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1. 02:59 AM - aerostars (Mark Jefferies)
2. 05:43 AM - Yet More TFR (Craig Payne)
3. 06:45 AM - Question (Roger Kemp)
4. 07:03 AM - New Orleans (Ernest Martinez)
5. 07:26 AM - Re: New Orleans (Brian Lloyd)
6. 08:17 AM - Re: New Orleans (Ernest Martinez)
7. 08:34 AM - Re: New Orleans (Dave Laird)
8. 09:41 AM - Re: aerostars (Kevin Pilling)
9. 10:03 AM - Re: aerostars (Kevin Pilling)
10. 11:10 AM - Re: Re: New Orleans (Craig Payne)
11. 11:13 AM - Re: Question (Craig Payne)
12. 11:38 AM - Re: Re: Re: New Orleans (Brian Lloyd)
13. 11:43 AM - Re: Re: Question (Roger Kemp)
14. 11:45 AM - Re: Re: Re: New Orleans (Roger Kemp)
15. 11:45 AM - Re: Re: Question (Brian Lloyd)
16. 11:50 AM - Re: Yet More TFR (Cliff Umscheid)
17. 12:03 PM - Re: Re: Question (Ernest Martinez)
18. 02:35 PM - Re:Re: Yet more TFR (Craig Payne)
19. 03:12 PM - Re:Re: Yet more TFR (Richard Basiliere)
20. 03:57 PM - Movie (Ernest Martinez)
21. 03:57 PM - Re: fuel tank advice (Tim & Jessie Windsor)
22. 07:49 PM - Re: Movie (Roger Kemp)
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Jefferies" <mark.j@yakuk.com>
http://www.sirviper.com/index.php?page=flesland_airshow/aerostars/index
http://www.canardzone.com/content/JetFlightInMountains.wmv been on exploder
before but worth another view.
Best regards, fly safe-Mark Jefferies
For YAK UK Ltd www.yakuk.com
Lt Gransden Airfield
Sandy, Beds
SG19 3BP
England.
Tel +44 (0)1767 651156.
Fax +44 (0)1767 651157
Mobile +44 (0)7785 538 317
Conditions and terms of business
Aircraft for sale
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <cpayne@joimail.com>
>--> Yak-List message posted by: Cliff Umscheid <netmaster15@juno.com>
>
>Hey Craig,
>Do you mean to tell us your lawyer and hearing officer had to point out
>to you that "IT is always the responsibility of
>the PIC to accept or decline a clearance"?
>
Gee, and I thought the place to express my vast aeronautical knowledge and keen
wit was on the internet, not in an FAA Enforcement Hearing. I know it's hard
to be humble for some folks, but when your butts on the hot seat, that's the time
to shut your mouth and stay cool.
Craig Payne
cpayne@joimail.com
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
In all this chaos that is taking place in New Orleans and Biloxi, one question
has to be asked: "Where's Jesse?"
Doc
Roger Kemp
viperdoc@mindspring.com
EarthLink Revolves Around You.
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
I'm wondering if ATC radar is out of commision in the gulf states. I know
that weather radar site were taken out as the storm progressed. Any airline
pilots out there know if ARTCC is working???
Ernie
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Ernest Martinez wrote:
> I'm wondering if ATC radar is out of commision in the gulf states. I know
> that weather radar site were taken out as the storm progressed. Any airline
> pilots out there know if ARTCC is working???
That is actually a really good question as I am planning to fly through there
on Sunday.
BTW, I am planning to fly from Sacramento to Ft. Lauderdale and back again,
leaving this weekend. Anyone want to go along just for the hell of it? I need
to put my boat back in the water and get the rest of my stuff to finish my
move back to California. If anyone has a morbid curiosity I will be overflying
the area hit hardest by Katrina.
--
Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
brian-yak@lloyd.com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
I may be interested in going, I just need to see if there is a shceduling
conflict with a b'day party I was supposed to attend.
