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1. 05:42 AM - Re: Carbon monoxide poisoning (Roger Doc Kemp)
2. 06:54 AM - Re: CO in cockpitCO in cockpit (Ira Saligman)
3. 07:54 AM - Re: CO in cockpit (Richard Basiliere)
4. 08:27 AM - Re: CO in cockpit (Doug Sapp)
5. 11:17 AM - Auto-pilot CJ-6A (N13472@aol.com)
6. 11:28 AM - Carbon Monoxide (C0) poisining (Roger Doc Kemp)
7. 11:58 AM - Re: Auto-pilot CJ-6A (ByronMFox@aol.com)
8. 12:39 PM - Re: Auto-pilot CJ-6A (ggg6@att.net)
9. 03:38 PM - OSH photos (Russ)
10. 03:45 PM - Open Letter to Drew Blahnick and Barry Hancock (ByronMFox@aol.com)
11. 04:25 PM - Re: CO in cockpit (Cliff Umscheid)
12. 06:33 PM - Carbon monoxide poisoning (Frank Haertlein)
13. 07:16 PM - Helmet visors (KingCJ6@AOL.COM)
14. 07:38 PM - Re: Open Letter to Drew Blahnick and Barry Hancock (Roger Doc Kemp)
15. 07:49 PM - CO in cockpit (Roger Doc Kemp)
16. 09:54 PM - Re: Open Letter to Drew Blahnick and Barry Hancock (Barry Hancock)
17. 10:39 PM - Re: Auto-pilot CJ-6A (N13472@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Carbon monoxide poisoning |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Frank,
Sorry about the delay. Have been tied up on Vigalent Sheild preperations.
Symptoms of CO poisining are:
Shortness of breath
dyspnea (air hunger)
tachypnea (rapid breathing)
headache
emotional liability
confusion
impaired judgement
clumsiness
syncopy (fainting)
Nausea
Vomiting
Diarrhea
All of these symptoms are incidious and can be confused with hypoxia (if
you have ever done altitude chamber training). The reason the sx resemble
hypoxia is because it is hypoxia in the most severe way. CO has an affinity
for hemaglobin of 200 to 210 times (depending on who's text your reading)
that of Oxygen. The treatment is in mild cases 100% 02 via a none
rebreathing mask. On room air (21% 02 ) it takes 4 to 8 hours for 1/2 of
the C0 in the blood to difuse out (leave the body). The half life of C0 on
100% 02 is 40 to 80 minutes. In moderate to severe cases, Hyperbaric oxygen
therapy is the only life saving procedure even partial blood transfusion
can be tried (but banked blood even has its own risk that can add to the
hypoxia before a benefit is seen).
In my personal opinion, a sealed 02 system is the only way to prevent this.
If you are seeing at the end of flights,that you are symptomatic and your
skin is flushed bright red, you maybe suffering from C0 poisining (saying
that i just created a monster). However, the only way to acurately diagnose
C0 poisining is to do an arterial blood gas sample. 02 saturation (finger
02 sat monitors) are inaccurate because they measure a color change in the
hemoglobin. C0 mimics that change. When you draw a arterial blood sample in
cases of C0 poisining, you see a "cherry red" sample in color, but the
diagnosis is based on % concentration of C0 in the blood sample.
Hope this helps.
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: Frank Haertlein <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 8/22/2005 9:59:49 PM
> Subject: Yak-List: Carbon monoxide poisoning
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
<yak52driver@earthlink.net>
>
> Phil
>
> I don't want to sound alarmist here but I decided to take steps to reduce
> exhaust fumes coming in my 52 after I noticed my voice getting hoarse soon
> after flying. I live out north of Edwards AFB so anyone who knows the area
> also knows there's good flying here almost year round. I do ALLOT of
flying
> because of it (almost every weekend and weekdays off and on). It's at the
> point where I even stopped using MMO until I figure out a way to seal the
> fuselage. I think it was Mark who warned about using toxic oils for smoke
or
> even in your fuel. Look at this post as a warning to not use 2 stroke oils
> or any other toxic oils in your fuel or smoke system.
