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1. 06:14 AM - Re: Selma Awards (Craig Payne)
2. 07:15 AM - Subtle Signs of Carbom Monoxide Poisoning (Frank Haertlein)
3. 07:49 AM - Re: Subtle Signs of Carbom Monoxide Poisoning (PeteAbbott@aol.com)
4. 09:24 AM - N444YK (SWP013@AOL.COM)
5. 01:44 PM - Re: Re: Selma Awards (Roger Doc Kemp)
6. 03:58 PM - Re: YAK52TD (cjpilot710@aol.com)
7. 04:11 PM - Formation (KingCJ6@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Selma Awards |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <cpayne@joimail.com>
That's why I call them "samples". A couple quick clicks of the mouse and Mao becomes
R.R., Stalin becomes G.W. Is there a politically correct substitute for
the "Gulag" award? Perhaps Dead Buzzard Award??
BTW, vets are everywhere; in today's world there is plenty to offended by. What
seems a bit strange to me is that all of a sudden (it seems) I'm old school and
there are plenty of Iraq vets who are just kids. I remember when my local VFW
refused membership to Vietnam vets because "it wasn't a real war".
Craig Payne
cpayne@joimail.com
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| Subject: | Subtle Signs of Carbom Monoxide Poisoning |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Doc
Carbon Monoxide.
What are some of the symptoms to look out for?
I'm interested in learning more about the subtle signs of poisoning you
might experience in an environment where there's not enough to kill you
outright.
Thanks
Frank
N9110M
YAK-52
L71
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| Subject: | Re: Subtle Signs of Carbom Monoxide Poisoning |
--> Yak-List message posted by: PeteAbbott@aol.com
Carbon Monoxide is picked up by the hemoglobin instead of O2, thus the
symptoms are very similar to hypoxia due to the fact that there is less available
O2 floating around the blood supply. You will feel very happy an all is well
in the beginning, then your head will start hurting, cramping and all muscles
hurting. Your skin will turn red. The problem is that the hemoglobin will
not give up the CO when it passes through the lungs where the CO2 is normally
swapped for O2. Thus that hemoglobin is tied up for the rest of it's life.
The treatment is O2 to make sure the available hemoglobin is saturated to
100%. If the CO poisoning is server they usually transfuse blood to get fresh
hemoglobin in place.
Hopefully, that is not why we are the Red Yak Herders.
Pete Abbott
N852GC
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--> Yak-List message posted by: SWP013@aol.com
Yak-52 N444YK is for sale. Stock airplane. Serial # 91-11504. 266.5 hrs.
total time airframe, engine, prop since new.
Contact me off list for specs and pics.
Sam "SPUD" Patellos
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| Subject: | Re: Selma Awards |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Craig,
Nothing to be offended by. Guess I was a little hard on the Stalin/Mao
thing and the Starved prisoner. Just I have a good friend who spent 6
glorious years in the Hanoi Hilton. He lost about 70lbs over the years,
never had his T12 spine fracture (from ejection) treated, his shoulders
dislocated repeatedly from their special bindings, and his right forearm
fracture healed quite angulated. He never got back in the cockpit thanks to
the treatment afforded him at the hands of the Communist. There are alot of
us that have had to face hardships post WW II trials and tribulations of
growing up in the shadow of the Nuke and Communism.
The new awards you emailed me were great, but I'm patriotic that way
anyway! And the Gulag award could be a bent prop or the dead Buzzard as you
say.
We have all made some major sacrafices to win the Cold War and we now enjoy
the spoils of those sacrafices. You know, even the people of Eastern Bloc
are getting to enjoy some of those spoils. Some more than others.
It is ironic that we are the Old Farts in the crowd now. Yes those are kids
you see wearing desert cammo and standing watch over freedom. My son is one
of them and he is a still a kid in my eyes but very mature also. Thank God
we have the next generation to step up and my heart goes out those parents
that have paid the ultimate sacrafice with lose of their son or daughter.
The cost of freedom is not free.
Hey, like the Red Stars moto...."Communism, lousey polotics...Great
Airplanes!" Why do we fly 'em...Because We CAN!
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: Craig Payne <cpayne@joimail.com>
> To: yak-list <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 8/21/2005 8:13:48 AM
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Selma Awards
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <cpayne@joimail.com>
>
> That's why I call them "samples". A couple quick clicks of the mouse and
Mao becomes R.R., Stalin becomes G.W. Is there a politically correct
substitute for the "Gulag" award? Perhaps Dead Buzzard Award??
>
> BTW, vets are everywhere; in today's world there is plenty to offended
by. What seems a bit strange to me is that all of a sudden (it seems) I'm
old school and there are plenty of Iraq vets who are just kids. I remember
when my local VFW refused membership to Vietnam vets because "it wasn't a
real war".
