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1. 05:49 AM - Re: Tom Johnson (n4829t@AOL.COM)
2. 06:38 AM - Re: Need Tires (cjpilot710@AOL.COM)
3. 07:07 AM - Re: Need Tires (cjpilot710@AOL.COM)
4. 07:11 AM - Need Tires....Desser Re-Caps will solve your problems (Mark Schrick)
5. 07:26 AM - Re: Need Tires (ANDREWS)
6. 07:34 AM - Re: Need Tires (Ernest Martinez)
7. 07:44 AM - FW: Roy Skelton sent you a page (Doug Sapp)
8. 07:55 AM - Les Crowder spinner WANTED please help me find one!!!! (Mark Schrick)
9. 08:10 AM - Re: Need Tires (DaBear)
10. 08:21 AM - Re: Need Tires (Brian Lloyd)
11. 08:23 AM - spelling (Jay Land)
12. 08:43 AM - Re: Need Tires (Ernest Martinez)
13. 08:47 AM - Re: spelling (ANDREWS)
14. 08:51 AM - Re: Need Tires (Ernest Martinez)
15. 08:59 AM - Re: Need Tires (ANDREWS)
16. 09:16 AM - Re: Need Tires (Brian Lloyd)
17. 09:46 AM - Re: Need Tires (Cliff Umscheid)
18. 10:56 AM - Nose gear Actuator for CJ6 (DaBear)
19. 12:09 PM - Re: Need Tires (Roger Kemp)
20. 12:11 PM - Re: Need Tires (Roger Kemp)
21. 12:36 PM - Re: spelling (Roger Kemp)
22. 12:38 PM - Exhaust tip Survey (Craig Payne)
23. 03:47 PM - Re: Exhaust tip Survey (Walter Lannon)
24. 04:40 PM - Re: Exhaust tip Survey (Rob Mortara)
25. 04:51 PM - Re: Nose gear Actuator for CJ6 (Jim and Vivian)
26. 07:18 PM - Re: Exhaust tip Survey (cjpilot710@AOL.COM)
27. 08:33 PM - Re: Exhaust tip Survey (Roger Kemp)
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| Subject: | Re: e: Yak-List:Tom Johnson |
--> Yak-List message posted by: n4829t@aol.com
Thanks guys!
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Kirk <pilot8kcab@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List:Tom Johnson
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Scott Kirk" <pilot8kcab@hotmail.com>
Jim,
Try www.airpowerinsurance.com
or
Thomas Johnson
Airpower Insurance, LLC
36 West Ocotillo Road
Phoenix, AZ 85013-1235
Tel: 602-628-2701
Fax: 623-321-5843
E: tomjohnson@cox.net
Regards,
Scott Kirk
----Original Message Follows----
From: n4829t@aol.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List:Tom Johnson
--> Yak-List message posted by: n4829t@aol.com
....Anybody have Tom Johnsons new phone number?
Regards,
Jim "launch Pad" Plumlee
-----Original Message-----
From: Royden Heays <heaysr@telus.net>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Starter Solenoid Valve help
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Royden Heays" <heaysr@telus.net>
Hello Ron,
Many locations within the system can be the culprit. On my 55M it first was
the air pressure gauge internals. I got that fixed by replacing the gauge,
then it seems I over tightened the gauge to airline fitting and that became
a point of leakage. I have a Swagelock air pressure relief valve that
replaces the Rusian blow off valve. That is also a source of leakage when
the valve gets gummed up or does not seat properly. That is fixed with a
teardown and clean-up; all too frequently.
I have also had to teardown and cleanup the not return valve as it was not
seating properly after getting gummed up. That was another source of
leakage.
My attempts to locate these leakage points were unsuccessful with soapy
water.
It would try all these areas before going after the starter solenoid as they
are easier to get at and cost nothing.
Regards,
Royden
C-GRED
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Spencer
Subject: Yak-List: Starter Solenoid Valve help
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Spencer"
--> <splitimage.wing@verizon.net>
I have a Yak55M and have noticed a slow leak in the air system pressure,
(unless the compressor is selected on)...however, as soon as the compressor
is turned off the systems slowly...bleeds down 10 psi each 20-30 sec. After
soap bubbling the thing to death, to no avail, tried isolating parts of the
system.
It appears, that the starter solenoid vlave is not fully seated or closing,
thus allowing air to escape.
My two questions are this...
My mech is unsure (with out damaging) how to dis-assemble the "top part" or
"stem". Therefore does anybody know how to do this?
He describes this as the "Stem with "o" ring, leather ring at base, which
bolts into the valve block. He is specifically interested in the coil which
piggy backs reference the 19mm bolt. Not being a maint type I can only
relay!
The second question is...where can I buy a complete new starter solenoid
valve?
Thanks in advance, -rs-
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--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
In a message dated 9/29/2005 2:42:41 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
ggg6@att.net writes:
Hay guys, Cool it. Lots of things can effect the wear of tires. Hard
surface will eat any tire more so than grass by far. Landing technique ( dare
I
say poor ) will take rubber off. Excessive use of brakes will effect wear.
Worse case scenario is landing to fast, hard, with drift, and your squeezing
the brake handle. But that's TW101 "Tire Ware 101".
The only way to compare these two tires FARILY is subject them to the same
conditions and importantly the same cycles. I don't know of anyone who has
done that. Yes you can compare what has happened on you airplane BUT only if
your mod of operation didn't change and every landing was exactly the same.
Personally I've had a little better ware with Desser BUT their tubes stink
in the way they set the valve stem. However if the price was right I'd buy a
Russian tire. I operate off a grass strip and about half my takeoffs and
landings are on pavement.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
--> Yak-List message posted by: ggg6@att.net
Thank You Mr.Haertlein, I always appreciate being called a "LIAR", and for
You information, I bought the same tire from Desser that anyone can buy
today.. So YOU can take Your trash and STICK IT WHERE THE SUN DON"T SHINE!!!!
Need Isay more??? Gary Gabbard
-------------- Original message from "Frank Haertlein"
<yak52driver@earthlink.net>: --------------
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
>
> From practical experience I am but forced to conclude you have other than
> standard Desser tires or, and it pains me to say it, you are full of bull.
> Frank
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ggg6@att.net
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Need Tires
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: ggg6@att.net
>
> Interesting: I have over 400 hours on my Desser Tires, and they have a lot
> of tread left... Gary G.
>
> -------------- Original message from "Frank Haertlein"
> : --------------
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
> >
> > Jill
> > Do you have any more of the Russian tires for my 52? I'd like to order
two
>
> > complete sets as the Russian ones I got from you are still going strong
> and
> > lasting two-three times as long as the Desser tires.
> >
> > Let's face it guys, the Desser tires are way to friggin' soft and wear
> > out
> > too friggin fast. Let's give our bidness to the Russians...........
> >
> > HMMMMMM? I got 65,000 miles on my automotive tires and their still
> > going
> > strong. I got maybe 40-50 landings on my old Desser tires and their
> history.
> >
> >
> > Trust me...the formulation of Desser rubber sucks!
> >
> > Thanks
> > Frank
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> Interesting: I have over 400 hours on my Desser Tires, and they have a lot
> of tread left... Gary G.
>
> -------------- Original message from "Frank Haertlein"
> yak52driver@earthlink.net: --------------
>
>
> -- Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
>
>
> Jill
> Do you have any more of the Russian tires for my 52? I'd like to order two
> complete sets as the Russian ones I got from you are still going strong
and
>
> lasting two-three times as long as the Desser tires.
>
> Let's face it guys, the Desser tires are way to friggin' soft and wear out
> too friggin fast. Let's give our bidness to the Russians...........
