <jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net>
>
> Here is a link for preliminary NTSB report of the formation Mid-air that
> occurred recently between an RV-8 and a Long Eze...
>
> http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id20050726X01098&key1
This one doesn't resolve either. Make sure you are getting the full link and
it isn't getting chopped off.
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
brian-yak@lloyd.com Suite 201
http://www.lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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| Subject: | Re: Yak-List Digest: 5 Msgs - 08/16/05 |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Cj6sly@cs.com
In a message dated 8/17/2005 1:00:52 AM Mountain Standard Time,
yak-list-digest@matronics.com writes:
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Paul" <3bar@telus.net>
>
> Hello Gang,
>
Hello Yakistas,
My Votage Regulator has gone West and I'm looking for anyone who might have
the Solid State VR that the Chinese AF used when they modified their aircraft.
It's the slim flat box that goes inon the rack behind the pilot's seat.
Mounted on the frame behind the firewall, where the older style VR's are, is a
plate
with a plug which serves as a heat dissipator. Don't need that. Any White
Knights out there?
Skip Slyfield
cj6sly@cs.com
435-901-0549
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| Subject: | P-51 Preliminary |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Would appear to be Spatial Disorientation as the primary cause of loss of
aircraft control.
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: Jeff Linebaugh <jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net>
> To: yak-list@matronics. com <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 8/17/2005 4:03:22 PM
> Subject: Yak-List: P-51 Preliminary
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jeff Linebaugh"
<jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net>
>
> Here is the link for the preliminary NTSB report on the P-51 loss at OSH:
>
> http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id20050801X01131&key1
>
>
> Jeff Linebaugh
> jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net
> CJ-6P N621CJ
> Memphis, TN
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Yak-List Digest: 14 Msgs - 08/07/05 |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Cj6sly@cs.com
In a message dated 8/8/2005 1:02:27 AM Mountain Standard Time,
yak-list-digest@matronics.com writes:
>
> >Sam Sax
Hey everybody, there's a nice little airshow in historic Wendover, Nevada the
26-27th of August. I usually fly a formation flight with a T-34 (OK, no
"kissing your sister" jokes, please) but my Chang is down and won't be ready. The
organizer is named Tom Petersen and he can provide show fuel and a room at a
local Casino Hotel and would like some YAks and such. Wendover was where they
worked up the B-29's for the atomic bomb raids and it's cool, although a very
stark place. You can roar around the desert over the old ranges and target
areas. Very cool. If you like that sort if thing, of course.
Here's Tom's Email. I post it to see if anyone close by might want to come
out for it.
admin@wendoverairbase.com
Skip Ranger Slyfield
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| Subject: | P-51 Preliminary |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Greg Young" <gyoung@cs-sol.com>
Try the search engine at http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/ and search for the P-51 on 7/26/2005 and Formation on 7/10/2005
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Jeff Linebaugh wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jeff Linebaugh" <jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net>
>
> Here is the link for the preliminary NTSB report on the P-51 loss at OSH:
>
> http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id20050801X01131&key1
Nothing is coming up and I do not get any hits on the database when I search.
Can you verify the link?
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Terry" <talew@comcast.net>
The site is www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/query.asp.
Select month July.
There are several interesting reports there.
09 yak 3
10 Canadian midair
10 formation midair
23 yak 52
Terry Lewis
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| Subject: | Re: P-51 Preliminary |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Try this, when you get the NTSB page up go on the inquiry and scroll down
to 26 July 05. Above that you will also see the RV/Rutan midair.
> > http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb
>
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| Subject: | Re: Preliminary Formation Midair Report |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Walter Lannon" <wlannon@cablerocket.com>
Go to http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/query.asp. If you know approx. date go to
bottom of page, click on "monthly lists" and find the aircraft in question.
The P51 accident was Aug. 26 The NTSP file no. is CHI05FA197 which can be
entered directly.
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Lloyd" <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Preliminary Formation Midair Report
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
>
>
> Jeff Linebaugh wrote:
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jeff Linebaugh"
>> <jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net>
>>
>> Here is a link for preliminary NTSB report of the formation Mid-air that
>> occurred recently between an RV-8 and a Long Eze...
>>
>> http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id20050726X01098&key1
>
> This one doesn't resolve either. Make sure you are getting the full link
> and
> it isn't getting chopped off.