Ernie
On 9/1/05, Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com> wrote:
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
>
> Ernest Martinez wrote:
>
> > I'm wondering if ATC radar is out of commision in the gulf states. I
> know
> > that weather radar site were taken out as the storm progressed. Any
> airline
> > pilots out there know if ARTCC is working???
>
> That is actually a really good question as I am planning to fly through
> there
> on Sunday.
>
> BTW, I am planning to fly from Sacramento to Ft. Lauderdale and back
> again,
> leaving this weekend. Anyone want to go along just for the hell of it? I
> need
> to put my boat back in the water and get the rest of my stuff to finish my
> move back to California. If anyone has a morbid curiosity I will be
> overflying
> the area hit hardest by Katrina.
>
> --
> Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
> brian-yak@lloyd.com Folsom, CA 95630
> +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
>
> I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
> - Antoine de Saint-Exupery
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Dave Laird <dave@davelaird.com>
Brian,
I thought you were moving to Texas?
What gives? Couldn't stand the heat here?
Dave Laird
N63536 1983 CJ6A "Betty"
Dallas
On Sep 1, 2005, at 9:26 AM, Brian Lloyd wrote:
> . Anyone want to go along just for the hell of it? I need
> to put my boat back in the water and get the rest of my stuff to
> finish my
> move back to California. If anyone has a morbid curiosity I will be
> overflying
> the area hit hardest by Katrina.
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Kevin Pilling" <pilling.k@btconnect.com>
Yeah..I found the same site earlier this morning looking for the video
clip.......very flattering
As to the canardzone link......those guys get paid for that!
kp
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Jefferies" <mark.j@yakuk.com>
Subject: Yak-List: aerostars
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Jefferies" <mark.j@yakuk.com>
>
> http://www.sirviper.com/index.php?page=flesland_airshow/aerostars/index
>
>
> http://www.canardzone.com/content/JetFlightInMountains.wmv been on
> exploder
> before but worth another view.
>
>
> Best regards, fly safe-Mark Jefferies
>
>
> For YAK UK Ltd www.yakuk.com
> Lt Gransden Airfield
> Sandy, Beds
> SG19 3BP
> England.
> Tel +44 (0)1767 651156.
> Fax +44 (0)1767 651157
> Mobile +44 (0)7785 538 317
> Conditions and terms of business
> Aircraft for sale
>
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Kevin Pilling" <pilling.k@btconnect.com>
Apologies to all Listers this was intended to be Off-List
kp
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Pilling" <pilling.k@btconnect.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: aerostars
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Kevin Pilling" <pilling.k@btconnect.com>
>
> Yeah..I found the same site earlier this morning looking for the video
> clip.......very flattering
>
> As to the canardzone link......those guys get paid for that!
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Re: New Orleans |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <cpayne@joimail.com>
>--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
>
>Ernest Martinez wrote:
>
>> I'm wondering if ATC radar is out of commision in the gulf states. I know
>> that weather radar site were taken out as the storm progressed. Any airline
>> pilots out there know if ARTCC is working???
>
>That is actually a really good question as I am planning to fly through there
>on Sunday.
Ahhh, the perfect follow-up to the TFR thread. Interesting flight since there is
a huge TFR over the area. OTOH, radar is out for low altitude airways so maybe
they won't see you.
Craig Payne
cpayne@joimail.com
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <cpayne@joimail.com>
>In all this chaos that is taking place in New Orleans and Biloxi, one question
>has to be asked: "Where's Jesse?"
>Doc
Ah, now I smell bait in the water! Bite your keyboard Doc, no power, no cameras:
no cameras, no Jesse.
Craig Payne
cpayne@joimail.com
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| Subject: | Re: Re: New Orleans |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Craig Payne wrote:
>>That is actually a really good question as I am planning to fly through there
>>on Sunday.
>
>
> Ahhh, the perfect follow-up to the TFR thread. Interesting flight since there
is a huge TFR over the area. OTOH, radar is out for low altitude airways so maybe
they won't see you.
I suspect they are going to be notably trigger happy and, contrary to popular
belief, I am *NOT* stupid. You know, sometimes discretion is the better part
of valor. I would never knowingly violate an FAR anyway.