>
> HMMMMMM? I got 65,000 miles on my automotive tires and their still going
> strong. I got maybe 40-50 landings on my old Desser tires and their
> history.
>
>
> Trust me...the formulation of Desser rubber sucks!
>
> Tha
> nks
> Frank
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Thank You Mr.Haertlein, I always appreciate being called a "LIAR", and for
You information, I bought the same tire from Desser that anyone can buy
today.. So YOU can take Your trash and STICK IT WHERE THE SUN DON"T SHINE!!!!
Need
Isay more??? Gary Gabbard
-------------- Original message from "Frank Haertlein"
yak52driver@earthlink.net: --------------
-- Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <YAK52DRIVER@EARTHLINK.NET>
From practical experience I am but forced to conclude you have other than
standard Desser tires or, and it pains me to say it, you are full of bull.
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ggg6@att.net
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Need Tires
-- Yak-List message posted by: ggg6@att.net
Interesting: I have over 400 hours on my Desser Tires, and they have a lot
of tread left... Gary G.
-------------- Original m
essage from "Frank Haertlein"
<YAK52DRIVER@EARTHLINK.NET>: --------------
-- Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
Jill
Do you have any more of the Russian tires for my 52? I'd like to order two
complete sets as the Russian ones I got from you are still going strong
and
lasting two-three times as long as the Desser tires.
Let's face it guys, the Desser tires are way to friggin' soft and wear
out
too friggin fast. Let's give our bidness to the Russians...........
HMMMMMM? I got 65,000 miles on my automotive tires and their still
going
strong. I got maybe 40-50 landings on my old Desser tires and their
history.
Trust me...the formulation of Desser rubber sucks!
<BR
> Thanks
Frank
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Interesting: I have over 400 hours on my Desser Tires, and they have a lot
of tread left... Gary G.
-------------- Original message from "Frank Haertlein"
yak52driver@earthlink.net: --------------
-- Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
<YAK52DRIVER@EARTHLINK.NET>
Jill
Do you have any more of the Russian tires for my 52? I'd like to order two
complete sets as the Russian ones I got from you are still going strong and
lasting two-three times as long as the Desser tires.
Let's face it guys, the Desser tires are way to friggin' soft and wear out
too friggin fast. Let's give our bi
dness to the Russians...........
HMMMMMM? I got 65,000 miles on my automotive tires and their still going
strong. I got maybe 40-50 landings on my old Desser tires and their
history.
Trust me...the formulation of Desser rubber sucks!
Tha
nks
Frank
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--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
In a message dated 9/29/2005 9:40:01 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
cjpilot710@aol.com writes:
A little more on tires that I forgot add.
Most tires are made in batches all made and formed from a common mix. Mess
up the ingredients of the mix just a little and you'll have different ware
for that whole batch. Of course one manufacture's mix may be better.
Also effecting a tires ware beside the ingredients is the forming process.
If temps and pressure are not right the tire will not wear the same. I would
not doubt that the manufactures have limits on their products and they go
out the door. Just how wide those limits are, is guessing by any of us.
If you guys think our tires are expensive - on B-24 and B-17 we pay $3,000
for a new tire. The only two companies in the world that make them, do so
ONLY in batches of 100. We 're-cap' our tires - they can be done only once -
about $1,500. We change tires about 4 times a year.
So you see all things are relative. I think getting up set over whether one
tire is better than another based on one's experiences is silly. There are
too variables involved.
Jim "Chirp chirp" Goolsby
Hay guys, Cool it. Lots of things can effect the wear of tires. Hard
surface will eat any tire more so than grass by far. Landing technique (
dare I
say poor ) will take rubber off. Excessive use of brakes will effect wear.
Worse case scenario is landing to fast, hard, with drift, and your
squeezing
the brake handle. But that's TW101 "Tire Ware 101".
The only way to compare these two tires FARILY is subject them to the same
conditions and importantly the same cycles. I don't know of anyone who has
done that. Yes you can compare what has happened on you airplane BUT only
if
your mod of operation didn't change and every landing was exactly the same.
Personally I've had a little better ware with Desser BUT their tubes stink
in the way they set the valve stem. However if the price was right I'd buy
a
Russian tire. I operate off a grass strip and about half my takeoffs and
landings are on pavement.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
--> Yak-List message posted by: ggg6@att.net
Thank You Mr.Haertlein, I always appreciate being called a "LIAR", and for
You information, I bought the same tire from Desser that anyone can buy
today.. So YOU can take Your trash and STICK IT WHERE THE SUN DON"T
SHINE!!!!
Need Isay more??? Gary Gabbard
-------------- Original message from "Frank Haertlein"
<yak52driver@earthlink.net>: --------------
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
>
> From practical experience I am but forced to conclude you have other than
> standard Desser tires or, and it pains me to say it, you are full of
bull.
> Frank
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ggg6@att.net
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Need Tires
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: ggg6@att.net
>
> Interesting: I have over 400 hours on my Desser Tires, and they have a
lot
> of tread left... Gary G.
>
> -------------- Original message from "Frank Haertlein"
> : --------------
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
> >
> > Jill
> > Do you have any more of the Russian tires for my 52? I'd like to order
two
>
> > complete sets as the Russian ones I got from you are still going strong
> and
> > lasting two-three times as long as the Desser tires.
> >
> > Let's face it guys, the Desser tires are way to friggin' soft and wear
> > out
> > too friggin fast. Let's give our bidness to the Russians...........
> >
> > HMMMMMM? I got 65,000 miles on my automotive tires and their still
> > going
> > strong. I got maybe 40-50 landings on my old Desser tires and their
> history.
> >
> >
> > Trust me...the formulation of Desser rubber sucks!
> >
> > Thanks
> > Frank
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> Interesting: I have over 400 hours on my Desser Tires, and they have a
lot
> of tread left... Gary G.
>
> -------------- Original message from "Frank Haertlein"
> yak52driver@earthlink.net: --------------
>
>
> -- Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
>
>
> Jill
> Do you have any more of the Russian tires for my 52? I'd like to order
two
> complete sets as the Russian ones I got from you are still going strong
and
>
> lasting two-three times as long as the Desser tires.
>
> Let's face it guys, the Desser tires are way to friggin' soft and wear
out
> too friggin fast. Let's give our bidness to the Russians...........
>
> HMMMMMM? I got 65,000 miles on my automotive tires and their still going
> strong. I got maybe 40-50 landings on my old Desser tires and their
> history.
>
>
> Trust me...the formulation of Desser rubber sucks!
>
> Tha
> nks
> Frank
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Thank You Mr.Haertlein, I always appreciate being called a "LIAR", and for
You information, I bought the same tire from Desser that anyone can buy
today.. So YOU can take Your trash and STICK IT WHERE THE SUN DON"T
SHINE!!!! Need
Isay more??? Gary Gabbard
-------------- Original message from "Frank Haertlein"
yak52driver@earthlink.net: --------------
-- Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
<YAK52DRIVER@EARTHLINK.NET>
From practical experience I am but forced to conclude you have other than
standard Desser tires or, and it pains me to say it, you are full of bull.
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ggg6@att.net
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Need Tires
-- Yak-List message posted by: ggg6@att.net
Interesting: I have over 400 hours on my Desser Tires, and they have a lot
of tread left... Gary G.
-------------- Original m
essage from "Frank Haertlein"
<YAK52DRIVER@EARTHLINK.NET>: --------------
-- Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
Jill
Do you have any more of the Russian tires for my 52? I'd like to order two
complete sets as the Russian ones I got from you are still going strong
and
lasting two-three times as long as the Desser tires.
Let's face it guys, the Desser tires are way to friggin' soft and wear
out
too friggin fast. Let's give our bidness to the Russians...........