>
>
> Craig Payne
> cpayne@joimail.com
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
This was never done to the CJ-6. The CJ-5 was a Yak-18 plain and simple. Yak
18A was a Yak-18 with the gear moved to the rear spar and nose wheel put on.
The Chinese built 376 Yak-18 under license and called it the CJ-5.
The CJ-6 was a totally Chinese design aircraft the only resimblulance in the air
system and instrument. The photo type even had a 8 cylinder horizontal opposed
engine (the Doris B). The only reason it has the Russian license copy of
the M-14 is because that failed to get out of development. That is why there
is 4 years between the proto type first flight and production. The Yak 18 has
the Clark Y airfoils and a steel tub construction. The CJ-6 uses a NASA 32015
and 4420 tip airfoils. There was never a tail wheel version of the CJ-6.
It is a stand alone design. China first indigenous designed AND produced aircarft.
I hope you guys KNOW cause me apoplexy.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
It was done to the CJ, in fact it was a tail dragger first, the CJ5. Get one of
those and up engine it and you have what your looking for. Simple as that. I
belive there are some in USA with big engines.
A couple of CJ5 being offered in china at pressent at 250,000USD. hardly an
investment!! Just the seller has expectations that the buyers in the west have
pockets full of gold.
br, mj
--> Yak-List message posted by: DaBear <dabear@damned.org>
Anyone know what the cost of the conversion from a Yak-52 to a Yak-52TD
is? I wonder if it could be done to a CJ?
Al
Best regards, Mark
www.yakuk.com
+44 (0)1767 651156 office +44 (0)7785 538 317 mobile
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--> Yak-List message posted by: KingCJ6@aol.com
Even though a few of us have not yet installed the missile rail option, still
a good idea to avoid wing overlap in form!
Object falls from jet, cuts short city air show
Thunderbirds' encore uncertain, Air Force says
By Charles Sheehan and Lolly Bowean
Chicago Tribune staff reporters
Published August 21, 2005
Update (8:40 a.m.): The Air Force Thunderbirds unit will not perform Sunday
at the Air and Water Show after part of a missile rail fell into Lake Michigan
during Saturday's maneuvers.
Two aircraft touched while in a diamond formation, said Lt. Col. Mike
Chandler. No one was hurt and the fallen rail was not recovered. Aircraft damaage
is
still being assessed.
"An incident like this one requires us to take a deeper look at what happens
to ensure we can prevent any potential recurrence," Chandler said. "Once we're
satisfied we've done that, we'll continue our season."
People at the Chicago Air and Water Show saw a little more and a little less
than expected Saturday when an object broke free from an Air Force Thunderbird
jet, prompting an abrupt end to the performance.
The object fell from one of six jets and splashed into Lake Michigan in an
area closed off to civilian boat traffic far from the shore, Air Force officials
said.
"That is why we clear an aerobatic box, so that if anything were to happen,
no one is injured," said Capt. Angie Johnson, spokeswoman for the flying unit.
"The safety precautions worked exactly as they should have."
The unknown object dislodged as four F-16s flying in a diamond formation
banked to the left just after 3:30 p.m., according to the Air Force.
The object crashed into the water about 2,500 feet off the shore of North
Avenue Beach, police said.
The performance was immediately suspended, ending the air show about 25
minutes prematurely, Johnson said. All six aircraft that make up the team returned
safely to the Gary Jet Center, according to the Air Force.
The show was expected to begin as scheduled on Sunday, but it was not known
if the Thunderbirds would take part, Johnson said. The team travels with two
spare F-16s.
"We have to determine a cause, and the decision we make will be based on
safety," she said. "That decision may not be made until Sunday morning."
A Chicago police marine unit searched an area about half a mile offshore from
North Avenue south to Division Street in an attempt to recover the object,
said police spokesman John Mirabelli.
The search was called off when it became too dark, he said.
The Air Force has opened its own investigation, Johnson said.
"Right now it's a maintenance issue. If it turns out that this is a bigger
incident, we will bring in a team and open a safety investigation," Johnson
said. "Right now, with incidents such as this, it is handled at the squadron
level."
The Thunderbirds travel with a maintenance crew of about 70 people, she said.
There has been no similar incident in the recent past, Johnson said.
City officials said they considered the shortened performance a minor
incident.
"It was a very successful day," said Cindy Gatziolis, spokeswoman for the
Mayor's Office of Special Events. "Other than one unfortunate moment, we hope to
have the same success on Sunday."
Many who lined the shore of Lake Michigan did not realize the show had been
shortened.
Earlier, standing with his feet buried in the sand at North Avenue Beach,
3-year-old Julian Rivera reached his arms up toward the military aircraft that
looked tiny from his viewpoint.
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