Today's Message Index:
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1. 12:30 AM - Re: Chris Ellison Proposal (Drew Blahnick)
2. 12:51 AM - musings (cjpilot710@aol.com)
3. 05:12 AM - Re: Re: Chris Ellison Proposal (A. Dennis Savarese)
4. 05:45 AM - Re: FW: Fresh "RAM" air to breath. (cjpilot710@aol.com)
5. 05:51 AM - Re: FW: Fresh "RAM" air to breath. (cjpilot710@aol.com)
6. 06:13 AM - Re: FW: Fresh "RAM" air to breath. (Roger Kemp)
7. 06:18 AM - Re: Re: Chris Ellison Proposal (Roger Kemp)
8. 06:19 AM - Re: "O2" Systems (Roger Kemp)
9. 06:26 AM - Re: 911 Sunday (Roger Kemp)
10. 06:26 AM - Re: FW: Fresh "RAM" air to breath. (A. Dennis Savarese)
11. 06:30 AM - Re: FW: Fresh "RAM" air to breath. (Roger Kemp)
12. 06:40 AM - O2 Systems in Yaks (Jeff Linebaugh)
13. 06:42 AM - Re: (Roger Kemp)
14. 07:31 AM - CO (jandefinley@comcast.net)
15. 08:35 AM - Re: CO levels (Barry Hancock)
16. 09:18 AM - Re: (Brian Lloyd)
17. 09:21 AM - Re: FW: Fresh "RAM" air to breath. (Brian Lloyd)
18. 10:33 AM - Re: "O2" Systems (fish@aviation-tech.com)
19. 11:12 AM - oxygen systems (Brian Lloyd)
20. 11:37 AM - Re: "O2" Systems (Richard Basiliere)
21. 11:47 AM - Re: (ART)
22. 11:48 AM - England wins the ashes. (Fraser, Gus)
23. 12:00 PM - Re: (ART)
24. 12:08 PM - Re: CJ Excessive Oil Leaking (Bitterlich GS11 Mark G)
25. 12:14 PM - radio questions (Luke Sollitt)
26. 12:29 PM - Re: England wins the ashes. (Roger Kemp)
27. 01:11 PM - Re: England wins the ashes. (Kevin Pilling)
28. 01:12 PM - Re: radio questions (Bitterlich GS11 Mark G)
29. 02:24 PM - Re: (ART)
30. 02:36 PM - New Yak-52 Artwork (Timothy Gagnon)
31. 02:52 PM - Re: New Yak-52 Artwork (Jerome van der Schaar)
32. 03:24 PM - Re: New Yak-52 Artwork (Roger Kemp)
33. 03:24 PM - Re: "O2" Systems (fish@aviation-tech.com)
34. 04:33 PM - Yak-50-52 Art (Timothy Gagnon)
35. 06:26 PM - Sergei Boriak (Steven A Johnson)
36. 06:28 PM - Re: "O2" Systems (DaBear)
37. 06:37 PM - Yak 52 Gyro compass (Steven A Johnson)
38. 06:56 PM - Re: Yak-50-52 Art (Roger Kemp)
39. 07:18 PM - The Official IAR-823 Website (Frank Haertlein)
40. 07:29 PM - Re: The Official IAR-823 Website (A. Dennis Savarese)
41. 07:46 PM - Re: Sergei Boriak (Stephen Fox)
42. 07:58 PM - Carbon monoxide (Paul Blakely)
43. 08:05 PM - Re: The Official IAR-823 Website (Roger Kemp)
44. 08:06 PM - Re: The Official IAR-823 Website (Roger Kemp)
45. 08:08 PM - Oxygen drawn from same tanks/source (Frank Haertlein)
46. 08:14 PM - Re: New Yak-52 Artwork (Frank Haertlein)
47. 08:48 PM - Re: The Official IAR-823 Website (A. Dennis Savarese)
48. 11:22 PM - Re: "O2" Systems (Brian Lloyd)
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| Subject: | Re: Chris Ellison Proposal |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Drew Blahnick <lacloudchaser@yahoo.com>
This will wipe me out savings wise if I cant get the
insur company to cover it-if you have this with
company letterhead, I will be faxing it to them
tomorrow. Some asshole they sent on prekontrina
damages put repairs at 3800.00 - was there
significatly more damage? (i hope)
Drew
--- dlvend@hotmail.com <dlvend@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Proposal
> Chris Ellison
> Home Remodeling & Repairs
> 2105 Seagrape Drive
> Navarre, Fl 32566
> 850-565-0548
>
>
>
> Date of Proposal: September 10, 2005 Job Site: 1921
Catamaran Dr.
> Job Proposed to: Drew A. Blahnick
Navarre,
> Fl 32566
> 854 47th Ave.
> Miami Beach, Fl 33140
>
>
>
>
> Bid Includes:
> FENCE
> * Remove two hundred fifty (250) linear feet of
fence
> * Dumpster fees
> * Material supplied:
> 4x4x8 treated lumber
> 2x4x16 treated lumber
> 1x6 slot dogeared treated
> 160 lbs. of cement per post
> Two (2) gates
> * All posts will be mounted approximately eight (8)
foot on center
>
>
> ROOF REPAIR
> * All damaged areas on roof to be repaired
> * Match shingle as close to original as possible
> * Approximately two (2) square of shingles
> * Replace ridge cap (one (1) piece)
>
>
>
>
>
> FRONT ENTRANCE DOOR
> * Remove front door
> * Replace front door
> * Install new fiberglass door on front
> * All necessary modifications to fit door
> * New moldings if necessary
> * Customer to pick color to paint front door
> * Choice of door will be a center arch with a
TerraCourt glass (good for
> privacy)
>
>
> REAR FRENCH DOORS
> * Removal of French doors
> * Re-install French doors
> * Door will be metal finish
> * Paint will be chosen by owner
> * All necessary modifications to fit door
> * Doors also have built in blinds
> * *New doors will have all brass hardware
> * *All demo will be carted away by a container
company
>
>
> TOTAL PRICE:
________________________________$13,500.00
>
>
>
>
>
> Exclusions:
> * Any part of job scope not spoken about
>
> All work performed will have a one (1) year
workmanship warrantee.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Terms: Three (3) payments
=== Message Truncated ===
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--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
Overheard:
B-17 pilot to female army medevac helicopter pilot.
"I find it appropriate that you're flying an aircraft that has a red cross
painted on it and it needs a "Jesus Nut" to keep the wings on".
Standing under #4 engine watching a mechanic working under the cowl, the
co-pilot who flies this B-24 asks his 4 year old grandson "Now which is the best
bomber?"
"That one." pointing to the B-17 parked next to them. "It isn't broke."
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| Subject: | Re: Chris Ellison Proposal |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
Drew,
Is this something you really wanted to post to the Yak list?
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Drew Blahnick" <lacloudchaser@yahoo.com>
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Chris Ellison Proposal
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Drew Blahnick <lacloudchaser@yahoo.com>
>
> This will wipe me out savings wise if I cant get the
> insur company to cover it-if you have this with
> company letterhead, I will be faxing it to them
> tomorrow. Some asshole they sent on prekontrina
> damages put repairs at 3800.00 - was there
> significatly more damage? (i hope)
> Drew
> --- dlvend@hotmail.com <dlvend@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Proposal
>> Chris Ellison
>> Home Remodeling & Repairs
>> 2105 Seagrape Drive
>> Navarre, Fl 32566
>> 850-565-0548
>>
>>
>>
>> Date of Proposal: September 10, 2005 Job Site: 1921
> Catamaran Dr.
>> Job Proposed to: Drew A. Blahnick
> Navarre,
>> Fl 32566
>> 854 47th Ave.
>> Miami Beach, Fl 33140
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Bid Includes:
>> FENCE
>> * Remove two hundred fifty (250) linear feet of
> fence
>> * Dumpster fees
>> * Material supplied:
>> 4x4x8 treated lumber
>> 2x4x16 treated lumber
>> 1x6 slot dogeared treated
>> 160 lbs. of cement per post
>> Two (2) gates
>> * All posts will be mounted approximately eight (8)
> foot on center
>>
>>
>> ROOF REPAIR
>> * All damaged areas on roof to be repaired
>> * Match shingle as close to original as possible
>> * Approximately two (2) square of shingles
>> * Replace ridge cap (one (1) piece)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> FRONT ENTRANCE DOOR
>> * Remove front door
>> * Replace front door
>> * Install new fiberglass door on front
>> * All necessary modifications to fit door
>> * New moldings if necessary
>> * Customer to pick color to paint front door
>> * Choice of door will be a center arch with a
> TerraCourt glass (good for
>> privacy)
>>
>>
>> REAR FRENCH DOORS
>> * Removal of French doors
>> * Re-install French doors
>> * Door will be metal finish
>> * Paint will be chosen by owner
>> * All necessary modifications to fit door
>> * Doors also have built in blinds
>> * *New doors will have all brass hardware
>> * *All demo will be carted away by a container
> company
>>
>>
>> TOTAL PRICE:
> ________________________________$13,500.00
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Exclusions:
>> * Any part of job scope not spoken about
>>
>> All work performed will have a one (1) year
> workmanship warrantee.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Terms: Three (3) payments
> === Message Truncated ===
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: FW: Fresh "RAM" air to breath. |
--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
In a message dated 9/12/2005 2:58:43 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
yak52driver@earthlink.net writes:
This sounds doable.