HMMMMMM? I got 65,000 miles on my automotive tires and their still
going
strong. I got maybe 40-50 landings on my old Desser tires and their
history.
Trust me...the formulation of Desser rubber sucks!
<BR
> Thanks
Frank
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Interesting: I have over 400 hours on my Desser Tires, and they have a lot
of tread left... Gary G.
-------------- Original message from "Frank Haertlein"
yak52driver@earthlink.net: --------------
-- Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
<YAK52DRIVER@EARTHLINK.NET>
Jill
Do you have any more of the Russian tires for my 52? I'd like to order two
complete sets as the Russian ones I got from you are still going strong and
lasting two-three times as long as the Desser tires.
Let's face it guys, the Desser tires are way to friggin' soft and wear out
too friggin fast. Let's give our bi
dness to the Russians...........
HMMMMMM? I got 65,000 miles on my automotive tires and their still going
strong. I got maybe 40-50 landings on my old Desser tires and their
history.
Trust me...the formulation of Desser rubber sucks!
Tha
nks
Frank
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| Subject: | Need Tires....Desser Re-Caps will solve your problems |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Schrick" <schrick@pacbell.net>
Guys
If you are worried about tire wear then buy Dessers Re-caps, they are three
time thicker than the normal tires, cheaper for the tight budgets and they
will last over a full year of flying. The guys in Northern California that fly
a lot use them solely now due to long wear and deep tread life.
Check them out and quite bitching..........just go fly.
Mark "SHREK" Schrick
YAK DRIVER, LLC
Aerostar Dealer of (New) Yak 52TW
Fully Restored USED Yak 52's "We meet anyone's budget!!!
REDSTAR Pilot Assoc. Active member
966 Wallace Drive
San Jose, Ca 95120-1848
Hm/Fax 408-323-5150
Cell 408-391-6664
Email schrick@pacbell.net
Website www.YAKDRIVER.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cjpilot710@aol.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Need Tires
--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
In a message dated 9/29/2005 2:42:41 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
ggg6@att.net writes:
Hay guys, Cool it. Lots of things can effect the wear of tires. Hard
surface will eat any tire more so than grass by far. Landing technique (
dare I
say poor ) will take rubber off. Excessive use of brakes will effect wear.
Worse case scenario is landing to fast, hard, with drift, and your squeezing
the brake handle. But that's TW101 "Tire Ware 101".
The only way to compare these two tires FARILY is subject them to the same
conditions and importantly the same cycles. I don't know of anyone who has
done that. Yes you can compare what has happened on you airplane BUT only if
your mod of operation didn't change and every landing was exactly the same.
Personally I've had a little better ware with Desser BUT their tubes stink
in the way they set the valve stem. However if the price was right I'd buy a
Russian tire. I operate off a grass strip and about half my takeoffs and
landings are on pavement.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
--> Yak-List message posted by: ggg6@att.net
Thank You Mr.Haertlein, I always appreciate being called a "LIAR", and for
You information, I bought the same tire from Desser that anyone can buy
today.. So YOU can take Your trash and STICK IT WHERE THE SUN DON"T
SHINE!!!!
Need Isay more??? Gary Gabbard
-------------- Original message from "Frank Haertlein"
<yak52driver@earthlink.net>: --------------
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
>
> From practical experience I am but forced to conclude you have other than
> standard Desser tires or, and it pains me to say it, you are full of bull.
> Frank
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ggg6@att.net
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Need Tires
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: ggg6@att.net
>
> Interesting: I have over 400 hours on my Desser Tires, and they have a lot
> of tread left... Gary G.
>
> -------------- Original message from "Frank Haertlein"
> : --------------
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
> >
> > Jill
> > Do you have any more of the Russian tires for my 52? I'd like to order
two
>
> > complete sets as the Russian ones I got from you are still going strong
> and
> > lasting two-three times as long as the Desser tires.
> >
> > Let's face it guys, the Desser tires are way to friggin' soft and wear
> > out
> > too friggin fast. Let's give our bidness to the Russians...........
> >
> > HMMMMMM? I got 65,000 miles on my automotive tires and their still
> > going
> > strong. I got maybe 40-50 landings on my old Desser tires and their
> history.
> >
> >
> > Trust me...the formulation of Desser rubber sucks!
> >
> > Thanks
> > Frank
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> Interesting: I have over 400 hours on my Desser Tires, and they have a lot
> of tread left... Gary G.
>
> -------------- Original message from "Frank Haertlein"
> yak52driver@earthlink.net: --------------
>
>
> -- Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
>
>
> Jill
> Do you have any more of the Russian tires for my 52? I'd like to order two
> complete sets as the Russian ones I got from you are still going strong
and
>
> lasting two-three times as long as the Desser tires.
>
> Let's face it guys, the Desser tires are way to friggin' soft and wear out
> too friggin fast. Let's give our bidness to the Russians...........
>
> HMMMMMM? I got 65,000 miles on my automotive tires and their still going
> strong. I got maybe 40-50 landings on my old Desser tires and their
> history.
>
>
> Trust me...the formulation of Desser rubber sucks!
>
> Tha
> nks
> Frank
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Thank You Mr.Haertlein, I always appreciate being called a "LIAR", and for
You information, I bought the same tire from Desser that anyone can buy
today.. So YOU can take Your trash and STICK IT WHERE THE SUN DON"T SHINE!!!!
Need
Isay more??? Gary Gabbard
-------------- Original message from "Frank Haertlein"
yak52driver@earthlink.net: --------------
-- Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <YAK52DRIVER@EARTHLINK.NET>
From practical experience I am but forced to conclude you have other than
standard Desser tires or, and it pains me to say it, you are full of bull.
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ggg6@att.net
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Need Tires
-- Yak-List message posted by: ggg6@att.net
Interesting: I have over 400 hours on my Desser Tires, and they have a lot
of tread left... Gary G.
-------------- Original m
essage from "Frank Haertlein"
<YAK52DRIVER@EARTHLINK.NET>: --------------
-- Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
Jill
Do you have any more of the Russian tires for my 52? I'd like to order two
complete sets as the Russian ones I got from you are still going strong
and
lasting two-three times as long as the Desser tires.
Let's face it guys, the Desser tires are way to friggin' soft and wear
out
too friggin fast. Let's give our bidness to the Russians...........
HMMMMMM? I got 65,000 miles on my automotive tires and their still
going
strong. I got maybe 40-50 landings on my old Desser tires and their
history.
Trust me...the formulation of Desser rubber sucks!
<BR
> Thanks
Frank
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Interesting: I have over 400 hours on my Desser Tires, and they have a lot
of tread left... Gary G.
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yak52driver@earthlink.net: --------------
-- Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
<YAK52DRIVER@EARTHLINK.NET>
Jill
Do you have any more of the Russian tires for my 52? I'd like to order two
complete sets as the Russian ones I got from you are still going strong and
lasting two-three times as long as the Desser tires.
Let's face it guys, the Desser tires are way to friggin' soft and wear out
too friggin fast. Let's give our bi
dness to the Russians...........
HMMMMMM? I got 65,000 miles on my automotive tires and their still going
strong. I got maybe 40-50 landings on my old Desser tires and their
history.
Trust me...the formulation of Desser rubber sucks!
Tha
nks
Frank
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "ANDREWS" <dandmaz@cox.net>
Here at Deer Valley Arizona, we have fifteen CJ-6's Two, Yak-50's, Two
Yak-52. Desser recap's last the longest. Dessers new tire come in second .
The Russian/ Chinese tire come in last.