>
> My last posting to the list was to ask Doc if he knew of what one might
> physically experience with prolonged contact to carbon monoxide. Someone
> mentioned a euphoric feeling but I don't buy that because I get that just
> from flying :) But there have been occasions during our $100 hamburger
> flights were I thought I might have gotten food poisoning. Now I'm
starting
> to think it may have been carbon monoxide.
>
> In efforts to seal the cockpit my next step is going to entail making
little
> "booties" that seal up the aileron control rods and the flap operating
rods
> where they exit the fuselage. Anyone happen to make these or sell them?
>
> Best Regards
> Frank
> N9110M
> YAK-52
> L71
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: CO in cockpitCO in cockpit |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ira Saligman" <isaligman@saligman.com>
Can anyone send info on the CO detectors they are using.
Ira Saligman
610 324 5500
f 215 243 7699
<mailto:isaligman@saligman.com> isaligman@saligman.com
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Richard Basiliere" <BasiliereR@ci.boulder.co.us>
Just an FYI and I agree with Doc 100%
Here on the BFD (Boulder Fire Dept) since 35ppm is the max allowable
for CO in an 8 hour workday according to OSHA we have all firefighters
wear SCBA if >35ppm is detected in a home. >100ppm we consider lethal
and recommend occupants leave home immediately.
Arterial blood gasses are fun to take. Still get the glass syringe on
ice, Doc? Sticking an artery is a bit more painful than a
venipuncture.
Rick b
>>> zeromold@earthlink.net 8/22/2005 5:34:10 PM >>>
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Phil Cogan" <zeromold@earthlink.net>
Here's my experience with cockpit CO levels.
Last Saturday we did a flyby for Rob Mortara's wedding. In the cockpit
I had
the Lumidor MiniMax Pro CO detector. The alarm was set at 45ppm CO
(safe
levels may be as high as 35 to 50 ppm according to OSHA). The alarm
was
going for the entire 40 minute flight! Max levels were recording after
turning on the smoke system and reached 190ppm, almost 4 times the
maximum
safe level!
We need to find ways to cut down on CO entering the cockpit or getting
some
type of independent air system for when we fly.
Any suggestions?
Phil Cogan
admin@neraiders.org
N21740
CJ-6A
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Johnson
Subject: Yak-List: CO in cockpit
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Tom Johnson" <tomjohnson@cox.net>
I too have experienced CO in cockpit.
In my 52 returning from ARS 2004.
And don't bother buying a CO detector (IMHO, YMMV).
I bought an expensive detector with a digital readout of CO in PPM.
The readings were "redlined" all the time.
There is no question "if" we all have too much CO in cockpit, we do.
EXHAUST:
T-band clamps make for great clamps. Good looking, sturdy,
inexpensive.
Try McMaster Carr or similar.
I experimented with the hi-temp exhaust wrap tape.
But I found it degraded over time. Perhaps there is a higher temp
version
of this same product.
It did provide excellent sealing properties.
There is no one single cure to this dangerous problem.
Single exposure to very hi levels?
Repeated exposure to low levels (ARS, OSH type fly-ins).. .
The results are the same.
---------------------------
Thomas Johnson
Airpower Insurance, LLC
36 West Ocotillo Road
Phoenix, AZ 85013-1235
Tel: 602-628-2701
Fax: 623-321-5843
E: tomjohnson@cox.net
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Dave, and all,
Actually it's not my seal. Joe Howse came up with it, the rubber comes from
Aircraft spruce, order part number RCHE @ $1.85 per foot, I <think> I recall
ordering 11 feet to do two aircraft. But please double check the length
before you order. I used P/N 09-27200 Super Weatherstrip Adhesive. I
installed the seal on my new CJ, which also had the new bladder type long
range tanks. Many of the legs to Sam Marcos TX were over 3 hours, with the
longest being 3:40, I had no problems with CO2. One other thing I did was
remove all the fabric inspection covers in the wheel wells and replace them
with the H.D. Stainless steel tape. I found a roll of it at Boeing surplus
that was 10 inches wide and cut the circles using the cloth parts for
patterns. It is really thick, maybe 8 to 10 tho. IMHO to think that a
crappy old fabric patch is going to keep out any CO2 is a huge leap of faith
in my book! If you have replaced your cloth covers with aluminum, I would
suggest removing them and applying a foam seal to them before reinstalling
them.
