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1. 06:47 AM - GED Hotel Information (DaBear)
2. 08:01 AM - Re: new phone number (Ron Davis)
3. 08:17 AM - Re: Re: ACM brief (Ron Davis)
4. 08:43 AM - Re: GED Hotel Information (Daniel Fortin)
5. 12:56 PM - Re: GED Hotel Information (DaBear)
6. 01:33 PM - CO levels (Rob Mortara)
7. 01:55 PM - Re: CO levels (Roger Kemp)
8. 03:50 PM - Re: CO levels (Roger Kemp)
9. 08:55 PM - Re: CO levels (cjpilot710@aol.com)
10. 09:10 PM - CJ Excessive Oil Leaking (Jim Shanks)
11. 09:44 PM - desser tubes (Jon Boede)
12. 10:41 PM - Re: CO levels (Cliff Umscheid)
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Northeast Raiders <Northeast-Raiders-squadron@googlegroups.com>
| Subject: | GED Hotel Information |
--> Yak-List message posted by: DaBear <dabear@damned.org>
Folks,
We have rooms reserved at the Comfort Inn in Rehoboth Beach, DE. It is
14.8 miles from Georgetown, just a few miles more than the Atlantic
Inn. Within a few miles of the hotel are over 30 restaurants for dinner
including chain restaurants such as Outback, IHOP, etc. The contact
information is included below. Please make your reservations as soon as
possible since we have limited time before the clinic and the hotel may
fill up. Tell them you are with the Aviation group/Red Star Pilots
Association.
Comfort Inn
4439 Hwy One
Rehoboth Beach, DE 19971
(302) 226-1515
Al DeVere
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| Subject: | Re: new phone number |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
Was any of the clan "emigrated" to Australia?
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
The last one sounds like the most interesting.
>Weapons employment zone (WEZ), Desired Learning Objective (DLO) and Out of
>Controlled Flight (OCF).
>Doc
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| Subject: | GED Hotel Information |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Daniel Fortin" <fougapilot@hotmail.com>
FYI,
Just called and they cannot accept reservations before 1500hrs (eastern
time) today. Something to do with this marvel of technology called a
computer... Will call them back at 1500hrs...
D
>From: DaBear <dabear@damned.org>
>Reply-To: yak-list@matronics.com
>To: yak-list@matronics.com, Northeast Raiders
><Northeast-Raiders-squadron@googlegroups.com>
>Subject: Yak-List: GED Hotel Information Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 09:48:53
>-0400
>
>--> Yak-List message posted by: DaBear <dabear@damned.org>
>
>Folks,
>
>We have rooms reserved at the Comfort Inn in Rehoboth Beach, DE. It is
>14.8 miles from Georgetown, just a few miles more than the Atlantic
>Inn. Within a few miles of the hotel are over 30 restaurants for dinner
>including chain restaurants such as Outback, IHOP, etc. The contact
>information is included below. Please make your reservations as soon as
>possible since we have limited time before the clinic and the hotel may
>fill up. Tell them you are with the Aviation group/Red Star Pilots
>Association.
>
>Comfort Inn
>4439 Hwy One
>Rehoboth Beach, DE 19971
>(302) 226-1515
>
>
>Al DeVere
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: GED Hotel Information |
--> Yak-List message posted by: DaBear <dabear@damned.org>
Folks,
I just talked to the sales person at the hotel. We should be able to
book rooms within the next hour under Red Star Pilot's Association and
the rate is $105 a night.
Al
DaBear wrote:
>Folks,
>
>We have rooms reserved at the Comfort Inn in Rehoboth Beach, DE. It is
>14.8 miles from Georgetown, just a few miles more than the Atlantic
>Inn. Within a few miles of the hotel are over 30 restaurants for dinner
>including chain restaurants such as Outback, IHOP, etc. The contact
>information is included below. Please make your reservations as soon as
>possible since we have limited time before the clinic and the hotel may
>fill up. Tell them you are with the Aviation group/Red Star Pilots
>Association.
>
>Comfort Inn
>4439 Hwy One
>Rehoboth Beach, DE 19971
>(302) 226-1515
>
>
>Al DeVere
>
>
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Rob Mortara" <rob@robinhill.com>
I have tested today CO levels front at face level results as follows
CO levels Chang 21740
9/10/2005
Taxi canopy closed 11 ppm
Taxi canopy open 18 ppm
Enroute climb 680 2000 rpm canopy closed rich 22ppm
Enroute climb 680 2000 rpm canopy closed lean 12 ppm
Enroute 680 2000 rpm canopy open rich 46 ppm
Enroute 680 2000 rpm canopy open lean 30 ppm
No change in levels with front vent open
Enroute lean cruise canopy closed 4ppm
Enroute Rich Cruise canopy closed 7ppm
Landing canopy closed 50 ppm
Pervious testing by Phil Cogan showed levels approaching 200 ppm with smoke
on
Marty and Mort have seen levels in the rear seat during acro 245 ppm
It appears leaning helps a lot and opening the canopy increases CO
substantially
Testing done with a minimax-pro CO detector at face level- I would like to
document rear occupant CO levels and formation levels.
