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1. 04:28 AM - Re: Russian and Chinese aircraft Maintenance BBS (Fraser, Gus)
2. 04:49 AM - Re: Weight and balance (cjpilot710@aol.com)
3. 04:52 AM - Re: Reno (Cpayne)
4. 05:57 AM - Propagation of Service Bulletins etc (Richard Goode)
5. 06:03 AM - Re: Re: Reno (Roger Kemp)
6. 06:48 AM - Re: Propagation of Service Bulletins etc (Fraser, Gus)
7. 06:47 PM - Airbus (Ernest Martinez)
8. 11:53 PM - Re: Airbus (Roger Kemp)
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| Subject: | Russian and Chinese aircraft Maintenance BBS |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Fraser, Gus" <gus.fraser@gs.com>
My point still stands how would people have known about this issue with the
Yak 54, as an example. This issue is almost 12 months old. Please don't tell
me that we wait until we loose an aircraft and maybe a pilot !
This is a conscience thing. I will maintain the list as I find out about
things If someone then goes and makes a big smoking hole in the ground so be
it I tried to do my part. I will , stupidly, by your description, continue
in my fruitless task. In fact you can upload images give me a break I put it
up in two hours yesterday.
When I get a mind to I will collect recent items of substance and post them
back here, as I have said. That way the old stick in the muds can still
benefit from the information.
As for the different categories, that is what the suggestions is for.
Really owning one of these aircraft and trying to help the 'community' is
sometimes worse than having your teeth pulled, ever see that film Grumpy old
men ?. Sometimes I think that I should just go and buy an Extra but then I
start the engine and it all makes sense.
BTW my SP-91 is at the Nationals in Texas, BTW it is also for sale :) . My
coach is flying in advanced so best of luck to him.
Gus
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frank Haertlein
Subject: Yak-List: Russian and Chinese aircraft Maintenance BBS
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
--> <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Gus
The Russian and Chinese aircraft Maintenance BBS
(http://www.notasukhoi.com/yabbse/index.php) is the kind of forum that has
been so vehemently rejected by YAK-LIST participants in the past. RedStars
tried to create the same kind of BBS. I think their success has faltered
because of the "CATEGORY" selections they put forth. In other words, it's
"do or die" important as a BBS creator in choosing the right categories for
user's to post to.... too many categories divides the group and the BBS will
subsequently fail......guaranteed! The success of the YAK-LIST resides in
the fact that all posts are seen by all!
Too many categories on your BBS and in a sense you're fracturing the group.
The BBS creator must resist the urge to over categorize.... the SMALLER the
number of categories the better!!
I have attempted to spur and promote the success of RedStarsBBS with a link
to their forum on http://home.earthlink.net/~yak52driver but I see it is
still languishing with few participants.
Humor me for a moment and allow me to illustrate the following example....
On your BBS you have chosen the following categories....
1. M14P Issues regarding M14P engines in all the HP configurations.
Moderator: Gus Fraser
2. Housai 285HP Discussions of the basic Chinese engine. Moderator: Gus
Fraser
3. Ivchenko AI-25-TL Engine as fitted to the L-39. Moderator: Gus Fraser
4. Airframe specific issues. Yak 52 & 50 airframe and systems specific
issues. Moderator: Gus Fraser
5. CJ airframe issues: Moderator: Gus Fraser
6. Yak 55, 55M & 54: Issues of the very aerobatic Yak types. Moderator: Gus
Fraser
7. L-39/29: L-39/29 tech issues: Moderator: Gus Fraser 0 N/A
8. Interavia/Technoavia issues: SP-91 I-3 E-3 tech issues. Moderator: Gus
Fraser
7. Sukhoi issues: Issues pertaining to SU-xx types: Please start subject by
type designation. Moderator: Gus Fraser.
8. Propellers: RUSSIAN V530TA-D35 PROPELLER. Moderator: Gus Fraser
9. What would you like to see. Moderator: Gus Fraser
10. Shoot the Sh!t. Totally anything you like no restrictions. Moderator:
Gus Fraser
For one, I personally, don't want to have to search thru all this horseshit
to get usefull and good information. The better way to do it is to have one
category link...say "YAK AIRCRAFT" and then let the people who post choose
the subject of the heading instead of you choosing to "categorize them" like
with above categories. It's kind of like downloading your email for the day
and looking at the subject headings. If it interests you, you open the
email...if it don't you delete it or pass it by. That way a person who
clicks on your BBS link is offered up a selection of posts with headings
created by the person who has posted......not the narrowly defined
catregories created by the BBS creator. You might even make post forwarding
a part of the BBS...just like the YAK-LIST. Each post would thus generate an
email to all BBS participants with emphasis on the "SUBJECT" heading of ther
post.
I have witnessed the birth and death of quite a few of these BBS's. The real
value of these type BBS's is that posts are maintained in an online,
searchable database. A list server like the YAK-LIST does the same thing
but, alas, it's more difficult to navigate their historical database because
the searched links are based on a pattern of email responses rather than a
grouping or categorization as to subject material or heading. In other
words, a BBS is much better for our type of forum. Only problem is getting
current YAK-LIST participants to accept a better way of doing things. Some
people are just set in their ways. It's hard to beat the simplicity of
openning your email program and being presented with the posts of the day!