Hope this helps.
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: Phil Cogan [mailto:zeromold@earthlink.net]
Subject: RE: Yak-List: CO in cockpit
Doug,
No seal but it is funny you mention it because that is EXACTLY where I
figured the exhaust was entering and I had planned to glue some 1" felt
along that edge. What is your seal made of and how does it attach?
Phil
-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Sapp [mailto:rvfltd@televar.com]
Subject: RE: Yak-List: CO in cockpit
For starters, do you have the rear canopy seal installed?
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Phil Cogan
Subject: RE: Yak-List: CO in cockpit
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Phil Cogan" <zeromold@earthlink.net>
Here's my experience with cockpit CO levels.
Last Saturday we did a flyby for Rob Mortara's wedding. In the cockpit I had
the Lumidor MiniMax Pro CO detector. The alarm was set at 45ppm CO (safe
levels may be as high as 35 to 50 ppm according to OSHA). The alarm was
going for the entire 40 minute flight! Max levels were recording after
turning on the smoke system and reached 190ppm, almost 4 times the maximum
safe level!
We need to find ways to cut down on CO entering the cockpit or getting some
type of independent air system for when we fly.
Any suggestions?
Phil Cogan
admin@neraiders.org
N21740
CJ-6A
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Johnson
Subject: Yak-List: CO in cockpit
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Tom Johnson" <tomjohnson@cox.net>
I too have experienced CO in cockpit.
In my 52 returning from ARS 2004.
And don't bother buying a CO detector (IMHO, YMMV).
I bought an expensive detector with a digital readout of CO in PPM.
The readings were "redlined" all the time.
There is no question "if" we all have too much CO in cockpit, we do.
EXHAUST:
T-band clamps make for great clamps. Good looking, sturdy, inexpensive.
Try McMaster Carr or similar.
I experimented with the hi-temp exhaust wrap tape.
But I found it degraded over time. Perhaps there is a higher temp version
of this same product.
It did provide excellent sealing properties.
There is no one single cure to this dangerous problem.
Single exposure to very hi levels?
Repeated exposure to low levels (ARS, OSH type fly-ins).. .
The results are the same.
---------------------------
Thomas Johnson
Airpower Insurance, LLC
36 West Ocotillo Road
Phoenix, AZ 85013-1235
Tel: 602-628-2701
Fax: 623-321-5843
E: tomjohnson@cox.net
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| Subject: | Auto-pilot CJ-6A |
--> Yak-List message posted by: N13472@aol.com
I was told that there are one or more CJ-6's out there with EZ Pilot
autopilots by
Trio Avionics installed? Would any one who is using a EZ Pilot please send
me your comments on it! Also info pictures etc on where and how you mounted
the servo.
Thank You
Tom & Nora Elliott
CASCADE WARBIRDS
CJ-6A NX63727
777 Quartz Ave
Sandy Valley NV 89019
Home 702-723-1223
Fax 702-723-1243
Cell 702-595-2680 Tom
Cell 702-808-1316 Nora
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| Subject: | Carbon Monoxide (C0) poisining |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
All said with the current cockpit arrangement in our YAKs and CJ's, is it smart
to do 3 turn days with our formation training. That is alot of prolonged exposure
to a potentially fatal gas. As I look back on the 3 go days I have had during
FAST training, seemed I got worse as the day went on and had more problems
too. I know I felt wornout , had a headache and was quite flushed at the end
of one of those days. And I thought it was just because I had heated up the
brakes doing one of those mid field landings for airshow rapid recovery practice
and ran off into the overrun! As I looked back at that incident, I still asked
myself why the hell I even considered accepting doing that kind of landing
on a 3500 foot strip! Talk about landing long! 1500 ft down the runway is long,
all to perfect the rapid recovery. It was the 3rd go of the day and it just
did not strike me as a stupid thing to be doing (until the next day that is!).
I suspect I had some kind of judgement impairment
to have accepted and done that type of landing. Was it C0? Was it head up my
ass and not acting as the PIC,YES! But for what ever reason, it was stupid.
Doc
Roger "Doc" Kemp
viperdoc@mindspring.com
If it don't sound Round...Why listen?