ROB
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Good Work
Now we only need this to be accomplished in a random double blind study to
with out a doubt confirm that we have a problem. It could just be your
airplane. No all kidding aside, we are not trying to meet the Blue Cross/
Blue Shield or United Health Care standard for denial of reimbursement for
services already provided. We are trying to save lives from an incidious
killer in our presence.
A problem does exist and we need to come up with a cure. Metullite is the
only substance that when placed inline with a filtration system will break
CO to CO2. That (CO2) then has to be scrubbed. That can be done through a
Soda Lime canister down stream to the metullite. You are still going to
have to introduce the aviators mask to the system attached to a CRU-60 and
using a permenantly mounted regulator. Can be done, but will not be real
cheap.
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: Rob Mortara <rob@robinhill.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 9/10/2005 3:33:26 PM
> Subject: Yak-List: CO levels
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Rob Mortara" <rob@robinhill.com>
>
>
> I have tested today CO levels front at face level results as follows
>
> CO levels Chang 21740
> 9/10/2005
>
> Taxi canopy closed 11 ppm
> Taxi canopy open 18 ppm
>
>
> Enroute climb 680 2000 rpm canopy closed rich 22ppm
> Enroute climb 680 2000 rpm canopy closed lean 12 ppm
> Enroute 680 2000 rpm canopy open rich 46 ppm
> Enroute 680 2000 rpm canopy open lean 30 ppm
> No change in levels with front vent open
> Enroute lean cruise canopy closed 4ppm
> Enroute Rich Cruise canopy closed 7ppm
>
> Landing canopy closed 50 ppm
>
>
> Pervious testing by Phil Cogan showed levels approaching 200 ppm with
smoke
> on
>
> Marty and Mort have seen levels in the rear seat during acro 245 ppm
>
> It appears leaning helps a lot and opening the canopy increases CO
> substantially
>
> Testing done with a minimax-pro CO detector at face level- I would like to
> document rear occupant CO levels and formation levels.
>
> ROB
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Sorry, I misspelled the product name for this wire mesh convertor. Metulit
is the correct spelling. Problem is it needs thermal energy to drive the
reaction that converts CO to CO2. The problem is you now need a way to
eliminate the CO2. That can be accomplished by scrubbing the air with soda
lime (commonly used in anesthesia circuits.
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: Roger Kemp <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 9/10/2005 3:54:53 PM
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: CO levels
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>
> Good Work
> Now we only need this to be accomplished in a random double blind study to
> with out a doubt confirm that we have a problem. It could just be your
> airplane. No all kidding aside, we are not trying to meet the Blue Cross/
> Blue Shield or United Health Care standard for denial of reimbursement for
> services already provided. We are trying to save lives from an insidious
> killer in our presence.
> A problem does exist and we need to come up with a cure. Metullite is the
> only substance that when placed inline with a filtration system will break
> CO to CO2. That (CO2) then has to be scrubbed. That can be done through a
> Soda Lime canister down stream to the metullite. You are still going to
> have to introduce the aviators mask to the system attached to a CRU-60 and
> using a permanently mounted regulator. Can be done, but will not be real
> cheap.
> Doc
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Rob Mortara <rob@robinhill.com>
> > To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> > Date: 9/10/2005 3:33:26 PM
> > Subject: Yak-List: CO levels
> >
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Rob Mortara" <rob@robinhill.com>
> >
> >
> > I have tested today CO levels front at face level results as follows
> >
> > CO levels Chang 21740
> > 9/10/2005
> >
> > Taxi canopy closed 11 ppm
> > Taxi canopy open 18 ppm
> >
> >
> > En route climb 680 2000 rpm canopy closed rich 22ppm
> > En route climb 680 2000 rpm canopy closed lean 12 ppm
> > En route 680 2000 rpm canopy open rich 46 ppm
> > En route 680 2000 rpm canopy open lean 30 ppm
> > No change in levels with front vent open
> > En route lean cruise canopy closed 4ppm
> > Enroute Rich Cruise canopy closed 7ppm
> >
> > Landing canopy closed 50 PM
> >
> >
> > Pervious testing by Phil Cogan showed levels approaching 200 ppm with
> smoke
> > on
> >
> > Marty and Mort have seen levels in the rear seat during acro 245 ppm
> >
> > It appears leaning helps a lot and opening the canopy increases CO
> > substantially
> >
> > Testing done with a minimax-pro CO detector at face level- I would like
to
> > document rear occupant CO levels and formation levels.