I already figured there would be a TFR there.
Oh f---, our fearless leader is going to "demonstrate leadership" and hose up
a bunch of airspace there tomorrow. Here's hoping he will be gone by Sunday
when I have to blow through.
It could be interesting, mostly for being able to find fuel along the way. I
should be able to make it from east TX to the FL panhandle without too much
trouble tho'.
--
Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
brian-yak@lloyd.com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Yes, Bring on the Rainbow's with their tax exept status. I can hear his
people calling..."Where's Jesse...Where's Jesse?...He's extorted so much
for.......himself!" He told us to go forth and reproduce. And they did...
filled the ghetos for him..voters one and all...a dollar for them and two
for him! Jesse, Where are YOU now?
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: Craig Payne <cpayne@joimail.com>
> To: yak-list <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 9/1/2005 1:13:21 PM
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Question
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <cpayne@joimail.com>
>
> >In all this chaos that is taking place in New Orleans and Biloxi, one
question
> >has to be asked: "Where's Jesse?"
> >Doc
>
> Ah, now I smell bait in the water! Bite your keyboard Doc, no power, no
cameras: no cameras, no Jesse.
>
> Craig Payne
> cpayne@joimail.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Re: New Orleans |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
What ever you do, don't go there Friday. The POTUS will be there. See the
AOPA website for details.
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: Craig Payne <cpayne@joimail.com>
> To: yak-list <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 9/1/2005 1:10:23 PM
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Re: New Orleans
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <cpayne@joimail.com>
>
> >--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
> >
> >Ernest Martinez wrote:
> >
> >> I'm wondering if ATC radar is out of commision in the gulf states. I
know
> >> that weather radar site were taken out as the storm progressed. Any
airline
> >> pilots out there know if ARTCC is working???
> >
> >That is actually a really good question as I am planning to fly through
there
> >on Sunday.
>
> Ahhh, the perfect follow-up to the TFR thread. Interesting flight since
there is a huge TFR over the area. OTOH, radar is out for low altitude
airways so maybe they won't see you.
>
> Craig Payne
> cpayne@joimail.com
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Craig Payne wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <cpayne@joimail.com>
>
>>In all this chaos that is taking place in New Orleans and Biloxi, one question
>>has to be asked: "Where's Jesse?"
>>Doc
>
>
> Ah, now I smell bait in the water! Bite your keyboard Doc, no power, no cameras:
no cameras, no Jesse.
Besides, he is the champion of the downtrodden but the downtrodden are being a
bit butt-headed right now therefore I suspect he wants some distance. It is
really hard for the downtrodden to cry, "we're the victims" when they are busy
looting and shooting people.
Sadly, this is pretty bad. The veneer of civilization is pretty thin in some
parts of the world. I would not have expected that of people in the US.
I know that several RPA members are members of various flying aid
organizations. Any of you planning to help with the mounting aid operation? If
you are and know anyone who needs a flying pick-up truck, I was planning to
fly through there and will have the seats out of the plane so I can carry lots
of stuff anyway. No reason not to stop and help out if I can. All I need is
for someone to give me gas. I have a 1500 lb useful load. I can carry a lot of
stuff and get in and out of a 1700' cleared piece of ground.
--
Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
brian-yak@lloyd.com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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| Subject: | Re: Yet More TFR |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Cliff Umscheid <netmaster15@juno.com>
Hi Craig,
In a spirit of friendliness I submit that the better place to express
your vast aeronautical knowledge and keen wit is not the internet but in
the cockpit BEFORE becoming entangled in a humiliating and demeaning FAA
enforcement violation . That way you don't have to be concerned with
being humble and protecting your arse from the hot seat.
I have re- read your account of events leading up to the FAA's
airspace violation charge against you. Consider, if you will, the
following statements from your account:
1) "... I had to remind them not to LET ME FLY INTO THE NO-FLY
ZONE"
2) "There is no good solution".