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| Subject: | Re: Auto-pilot CJ-6A |
--> Yak-List message posted by: ByronMFox@aol.com
In a message dated 8/23/05 11:19:02 AM, N13472@aol.com writes:
> I was told that there are one or more CJ-6's out there with EZ Pilot=A0
> autopilots by
> Trio Avionics=A0 installed?
>
Come on, Tom, paint the machine before adding creature comforts. :)
...Blitz
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| Subject: | Re: Auto-pilot CJ-6A |
--> Yak-List message posted by: ggg6@att.net
Tom, go to the following address for EZ Pilot's Web Site http://search.aol.com/aolcom/search?invocationType=TB20&query=EZ%20Pilot& Gary G.
-------------- Original message from N13472@aol.com: --------------
> --> Yak-List message posted by: N13472@aol.com
>
> I was told that there are one or more CJ-6's out there with EZ Pilot
> autopilots by
> Trio Avionics installed? Would any one who is using a EZ Pilot please send
> me your comments on it! Also info pictures etc on where and how you mounted
> the servo.
>
> Thank You
>
> Tom & Nora Elliott
> CASCADE WARBIRDS
> CJ-6A NX63727
> 777 Quartz Ave
> Sandy Valley NV 89019
> Home 702-723-1223
> Fax 702-723-1243
> Cell 702-595-2680 Tom
> Cell 702-808-1316 Nora
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Tom, go to the following address for EZ Pilot's Web Site http://search.aol.com/aolcom/search?invocationType=TB20query=EZ%20Pilot Gary G.
-------------- Original message from N13472@aol.com: --------------
-- Yak-List message posted by: N13472@aol.com
I was told that there are one or more CJ-6's out there with EZ Pilot
autopilots by
Trio Avionics installed? Would any one who is using a EZ Pilot please send
me your comments on it! Also info pictures etc on where and how you mounted
the servo.
Thank You
Tom Nora Elliott
CASCADE WARBIRDS
CJ-6A NX63727
777 Quartz Ave
Sandy Valley NV 89019
Home 702-723-1223
Fax 702-723-1243
Cell 702-595-2680 Tom
Cell 702-808-1316 Nora
vigator to browse
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Russ" <Duncan1574@ExecPc.com>
Craig, my pictures are on Webshots.
http://community.webshots.com/user/duncan1574-date
Russ "Air Boss" Witte-Dycus
North Central Event Coordinator
Red Star Pilot's Association
http://www.flyredstar.org
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| Subject: | Open Letter to Drew Blahnick and Barry Hancock |
--> Yak-List message posted by: ByronMFox@aol.com
Gentlemen:
The appropriate term for publishing this in a public forum is
passive-aggressiveness, or blatant manipulation. Take your pick.
Fall is almost upon us which makes me think of winter, which makes me think
of Palms Springs, which makes me think of last February's Tactical Formation &
Combat Exercise in The Desert. Despite the fact that my low level navigation
was seriously flawed, I lost my wingman, Batman, and wandered into NAS El
Centro's restricted air space, I can't recall when I've had as much unbridled fun.
Drew and Barry put on an event that must, I say must, be replicated. Not
only was it fun, it was authentic, interesting and challenging, .... And the
happy-hour debrief BS was of incomparable quality. It's not too soon to start
planning, fellas. Tell me what I can do to help. ...Blitz
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| Subject: | Re: CO in cockpit |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Cliff Umscheid <netmaster15@juno.com>
On Tue, 23 Aug 2005 08:53:48 -0600 "Richard Basiliere"
<BasiliereR@ci.boulder.co.us> writes:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Richard Basiliere"
> <BasiliereR@ci.boulder.co.us>
>
> Just an FYI and I agree with Doc 100%
>
> Here on the BFD (Boulder Fire Dept) since 35ppm is the max
> allowable
> for CO in an 8 hour workday according to OSHA we have all
> firefighters
> wear SCBA if >35ppm is detected in a home. >100ppm we consider
> lethal
> and recommend occupants leave home immediately.
>
> Arterial blood gasses are fun to take. Still get the glass syringe
> on
> ice, Doc? Sticking an artery is a bit more painful than a
> venipuncture.