Some of you may remember that I used to wear a USAF helmet and oxygen mask.
The hose simply hung down and wasn't connected to anything. (Useless of
course but looked neat as hell). A few times I'd stick the end of the hose out
of the cockpit into the slipstream. The effect was like pressure breathing. I
was getting more air in than my lungs could suck in and the mask lifted off
my face.
I'm about to put in a B&C alternator - the cooling duck for the current
generator will need to be changed or modified.
It could have "Y" added to bring clean air to hoses to the cockpit.
What think ye dear comrades?
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
<yak52driver@earthlink.net>
If you're going to use a military type face mask to breath with then why
not plumb the air line out the front of the aircraft? For example, I
bypassed my heat-muff so I get air straight into the cockpit from the
front scoop. I don't have a facemask connected up this way but it would
seem to be an easy mod. Both front and rear could be supplied fresh ram
to breath. YMMV Frank N9110M YAK-52 L71
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| Subject: | Re: FW: Fresh "RAM" air to breath. |
--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
In a message dated 9/12/2005 2:58:43 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
yak52driver@earthlink.net writes:
Another thought here. Would not this be a good source of ram air to - in a
since- "pressurize" the cockpit with fresh air that would keep CO from
entering the cockpit?
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
<yak52driver@earthlink.net>
If you're going to use a military type face mask to breath with then why
not plumb the air line out the front of the aircraft? For example, I
bypassed my heat-muff so I get air straight into the cockpit from the
front scoop. I don't have a facemask connected up this way but it would
seem to be an easy mod. Both front and rear could be supplied fresh ram
to breath. YMMV Frank N9110M YAK-52 L71
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| Subject: | FW: Fresh "RAM" air to breath. |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Thought about that too.
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: Frank Haertlein <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 9/12/2005 1:57:31 AM
> Subject: Yak-List: FW: Fresh "RAM" air to breath.
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
<yak52driver@earthlink.net>
>
>
> If you're going to use a military type face mask to breath with then why
> not plumb the air line out the front of the aircraft? For example, I
> bypassed my heat-muff so I get air straight into the cockpit from the
> front scoop. I don't have a facemask connected up this way but it would
> seem to be an easy mod. Both front and rear could be supplied fresh ram
> to breath. YMMV Frank N9110M YAK-52 L71
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Chris Ellison Proposal |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Drew,
Not sure if you wanted this on the list or not, but that is the same kind
of crap I got from my insurance conpany after Ivan roared thru MGM.
Aomething about we do not cover water damage. Despite the fact that it was
WIND BLOWN WATER DAMAGE!!!! !
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: Drew Blahnick <lacloudchaser@yahoo.com>
> To: <dlvend@hotmail.com>
> Date: 9/12/2005 2:29:50 AM
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Chris Ellison Proposal
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Drew Blahnick <lacloudchaser@yahoo.com>
>
> This will wipe me out savings wise if I cant get the
> insur company to cover it-if you have this with
> company letterhead, I will be faxing it to them
> tomorrow. Some asshole they sent on prekontrina
> damages put repairs at 3800.00 - was there
> significatly more damage? (i hope)
> Drew
> --- dlvend@hotmail.com <dlvend@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Proposal
> > Chris Ellison
> > Home Remodeling & Repairs
> > 2105 Seagrape Drive
> > Navarre, Fl 32566
> > 850-565-0548
> >
> >
> >
> > Date of Proposal: September 10, 2005 Job Site: 1921
> Catamaran Dr.
> > Job Proposed to: Drew A. Blahnick
> Navarre,
> > Fl 32566
> > 854 47th Ave.
> > Miami Beach, Fl 33140
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Bid Includes:
> > FENCE
> > * Remove two hundred fifty (250) linear feet of
> fence
> > * Dumpster fees
> > * Material supplied:
> > 4x4x8 treated lumber
> > 2x4x16 treated lumber
> > 1x6 slot dogeared treated
> > 160 lbs. of cement per post
> > Two (2) gates
> > * All posts will be mounted approximately eight (8)
> foot on center
> >
> >
> > ROOF REPAIR
> > * All damaged areas on roof to be repaired
> > * Match shingle as close to original as possible
> > * Approximately two (2) square of shingles
> > * Replace ridge cap (one (1) piece)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > FRONT ENTRANCE DOOR
> > * Remove front door
> > * Replace front door
> > * Install new fiberglass door on front
> > * All necessary modifications to fit door
> > * New moldings if necessary
> > * Customer to pick color to paint front door
> > * Choice of door will be a center arch with a
> TerraCourt glass (good for
> > privacy)
> >
> >
> > REAR FRENCH DOORS
> > * Removal of French doors
> > * Re-install French doors
> > * Door will be metal finish
> > * Paint will be chosen by owner
> > * All necessary modifications to fit door
> > * Doors also have built in blinds
> > * *New doors will have all brass hardware
> > * *All demo will be carted away by a container
> company
> >
> >
> > TOTAL PRICE:
> ________________________________$13,500.00
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Exclusions:
> > * Any part of job scope not spoken about
> >
> > All work performed will have a one (1) year
> workmanship warrantee.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Terms: Three (3) payments
> === Message Truncated ===
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: "O2" Systems |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
OK, got it. You have not gone to an air system off the Scott pack.
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: DaBear <dabear@damned.org>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 9/12/2005 1:52:08 AM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: "O2" Systems
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: DaBear <dabear@damned.org>
>
> Doc,
>
> Yes, I meant the CO problem we are having not CO2. And sorry for the
> confusion, but I'm only using the Scott bottle as a backup for the
> standard air system we have. It is my backup bottle if I leave the air
on.
>
> DaBear
>
> Roger Kemp wrote:
>
> >--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> >
> >DeBaer,
> >CO2 (carbon dioxide) is a problem, but CO ( carbon monoxide) is the real
> >problem. There is no good answer to solving this yet. I am searching for
a
> >KISS way that is not break the bank expensive.
> >I am interested in the mainfolds you used in you Scott system and what
mask
> >are you using? Can you send me photos of the system and some info?
> >Doc
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>[Original Message]
> >>From: DaBear <dabear@damned.org>
> >>To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> >>Date: 9/11/2005 12:13:08 PM
> >>Subject: Re: Yak-List: "O2" Systems
> >>
> >>--> Yak-List message posted by: DaBear <dabear@damned.org>
> >>
> >>Jeff,
> >>
> >>For use at high altitude for breathing rather than 02 systems? I've
> >>thought about this for a while now since I already have the Scott bottle
> >>and regulator in the CJ. The Scott system will last from 30 min to 1.5
> >>hours for one person depending on breathing rate and size of the
> >>bottle. However, I don't want to charge my breathing air system every
> >>hour or so when I can use pure 02 and turn down the rate of the 02
> >>system and get hours out of a similar sized bottle.
> >>
> >>Now if you are talking in place of eliminating the CO2 in the cockpit,
> >>I'd rather get rid of the CO2 than to cover up the problem.
> >>
> >>DaBear
> >>
> >>
> >>Jeff Linebaugh wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jeff Linebaugh"
> >>>
> >>>
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
I'm with you Craig. The shot has been fired across our bow at OSH. If we do
not fix it we are going to lose somebody to what the NTSB calls "pilot
error" and controlled flight into terrain (CFT).
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: Craig Payne <cpayne@joimail.com>
> To: yak-list <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 9/12/2005 1:55:28 AM
> Subject: Yak-List: 911 Sunday
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <cpayne@joimail.com>
>
> A quiet Sept 9th, much different than 4 years ago and I'm grateful for
that. Partaking of the freedoms so many have struggled for, I flew with my
RV buddies for breakfast. With my co-owner and mother of my children in the
back seat of an RV-4 with my camera, we did some more pics of tufts; in
cruise this time.