First, There have always been STRONG Captains; there have always
been some WEAK Captains. This applies to all PICs. The strong ones do not
have a mindset that CONTROLLERS , Chief Pilots, Vice Presidents or even
FAA administrators are in charge of their cockpits. The STRONG Captains
are not wired to the default position of surrendering Captain's
Authority to some long haired, faceless entity in your headset who is not
there to LET YOU do any specific act.Nor does he hold any attachment to
your throttles or flight controls. Neither does his name or job
description appear in FAR part 91.3, which speaks only of the
responsibility and authority of the PIC.
I spent 37 years fighting to protect and preserve
Captain's Authority for you and others coming along, to inherit. If YOU
surrender it with your humility and contrition along with a reluctance to
USE your authority when faced with the need to do so, then, you deserve
to face an enforcement hearing with your head hung low and your mouth
shut. Think about what others before you have done to protect that mantle
of Captain's Authority which you have inherited. You owe no less a duty
to preserve and protect it for the benefit of those who come after you.
Second, So, what can you do about it? You say, "There is no good
solution". I say there is a hell of a good solution if you stop sleep
walking through your career. Here's what you say the next time some
controller wants to steer your airplane into restricted airspace or
into a dangerous weather condition (eg, hail) - either of which poses a
serious threat to the safety of your aluminum corporation and its
occupants: "The heading you're offering me is not acceptable for safety
reasons; NO DISCUSSION, give me a heading of xxx degrees or ,
alternatively, xxx degrees
immediately, or I'll squawk 7700; I AM EXERCISING EMERGENCY AUTHORITY.".
You'll be amazed at the effectiveness of this phrase and of your
regulatory authority . That's what it's there for. If you have to write a
letter, you simply include the phrase, " could not guarantee the
continued safety of the aircraft and passengers therein in light of the
perceived threat and information available to me at that time- were I to
continue on the course offered by the controller".
Remember, from a legal standpoint the Captain or PIC is in that
position to guarantee the safety and success of the flight. He is the
FINAL and ULTIMATE authority as to that operation. THEREFORE:
Third, In the case of a PART 135 or 121 operator, these are
considered to be COMMON CARRIERS OF PASSENGERS FOR HIRE. Thus, the legal
STANDARD OF CARE to which both the carrier and the employee Captain
(who is also a federal licensee) are held is THE HIGHEST STANDARD OF CARE
ATTAINABLE. Not ORDINARY CARE, as in the case of a PART 91 operator.
Throughout the law the only instance where this elevated standard of care
is required is in the operation of a common carrier of passengers for
hire. THEREFORE, The Captain is held to a higher standard of care in the
performance of his duties than is the entire FAA or any employee thereof.
The Captain is the ultimate guarantor of the safety of the flight and
passengers. If this scares anyone they can tear off one stripe and cut
the wreath off the wings and be a co-pilot. But even the co-pilot is
still an employee of a common carrier, but without the ultimate
resonsibility.
If you're the Captain, act like the Captain, don't make people
guess who's in charge here, and don't let controllers make your
decisions-they all suffer from testicle envy.
Warm Regards,
Cliff Umscheid
--> Yak-List message posted by: Cliff Umscheid
> <netmaster15@juno.com>
> >
> >Hey Craig,
> >Do you mean to tell us your lawyer and hearing officer had to point
> out
> >to you that "IT is always the responsibility of
> >the PIC to accept or decline a clearance"?
> >
>
> Gee, and I thought the place to express my vast aeronautical
> knowledge and keen wit was on the internet, not in an FAA
> Enforcement Hearing. I know it's hard to be humble for some folks,
> but when your butts on the hot seat, that's the time to shut your
> mouth and stay cool.
>
> Craig Payne
> cpayne@joimail.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
You guy's must not have TV's, He's in Venzuela getting a Ribbon from a
Chavez.
Ernie
On 9/1/05, Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com> wrote:
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
>
>
> Craig Payne wrote:
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <cpayne@joimail.com>
> >
> >>In all this chaos that is taking place in New Orleans and Biloxi, one
> question
> >>has to be asked: "Where's Jesse?"
> >>Doc
> >
> >
> > Ah, now I smell bait in the water! Bite your keyboard Doc, no power, no
> cameras: no cameras, no Jesse.