>
> Rick b
>
> >>> zeromold@earthlink.net 8/22/2005 5:34:10 PM >>>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Phil Cogan"
> <zeromold@earthlink.net>
>
> Here's my experience with cockpit CO levels.
>
> Last Saturday we did a flyby for Rob Mortara's wedding. In the
> cockpit
PHIL,
Re "We need to find ways to cut down on CO entering the cockpit or
getting some type of independant air system for when we fly". I agree
the situation is serious enough to warrant a remedy. What's wrong with
going on O2 full time brakes off to shutdown. Have you ever been in a
long line awaiting takeoff while enduring one of those interminable ATC
delays and some jerk in the tower says "Eastern 456 move it up please"?
Does anyone think that aluminum tube is sealed airtight while we're on
the ground in a long straight line awaiting takeoff? Not on your life!
We don't get pressurized until the squat switch closes the outflow valves
and that happens when the weight comes off the main gear.
There are a lot of old airliners being cut up. Every one of them has
an emergency walk around O2 bottle with a full face mask attached to the
portable bottle in the cockpit. A full face mask includes goggles as a
part thereof . That makes the unit very suitable for use during smoke in
the cockpit. Without it you can't keep your eyes open in dense smoke, let
alone breathe.
Salvagers strip the cockpit of lots of goodies like this which are
then sold. I have purchased several units which still have a full O2
charge in the tanks. The worst you find is that some of the masks are
dusty. We don't function check these walk around units before each
flight. We do, however, check the regular crew O2 masks and radio
connection before each flight so they tend to get cleaned with an
alchohol wipee at every crew change.
When you buy one of these units you are getting a $2,000. value for
about $200.
Cliff Umscheid
I had
> the Lumidor MiniMax Pro CO detector. The alarm was set at 45ppm CO
> (safe
> levels may be as high as 35 to 50 ppm according to OSHA). The alarm
> was
> going for the entire 40 minute flight! Max levels were recording
> after
> turning on the smoke system and reached 190ppm, almost 4 times the
> maximum
> safe level!
>
> We need to find ways to cut down on CO entering the cockpit or
> getting
> some
> type of independent air system for when we fly.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Phil Cogan
> admin@neraiders.org
> N21740
> CJ-6A
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom
> Johnson
> To: Yak-List@Matronics. Com
> Subject: Yak-List: CO in cockpit
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Tom Johnson" <tomjohnson@cox.net>
>
> I too have experienced CO in cockpit.
> In my 52 returning from ARS 2004.
>
> And don't bother buying a CO detector (IMHO, YMMV).
> I bought an expensive detector with a digital readout of CO in PPM.
> The readings were "redlined" all the time.
>
> There is no question "if" we all have too much CO in cockpit, we do.
>
> EXHAUST:
> T-band clamps make for great clamps. Good looking, sturdy,
> inexpensive.
> Try McMaster Carr or similar.
>
> I experimented with the hi-temp exhaust wrap tape.
> But I found it degraded over time. Perhaps there is a higher temp
> version
> of this same product.
> It did provide excellent sealing properties.
>
> There is no one single cure to this dangerous problem.
> Single exposure to very hi levels?
> Repeated exposure to low levels (ARS, OSH type fly-ins).. .
> The results are the same.
>
> ---------------------------
> Thomas Johnson
> Airpower Insurance, LLC
> 36 West Ocotillo Road
> Phoenix, AZ 85013-1235
> Tel: 602-628-2701
> Fax: 623-321-5843
> E: tomjohnson@cox.net
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Carbon monoxide poisoning |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Doc
Thanks for your input on CO. You're a real asset to the list (and a great
American, I might add :)
Looking back, I've experienced the symptoms of CO poisoning you described so
I think we might have a problem that needs serious attention. I've suspected
CO as a problem for awhile now but, frankly, wasn't cognizant of the warning
signs or the possible symptoms. All I had were suspicions....... That's why
I created a silicone seal in the fuselage to wing fairings. It isn't enough
though.
I wonder if some of the un-explained 52 crashes (failure to recover by
otherwise highly experienced pilots) could be attributed to CO poisoning?
Bottom line is I think we have a pressing need to get our fuselages sealed
against exhaust gas intrusion.