>
> The pics are scary, lots of turbulence along the fuselage in front of the
wing. Exhaust fumes easily migrate into the boundary layer underneath and
along the fuselage. On the way back my spouse got enough fumes in the back
seat to get a headache...and it wasn't even bedtime :
> )
>
> Sooo, I've got fixes in the works for the rear cockpit, aft fuselage and
exh stack extensions. My experiments with cowl air flow should have
application to CJ and Yak alike for better flow control. (less drag too).
Still lots of testing to do but I'd really like to see a coordinated effort
within our community to address the CO problem.
>
>
> Craig Payne
> cpayne@joimail.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: FW: Fresh "RAM" air to breath. |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
FYI. The Yak 52 has precisely that type of design with an intake scoop
mounted at the 10 o'clock position on the cowl cooling louvers. It is
ducted to the heat exchanger where "ram air" , both cold or heated, is
vented to both the front and rear cockpits.
But in the 52, there is one area that could potentially be a problem. It is
around the flap actuator control rods which exit through the fuselage just
under the rear seat. Many Yak 52's have the cover plates removed from
around these control rods. The cover plates prevent outside air from moving
into the cockpit. The holes through the fuselage for the control rods are
under the lower wing inboard fairing, which is pretty much in line with the
engine exhaust stacks.
In the colder weather, without these covers, a GIB will definitely feel the
cold air around their feet. In the summer, it feels great but.......
Anyone with a smoke system and without the flap control rod covers will
definitely smoke out any GIB.
When addressing the CO issues in the 52, please check for the flap control
rod covers between the ends of the flap actuator and the fuselage. If your
aircraft has the covers, you will not be able to see the polished flap
actuator control rods.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: <cjpilot710@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: FW: Fresh "RAM" air to breath.
> --> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 9/12/2005 2:58:43 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> yak52driver@earthlink.net writes:
>
> Another thought here. Would not this be a good source of ram air to - in
> a
> since- "pressurize" the cockpit with fresh air that would keep CO from
> entering the cockpit?
>
> Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
> <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
>
>
> If you're going to use a military type face mask to breath with then why
> not plumb the air line out the front of the aircraft? For example, I
> bypassed my heat-muff so I get air straight into the cockpit from the
> front scoop. I don't have a facemask connected up this way but it would
> seem to be an easy mod. Both front and rear could be supplied fresh ram
> to breath. YMMV Frank N9110M YAK-52 L71
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: FW: Fresh "RAM" air to breath. |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Pappy,
We need to do a system and test the CO levels to answer that question. In a
sense, we are already doing that in the YAK if you fly with the air open on
the heater vent and the heater lever closed.
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: <cjpilot710@aol.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 9/12/2005 7:51:46 AM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: FW: Fresh "RAM" air to breath.
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 9/12/2005 2:58:43 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> yak52driver@earthlink.net writes:
>
> Another thought here. Would not this be a good source of ram air to -
in a
> since- "pressurize" the cockpit with fresh air that would keep CO from
> entering the cockpit?
>
> Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
> <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
>
>
> If you're going to use a military type face mask to breath with then why
> not plumb the air line out the front of the aircraft? For example, I
> bypassed my heat-muff so I get air straight into the cockpit from the
> front scoop. I don't have a facemask connected up this way but it would
> seem to be an easy mod. Both front and rear could be supplied fresh ram
> to breath. YMMV Frank N9110M YAK-52 L71
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jeff Linebaugh" <jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net>
Just so there is no confusion....there was a mixing of subjects regarding O2
and air systems for our aircraft.
DO NOT fill your air system bottles with pure oxygen, or aviators
oxygen!!!!!! Do not use an aviators oxygen tank filled with O2 as a back up
for your air system! Doing so will cause a BIG bang.....!
All I was trying to suggest is that a scuba bottle may be a source of
breathable air through a mask, as a simpler way to help the CO problem.
Frankly, Frank took it one step simpler and suggested using ram air from a
blast tube hooked to a mask...I like that even better! No regulator needed!
I am still concerned with CO in our cockpits, and have already installed a
back canopy skirt on our CJ...it was a big help...but having a source of
clean, breathable air in case of smoke in the cockpit, etc, is desirable for
me also...
Jeff Linebaugh
jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net
CJ-6P N621CJ
Memphis, TN
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Who did you go to for the A 14 o@ regulator. Remember with the diluter
demand you are still breathing a mixture of room air (ambient air) mixed
with O2 as altitude demands. Not to sound condesending and I do not want to
sound that way, just remember to select 100% if you want to close out all
ambient air. Also, after flying for an your on 100% O2, you will have to
valsalva to clear your ears frequently or you run the risk of developing a
serous otitis (ear infection). The Navy guys fly around on 100% all the
time. The theory is it gives them longer to egress from a sinking A/C and
they are correct.
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: ART <art79@cwnet.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 9/12/2005 1:55:29 AM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List:
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: ART <art79@cwnet.com>
>
> I JUST INSTALLED A REBUILT AND UPGRADED A14 OXYGEN REGULATOR IDENTICAL TO
THE ONES
> USED IN WW2 AIRCRAFT. IT USES A SCOTT 38 CU FT TANK AND VALVE WHICH TEE'S
OFF TO A
> REMOTE FILL WITH THE OTHER LINE GOING TO THE REGULATOR. I INSTALLED THE
TANK
> BEHIND THE FRONT SEAT ON THE HORIZONTAL PANEL WHERE ALL THE CHINESE RADIO
STUFF
> USED TO BE. FROM THE REGULATOR IS A HOSE GOING TO A CRU-60 QUICK
DISCONECT THEN ON
> UP THROUGH ANOTHER HOSE TO THE MBU-5 OR MBU-12 MASK WHICH EVER YOU
PREFER. THE
> MASK THEN SNAPS NICELY INTO YOUR HELMET. THE SPECIFICATION SHEET FOR THE
A14
> DILUTER DEMAND REGULATOR STATES 5 CU FT PER HOUR FROM SEA LEVEL TO 20,000
OR SO.
> THAT SHOULD GIVE 7 HRS OF OXYGEN FOR 1 GUY. THE COST HERE AT HAYWARD FOR
THE TRUCK
> TO DRIVE OVER AND FILL THE TANK IS 65.00. THE TANK WEIGHS ABOUT 22 POUND
FULL WITH
> BRACKETS ETC. JUST INSTALLED IT AND HAVE TO RUN 1 MORE LINE. HOPE IT
WORKS.
> INCIDENTALLY THIS STUFF REALLY LOOKS KOOL IN THE CJ..ART
>
>
> On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 12:38 , Roger Kemp <viperdoc@mindspring.com> sent:
>
> >--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> >
> >DeBaer,
> >CO2 (carbon dioxide) is a problem, but CO ( carbon monoxide) is the real
> >problem. There is no good answer to solving this yet. I am searching for
a
> >KISS way that is not break the bank expensive.
> >I am interested in the mainfolds you used in you Scott system and what
mask
> >are you using? Can you send me photos of the system and some info?
> >Doc
> >
> >
> >> [Original Message]
> >> From: DaBear dabear@damned.org>
> >> To: yak-list@matronics.com>
> >> Date: 9/11/2005 12:13:08 PM
> >> Subject: Re: Yak-List: "O2" Systems
> >>
> >> --> Yak-List message posted by: DaBear dabear@damned.org>
> >>
> >> Jeff,
> >>
> >> For use at high altitude for breathing rather than 02 systems? I've
> >> thought about this for a while now since I already have the Scott
bottle
> >> and regulator in the CJ. The Scott system will last from 30 min to 1.5
> >> hours for one person depending on breathing rate and size of the
> >> bottle. However, I don't want to charge my breathing air system every
> >> hour or so when I can use pure 02 and turn down the rate of the 02
> >> system and get hours out of a similar sized bottle.
> >>
> >> Now if you are talking in place of eliminating the CO2 in the cockpit,
> >> I'd rather get rid of the CO2 than to cover up the problem.
> >>
> >> DaBear
> >>
> >>
> >> Jeff Linebaugh wrote:
> >>
> >> >--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jeff Linebaugh"
> >jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net>
> >> >
> >> >Folks...just an idea....
> >> >
> >> >What we really want is breathable air to avoid the CO problem.
> >Question.do
> >> >we really need "aviators O2"?
> >> >
> >> >Firefighters use straight compressed air as their source of breathable
> >air.
> >> >Assuming that we are staying at lower altitudes, and not trying to
fight
> >> >hypoxia, wouldn't compressed air work?
> >> >
> >> >Just about all of us have sources for compressed air...be it a scuba
> >bottle,
> >> >with schrader fittings, or something resembling the fire fighters set
up.