>
> Besides, he is the champion of the downtrodden but the downtrodden are
> being a
> bit butt-headed right now therefore I suspect he wants some distance. It
> is
> really hard for the downtrodden to cry, "we're the victims" when they are
> busy
> looting and shooting people.
>
> Sadly, this is pretty bad. The veneer of civilization is pretty thin in
> some
> parts of the world. I would not have expected that of people in the US.
>
> I know that several RPA members are members of various flying aid
> organizations. Any of you planning to help with the mounting aid
> operation? If
> you are and know anyone who needs a flying pick-up truck, I was planning
> to
> fly through there and will have the seats out of the plane so I can carry
> lots
> of stuff anyway. No reason not to stop and help out if I can. All I need
> is
> for someone to give me gas. I have a 1500 lb useful load. I can carry a
> lot of
> stuff and get in and out of a 1700' cleared piece of ground.
>
> --
> Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
> brian-yak@lloyd.com Folsom, CA 95630
> +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
>
> I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
> - Antoine de Saint-Exupery
>
>
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| Subject: | Re:Re: Yet more TFR |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <cpayne@joimail.com>
>I have re- read your account of events leading up to the FAA's
>airspace violation charge against you. Consider, if you will, the
>following statements from your account:
> 1) "... I had to remind them not to LET ME FLY INTO THE NO-FLY
>ZONE"
>
Craig Payne
cpayne@joimail.com
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| Subject: | Re:Re: Yet more TFR |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Richard Basiliere" <BasiliereR@ci.boulder.co.us>
Delivering an A56TC Baron to Tamiami, FL tomorrow from Boulder.
Briefing now was not specific but...told me to stay away from "coastal
areas and their TFR's" trust me I'll be getting specific tomorrow
am!!!
I'll let you know if I get busted. Planning on FL190 - winds 250 at 12
@190 - not much help
Rick b
>>> cpayne@joimail.com 9/1/2005 3:34:46 PM >>>
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <cpayne@joimail.com>
>I have re- read your account of events leading up to the FAA's
>airspace violation charge against you. Consider, if you will, the
>following statements from your account:
> 1) "... I had to remind them not to LET ME FLY INTO THE NO-FLY
>ZONE"
>
Craig Payne
cpayne@joimail.com
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
A little off topic here but I have to ask.
Several weeks ago there was a Movie on TV about a Hurricane that hits LA,
disrupts oil and pretty much starts WWIII. I cant remember the name, did
anyone else see it???? What was the name of it.
Ernie
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| Subject: | Re: fuel tank advice |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Tim & Jessie Windsor" <windsorsedge@ozemail.com.au>
Love to see a photo to see if it can go in a Yak
Best Regards,
Tim & Jessie Windsor
Windsor's Edge
McDonalds Rd
Pokolbin. NSW
Ph (02) 4998 7737
windsorsedge@ozemail.com.au
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Ivey" <jim@jimivey.com>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: fuel tank advice
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Ivey" <jim@jimivey.com>
>
> Ron:
>
> I have a 23.5 gallon aluminum tank in that very area of my CJ. It is
> placarded for no aerobatics with fuel in it. I also take off on mains and
> switch to the aux in level cruise (never wanted to see how steep an angle
> would unport a partially-filled aux -- my guess is it would never happen
but
> why tempt it). The selector valve is located behind pilot's left ankle on
> floor and fuel from aux goes to header just like mains. Very accurate
> automotive-style fuel gauge is located at pilot's right elbow for aux
tank.
>
> Photo of filler neck and cap installation available upon request.
>
> Jim Ivey
> N46YK
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
"Shit hits the Fan"? "Gheto vermin run Wild"
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 9/1/2005 5:57:05 PM
> Subject: Yak-List: Movie
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
>
> A little off topic here but I have to ask.
>
> Several weeks ago there was a Movie on TV about a Hurricane that hits LA,
> disrupts oil and pretty much starts WWIII. I cant remember the name, did
> anyone else see it???? What was the name of it.
>
> Ernie
>
>
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