Dennis, you did well with the FOD barriers in our YAKs.........link
(http://www.yak-52.com/)
Why not build and sell the aileron and flap control rod gas
barriers.......... I'll buy em'
HMMMMM, maybe stocking the exhaust manifold sealing tape mentioned
previously wouldn't be a bad idea either.
Best Regards
Frank
N9110M
YAK-52
L71
RE: Yak-List: Carbon monoxide poisoning
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp"
--> <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Frank,
Sorry about the delay. Have been tied up on Vigalent Sheild preperations.
Symptoms of CO poisining are:
Shortness of breath
dyspnea (air hunger)
tachypnea (rapid breathing)
headache
emotional liability
confusion
impaired judgement
clumsiness
syncopy (fainting)
Nausea
Vomiting
Diarrhea
All of these symptoms are incidious and can be confused with hypoxia (if you
have ever done altitude chamber training). The reason the sx resemble
hypoxia is because it is hypoxia in the most severe way. CO has an affinity
for hemaglobin of 200 to 210 times (depending on who's text your reading)
that of Oxygen. The treatment is in mild cases 100% 02 via a none
rebreathing mask. On room air (21% 02 ) it takes 4 to 8 hours for 1/2 of the
C0 in the blood to difuse out (leave the body). The half life of C0 on 100%
02 is 40 to 80 minutes. In moderate to severe cases, Hyperbaric oxygen
therapy is the only life saving procedure even partial blood transfusion can
be tried (but banked blood even has its own risk that can add to the hypoxia
before a benefit is seen). In my personal opinion, a sealed 02 system is the
only way to prevent this. If you are seeing at the end of flights,that you
are symptomatic and your skin is flushed bright red, you maybe suffering
from C0 poisining (saying that i just created a monster). However, the only
way to acurately diagnose C0 poisining is to do an arterial blood gas
sample. 02 saturation (finger 02 sat monitors) are inaccurate because they
measure a color change in the hemoglobin. C0 mimics that change. When you
draw a arterial blood sample in cases of C0 poisining, you see a "cherry
red" sample in color, but the diagnosis is based on % concentration of C0 in
the blood sample. Hope this helps. Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: Frank Haertlein <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 8/22/2005 9:59:49 PM
> Subject: Yak-List: Carbon monoxide poisoning
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
<yak52driver@earthlink.net>
>
> Phil
>
> I don't want to sound alarmist here but I decided to take steps to
> reduce exhaust fumes coming in my 52 after I noticed my voice getting
> hoarse soon after flying. I live out north of Edwards AFB so anyone
> who knows the area also knows there's good flying here almost year
> round. I do ALLOT of
flying
> because of it (almost every weekend and weekdays off and on). It's at
> the point where I even stopped using MMO until I figure out a way to
> seal the fuselage. I think it was Mark who warned about using toxic
> oils for smoke
or
> even in your fuel. Look at this post as a warning to not use 2 stroke
> oils or any other toxic oils in your fuel or smoke system.
>
> My last posting to the list was to ask Doc if he knew of what one
> might physically experience with prolonged contact to carbon monoxide.
> Someone mentioned a euphoric feeling but I don't buy that because I
> get that just from flying :) But there have been occasions during our
> $100 hamburger flights were I thought I might have gotten food
> poisoning. Now I'm
starting
> to think it may have been carbon monoxide.
>
> In efforts to seal the cockpit my next step is going to entail making
little
> "booties" that seal up the aileron control rods and the flap operating
rods
> where they exit the fuselage. Anyone happen to make these or sell
> them?
>
> Best Regards
> Frank
> N9110M
> YAK-52
> L71
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: KingCJ6@aol.com
I have a basic Flight Suits HGU-55 issue helmet and recently broke the visor.
Flight Suits wants $104/copy & I refuse to submit to this blatant "rip"
price. My economic duct tape repair tends to limit the field of vision, as it's
a
2" strip down the center of the visor. The DuCo glue fix makes it near IFR,
even in CAVU conditions.
So, I've found visors for $30 on the net for the HGU-55P helmet. Anyone know
if this is the same as a regular "55" helmet, or if it will fit?