(DVT Rwy 4500'x75' Elv 1476') and it can get warm here, like Jim says we
all have different landing techniques or it could be the tires like the hot
weather in the west,
Don Andrews
----- Original Message -----
From: <cjpilot710@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Need Tires
> --> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
>
>
> In a message dated 9/29/2005 2:42:41 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> ggg6@att.net writes:
>
>
> Hay guys, Cool it. Lots of things can effect the wear of tires. Hard
> surface will eat any tire more so than grass by far. Landing technique
> ( dare I
> say poor ) will take rubber off. Excessive use of brakes will effect
> wear.
> Worse case scenario is landing to fast, hard, with drift, and your
> squeezing
> the brake handle. But that's TW101 "Tire Ware 101".
>
> The only way to compare these two tires FARILY is subject them to the
> same
> conditions and importantly the same cycles. I don't know of anyone who
> has
> done that. Yes you can compare what has happened on you airplane BUT
> only if
> your mod of operation didn't change and every landing was exactly the
> same.
>
> Personally I've had a little better ware with Desser BUT their tubes stink
> in the way they set the valve stem. However if the price was right I'd
> buy a
> Russian tire. I operate off a grass strip and about half my takeoffs and
> landings are on pavement.
>
> Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: ggg6@att.net
>
> Thank You Mr.Haertlein, I always appreciate being called a "LIAR", and
> for
> You information, I bought the same tire from Desser that anyone can buy
> today.. So YOU can take Your trash and STICK IT WHERE THE SUN DON"T
> SHINE!!!!
> Need Isay more??? Gary Gabbard
>
> -------------- Original message from "Frank Haertlein"
> <yak52driver@earthlink.net>: --------------
>
>
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
>>
>> From practical experience I am but forced to conclude you have other
>> than
>> standard Desser tires or, and it pains me to say it, you are full of
>> bull.
>> Frank
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ggg6@att.net
>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Need Tires
>>
>>
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: ggg6@att.net
>>
>> Interesting: I have over 400 hours on my Desser Tires, and they have a
>> lot
>> of tread left... Gary G.
>>
>> -------------- Original message from "Frank Haertlein"
>> : --------------
>>
>>
>> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
>> >
>> > Jill
>> > Do you have any more of the Russian tires for my 52? I'd like to order
> two
>>
>> > complete sets as the Russian ones I got from you are still going
>> > strong
>> and
>> > lasting two-three times as long as the Desser tires.
>> >
>> > Let's face it guys, the Desser tires are way to friggin' soft and wear
>> > out
>> > too friggin fast. Let's give our bidness to the Russians...........
>> >
>> > HMMMMMM? I got 65,000 miles on my automotive tires and their still
>> > going
>> > strong. I got maybe 40-50 landings on my old Desser tires and their
>> history.
>> >
>> >
>> > Trust me...the formulation of Desser rubber sucks!
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> > Frank
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Interesting: I have over 400 hours on my Desser Tires, and they have a
>> lot
>> of tread left... Gary G.
>>
>> -------------- Original message from "Frank Haertlein"
>> yak52driver@earthlink.net: --------------
>>
>>
>> -- Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
>>
>>
>> Jill
>> Do you have any more of the Russian tires for my 52? I'd like to order
>> two
>> complete sets as the Russian ones I got from you are still going strong
> and
>>
>> lasting two-three times as long as the Desser tires.
>>
>> Let's face it guys, the Desser tires are way to friggin' soft and wear
>> out
>> too friggin fast. Let's give our bidness to the Russians...........
>>
>> HMMMMMM? I got 65,000 miles on my automotive tires and their still going
>> strong. I got maybe 40-50 landings on my old Desser tires and their
>> history.
>>
>>
>> Trust me...the formulation of Desser rubber sucks!
>>
>> Tha
>> nks
>> Frank
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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>
> Thank You Mr.Haertlein, I always appreciate being called a "LIAR", and
> for
> You information, I bought the same tire from Desser that anyone can buy
> today.. So YOU can take Your trash and STICK IT WHERE THE SUN DON"T
> SHINE!!!! Need
> Isay more??? Gary Gabbard
>
>
> -------------- Original message from "Frank Haertlein"
> yak52driver@earthlink.net: --------------
>
>
> -- Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
> <YAK52DRIVER@EARTHLINK.NET>
>
> From practical experience I am but forced to conclude you have other than
> standard Desser tires or, and it pains me to say it, you are full of
> bull.
> Frank
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ggg6@att.net
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Need Tires
>
>
> -- Yak-List message posted by: ggg6@att.net
>
> Interesting: I have over 400 hours on my Desser Tires, and they have a
> lot
> of tread left... Gary G.
>
> -------------- Original m
> essage from "Frank Haertlein"
> <YAK52DRIVER@EARTHLINK.NET>: --------------
>
>
> -- Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
>
> Jill
> Do you have any more of the Russian tires for my 52? I'd like to order
> two
>
> complete sets as the Russian ones I got from you are still going strong
> and
> lasting two-three times as long as the Desser tires.
>
> Let's face it guys, the Desser tires are way to friggin' soft and wear
> out
> too friggin fast. Let's give our bidness to the Russians...........
>
> HMMMMMM? I got 65,000 miles on my automotive tires and their still
> going
> strong. I got maybe 40-50 landings on my old Desser tires and their
> history.
>
>
> Trust me...the formulation of Desser rubber sucks!
> <BR
>> Thanks
> Frank
>
>
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>
>
> <!-- WEBMAIL STATIONERY noneset -->
> Interesting: I have over 400 hours on my Desser Tires, and they have a
> lot
> of tread left... Gary G.
>
> -------------- Original message from "Frank Haertlein"
> yak52driver@earthlink.net: --------------
>
>
> -- Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
> <YAK52DRIVER@EARTHLINK.NET>
>
> Jill
> Do you have any more of the Russian tires for my 52? I'd like to order
> two
> complete sets as the Russian ones I got from you are still going strong
> and
>
> lasting two-three times as long as the Desser tires.
>
> Let's face it guys, the Desser tires are way to friggin' soft and wear
> out
> too friggin fast. Let's give our bi
> dness to the Russians...........
>
> HMMMMMM? I got 65,000 miles on my automotive tires and their still going
> strong. I got maybe 40-50 landings on my old Desser tires and their
> history.
>
>
> Trust me...the formulation of Desser rubber sucks!
>
> Tha
> nks
> Frank
>
>
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>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
Damn it Jim, how many times have I got to tell you to use a spell
checker. Its Tire Wear, not ware :)
Ernie
On 9/29/05, cjpilot710@aol.com <cjpilot710@aol.com> wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 9/29/2005 9:40:01 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> cjpilot710@aol.com writes:
>
> A little more on tires that I forgot add.
>
> Most tires are made in batches all made and formed from a common mix. Mess
> up the ingredients of the mix just a little and you'll have different ware
> for that whole batch. Of course one manufacture's mix may be better.
>
> Also effecting a tires ware beside the ingredients is the forming process.
> If temps and pressure are not right the tire will not wear the same. I would
> not doubt that the manufactures have limits on their products and they go
> out the door. Just how wide those limits are, is guessing by any of us.
>
> If you guys think our tires are expensive - on B-24 and B-17 we pay $3,000
> for a new tire. The only two companies in the world that make them, do so
> ONLY in batches of 100. We 're-cap' our tires - they can be done only once
-
> about $1,500. We change tires about 4 times a year.
>
> So you see all things are relative. I think getting up set over whether one
> tire is better than another based on one's experiences is silly. There are
> too variables involved.
>
> Jim "Chirp chirp" Goolsby
>
>
> Hay guys, Cool it. Lots of things can effect the wear of tires. Hard
> surface will eat any tire more so than grass by far. Landing technique (
> dare I
> say poor ) will take rubber off. Excessive use of brakes will effect wear.