> >> >Would it not be possible to just put in a scuba bottle and use that
as a
> >> >source of air to a mask? Sure would be a heck of a lot cheaper than
> >using
> >> >aviators O2"....if it is good enough to fight a fire with would it be
> >good
> >> >enough to fly with?
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
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>
>
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1.53 RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO Received: contains an IP address used for HELO
--> Yak-List message posted by: jandefinley@comcast.net
Just a little note on the same CO problem with the IAR823. The CO was at acceptable
levels during normal cruise airspeeds, but when slow (as in acro, pattern
work,or heavy high altitude climb/cruise) the CO became unsafe. This was solved
with a new exhaust header design by Aircraft Exhaust Technologies that extended
the exhaust tips down and aft. All concerned should consider extending the
CJ/YAK exhaust pipes and possibly turning them aft. Craig, when you are photographing
the airlow tufts around the wing roots,try slow vs. normal cruise speeds.
This small mod may be perferable to a cumbersome air/O2 system....John
Just a little note on the same CO problem with the IAR823. The CO was at acceptable
levels during normal cruise airspeeds, but when slow (as in acro, pattern
work,or heavy high altitude climb/cruise) the CO became unsafe. This was solved
with a new exhaust header design by Aircraft Exhaust Technologies that extended
the exhaust tips down and aft. All concerned should consider extending the
CJ/YAK exhaust pipes and possibly turning them aft. Craig, when you are photographing
the airlow tufts around the wing roots,try slow vs. normal cruise speeds.
This small mod may be perferable to a cumbersome air/O2 system....John
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <barry@flyredstar.org>
> Sooo, I've got fixes in the works for the rear cockpit, aft fuselage
> and exh stack
> extensions. My experiments with cowl air flow should have application
> to CJ
> and Yak alike for better flow control. (less drag too). Still lots of
> testing
> to do but I'd really like to see a coordinated effort within our
> community to
> address the CO problem.
>
>
> Craig Payne
> cpayne@joimail.com
Craig, et. al.,
Thanks for all your hard work. I believe this to be the most important
issue facing our community at current. As long as we are not landing
gear up, running out of fuel, or spinning into the ground, we will ALL
benefit from focusing our collective efforts on what really is a MAJOR
health issue long term in these airplanes. I wonder how many CJ/Yak
instructors are dying from lung cancer in China and Russia.... >:(
As such, I am going to bring before the BoD of the RPA a motion to form
a committee to officially address this problem and support the effort
of those who are doing the work.
Craig, Doc, and who ever else is qualified and interested in making a
concerted dedication to this effort, please send me what you need to do
the job right. Based on these needs I will submit a plan to the BoD
and members at large to find an expedient solution to this problem. I
personally feel it is worth a $100 donation from every RPA member and
person on this list to support the efforts of those who will give us so
much more in return. Craig, please send me your address off list, I'd
like to start the contributions by sending you a $200 check to offset
fuel costs...
Cheers,
Barry
Barry Hancock
Western Regional Coordinator
RedStar Pilots Association
(949) 300-5510
www.flyredstar.org
"Communism - Lousy Politics, Great Airplanes"
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
ART wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: ART <art79@cwnet.com>
>
> I JUST INSTALLED A REBUILT AND UPGRADED A14 OXYGEN REGULATOR IDENTICAL TO THE
ONES
> USED IN WW2 AIRCRAFT.
If I recall correctly, this is a diluter-demand regulator. It dilutes the O2
with ambient air in the proper proportion up to about 30K feet when it goes
over to 100%. This means at low altitude you are breathing almost 100% ambient
air. You are not going to solve the CO problem that way.
--
Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
brian-yak@lloyd.com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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| Subject: | Re: FW: Fresh "RAM" air to breath. |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
cjpilot710@aol.com wrote:
> I'm about to put in a B&C alternator - the cooling duck for the current
> generator will need to be changed or modified.
> It could have "Y" added to bring clean air to hoses to the cockpit.
>
> What think ye dear comrades?
I think that should work.
--
Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
brian-yak@lloyd.com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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| Subject: | Re: "O2" Systems |
--> Yak-List message posted by: fish@aviation-tech.com
Mr Linebaugh,
If you are primarly flying out of the same field, and do the servicing yourself,
ABO (Aviators Breathing Oxygen) will cost about the same as compressed air.
Last year for the CJAA fly-in at Mojave, CA; my cost for N2 and O2 for all aircraft
(we did not use all the gases that were purchased) was les than $50.00. I beleive
we had 10-12 aircraft at the event, although all aircraft did require servicing.
In two weeks we will be having the same fly-in and I will report back on the
cost of gasses to cover the event.
Getting back to subject, ABO has other advantages also:
1. If you want to fly over 10K feet, you need O2
2. FAA recomends using O2 at night (helps with W/vision).
There are some disadvantages also, which Doc has mentioned in a different post
already. But in my opinion the advantages outweigh the disadvantages.
I will probably install an oxygen system in my aircraft eventually anyway as
it is need to perform hicap on rescue missions for the CAP. I have been on several
missions where no aircraft had O2 and staying in contact with rescue aircraft
was a problem.
Fly Safe
John Fischer
Yak-52, N123YA
California City, CA
>--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jeff Linebaugh" <jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net>
>
>Folks...just an idea....
>
>What we really want is breathable air to avoid the CO problem. Question.do
>we really need "aviators O2"?
>
>Firefighters use straight compressed air as their source of breathable air.
>Assuming that we are staying at lower altitudes, and not trying to fight
>hypoxia, wouldn't compressed air work?
>
>Just about all of us have sources for compressed air...be it a scuba bottle,
>with schrader fittings, or something resembling the fire fighters set up.
>Would it not be possible to just put in a scuba bottle and use that as a
>source of air to a mask? Sure would be a heck of a lot cheaper than using
>aviators O2"....if it is good enough to fight a fire with would it be good
>enough to fly with?
>
>
>Jeff Linebaugh
>jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net
>CJ-6P N621CJ
>Memphis, TN
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
On the advice of Hal "Batman" Morley, I installed an O2 system in my CJ some
years ago. Like him I found that the O2 made me feel *much* better at the end
of a long cross country flight. Since it did provide substantial reduction in
fatigue I do not think the problem was one of CO in the cockpit.
I installed a Mountain High system with permanent plumbing in the aircraft (it
was a VERY easy installation). At the altitudes I usually operated for long
cross countries, 12,000'-14,000', the 415L bottle was usually good for about
30 hours using the nasal canula.
As for refilling, check into the transfiller adapters from Mountain High.
(http://www.mhoxygen.com/). As they point out, all O2 whether for welding,
flying (ABO), or medical use comes from the same source, liquid O2. There is
no difference between these types of O2. But welding O2 is much cheaper than
ABO so if you do want to install an O2 system, get a transfiller and use
welding O2 to refill your system. That way it will cost just pennies to use.
--
Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
brian-yak@lloyd.com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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| Subject: | Re: "O2" Systems |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Richard Basiliere" <BasiliereR@ci.boulder.co.us>
Just an FYI and not to get things started...
ABO is the same as Medical is the same as Industrial (welding). I
called Air Liquide, years ago, and they sent me their standards
printout. The standards vary but Air Liquide produces their O2 to the
highest standard (Industrial - go figure) and delivers that to
everyone.
Rick b
>>> fish@aviation-tech.com 9/12/2005 9:15:55 AM >>>
--> Yak-List message posted by: fish@aviation-tech.com
Mr Linebaugh,
If you are primarly flying out of the same field, and do the servicing
yourself,
ABO (Aviators Breathing Oxygen) will cost about the same as compressed
air.
Last year for the CJAA fly-in at Mojave, CA; my cost for N2 and O2 for
all aircraft
(we did not use all the gases that were purchased) was les than $50.00.
I beleive
we had 10-12 aircraft at the event, although all aircraft did require
servicing.
In two weeks we will be having the same fly-in and I will report back
on the
cost of gasses to cover the event.
Getting back to subject, ABO has other advantages also:
1. If you want to fly over 10K feet, you need O2
2. FAA recomends using O2 at night (helps with W/vision).
There are some disadvantages also, which Doc has mentioned in a
different post
already. But in my opinion the advantages outweigh the disadvantages.
I will probably install an oxygen system in my aircraft eventually
anyway as
it is need to perform hicap on rescue missions for the CAP. I have been
on several
missions where no aircraft had O2 and staying in contact with rescue
aircraft
was a problem.
Fly Safe
John Fischer
Yak-52, N123YA
California City, CA
>--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jeff Linebaugh"
<jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net>
>
>Folks...just an idea....