Another word.... If you are going to maintain a database of maintenance
issues you need to provide some kind of mechanism for uploading pictures to
the BBS. For example, I have a number of items that might go in what you
would categorize as the "Maintenance" or "Airworthyness" category (but
please, don't create these categories...keep it simple...let the posters do
it!). But any maintenece or airwothyness posts would loose their impact,
appeal and usefulness without pictures detailing whatever mod or observation
that has been made.
Good luck.
Frank
YAK52
N9110M
L71
PS...I'll be linking your site http://www.notasukhoi.com/yabbse/index.php on
the Yak Links Page at http://home.earthlink.net/~yak52driver. It's not much,
I know, but maybe it might help to get your site moving. I think it will be
of benefit to the YAK community if it takes off.
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| Subject: | Re: Weight and balance |
--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
In a message dated 9/21/2005 2:35:53 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
joeh@shaw.ca writes:
--> Yak-List message posted by: JOE <joeh@shaw.ca>
Has anyone been able to duplicate the Chinese empty weight CofG with the
M14 conversion on the CJ.
Without adding huge amounts of ballast in the tail cone?
Joe
++++++++++++++++
Joe,
This is pretty difficult to do. The M-14 is 70lbs heavier I believe. If
you have removed all those Chinese radios from behind the back seat (that was
186 lbs in my case) this is where your major shift of weight came.
You can reduce the amount of ballast you need by switching over to an B&C
alternator.
Some guys have made major alteration by moving the battery farther back.
Not a KISS solution for some.
Some have stuck in another air bottle for back up.
I have my ballast (lead BB shot) in a bag in the tail cone. This allows
easy adjustments when I remove stuff up front.
I realized a increase in payload of about 133 lbs even with my ballast in.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Cpayne <cpayne@joimail.com>
Barry asks:
>...hey Craig, any chance we can get
>CJ's around a course in the 220-230 category?
>
>
Well...., someday. Right now perhaps the 205-215 mph category with a 360.
However: the CJ (and Yak 50?) could do that on the short Formula 1 course. That
could
be more entertaining than watching T-6's drive around their 6 mile course. Watching
them reminds me of the Walt Disney sequence "Waltz of the Hippos".
One problem we can't beat: Yaks/CJ's don't make enough noise to be crowd pleasers.
Craig Payne
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| Subject: | Propagation of Service Bulletins etc |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Richard Goode" <richard.goode@russianaeros.com>
I think Gus Fraser is taking a valuable stand.
The real problem is to differentiate between safety related 'ideas' (often good)
that people have, and formal factory Service Bulletins.
Obviously for aircraft they consider obsolete like Yak-50/52/55, Yakovlev are not
(I believe) issuing more Service Bulletins.
On the other hand the Yak-54 is a fully certificated aircraft to Western norms.
As such Yakovlev have a formal responsibility to issue Service Bulletins.
To this end I have written to Dimitry Dratch to ask him what he is doing about
this, and what he is doing to make sure this is propagated in the West.
I can say that we have a similar problem with Sukhoi, who discuss technical problems,
but by and large don't issue Service Bulletins.
Richard Goode
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Herefordshire
HR5 3LW
United Kingdom
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Mob: +44 (0) 7768 610389
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
"Waltz of the Hippos".
Ya gotta like Craig...calling a spade a spade.
Doc
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| Subject: | Propagation of Service Bulletins etc |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Fraser, Gus" <gus.fraser@gs.com>
Thanks Richard.
Regarding the 54 issue I have uploaded the image of the problem see
http://www.notasukhoi.com/sme/index.php?topic=17.0
Gus
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Goode
Subject: Yak-List: Propagation of Service Bulletins etc
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Richard Goode"
--> <richard.goode@russianaeros.com>
I think Gus Fraser is taking a valuable stand.
The real problem is to differentiate between safety related 'ideas' (often
good) that people have, and formal factory Service Bulletins.
Obviously for aircraft they consider obsolete like Yak-50/52/55, Yakovlev
are not (I believe) issuing more Service Bulletins.
On the other hand the Yak-54 is a fully certificated aircraft to Western
norms. As such Yakovlev have a formal responsibility to issue Service
Bulletins.
To this end I have written to Dimitry Dratch to ask him what he is doing
about this, and what he is doing to make sure this is propagated in the
West.
I can say that we have a similar problem with Sukhoi, who discuss technical
problems, but by and large don't issue Service Bulletins.
Richard Goode
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Herefordshire
HR5 3LW
United Kingdom
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Mob: +44 (0) 7768 610389
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
dangerous content by the http://www.invictawiz.com MailScanner, and is
believed to be clean.
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
Does the nose gear on an Airbus articulate???
What a landing!!!
Ernie
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
This one did! Agree, that "Buss Driver" done GOOD! Tell the Jet Blue
management that their pilots deserve a RAISE! That's not freight they are
haling!
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 9/21/2005 8:46:43 PM
> Subject: Yak-List: Airbus
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
>
> Does the nose gear on an Airbus articulate???
>
> What a landing!!!
>
> Ernie
>
>
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