>
> Worse case scenario is landing to fast, hard, with drift, and your
> squeezing
> the brake handle. But that's TW101 "Tire Ware 101".
>
> The only way to compare these two tires FARILY is subject them to the same
> conditions and importantly the same cycles. I don't know of anyone who has
> done that. Yes you can compare what has happened on you airplane BUT only
> if
> your mod of operation didn't change and every landing was exactly the same.
>
> Personally I've had a little better ware with Desser BUT their tubes stink
> in the way they set the valve stem. However if the price was right I'd buy
> a
> Russian tire. I operate off a grass strip and about half my takeoffs and
> landings are on pavement.
>
> Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: ggg6@att.net
>
> Thank You Mr.Haertlein, I always appreciate being called a "LIAR", and for
> You information, I bought the same tire from Desser that anyone can buy
> today.. So YOU can take Your trash and STICK IT WHERE THE SUN DON"T
> SHINE!!!!
> Need Isay more??? Gary Gabbard
>
> -------------- Original message from "Frank Haertlein"
> <yak52driver@earthlink.net>: --------------
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
> >
> > From practical experience I am but forced to conclude you have other than
> > standard Desser tires or, and it pains me to say it, you are full of
> bull.
> > Frank
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ggg6@att.net
> > To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Need Tires
> >
> >
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: ggg6@att.net
> >
> > Interesting: I have over 400 hours on my Desser Tires, and they have a
> lot
> > of tread left... Gary G.
> >
> > -------------- Original message from "Frank Haertlein"
> > : --------------
> >
> >
> > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
> > >
> > > Jill
> > > Do you have any more of the Russian tires for my 52? I'd like to order
> two
> >
> > > complete sets as the Russian ones I got from you are still going strong
> > and
> > > lasting two-three times as long as the Desser tires.
> > >
> > > Let's face it guys, the Desser tires are way to friggin' soft and wear
> > > out
> > > too friggin fast. Let's give our bidness to the Russians...........
> > >
> > > HMMMMMM? I got 65,000 miles on my automotive tires and their still
> > > going
> > > strong. I got maybe 40-50 landings on my old Desser tires and their
> > history.
> > >
> > >
> > > Trust me...the formulation of Desser rubber sucks!
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Frank
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Interesting: I have over 400 hours on my Desser Tires, and they have a
> lot
> > of tread left... Gary G.
> >
> > -------------- Original message from "Frank Haertlein"
> > yak52driver@earthlink.net: --------------
> >
> >
> > -- Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
> >
> >
> > Jill
> > Do you have any more of the Russian tires for my 52? I'd like to order
> two
> > complete sets as the Russian ones I got from you are still going strong
> and
> >
> > lasting two-three times as long as the Desser tires.
> >
> > Let's face it guys, the Desser tires are way to friggin' soft and wear
> out
> > too friggin fast. Let's give our bidness to the Russians...........
> >
> > HMMMMMM? I got 65,000 miles on my automotive tires and their still going
> > strong. I got maybe 40-50 landings on my old Desser tires and their
> > history.
> >
> >
> > Trust me...the formulation of Desser rubber sucks!
> >
> > Tha
> > nks
> > Frank
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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>
> Thank You Mr.Haertlein, I always appreciate being called a "LIAR", and for
> You information, I bought the same tire from Desser that anyone can buy
> today.. So YOU can take Your trash and STICK IT WHERE THE SUN DON"T
> SHINE!!!! Need
> Isay more??? Gary Gabbard
>
>
> -------------- Original message from "Frank Haertlein"
> yak52driver@earthlink.net: --------------
>
>
> -- Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
> <YAK52DRIVER@EARTHLINK.NET>
>
> From practical experience I am but forced to conclude you have other than
> standard Desser tires or, and it pains me to say it, you are full of bull.
> Frank
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ggg6@att.net
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Need Tires
>
>
> -- Yak-List message posted by: ggg6@att.net
>
> Interesting: I have over 400 hours on my Desser Tires, and they have a lot
> of tread left... Gary G.
>
> -------------- Original m
> essage from "Frank Haertlein"
> <YAK52DRIVER@EARTHLINK.NET>: --------------
>
>
> -- Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
>
> Jill
> Do you have any more of the Russian tires for my 52? I'd like to order two
>
> complete sets as the Russian ones I got from you are still going strong
> and
> lasting two-three times as long as the Desser tires.
>
> Let's face it guys, the Desser tires are way to friggin' soft and wear
> out
> too friggin fast. Let's give our bidness to the Russians...........
>
> HMMMMMM? I got 65,000 miles on my automotive tires and their still
> going
> strong. I got maybe 40-50 landings on my old Desser tires and their
> history.
>
>
> Trust me...the formulation of Desser rubber sucks!
> <BR
> > Thanks
> Frank
>
>
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>
>
> <!-- WEBMAIL STATIONERY noneset -->
> Interesting: I have over 400 hours on my Desser Tires, and they have a lot
> of tread left... Gary G.
>
> -------------- Original message from "Frank Haertlein"
> yak52driver@earthlink.net: --------------
>
>
> -- Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
> <YAK52DRIVER@EARTHLINK.NET>
>
> Jill
> Do you have any more of the Russian tires for my 52? I'd like to order two
> complete sets as the Russian ones I got from you are still going strong and
>
> lasting two-three times as long as the Desser tires.
>
> Let's face it guys, the Desser tires are way to friggin' soft and wear out
> too friggin fast. Let's give our bi
> dness to the Russians...........
>
> HMMMMMM? I got 65,000 miles on my automotive tires and their still going
> strong. I got maybe 40-50 landings on my old Desser tires and their
> history.
>
>
> Trust me...the formulation of Desser rubber sucks!
>
> Tha
> nks
> Frank
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Yak 3
http://home.hamptonroads.com/stories/story.cfm?story=92676&ran=198502&tref=p
o
see it.
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| Subject: | Les Crowder spinner WANTED please help me find one!!!! |
0.12 X_PRIORITY_HIGH Sent with 'X-Priority' set to high
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Schrick" <schrick@pacbell.net>
Dear Yakers,
I have a friend on our airport that wants (he says he NEEDS) a Les Crowder
LARGE spinner. I know Les made over 30 of them and a see very few due to lack
of gills.
If you have one and wish to sell it, my friend would be forever grateful.
His name is John Bergsma
John Bergsma [john@jb3enterprises.com]
1993 Yak 55M
OK ....lets put the Yak list to work. He is restoring a top notch Yak 55 and
loves the plane. He just needs this one spinner to finish the job.
Thanks guys.
Mark "SHREK" Schrick
YAK DRIVER, LLC
Aerostar Dealer of (New) Yak 52TW
Fully Restored USED Yak 52's "We meet anyone's budget!!!
REDSTAR Pilot Assoc. Active member
966 Wallace Drive
San Jose, Ca 95120-1848
Hm/Fax 408-323-5150
Cell 408-391-6664
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Website www.YAKDRIVER.com
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--> Yak-List message posted by: DaBear <dabear@damned.org>
So I have over 200 hours on my Desser Tires and they have good tread
left. Hmmm why the difference where some only get limited life?
DaBear
ggg6@att.net wrote:
>--> Yak-List message posted by: ggg6@att.net
>
>Interesting: I have over 400 hours on my Desser Tires, and they have a lot of
tread left... Gary G.
>
>-------------- Original message from "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>:
--------------
>
>
>
>
>>--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
>>
>>Jill
>>Do you have any more of the Russian tires for my 52? I'd like to order two
>>complete sets as the Russian ones I got from you are still going strong and
>>lasting two-three times as long as the Desser tires.