>
>What we really want is breathable air to avoid the CO problem.
Question.do
>we really need "aviators O2"?
>
>Firefighters use straight compressed air as their source of breathable
air.
>Assuming that we are staying at lower altitudes, and not trying to
fight
>hypoxia, wouldn't compressed air work?
>
>Just about all of us have sources for compressed air...be it a scuba
bottle,
>with schrader fittings, or something resembling the fire fighters set
up.
>Would it not be possible to just put in a scuba bottle and use that as
a
>source of air to a mask? Sure would be a heck of a lot cheaper than
using
>aviators O2"....if it is good enough to fight a fire with would it be
good
>enough to fly with?
>
>
>Jeff Linebaugh
>jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net
>CJ-6P N621CJ
>Memphis, TN
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: ART <art79@cwnet.com>
THERE IS A GUY DOWN NEAR LA SOMEWHERE. HIS NAME IS MIGUEL AT 818 988 8025. HE WAS
THE MAIN MAN AT AVOX FOR MANY YEARS. REAL NICE GUY AND KNOWS THESE SYSTEMS INSIDE
AND OUT. HE CAN GET YOU EVERY THING YOU NEED USED AND OR NEW OR REBUILT. I ALSO
TESTED MY AIRCRAFT WITH THE EXPERT CO MONITOR AND FOUND NONE AT CRUISE OR ROLLING
CANOPY CLOSED OR CRACKED OPEN. I DID GET A BUNCH ON TAKE OFF AND LANDING. MY
CONCLUSION IS THE FLAPS DOWNN DURING LANDING CAUSED LOTS OF BURBLING FORCING THE
STUFF INTO THE BELLY WHEREVER IT COULD ENTER. REALLY GOT BAD IF I FORGOT TO RAISE
THE FLAPS WHILE MAKING MY WAY BACK TO THE RAMP. ART
On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 08:42 , Roger Kemp <viperdoc@mindspring.com> sent:
>--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>
>Who did you go to for the A 14 o@ regulator. Remember with the diluter
>demand you are still breathing a mixture of room air (ambient air) mixed
>with O2 as altitude demands. Not to sound condesending and I do not want to
>sound that way, just remember to select 100% if you want to close out all
>ambient air. Also, after flying for an your on 100% O2, you will have to
>valsalva to clear your ears frequently or you run the risk of developing a
>serous otitis (ear infection). The Navy guys fly around on 100% all the
>time. The theory is it gives them longer to egress from a sinking A/C and
>they are correct.
>Doc
>
>
>> [Original Message]
>> From: ART art79@cwnet.com>
>> To: yak-list@matronics.com>
>> Date: 9/12/2005 1:55:29 AM
>> Subject: Re: Yak-List:
>>
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: ART art79@cwnet.com>
>>
>> I JUST INSTALLED A REBUILT AND UPGRADED A14 OXYGEN REGULATOR IDENTICAL TO
>THE ONES
>> USED IN WW2 AIRCRAFT. IT USES A SCOTT 38 CU FT TANK AND VALVE WHICH TEE'S
>OFF TO A
>> REMOTE FILL WITH THE OTHER LINE GOING TO THE REGULATOR. I INSTALLED THE
>TANK
>> BEHIND THE FRONT SEAT ON THE HORIZONTAL PANEL WHERE ALL THE CHINESE RADIO
>STUFF
>> USED TO BE. FROM THE REGULATOR IS A HOSE GOING TO A CRU-60 QUICK
>DISCONECT THEN ON
>> UP THROUGH ANOTHER HOSE TO THE MBU-5 OR MBU-12 MASK WHICH EVER YOU
>PREFER. THE
>> MASK THEN SNAPS NICELY INTO YOUR HELMET. THE SPECIFICATION SHEET FOR THE
>A14
>> DILUTER DEMAND REGULATOR STATES 5 CU FT PER HOUR FROM SEA LEVEL TO 20,000
>OR SO.
>> THAT SHOULD GIVE 7 HRS OF OXYGEN FOR 1 GUY. THE COST HERE AT HAYWARD FOR
>THE TRUCK
>> TO DRIVE OVER AND FILL THE TANK IS 65.00. THE TANK WEIGHS ABOUT 22 POUND
>FULL WITH
>> BRACKETS ETC. JUST INSTALLED IT AND HAVE TO RUN 1 MORE LINE. HOPE IT
>WORKS.
>> INCIDENTALLY THIS STUFF REALLY LOOKS KOOL IN THE CJ..ART
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 12:38 , Roger Kemp viperdoc@mindspring.com> sent:
>>
>> >--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>> >
>> >DeBaer,
>> >CO2 (carbon dioxide) is a problem, but CO ( carbon monoxide) is the real
>> >problem. There is no good answer to solving this yet. I am searching for
>a
>> >KISS way that is not break the bank expensive.
>> >I am interested in the mainfolds you used in you Scott system and what
>mask
>> >are you using? Can you send me photos of the system and some info?
>> >Doc
>> >
>> >
>> >> [Original Message]
>> >> From: DaBear dabear@damned.org>
>> >> To: yak-list@matronics.com>
>> >> Date: 9/11/2005 12:13:08 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: Yak-List: "O2" Systems
>> >>
>> >> --> Yak-List message posted by: DaBear dabear@damned.org>
>> >>
>> >> Jeff,
>> >>
>> >> For use at high altitude for breathing rather than 02 systems? I've
>> >> thought about this for a while now since I already have the Scott
>bottle
>> >> and regulator in the CJ. The Scott system will last from 30 min to 1.5
>> >> hours for one person depending on breathing rate and size of the
>> >> bottle. However, I don't want to charge my breathing air system every
>> >> hour or so when I can use pure 02 and turn down the rate of the 02
>> >> system and get hours out of a similar sized bottle.
>> >>
>> >> Now if you are talking in place of eliminating the CO2 in the cockpit,
>> >> I'd rather get rid of the CO2 than to cover up the problem.
>> >>
>> >> DaBear
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Jeff Linebaugh wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jeff Linebaugh"
>> >jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net>
>> >> >
>> >> >Folks...just an idea....
>> >> >
>> >> >What we really want is breathable air to avoid the CO problem.
>> >Question.do
>> >> >we really need "aviators O2"?
>> >> >
>> >> >Firefighters use straight compressed air as their source of breathable
>> >air.
>> >> >Assuming that we are staying at lower altitudes, and not trying to
>fight
>> >> >hypoxia, wouldn't compressed air work?
>> >> >
>> >> >Just about all of us have sources for compressed air...be it a scuba
>> >bottle,
>> >> >with schrader fittings, or something resembling the fire fighters set
>up.
>> >> >Would it not be possible to just put in a scuba bottle and use that
>as a
>> >> >source of air to a mask? Sure would be a heck of a lot cheaper than
>> >using
>> >> >aviators O2"....if it is good enough to fight a fire with would it be
>> >good
>> >> >enough to fly with?
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | England wins the ashes. |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Fraser, Gus" <gus.fraser@gs.com>
Given that everyone else seems to be ok with non Yak posts just wanted to
see what you all make of this as a subject.
One very happy Englishman.
Gus Fraser
SP-91 N791SP
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--> Yak-List message posted by: ART <art79@cwnet.com>
HEY BRIAN . THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT AS WELL, BUT MIGUEL, THE GUY WHO USED TO WORK
FOR AVOX HAS THE SPEC SHEET ON THESE A14 AND A12 REGUULATORS. IT SPECIFICALLY
STATED SEA LEVEL, 5,000 , 10,000 AND ON UP ALL AT 5 CU FT PER HOUR AND ACTUALLY
DECREASING UNTIL IT SWITCHED TO PRESSURE FEED. BUT ACTUALLUY I ALSO INSTALLED THIS
SYSTEM SO I COULD FLY AT HIGHER ALTITUDES ON LONG TRIPS AND MABY CATCH A TAIL WIND
ONCE IN A WHILE IF THERE WAS ONE. ALSO FOR NIGHT FLIGHT. INCIDENTIALLY I DON'T
REALLY SEE ANY CO AT CRUISE IN MY COCKPIT. ART
On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 09:18 , Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com> sent:
>--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd brian-yak@lloyd.com>
>
>
>ART wrote:
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: ART art79@cwnet.com>
>>
>> I JUST INSTALLED A REBUILT AND UPGRADED A14 OXYGEN REGULATOR IDENTICAL TO THE
ONES
>> USED IN WW2 AIRCRAFT.
>
>If I recall correctly, this is a diluter-demand regulator. It dilutes the O2
>with ambient air in the proper proportion up to about 30K feet when it goes
>over to 100%. This means at low altitude you are breathing almost 100% ambient
>air. You are not going to solve the CO problem that way.