>
> --
> Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
> brian-yak@lloyd.com Suite 201
> http://www.lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
> +1.340.998.9447 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
>
> I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
> - Antoine de Saint-Exupery
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Preliminary Formation Midair Report |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Walt Fricke <walterfricke@yahoo.com>
The P-51 accident gives me pause. How many times have we done the same sort of
"tail chase" or gentlemen's acro while in trail without a full briefing or understanding
of the capabilities or desires of our wingmen? I have been scared
"nearly to death" by this kind of thing and I think this is a good time to
reaffirm our commitment to safety. I could be wrong, but I would bet that this
impromptu tail chase was not briefed (as it was done while they were holding
to do a flyover at OSH), and I don't know what #4 thought about formation acro.
(A simple roll may not be so simple if three split S's out and #4's attention
gets diverted from flying his plane to watching #3. Especially if he's not
a proficient acro pilot.) I had heard at OSH that everyone thought #4 must
have just been incapacitated as they lost him on a rejoin. From the eyewitness
report, it looks like something else entirely.
Think about it. If you are uncomfortable in a tail chase...SAY SO! Call Knock
it off and fly your own plane the way you want to (right side up is OK).
Peer pressure can lead to disasterous results.
Respectfully,
Walt Fricke
Walter Lannon <wlannon@cablerocket.com> wrote:
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Walter Lannon"
Go to http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/query.asp. If you know approx. date go to
bottom of page, click on "monthly lists" and find the aircraft in question.
The P51 accident was Aug. 26 The NTSP file no. is CHI05FA197 which can be
entered directly.
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Lloyd"
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Preliminary Formation Midair Report
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd
>
>
> Jeff Linebaugh wrote:
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jeff Linebaugh"
>>
>>
>> Here is a link for preliminary NTSB report of the formation Mid-air that
>> occurred recently between an RV-8 and a Long Eze...
>>
>> http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id20050726X01098&key1
>
> This one doesn't resolve either. Make sure you are getting the full link
> and
> it isn't getting chopped off.
>
> --
> Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
> brian-yak@lloyd.com Suite 201
> http://www.lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
> +1.340.998.9447 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
>
> I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
> - Antoine de Saint-Exupery
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: P-51 Preliminary |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Roger Doc Kemp wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>
>
> Try this, when you get the NTSB page up go on the inquiry and scroll down
> to 26 July 05. Above that you will also see the RV/Rutan midair.
>
>>>http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb
Thanks. I should have figured that one out myself. I am getting lazy in my old
age.
--
Brian Lloyd 6501 Red Hook Plaza
brian-yak@lloyd.com Suite 201
http://www.lloyd.com St. Thomas, VI 00802
+1.340.998.9447 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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| Subject: | Re: P-51 Preliminary |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Brian Loyd wrote:
I am getting lazy in my old age.
Hey, my kids and wife say that all the time. Can't figure out why...Anybody
seen my remote? Somebody moved it from next to my chair!
Doc
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Seems the month of July was a bad month for P-51's. Power lose on TO and controlled
flight into terrain.
Doc
Roger "Doc" Kemp
viperdoc@mindspring.com
If it don't sound Round...Why listen?
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Dan Unger <danunger@direcway.com>
Have one set for 14-18
Res grandstand
Pit Pass
$150
Dan Unger
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Jay Land <jland@popeandland.com>
I am getting two of all the posts but with different fonts, I also recently
had to resubscribe to the list.
Anybody had this problem or know who I should contact? It's a pain!
Thanks,
Jay
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| Subject: | Re: List problem |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
I only see a single subscription for the email address
"jland@popeandland.com" on the Yak-List. Is it possible that you've
also subscribed some other email address that is being delivered to
the same email box?
I'm only getting a single copy of the Yak-List messages.
Matt Dralle
List Admin
do not archive
At 07:02 PM 8/17/2005 Wednesday, you wrote:
>--> Yak-List message posted by: Jay Land <jland@popeandland.com>
>
>I am getting two of all the posts but with different fonts, I also recently
>had to resubscribe to the list.
>
>Anybody had this problem or know who I should contact? It's a pain!
>
>Thanks,
>
>Jay
>
>
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Agree
Agree
I have had that happen on occasion but not everytime. Do not know who to
contact about that.
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: Jay Land <jland@popeandland.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 8/17/2005 9:02:45 PM
> Subject: Yak-List: List problem
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Jay Land <jland@popeandland.com>
>
> I am getting two of all the posts but with different fonts, I also
recently
> had to resubscribe to the list.
>
> Anybody had this problem or know who I should contact? It's a pain!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jay
>
>
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