>>
>>Let's face it guys, the Desser tires are way to friggin' soft and wear out
>>too friggin fast. Let's give our bidness to the Russians...........
>>
>>HMMMMMM? I got 65,000 miles on my automotive tires and their still going
>>strong. I got maybe 40-50 landings on my old Desser tires and their history.
>>
>>
>>Trust me...the formulation of Desser rubber sucks!
>>
>>Thanks
>>Frank
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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>Interesting: I have over 400 hours on my Desser Tires, and they have a lot of
tread left... Gary G.
>
>-------------- Original message from "Frank Haertlein" yak52driver@earthlink.net:
--------------
>
>
> -- Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <YAK52DRIVER@EARTHLINK.NET>
>
> Jill
> Do you have any more of the Russian tires for my 52? I'd like to order two
> complete sets as the Russian ones I got from you are still going strong and
> lasting two-three times as long as the Desser tires.
>
> Let's face it guys, the Desser tires are way to friggin' soft and wear out
> too friggin fast. Let's give our bidness to the Russians...........
>
> HMMMMMM? I got 65,000 miles on my automotive tires and their still going
> strong. I got maybe 40-50 landings on my old Desser tires and their history.
>
>
> Trust me...the formulation of Desser rubber sucks!
>
> Tha
> nks
> Frank
>
>
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>
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Ernest Martinez wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
>
> Damn it Jim, how many times have I got to tell you to use a spell
> checker. Its Tire Wear, not ware :)
Yeah, but "ware" is a word and the spell checker would mark it as correct.
But on the other hand, did you understand what Jim was saying? I did. No
problem with the good information he put out there. I would rather have Jim's
postings with misspellings and wrong words than not have Jim's postings.
I betcha we could find something to correct in almost everybody's post, like
in your case you didn't bother to edit out any of the extraneous and
no-longer-necessary text from the original postings. That is really annoying.
How many times have I got to tell you to edit out the extraneous text? And how
many times have I got to tell you to put a question mark at the end of a question?
Oh, let me put a smiley-face on here to make it all better. ;-)
Someone once told me that the most powerful motivating force in the human
animal is the need to edit someone else's writing. I think they were right!
Now, back to the wear of landing-ware ...
--
Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
brian-yak@lloyd.com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Jay Land <jland@popeandland.com>
Earnest:
Spell checker want ketch those kinds of errors!
J
> From: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
> Reply-To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 10:31:21 -0400
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Need Tires
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
>
> Damn it Jim, how many times have I got to tell you to use a spell
> checker. Its Tire Wear, not ware :)
>
> Ernie
>
> On 9/29/05, cjpilot710@aol.com <cjpilot710@aol.com> wrote:
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
>>
>> In a message dated 9/29/2005 9:40:01 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> cjpilot710@aol.com writes:
>>
>> A little more on tires that I forgot add.
>>
>> Most tires are made in batches all made and formed from a common mix. Mess
>> up the ingredients of the mix just a little and you'll have different ware
>> for that whole batch. Of course one manufacture's mix may be better.
>>
>> Also effecting a tires ware beside the ingredients is the forming process.
>> If temps and pressure are not right the tire will not wear the same. I
>> would
>> not doubt that the manufactures have limits on their products and they go
>> out the door. Just how wide those limits are, is guessing by any of us.
>>
>> If you guys think our tires are expensive - on B-24 and B-17 we pay $3,000
>> for a new tire. The only two companies in the world that make them, do so
>> ONLY in batches of 100. We 're-cap' our tires - they can be done only once
>> -
>> about $1,500. We change tires about 4 times a year.
>>
>> So you see all things are relative. I think getting up set over whether one
>> tire is better than another based on one's experiences is silly. There are
>> too variables involved.
>>
>> Jim "Chirp chirp" Goolsby
>>
>>
>> Hay guys, Cool it. Lots of things can effect the wear of tires. Hard
>> surface will eat any tire more so than grass by far. Landing technique (
>> dare I
>> say poor ) will take rubber off. Excessive use of brakes will effect wear.
>>
>> Worse case scenario is landing to fast, hard, with drift, and your
>> squeezing
>> the brake handle. But that's TW101 "Tire Ware 101".
>>
>> The only way to compare these two tires FARILY is subject them to the same
>> conditions and importantly the same cycles. I don't know of anyone who has
>> done that. Yes you can compare what has happened on you airplane BUT only
>> if
>> your mod of operation didn't change and every landing was exactly the same.
>>
>> Personally I've had a little better ware with Desser BUT their tubes stink
>> in the way they set the valve stem. However if the price was right I'd buy
>> a
>> Russian tire. I operate off a grass strip and about half my takeoffs and
>> landings are on pavement.
>>
>> Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
>>
>>
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: ggg6@att.net
>>
>> Thank You Mr.Haertlein, I always appreciate being called a "LIAR", and for
>> You information, I bought the same tire from Desser that anyone can buy
>> today.. So YOU can take Your trash and STICK IT WHERE THE SUN DON"T
>> SHINE!!!!
>> Need Isay more??? Gary Gabbard
>>
>> -------------- Original message from "Frank Haertlein"
>> <yak52driver@earthlink.net>: --------------
>>
>>
>>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
>>>
>>> From practical experience I am but forced to conclude you have other than
>>> standard Desser tires or, and it pains me to say it, you are full of
>> bull.
>>> Frank
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ggg6@att.net
>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Need Tires
>>>
>>>
>>> --> Yak-List message posted by: ggg6@att.net
>>>
>>> Interesting: I have over 400 hours on my Desser Tires, and they have a
>> lot
>>> of tread left... Gary G.
>>>
>>> -------------- Original message from "Frank Haertlein"
>>> : --------------
>>>
>>>
>>>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
>>>>
>>>> Jill
>>>> Do you have any more of the Russian tires for my 52? I'd like to order
>> two
>>>
>>>> complete sets as the Russian ones I got from you are still going strong
>>> and
>>>> lasting two-three times as long as the Desser tires.
>>>>
>>>> Let's face it guys, the Desser tires are way to friggin' soft and wear
>>>> out
>>>> too friggin fast. Let's give our bidness to the Russians...........
>>>>
>>>> HMMMMMM? I got 65,000 miles on my automotive tires and their still
>>>> going
>>>> strong. I got maybe 40-50 landings on my old Desser tires and their
>>> history.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Trust me...the formulation of Desser rubber sucks!
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Frank
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Interesting: I have over 400 hours on my Desser Tires, and they have a
>> lot
>>> of tread left... Gary G.
>>>
>>> -------------- Original message from "Frank Haertlein"
>>> yak52driver@earthlink.net: --------------
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
>>>
>>>
>>> Jill
>>> Do you have any more of the Russian tires for my 52? I'd like to order
>> two
>>> complete sets as the Russian ones I got from you are still going strong
>> and
>>>
>>> lasting two-three times as long as the Desser tires.
>>>
>>> Let's face it guys, the Desser tires are way to friggin' soft and wear
>> out
>>> too friggin fast. Let's give our bidness to the Russians...........
>>>
>>> HMMMMMM? I got 65,000 miles on my automotive tires and their still going
>>> strong. I got maybe 40-50 landings on my old Desser tires and their
>>> history.
>>>
>>>
>>> Trust me...the formulation of Desser rubber sucks!
>>>
>>> Tha
>>> nks
>>> Frank
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> <!-- BEGIN WEBMAIL STATIONERY -->
>>
>>
>> <!-- WEBMAIL STATIONERY noneset -->
>>
>>
>> Thank You Mr.Haertlein, I always appreciate being called a "LIAR", and for
>> You information, I bought the same tire from Desser that anyone can buy
>> today.. So YOU can take Your trash and STICK IT WHERE THE SUN DON"T
>> SHINE!!!! Need
>> Isay more??? Gary Gabbard
>>
>>
>> -------------- Original message from "Frank Haertlein"
>> yak52driver@earthlink.net: --------------
>>
>>
>> -- Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
>> <YAK52DRIVER@EARTHLINK.NET>
>>
>> From practical experience I am but forced to conclude you have other than
>> standard Desser tires or, and it pains me to say it, you are full of bull.