>
>--
>Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
>brian-yak@lloyd.com Folsom, CA 95630
>+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
>
>I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
>- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
>
>
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| Subject: | CJ Excessive Oil Leaking |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Bitterlich GS11 Mark G <BitterlichMG@cherrypoint.usmc.mil>
Could you perhaps give complete details on how to accomplish this task? If
this is a stupid question, please excuse me.
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: A. Dennis Savarese [mailto:dsavarese@elmore.rr.com]
Subject: Re: Yak-List: CJ Excessive Oil Leaking
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese"
<dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
You are and so is Bill, 100% correct. Remove the reducing valve/shut off
valve in the oil pump, resurface it and most importantly check the spring to
make sure it is not bent broken. A bent spring will cause the valve not to
seat properly when the engine shuts down and the oil pressure in the pump is
eliminated. I have seen several springs that were slightly bent or
stretched out of shape.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Shanks" <shankeroid@comcast.net>
Subject: Yak-List: CJ Excessive Oil Leaking
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Shanks" <shankeroid@comcast.net>
>
> Rather than purchase an oil tank shutoff valve system for the Huosai,
> has anyone tried to actually fix the problem of excessive oil leaking
> (mostly through the exhaust) when the aircraft sits for a while? Ours has
> a tendency to leak-down an average of one quart per week out the stacks.
> I talked with Bill Blackwell who seems to think the oil pressure
> reducing valve is allowing oil to leak through and probably needs to be
> cleaned. Has anyone done this with any success?
> Any other suggestions?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Jim Shanks
> shankeroid@comcast.net
>
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Luke Sollitt <sollitt@srl.caltech.edu>
Hello folks --
My only VHF radio us a Bendix RT-241B. It is doing some pretty weird
stuff: on some frequencies, it is loud and clear; on others, it is barely
audible or not even readable. How might this be corrected, and is there a
newer radio that can fit in that slot?
Thanks
Luke Sollitt
Luke Sollitt
Space Radiation Lab
219 Downs, 220-47 Caltech
Pasadena, CA 91125
(626) 395-6634
"That road does not lead towards war, whose gate lies open to the stars"
-- Alcuin
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| Subject: | England wins the ashes. |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Do NOT know what to say Gus Ol Boy, your URL to the "happy Blok" got lost
somewhere between there and electron purgatory?.
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: Fraser, Gus <gus.fraser@gs.com>
> To: yak-list@matronics.com <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 9/12/2005 1:48:01 PM
> Subject: Yak-List: England wins the ashes.
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Fraser, Gus" <gus.fraser@gs.com>
>
> Given that everyone else seems to be ok with non Yak posts just wanted to
> see what you all make of this as a subject.
>
> One very happy Englishman.
>
> Gus Fraser
> SP-91 N791SP
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: England wins the ashes. |
--> Yak-List message posted by: " Kevin Pilling" <pilling.k@btconnect.com>
Gus
Given some of the 'off Yak-CJ' stuff that gets aired on this list I think
the Ashes is an OK subject.
Any true blue Americans that understand the significance...and even less
likely the rules, gets the
temporary award of Honorary Brit.
kp
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fraser, Gus" <gus.fraser@gs.com>
Subject: Yak-List: England wins the ashes.
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Fraser, Gus" <gus.fraser@gs.com>
>
> Given that everyone else seems to be ok with non Yak posts just wanted to
> see what you all make of this as a subject.
>
> One very happy Englishman.
>
> Gus Fraser
> SP-91 N791SP
>
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Bitterlich GS11 Mark G <BitterlichMG@cherrypoint.usmc.mil>
I believe that radio is an old 360 channel job. It might even use crystals
and not PLL. If you insist on trying to use it, look at the antenna as a
possible problem given what you are complaining of. Failing that, the time
and effort to fix that old a radio is really not worth it, given todays
bench fees. You really need a 720 channel job... just to even stay LEGAL,
and in the long run, you'd save money.
Mark Bitterlich
N50YK
-----Original Message-----
From: Luke Sollitt [mailto:sollitt@srl.caltech.edu]
Subject: Yak-List: radio questions
--> Yak-List message posted by: Luke Sollitt <sollitt@srl.caltech.edu>
Hello folks --
My only VHF radio us a Bendix RT-241B. It is doing some pretty weird
stuff: on some frequencies, it is loud and clear; on others, it is barely
audible or not even readable. How might this be corrected, and is there a
newer radio that can fit in that slot?
Thanks
Luke Sollitt
Luke Sollitt
Space Radiation Lab
219 Downs, 220-47 Caltech
Pasadena, CA 91125
(626) 395-6634
"That road does not lead towards war, whose gate lies open to the stars"
-- Alcuin
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| Subject: | Re: e: Yak-List: |
--> Yak-List message posted by: ART <art79@cwnet.com>
I JUST RECEIVED THE DURATION DATA SHEET FROM WW2 FOR THESE A14 AND A12 REGULATORS
IN CASE ANYONE MIGHT BE INTERESTED.
SEA LEVEL............4.87
5,000................5.07
10,000.............. 3.82
15,000.............. 5.07
20,000...............6.15
25,000...............6.95
30,000...............6.57
35,000...............4.87
40,000...............4.87 ALL AT CU FT PER HR.
AT 100% OXYGEN
SEA LEVEL ...........27.82 DECREASING TO 4.87 AT 40,000.
ART
On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 12:00:07 , ART <art79@cwnet.com> sent:
>--> Yak-List message posted by: ART art79@cwnet.com>
>
>HEY BRIAN . THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT AS WELL, BUT MIGUEL, THE GUY WHO USED TO WORK
>FOR AVOX HAS THE SPEC SHEET ON THESE A14 AND A12 REGUULATORS. IT SPECIFICALLY
>STATED SEA LEVEL, 5,000 , 10,000 AND ON UP ALL AT 5 CU FT PER HOUR AND ACTUALLY
>DECREASING UNTIL IT SWITCHED TO PRESSURE FEED. BUT ACTUALLUY I ALSO INSTALLED
THIS
>SYSTEM SO I COULD FLY AT HIGHER ALTITUDES ON LONG TRIPS AND MABY CATCH A TAIL
WIND
>ONCE IN A WHILE IF THERE WAS ONE. ALSO FOR NIGHT FLIGHT. INCIDENTIALLY I DON'T
>REALLY SEE ANY CO AT CRUISE IN MY COCKPIT. ART
>
>
>On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 09:18 , Brian Lloyd brian-yak@lloyd.com> sent:
>
>>--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd brian-yak@lloyd.com>
>>
>>
>>ART wrote:
>>> --> Yak-List message posted by: ART art79@cwnet.com>
>>>
>>> I JUST INSTALLED A REBUILT AND UPGRADED A14 OXYGEN REGULATOR IDENTICAL TO THE
>ONES
>>> USED IN WW2 AIRCRAFT.
>>
>>If I recall correctly, this is a diluter-demand regulator. It dilutes the O2
>>with ambient air in the proper proportion up to about 30K feet when it goes
>>over to 100%. This means at low altitude you are breathing almost 100% ambient
>>air. You are not going to solve the CO problem that way.
>>
>>--
>>Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
>>brian-yak@lloyd.com Folsom, CA 95630
>>+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
>>
>>I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
>>- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
>>
>>
>
>
>---- Msg sent via CWNet - http://www.cwnet.com/
>
>
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| Subject: | New Yak-52 Artwork |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Timothy Gagnon <NiftyYak50@msn.com>
Folks,
This guy has been busy and has offered up a rough idea of what the Yak-52
art will look like. I think he did a pretty good job already!!
Let me know what you guys think??
Tim
http://image60.webshots.com/160/0/3/65/449700365itnova_fs.jpg
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| Subject: | Re: New Yak-52 Artwork |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jerome van der Schaar" <jvds30@hotmail.com>
What about our painter?
He is making paintings of your image's.
http://www.yakkes.com/shop/painting.jpg
Jerome
www.yakkes.com
-------Original Message-------
From: Timothy Gagnon
Subject: Yak-List: New Yak-52 Artwork
--> Yak-List message posted by: Timothy Gagnon <NiftyYak50@msn.com>
Folks,
This guy has been busy and has offered up a rough idea of what the Yak-52
art will look like. I think he did a pretty good job already!!
Let me know what you guys think??
Tim
http://image60.webshots.com/160/0/3/65/449700365itnova_fs.jpg
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| Subject: | New Yak-52 Artwork |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Looks good. If I send him a side view of my YAK can he do one in my paint
scheme? (For me personally).