> >
> > ROB
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
In a message dated 9/10/2005 6:51:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
viperdoc@mindspring.com writes:
I am interested in this CO converter/scrubber.
How it might be installed in a CJ-6.
What power does it need and how big is it.?
I'd like to get cost between it and a supplemental oxygen system
installation.
I looked at oxygen systems at OSH this year.
I thought the units (small ones) would easily fit in the CJ.
With my WW2 RAF flight helmet and leather Ox mask it would be real cool.
I'd like to use that mask instead of that canular thingy sticking in my
nose. (yes I know its very efficient but So un-fighter pilot looking!)
Of course there is the refill issue to contend with. I've never had to deal
with refilling oxygen system.
The other line of attack is airframe mods to reduce the levels. KISS first
and foremost. Rob's readings are a bit of a surprise to me. I normally fly
with my canopy opened slightly and the front vent open ALWAYS. I've felt
this gave me cleaner air as well keeping the cockpit cooler. However his
readings show that CO is higher with canopy open than closed. Like Doc, I'd like
to see one or two other tests on different aircraft to verify this. Also tests
would need to be conducted again after mods.
:-) If someone would lend me one of those CO readers, I perform the test
in my airplane. :-{
Jim "Pappy"Goolsby
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Sorry, I misspelled the product name for this wire mesh convertor. Metulit
is the correct spelling. Problem is it needs thermal energy to drive the
reaction that converts CO to CO2. The problem is you now need a way to
eliminate the CO2. That can be accomplished by scrubbing the air with soda
lime (commonly used in anesthesia circuits.
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: Roger Kemp <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 9/10/2005 3:54:53 PM
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: CO levels
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>
> Good Work
> Now we only need this to be accomplished in a random double blind study to
> with out a doubt confirm that we have a problem. It could just be your
> airplane. No all kidding aside, we are not trying to meet the Blue Cross/
> Blue Shield or United Health Care standard for denial of reimbursement for
> services already provided. We are trying to save lives from an insidious
> killer in our presence.
> A problem does exist and we need to come up with a cure. Metullite is the
> only substance that when placed inline with a filtration system will break
> CO to CO2. That (CO2) then has to be scrubbed. That can be done through a
> Soda Lime canister down stream to the metullite. You are still going to
> have to introduce the aviators mask to the system attached to a CRU-60 and
> using a permanently mounted regulator. Can be done, but will not be real
> cheap.
> Doc
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Rob Mortara <rob@robinhill.com>
> > To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> > Date: 9/10/2005 3:33:26 PM
> > Subject: Yak-List: CO levels
> >
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Rob Mortara" <rob@robinhill.com>
> >
> >
> > I have tested today CO levels front at face level results as follows
> >
> > CO levels Chang 21740
> > 9/10/2005
> >
> > Taxi canopy closed 11 ppm
> > Taxi canopy open 18 ppm
> >
> >
> > En route climb 680 2000 rpm canopy closed rich 22ppm
> > En route climb 680 2000 rpm canopy closed lean 12 ppm
> > En route 680 2000 rpm canopy open rich 46 ppm
> > En route 680 2000 rpm canopy open lean 30 ppm
> > No change in levels with front vent open
> > En route lean cruise canopy closed 4ppm
> > Enroute Rich Cruise canopy closed 7ppm
> >
> > Landing canopy closed 50 PM
> >
> >
> > Pervious testing by Phil Cogan showed levels approaching 200 ppm with
> smoke
> > on
> >
> > Marty and Mort have seen levels in the rear seat during acro 245 ppm
> >
> > It appears leaning helps a lot and opening the canopy increases CO
> > substantially
> >
> > Testing done with a minimax-pro CO detector at face level- I would like
to
> > document rear occupant CO levels and formation levels.
> >
> > ROB
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | CJ Excessive Oil Leaking |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Shanks" <shankeroid@comcast.net>
Rather than purchase an oil tank shutoff valve system for the Huosai, has anyone
tried to actually fix the problem of excessive oil leaking (mostly through
the exhaust) when the aircraft sits for a while? Ours has a tendency to leak-down
an average of one quart per week out the stacks.
I talked with Bill Blackwell who seems to think the oil pressure reducing valve
is allowing oil to leak through and probably needs to be cleaned. Has anyone
done this with any success?
Any other suggestions?
Thanks.
Jim Shanks
shankeroid@comcast.net
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net>
Anybody have any luck with a particular Desser tube for the mains and nose
on a CJ?
Thanks,
Jon
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Cliff Umscheid <netmaster15@juno.com>
THINKING OF INSTALLING AN O2 SYSTEM IN THAT CJ?