>> Frank
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ggg6@att.net
>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Need Tires
>>
>>
>> -- Yak-List message posted by: ggg6@att.net
>>
>> Interesting: I have over 400 hours on my Desser Tires, and they have a lot
>> of tread left... Gary G.
>>
>> -------------- Original m
>> essage from "Frank Haertlein"
>> <YAK52DRIVER@EARTHLINK.NET>: --------------
>>
>>
>> -- Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
>>
>> Jill
>> Do you have any more of the Russian tires for my 52? I'd like to order two
>>
>> complete sets as the Russian ones I got from you are still going strong
>> and
>> lasting two-three times as long as the Desser tires.
>>
>> Let's face it guys, the Desser tires are way to friggin' soft and wear
>> out
>> too friggin fast. Let's give our bidness to the Russians...........
>>
>> HMMMMMM? I got 65,000 miles on my automotive tires and their still
>> going
>> strong. I got maybe 40-50 landings on my old Desser tires and their
>> history.
>>
>>
>> Trust me...the formulation of Desser rubber sucks!
>> <BR
>>> Thanks
>> Frank
>>
>>
>> <!-- BEGIN WEBMAIL STATIONERY -->
>>
>>
>> <!-- WEBMAIL STATIONERY noneset -->
>> Interesting: I have over 400 hours on my Desser Tires, and they have a lot
>> of tread left... Gary G.
>>
>> -------------- Original message from "Frank Haertlein"
>> yak52driver@earthlink.net: --------------
>>
>>
>> -- Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
>> <YAK52DRIVER@EARTHLINK.NET>
>>
>> Jill
>> Do you have any more of the Russian tires for my 52? I'd like to order two
>> complete sets as the Russian ones I got from you are still going strong and
>>
>> lasting two-three times as long as the Desser tires.
>>
>> Let's face it guys, the Desser tires are way to friggin' soft and wear out
>> too friggin fast. Let's give our bi
>> dness to the Russians...........
>>
>> HMMMMMM? I got 65,000 miles on my automotive tires and their still going
>> strong. I got maybe 40-50 landings on my old Desser tires and their
>> history.
>>
>>
>> Trust me...the formulation of Desser rubber sucks!
>>
>> Tha
>> nks
>> Frank
>>
>>
>> <!-- END WEBMAIL STATIONERY -->
>>
>>
>> <!-- END WEBMAIL STATIONERY -->
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
I havent changed mine in 3 years, but then again, I takeoff and land
mostly on grass.
Ernie
On 9/29/05, DaBear <dabear@damned.org> wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: DaBear <dabear@damned.org>
>
> So I have over 200 hours on my Desser Tires and they have good tread
> left. Hmmm why the difference where some only get limited life?
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "ANDREWS" <dandmaz@cox.net>
I guest some of us are good stick and can fly and some can spell .
Don Andrews
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jay Land" <jland@popeandland.com>
Subject: Yak-List: spelling
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Jay Land <jland@popeandland.com>
>
> Earnest:
>
> Spell checker want ketch those kinds of errors!
>
> J
>
>
>> From: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
>> Reply-To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
>> Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 10:31:21 -0400
>> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Need Tires
>>
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
>>
>> Damn it Jim, how many times have I got to tell you to use a spell
>> checker. Its Tire Wear, not ware :)
>>
>> Ernie
>>
>> On 9/29/05, cjpilot710@aol.com <cjpilot710@aol.com> wrote:
>>> --> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
>>>
>>> In a message dated 9/29/2005 9:40:01 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>>> cjpilot710@aol.com writes:
>>>
>>> A little more on tires that I forgot add.
>>>
>>> Most tires are made in batches all made and formed from a common mix.
>>> Mess
>>> up the ingredients of the mix just a little and you'll have different
>>> ware
>>> for that whole batch. Of course one manufacture's mix may be better.
>>>
>>> Also effecting a tires ware beside the ingredients is the forming
>>> process.
>>> If temps and pressure are not right the tire will not wear the same. I
>>> would
>>> not doubt that the manufactures have limits on their products and they
>>> go
>>> out the door. Just how wide those limits are, is guessing by any of
>>> us.
>>>
>>> If you guys think our tires are expensive - on B-24 and B-17 we pay
>>> $3,000
>>> for a new tire. The only two companies in the world that make them, do
>>> so
>>> ONLY in batches of 100. We 're-cap' our tires - they can be done only
>>> once
>>> -
>>> about $1,500. We change tires about 4 times a year.
>>>
>>> So you see all things are relative. I think getting up set over whether
>>> one
>>> tire is better than another based on one's experiences is silly. There
>>> are
>>> too variables involved.
>>>
>>> Jim "Chirp chirp" Goolsby
>>>
>>>
>>> Hay guys, Cool it. Lots of things can effect the wear of tires.
>>> Hard
>>> surface will eat any tire more so than grass by far. Landing
>>> technique (
>>> dare I
>>> say poor ) will take rubber off. Excessive use of brakes will effect
>>> wear.
>>>
>>> Worse case scenario is landing to fast, hard, with drift, and your
>>> squeezing
>>> the brake handle. But that's TW101 "Tire Ware 101".
>>>
>>> The only way to compare these two tires FARILY is subject them to the
>>> same
>>> conditions and importantly the same cycles. I don't know of anyone
>>> who has
>>> done that. Yes you can compare what has happened on you airplane BUT
>>> only
>>> if
>>> your mod of operation didn't change and every landing was exactly the
>>> same.
>>>
>>> Personally I've had a little better ware with Desser BUT their tubes
>>> stink
>>> in the way they set the valve stem. However if the price was right I'd
>>> buy
>>> a
>>> Russian tire. I operate off a grass strip and about half my takeoffs
>>> and
>>> landings are on pavement.
>>>
>>> Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
>>>
>>>
>>> --> Yak-List message posted by: ggg6@att.net
>>>
>>> Thank You Mr.Haertlein, I always appreciate being called a "LIAR", and
>>> for
>>> You information, I bought the same tire from Desser that anyone can
>>> buy
>>> today.. So YOU can take Your trash and STICK IT WHERE THE SUN DON"T
>>> SHINE!!!!
>>> Need Isay more??? Gary Gabbard
>>>
>>> -------------- Original message from "Frank Haertlein"
>>> <yak52driver@earthlink.net>: --------------
>>>
>>>
>>>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
>>>>
>>>> From practical experience I am but forced to conclude you have other
>>>> than
>>>> standard Desser tires or, and it pains me to say it, you are full of
>>> bull.
>>>> Frank
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>>>> ggg6@att.net
>>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Need Tires
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --> Yak-List message posted by: ggg6@att.net
>>>>
>>>> Interesting: I have over 400 hours on my Desser Tires, and they have
>>>> a
>>> lot
>>>> of tread left... Gary G.
>>>>
>>>> -------------- Original message from "Frank Haertlein"
>>>> : --------------
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
>>>>>
>>>>> Jill
>>>>> Do you have any more of the Russian tires for my 52? I'd like to
>>>>> order
>>> two
>>>>
>>>>> complete sets as the Russian ones I got from you are still going
>>>>> strong
>>>> and
>>>>> lasting two-three times as long as the Desser tires.