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: Timothy Gagnon <NiftyYak50@msn.com>
> To: <Yak-List@matronics.com>
> Date: 9/12/2005 4:35:36 PM
> Subject: Yak-List: New Yak-52 Artwork
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Timothy Gagnon <NiftyYak50@msn.com>
>
> Folks,
>
> This guy has been busy and has offered up a rough idea of what the Yak-52
> art will look like. I think he did a pretty good job already!!
>
> Let me know what you guys think??
>
> Tim
>
> http://image60.webshots.com/160/0/3/65/449700365itnova_fs.jpg
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: "O2" Systems |
--> Yak-List message posted by: fish@aviation-tech.com
Rick B,
There is a differance in Oxygen!
1. ABO has mosture removed (to prevent freezing)
2. Medical and ABO have to have cleaned fittings and area sanitized prior
to filling. Medical has moisture in it to help prevent dehydryating, one of
the problems encountered with breathing ABO for prolonged periods.
3. Industrial is the lowest quality, with little or no control.
All my tanks for breathing come marked ABO. If you are going to use compressed
air, be sure to get it filled with breathing (SCUBA or equilivent; Filtered
and checked air), or you could find yourself very sick or dead! ! ! !
Most compressed air is not safe to breath and and can even be deadly!
Fly Safe
John Fischer
>--> Yak-List message posted by: "Richard Basiliere" <BasiliereR@ci.boulder.co.us>
>
>Just an FYI and not to get things started...
>
>ABO is the same as Medical is the same as Industrial (welding). I
>called Air Liquide, years ago, and they sent me their standards
>printout. The standards vary but Air Liquide produces their O2 to the
>highest standard (Industrial - go figure) and delivers that to
>everyone.
>
>Rick b
>
>>>> fish@aviation-tech.com 9/12/2005 9:15:55 AM >>>
>
>--> Yak-List message posted by: fish@aviation-tech.com
>
>Mr Linebaugh,
>
>If you are primarly flying out of the same field, and do the servicing
>yourself,
>ABO (Aviators Breathing Oxygen) will cost about the same as compressed
>air.
>
>
>Last year for the CJAA fly-in at Mojave, CA; my cost for N2 and O2 for
>all aircraft
>(we did not use all the gases that were purchased) was les than $50.00.
>I beleive
>we had 10-12 aircraft at the event, although all aircraft did require
>servicing.
>
>
>In two weeks we will be having the same fly-in and I will report back
>on the
>cost of gasses to cover the event.
>
>Getting back to subject, ABO has other advantages also:
>1. If you want to fly over 10K feet, you need O2
>2. FAA recomends using O2 at night (helps with W/vision).
>
>There are some disadvantages also, which Doc has mentioned in a
>different post
>already. But in my opinion the advantages outweigh the disadvantages.
>
>I will probably install an oxygen system in my aircraft eventually
>anyway as
>it is need to perform hicap on rescue missions for the CAP. I have been
>on several
>missions where no aircraft had O2 and staying in contact with rescue
>aircraft
>was a problem.
>
>Fly Safe
>John Fischer
>Yak-52, N123YA
>California City, CA
>
>
>>--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jeff Linebaugh"
><jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net>
>
>>
>>Folks...just an idea....
>>
>>What we really want is breathable air to avoid the CO problem.
>Question.do
>
>>we really need "aviators O2"?
>>
>>Firefighters use straight compressed air as their source of breathable
>air.
>
>>Assuming that we are staying at lower altitudes, and not trying to
>fight
>>hypoxia, wouldn't compressed air work?
>>
>>Just about all of us have sources for compressed air...be it a scuba
>bottle,
>
>>with schrader fittings, or something resembling the fire fighters set
>up.
>>Would it not be possible to just put in a scuba bottle and use that as
>a
>>source of air to a mask? Sure would be a heck of a lot cheaper than
>using
>
>>aviators O2"....if it is good enough to fight a fire with would it be
>good
>
>>enough to fly with?
>>
>>
>>Jeff Linebaugh
>>jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net
>>CJ-6P N621CJ
>>Memphis, TN
>>
>>
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Timothy Gagnon <NiftyYak50@msn.com>
Doc,
That is exactly what he will do. He really strives for a personal touch and
it will be YOUR airplane when he is done. He just needs some good photos and
it wont take long to get the end product back Drop him a line for the
details.
Barry Munden barry@spanishcastle.com
Did that link work ok?
http://community.webshots.com/user/junglejett
Cheers,
Tim
Yak-50
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Steven A Johnson" <sajdds@comcast.net>
Does anyone have current contact information for Sergei Boriak?
Steve
Yak 52
N9900X
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| Subject: | Re: "O2" Systems |
--> Yak-List message posted by: DaBear <dabear@damned.org>
Actually if moisture is required, medical O2 is typically run through
water between the bottle and the patient. It has as little moisture as
possible.
DaBear
fish@aviation-tech.com wrote:
>--> Yak-List message posted by: fish@aviation-tech.com
>
>Rick B,
>
>There is a differance in Oxygen!
> 1. ABO has mosture removed (to prevent freezing)
>
> 2. Medical and ABO have to have cleaned fittings and area sanitized prior
>to filling. Medical has moisture in it to help prevent dehydryating, one of
>the problems encountered with breathing ABO for prolonged periods.
>
> 3. Industrial is the lowest quality, with little or no control.
>
>All my tanks for breathing come marked ABO. If you are going to use compressed
>air, be sure to get it filled with breathing (SCUBA or equilivent; Filtered
>and checked air), or you could find yourself very sick or dead! ! ! !
>
>Most compressed air is not safe to breath and and can even be deadly!
>
>Fly Safe
>John Fischer
>
>
>
>
>>--> Yak-List message posted by: "Richard Basiliere" <BasiliereR@ci.boulder.co.us>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Yak 52 Gyro compass |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Steven A Johnson" <sajdds@comcast.net>
Group
I am having trouble with my gyro compass and would appreciate some help.
The unit operates correctly in the free mode. In the slaved mode it
consistently indicates 25 degrees off of the magnetic compass. Rotating
the latitude dial has no effect on heading. It appears the internal
magnetic compass is working but the latitude adjustment is not. How do I
fix this, other than moving to a location where it is properly aligned?
Steve
Yak 52
N9900X
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Tim,
Will do and yes, the link worked fine. How big of a print does he do?
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: Timothy Gagnon <NiftyYak50@msn.com>
> To: <Yak-List@matronics.com>
> Date: 9/12/2005 6:32:56 PM
> Subject: Yak-List: Yak-50-52 Art
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Timothy Gagnon <NiftyYak50@msn.com>
>
> Doc,
>
> That is exactly what he will do. He really strives for a personal touch
and
> it will be YOUR airplane when he is done. He just needs some good photos
and
> it wont take long to get the end product back Drop him a line for the
> details.
>
> Barry Munden barry@spanishcastle.com
>
> Did that link work ok?
>
> http://community.webshots.com/user/junglejett
>
> Cheers,
>
> Tim
> Yak-50
>
>
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| Subject: | The Official IAR-823 Website |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Yakkers;
Every now and again I get a request for a link to a website of interest
to yakkers.
The most recent addition is a link for the OFFICIAL IAR-823 WEBSITE.
Here's the link.... http://www.iar823.com/
Enjoy
Frank
N9110M
YAK-52
L71
http://home.earthlink.net/~yak52driver
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| Subject: | Re: The Official IAR-823 Website |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
A link is also on my web site.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Subject: Yak-List: The Official IAR-823 Website
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
> <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
>
> Yakkers;
>
> Every now and again I get a request for a link to a website of interest
> to yakkers.
>
> The most recent addition is a link for the OFFICIAL IAR-823 WEBSITE.
>
> Here's the link.... http://www.iar823.com/
>
> Enjoy
> Frank
> N9110M
> YAK-52
> L71
> http://home.earthlink.net/~yak52driver
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Sergei Boriak |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Stephen Fox <jsfox@adelphia.net>
Steve - Here you go:
email: s_boriak@yahoo.com
phone: 703-319-2028
Cell:703-216-0991
Steve "SOB" Fox
Yak 52
N3043R
http://homepage.mac.com/steve.fox/PhotoAlbum5.html
On Sep 12, 2005, at 9:25 PM, Steven A Johnson wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Steven A Johnson"
> <sajdds@comcast.net>
>
> Does anyone have current contact information for Sergei Boriak?
>
> Steve
> Yak 52
> N9900X
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Paul Blakely <jpblake@yahoo.com>
Roger is right diluting the CO with O2 systems is not
a practical solution.