If you get involved with filling your small on-board O2 bottle from a
larger bottle kept in your hangar, note this cautionary bulletin
directed to all flight deck crew members by one of our more famous
airline operators of yesteryear. "to reduce risk of cockpit O2 flash
fire O2 shutoff valve located at top of main O2 cylinder must be
opened SLOWLY to avoid friction created heat or spark generated by metal
to metal contact within shutoff valve",
nuff said!
Cliff Umscheid
YAK 50
On Sat, 10 Sep 2005 23:54:58 EDT cjpilot710@aol.com writes:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
>
>
> In a message dated 9/10/2005 6:51:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> viperdoc@mindspring.com writes:
>
> I am interested in this CO converter/scrubber.
> How it might be installed in a CJ-6.
> What power does it need and how big is it.?
> I'd like to get cost between it and a supplemental oxygen system
> installation.
>
> I looked at oxygen systems at OSH this year.
> I thought the units (small ones) would easily fit in the CJ.
> With my WW2 RAF flight helmet and leather Ox mask it would be real
> cool.
> I'd like to use that mask instead of that canular thingy sticking in
> my
> nose. (yes I know its very efficient but So un-fighter pilot
> looking!)
> Of course there is the refill issue to contend with. I've never had
> to deal
> with refilling oxygen system.
>
> The other line of attack is airframe mods to reduce the levels.
> KISS first
> and foremost. Rob's readings are a bit of a surprise to me. I
> normally fly
> with my canopy opened slightly and the front vent open ALWAYS.
> I've felt
> this gave me cleaner air as well keeping the cockpit cooler.
> However his
> readings show that CO is higher with canopy open than closed. Like
> Doc, I'd like
> to see one or two other tests on different aircraft to verify this.
> Also tests
> would need to be conducted again after mods.
>
> :-) If someone would lend me one of those CO readers, I perform
> the test
> in my airplane. :-{
>
> Jim "Pappy"Goolsby
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp"
> <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>
> Sorry, I misspelled the product name for this wire mesh convertor.
> Metulit
> is the correct spelling. Problem is it needs thermal energy to
> drive the
> reaction that converts CO to CO2. The problem is you now need a way
> to
> eliminate the CO2. That can be accomplished by scrubbing the air
> with soda
> lime (commonly used in anesthesia circuits.
>
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Roger Kemp <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> > To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> > Date: 9/10/2005 3:54:53 PM
> > Subject: RE: Yak-List: CO levels
> >
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp"
> <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> >
> > Good Work
> > Now we only need this to be accomplished in a random double blind
> study to
> > with out a doubt confirm that we have a problem. It could just be
> your
> > airplane. No all kidding aside, we are not trying to meet the
> Blue Cross/
> > Blue Shield or United Health Care standard for denial of
> reimbursement for
> > services already provided. We are trying to save lives from an
> insidious
> > killer in our presence.
> > A problem does exist and we need to come up with a cure.
> Metullite is the
> > only substance that when placed inline with a filtration system
> will break
> > CO to CO2. That (CO2) then has to be scrubbed. That can be done
> through a
> > Soda Lime canister down stream to the metullite. You are still
> going to
> > have to introduce the aviators mask to the system attached to a
> CRU-60 and
> > using a permanently mounted regulator. Can be done, but will not
> be real
> > cheap.
> > Doc
> >
> >
> > > [Original Message]
> > > From: Rob Mortara <rob@robinhill.com>
> > > To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> > > Date: 9/10/2005 3:33:26 PM
> > > Subject: Yak-List: CO levels
> > >
> > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Rob Mortara"
> <rob@robinhill.com>
> > >
> > >
> > > I have tested today CO levels front at face level results as
> follows
> > >
> > > CO levels Chang 21740
> > > 9/10/2005
> > >
> > > Taxi canopy closed 11 ppm
> > > Taxi canopy open 18 ppm
> > >
> > >
> > > En route climb 680 2000 rpm canopy closed rich 22ppm
> > > En route climb 680 2000 rpm canopy closed lean 12 ppm
> > > En route 680 2000 rpm canopy open rich 46 ppm
> > > En route 680 2000 rpm canopy open lean 30 ppm
> > > No change in levels with front vent open
> > > En route lean cruise canopy closed 4ppm
> > > Enroute Rich Cruise canopy closed 7ppm
> > >
> > > Landing canopy closed 50 PM
> > >
> > >
> > > Pervious testing by Phil Cogan showed levels approaching 200
> ppm with
> > smoke
> > > on
> > >
> > > Marty and Mort have seen levels in the rear seat during acro
> 245 ppm
> > >
> > > It appears leaning helps a lot and opening the canopy increases
> CO
> > > substantially
> > >
> > > Testing done with a minimax-pro CO detector at face level- I
> would like
> to
> > > document rear occupant CO levels and formation levels.
> > >
> > > ROB
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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