Thanks, Dave
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| Subject: | Open Letter to Drew Blahnick and Barry Hancock |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
The man is HOOKED on TACTICAL. A heck of a lot more fun than driving around
for an hour hanging on someones wing. When you can fly fighting wing, be
tactical in the weeds, attach a target and engage/defeat a bandit in under
180 deg of turn. Yep, alot more fun than "was that one of those NAVY single
fist pumps, double pump, or was he just picking his nose and needed to get
his visor up?
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: <ByronMFox@aol.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 8/23/2005 5:45:14 PM
> Subject: Yak-List: Open Letter to Drew Blahnick and Barry Hancock
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: ByronMFox@aol.com
>
> Gentlemen:
>
> The appropriate term for publishing this in a public forum is
> passive-aggressiveness, or blatant manipulation. Take your pick.
>
> Fall is almost upon us which makes me think of winter, which makes me
think
> of Palms Springs, which makes me think of last February's Tactical
Formation &
> Combat Exercise in The Desert. Despite the fact that my low level
navigation
> was seriously flawed, I lost my wingman, Batman, and wandered into NAS El
> Centro's restricted air space, I can't recall when I've had as much
unbridled fun.
>
> Drew and Barry put on an event that must, I say must, be replicated.
Not
> only was it fun, it was authentic, interesting and challenging, .... And
the
> happy-hour debrief BS was of incomparable quality. It's not too soon to
start
> planning, fellas. Tell me what I can do to help. ...Blitz
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Doc Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Cliff,
Where did you get your walk around bottle from? All of the walk around bottles
I have worked with are distroyed when they fail their pressure (hydro) test by
the AF.
Doc
Roger "Doc" Kemp
viperdoc@mindspring.com
If it don't sound Round...Why listen?
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| Subject: | Re: Open Letter to Drew Blahnick and Barry Hancock |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <barry@flyredstar.org>
Blitz, et. al.,
That is a great point. I have not had more fun in my airplane that I
did at that event. I think most of the group will remember the banter
on the list after the event...stuff like:
"It's one of the best time's I've had (in aviation)"
"That (the radio chatter) took me right back to Vietnam"
"I got the one with the bit t*ts!" radio call from Tiger lead shortly
before the "rat-att-tat" call from Red Air one (target fixation
sucks!).
You are right, Blitz. The idea for this year is to replicate last year
with a few tweaks and refinements...with hopefully closer to 20
airplanes. Many support roles will be available this year, too. This
is the one time when being a back seater is actually just as much fun
as the flying.
Honestly, the best thing to do now is start recruiting. You need to be
FAST qualified to fly any of the "attack" missions, but there's plenty
of other flying to be done (recon, airborne command and control, etc.).
We're going to see about moving the date to late March in 2006 to have
a better shot at good weather for those coming from abroad.
The good thing about last year's technology glitches is that the
battlefield scenario we drew (pardon the pun!) up and never got used
can be used again for this year. It will be a blast!
Barry
On Aug 23, 2005, at 3:44 PM, ByronMFox@aol.com wrote:
> Gentlemen:
>
> The appropriate term for publishing this in a public forum is
> passive-aggressiveness, or blatant manipulation. Take your pick.
>
> Fall is almost upon us which makes me think of winter, which makes me
> think of Palms Springs, which makes me think of last February's
> Tactical Formation & Combat Exercise in The Desert. Despite the fact
> that my low level navigation was seriously flawed, I lost my wingman,
> Batman, and wandered into NAS El Centro's restricted air space, I
> can't recall when I've had as much unbridled fun.
>
> Drew and Barry put on an event that must, I say must, be replicated.=A0
> Not only was it fun, it was authentic, interesting and challenging,
> .... And the happy-hour debrief BS was of incomparable quality. It's
> not too soon to start planning, fellas. Tell me what I can do to
> help.=A0=A0 ...Blitz
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| Subject: | Re: Auto-pilot CJ-6A |
--> Yak-List message posted by: N13472@aol.com
In a message dated 8/23/2005 11:59:57 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
ByronMFox@aol.com writes:
Come on, Tom, paint the machine before adding creature comforts. :)
...Blitz
What! and miss my chance to be a three time award winner.
Tom Elliott
CJ-6 NX63727
Sandy Valley NV
3L2
702-723-1223
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