Nasal Cannula O2 or Air probably will not make much
difference in Cockpit Carbon monoxide exposure, In
order for this technique to work you will probably
need a full face mask with reservoir bag and high
flows of 10 to 15 liters. The high flows required will
make this technique expensive since you probably will
blow through a 625 liter E cylinder in an hour.
Decreasing the flows to less than 10 liters will cause
rebreathing of cockpit air containing the CO you are
trying to avoid.
Carbon monoxide is so deadly because of its 200 to 300
times greater affinity for the hemoglobin molecule.
Carbon monoxide disassociates slowly from the
hemoglobin molecule taking 2-4 hours. While 100
percent O2 is the treatment of CO poisoning it is most
effective in the form of hyperbaric O2. That is why
harmful CO level are measured in parts per million.
A nasal cannula may work great at raising O2 partial
pressure at altitudes in the high teen and twenties,
the maximum percent O2 (FIO2) delivered by of a nasal
cannula at a 6 liter flow is less than 50% which means
that half of what you breathe when wearing a nasal
cannula will be cockpit air. A 6 liter flow is higher
than most people will tolerate your system probably
will suggest 2-3 liter flows which will provide only
30% to 35% percent O2 and 65% to 70% cockpit Air.
A CO scrubber system might be more practical than to
carrying huge compressed air cylinders, for the same
reasons it would probably be expensive and require an
air pump or fan to force 10+ liters through the
scrubber and to overcome system resistance, since you
will require a 10 liter flow at the mask to prevent
rebreathing cockpit air.
Why not put NASA vent and an electric air pump in one
of the wing tips or other outer wing panel location
and run a line into the cockpit and hook it to your
full face mask, that would probably be a whole lot
cheaper and easier than scrubbing cockpit air?
Paul
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| Subject: | The Official IAR-823 Website |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Frank,
Besides the IAR-823 being a side by side pseudo 4 place, aerobatic,
Lycoming 540 powered, seagull canopy doors Romanian built airplane that
cruises at 140kts with its feet folded up, and has 80 gal of fuel with the
ability to add 2 18 gal drop tanks, what's the big deal about an IAR-823?
Oh, I just said it, huh? And I forgot, it is in the experimental show
catagory too. I forgot again, it's cheap to buy too!
Steve Beaver, ya gotta love that add, huh!?
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: Frank Haertlein <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 9/12/2005 9:18:27 PM
> Subject: Yak-List: The Official IAR-823 Website
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
<yak52driver@earthlink.net>
>
> Yakkers;
>
> Every now and again I get a request for a link to a website of interest
> to yakkers.
>
> The most recent addition is a link for the OFFICIAL IAR-823 WEBSITE.
>
> Here's the link.... http://www.iar823.com/
>
> Enjoy
> Frank
> N9110M
> YAK-52
> L71
> http://home.earthlink.net/~yak52driver
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: The Official IAR-823 Website |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
So, Dennis, When is Steve bringing that IAR down for me to drool over
anyway?
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 9/12/2005 9:29:18 PM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: The Official IAR-823 Website
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese"
<dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
>
> A link is also on my web site.
> Dennis
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: The Official IAR-823 Website
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
> > <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
> >
> > Yakkers;
> >
> > Every now and again I get a request for a link to a website of interest
> > to yakkers.
> >
> > The most recent addition is a link for the OFFICIAL IAR-823 WEBSITE.
> >
> > Here's the link.... http://www.iar823.com/
> >
> > Enjoy
> > Frank
> > N9110M
> > YAK-52
> > L71
> > http://home.earthlink.net/~yak52driver
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Oxygen drawn from same tanks/source |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Bryan, Yakkers
Just an FYI.
Hospital grade breathing air purchased at gas suppliers is drawn from
the same tanks as regular compressed air. The difference in price
between the two is that hospital grade breathing air has traceability
requirements. There has to be a paperwork trail in place in case the air
you buy is tainted. In fact, if gas suppliers are following the law,
they can't even sell you hospital grade breathing air as a private
individual.
I assume the same is true for oxygen. Hospital grade oxygen, aviators
grade oxygen and welder's oxygen are all, probly, drawn from the same
source but each has a different traceability requirement resulting in a
difference in price. You'd think that with computer technology this
price difference would be minimized....... But, alas, there is money to
be made by suggesting a difference between the grades of breathing air
and oxygen.
Still, in ordering some gasses for my work, empirical evidence has shown
that you don't always get what you think you're getting.
Caveat Emptor
Frank
YAK-52
N9110M
L71
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| Subject: | New Yak-52 Artwork |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Tim
It looks pritty good. Only problem is that the whole plane is YELLOW!
Regards
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Timothy Gagnon
Subject: Yak-List: New Yak-52 Artwork
--> Yak-List message posted by: Timothy Gagnon <NiftyYak50@msn.com>
Folks,
This guy has been busy and has offered up a rough idea of what the
Yak-52 art will look like. I think he did a pretty good job already!!
Let me know what you guys think??
Tim
http://image60.webshots.com/160/0/3/65/449700365itnova_fs.jpg
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| Subject: | Re: The Official IAR-823 Website |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
End of October, I think.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: The Official IAR-823 Website
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>
> So, Dennis, When is Steve bringing that IAR down for me to drool over
> anyway?
> Doc
>
>
>> [Original Message]
>> From: A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
>> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
>> Date: 9/12/2005 9:29:18 PM
>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: The Official IAR-823 Website
>>
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese"
> <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
>>
>> A link is also on my web site.
>> Dennis
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
>> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: Yak-List: The Official IAR-823 Website
>>
>>
>> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
>> > <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
>> >
>> > Yakkers;
>> >
>> > Every now and again I get a request for a link to a website of interest
>> > to yakkers.
>> >
>> > The most recent addition is a link for the OFFICIAL IAR-823 WEBSITE.
>> >
>> > Here's the link.... http://www.iar823.com/
>> >
>> > Enjoy
>> > Frank
>> > N9110M
>> > YAK-52
>> > L71
>> > http://home.earthlink.net/~yak52driver
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: "O2" Systems |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
fish@aviation-tech.com wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: fish@aviation-tech.com
>
> Rick B,
>
> There is a differance in Oxygen!
> 1. ABO has mosture removed (to prevent freezing)
Old wives tale. All O2 has moisture removed. All O2 comes from the same source.
> 2. Medical and ABO have to have cleaned fittings and area sanitized prior
> to filling.
Any dirt or grease is likely to explode in the high-pressure O2 environment.
All fittings must be degreased to prevent damage.
I have never seen an O2 fitting "sanitized" before getting the bottle filled.
> Medical has moisture in it to help prevent dehydryating, one of
> the problems encountered with breathing ABO for prolonged periods.
Old wives tale. No moisture is added to O2. If it were it would cause rapid
destruction of the bottle due to accelerated corrosion from the high-pressure
O2 environment.
> 3. Industrial is the lowest quality, with little or no control.
Old wives tale. Not true.
But don't believe me. See:
http://www.mhoxygen.com/index.phtml?nav_id=25&article_id=18
From that article:
"Contrary to a common myth, there are no different grades of oxygen being
produced or contained in cylinders maintained under DOT regulations. In
addition, oxygen for medical use does not have any more moisture than oxygen
for any other purposes. Furthermore, because of the chemical nature of oxygen
it must be as pure and dry as possible if stored under pressure or else the
cylinder and equipment may be damaged, or worse, personal injury or death may
occur."
"By the very nature of the state-of-the-art process commonly used by
compressed plants today, oxygen produced for any purpose will be better than
99.99% pure. In other words, it all originally comes from the same spout. What
happens thereafter is why there is a set of hygiene protocols detailing the
handling, inspection and transportation of oxygen to ensure purity at the
destination. No doubt these protocols may be the cause of the oxygen grade
misconception in the compressed gas industry. Oxygen holding the slightest
amount of water moisture may cause the cylinder holding it to rust or corrode
at an accelerated rate. The confusion may have stemmed from the fact that
there are various grades of air mixtures. Some air mixture protocols may allow
higher amounts of water moisture to be present. This also may have helped
cause the misconception that there are different grades of oxygen. This
misconception is so wide-spread that some aircraft manuals and flight training
manuals, tell pilots not to use 'MEDICAL' oxygen because the moisture will
freeze the lines and/or equipment. Additionally, not to use welders oxygen
because it contains impurities that may harm or kill you. This is FALSE!,
unless the latter has been tampered with. Ask for AVO, or else the FDA may
freeze your plans, and not from any moisture."
> All my tanks for breathing come marked ABO.
Sure they do but that doesn't mean you can't fill them some other way.
--
Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
brian-yak@lloyd.com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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