>>>>>
>>>>> Let's face it guys, the Desser tires are way to friggin' soft and
>>>>> wear
>>>>> out
>>>>> too friggin fast. Let's give our bidness to the Russians...........
>>>>>
>>>>> HMMMMMM? I got 65,000 miles on my automotive tires and their still
>>>>> going
>>>>> strong. I got maybe 40-50 landings on my old Desser tires and their
>>>> history.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Trust me...the formulation of Desser rubber sucks!
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Frank
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Interesting: I have over 400 hours on my Desser Tires, and they have
>>>> a
>>> lot
>>>> of tread left... Gary G.
>>>>
>>>> -------------- Original message from "Frank Haertlein"
>>>> yak52driver@earthlink.net: --------------
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -- Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jill
>>>> Do you have any more of the Russian tires for my 52? I'd like to
>>>> order
>>> two
>>>> complete sets as the Russian ones I got from you are still going
>>>> strong
>>> and
>>>>
>>>> lasting two-three times as long as the Desser tires.
>>>>
>>>> Let's face it guys, the Desser tires are way to friggin' soft and
>>>> wear
>>> out
>>>> too friggin fast. Let's give our bidness to the Russians...........
>>>>
>>>> HMMMMMM? I got 65,000 miles on my automotive tires and their still
>>>> going
>>>> strong. I got maybe 40-50 landings on my old Desser tires and their
>>>> history.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Trust me...the formulation of Desser rubber sucks!
>>>>
>>>> Tha
>>>> nks
>>>> Frank
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> <!-- BEGIN WEBMAIL STATIONERY -->
>>>
>>>
>>> <!-- WEBMAIL STATIONERY noneset -->
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank You Mr.Haertlein, I always appreciate being called a "LIAR", and
>>> for
>>> You information, I bought the same tire from Desser that anyone can
>>> buy
>>> today.. So YOU can take Your trash and STICK IT WHERE THE SUN DON"T
>>> SHINE!!!! Need
>>> Isay more??? Gary Gabbard
>>>
>>>
>>> -------------- Original message from "Frank Haertlein"
>>> yak52driver@earthlink.net: --------------
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
>>> <YAK52DRIVER@EARTHLINK.NET>
>>>
>>> From practical experience I am but forced to conclude you have other
>>> than
>>> standard Desser tires or, and it pains me to say it, you are full of
>>> bull.
>>> Frank
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ggg6@att.net
>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Need Tires
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Yak-List message posted by: ggg6@att.net
>>>
>>> Interesting: I have over 400 hours on my Desser Tires, and they have a
>>> lot
>>> of tread left... Gary G.
>>>
>>> -------------- Original m
>>> essage from "Frank Haertlein"
>>> <YAK52DRIVER@EARTHLINK.NET>: --------------
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
>>>
>>> Jill
>>> Do you have any more of the Russian tires for my 52? I'd like to order
>>> two
>>>
>>> complete sets as the Russian ones I got from you are still going
>>> strong
>>> and
>>> lasting two-three times as long as the Desser tires.
>>>
>>> Let's face it guys, the Desser tires are way to friggin' soft and wear
>>> out
>>> too friggin fast. Let's give our bidness to the Russians...........
>>>
>>> HMMMMMM? I got 65,000 miles on my automotive tires and their still
>>> going
>>> strong. I got maybe 40-50 landings on my old Desser tires and their
>>> history.
>>>
>>>
>>> Trust me...the formulation of Desser rubber sucks!
>>> <BR
>>>> Thanks
>>> Frank
>>>
>>>
>>> <!-- BEGIN WEBMAIL STATIONERY -->
>>>
>>>
>>> <!-- WEBMAIL STATIONERY noneset -->
>>> Interesting: I have over 400 hours on my Desser Tires, and they have a
>>> lot
>>> of tread left... Gary G.
>>>
>>> -------------- Original message from "Frank Haertlein"
>>> yak52driver@earthlink.net: --------------
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
>>> <YAK52DRIVER@EARTHLINK.NET>
>>>
>>> Jill
>>> Do you have any more of the Russian tires for my 52? I'd like to order
>>> two
>>> complete sets as the Russian ones I got from you are still going
>>> strong and
>>>
>>> lasting two-three times as long as the Desser tires.
>>>
>>> Let's face it guys, the Desser tires are way to friggin' soft and wear
>>> out
>>> too friggin fast. Let's give our bi
>>> dness to the Russians...........
>>>
>>> HMMMMMM? I got 65,000 miles on my automotive tires and their still
>>> going
>>> strong. I got maybe 40-50 landings on my old Desser tires and their
>>> history.
>>>
>>>
>>> Trust me...the formulation of Desser rubber sucks!
>>>
>>> Tha
>>> nks
>>> Frank
>>>
>>>
>>> <!-- END WEBMAIL STATIONERY -->
>>>
>>>
>>> <!-- END WEBMAIL STATIONERY -->
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
Lighten up Brian, it was meant tounge in cheek, ergo the smiley :)
Ernie
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "ANDREWS" <dandmaz@cox.net>
I miss spelled (Guest /Guess) would rather be a good stick Jim.
Don
----- Original Message -----
From: "ANDREWS" <dandmaz@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Need Tires
> Here at Deer Valley Arizona, we have fifteen CJ-6's Two, Yak-50's, Two
> Yak-52. Desser recap's last the longest. Dessers new tire come in second .
> The Russian/ Chinese tire come in last.
> (DVT Rwy 4500'x75' Elv 1476') and it can get warm here, like Jim says we
> all have different landing techniques or it could be the tires like the
> hot weather in the west,
>
> Don Andrews
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <cjpilot710@aol.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 6:35 AM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Need Tires
>
>
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 9/29/2005 2:42:41 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> ggg6@att.net writes:
>>
>>
>> Hay guys, Cool it. Lots of things can effect the wear of tires. Hard
>> surface will eat any tire more so than grass by far. Landing technique
>> ( dare I
>> say poor ) will take rubber off. Excessive use of brakes will effect
>> wear.
>> Worse case scenario is landing to fast, hard, with drift, and your
>> squeezing
>> the brake handle. But that's TW101 "Tire Ware 101".
>>
>> The only way to compare these two tires FARILY is subject them to the
>> same
>> conditions and importantly the same cycles. I don't know of anyone who
>> has
>> done that. Yes you can compare what has happened on you airplane BUT
>> only if
>> your mod of operation didn't change and every landing was exactly the
>> same.
>>
>> Personally I've had a little better ware with Desser BUT their tubes
>> stink
>> in the way they set the valve stem. However if the price was right I'd
>> buy a
>> Russian tire. I operate off a grass strip and about half my takeoffs and
>> landings are on pavement.
>>
>> Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
>>
>>
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: ggg6@att.net
>>
>> Thank You Mr.Haertlein, I always appreciate being called a "LIAR", and
>> for
>> You information, I bought the same tire from Desser that anyone can buy
>> today.. So YOU can take Your trash and STICK IT WHERE THE SUN DON"T
>> SHINE!!!!
>> Need Isay more??? Gary Gabbard
>>
>> -------------- Original message from "Frank Haertlein"
>> <yak52driver@earthlink.net>: --------------
>>
>>
>>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
>>>
>>> From practical experience I am but forced to conclude you have other
>>> than
>>> standard Desser tires or, and it pains me to say it, you are full of
>>> bull.
>>> Frank
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ggg6@att.net
>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Need Tires
>>>
>>>
>>> --> Yak-List message posted by: ggg6@att.net
>>>
>>> Interesting: I have over 400 hours on my Desser Tires, and they have a
>>> lot
>>> of tread left... Gary G.
>>>
>>> -------------- Original message from "Frank Haertlein"
>>> : --------------
>>>
>>>
>>> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
>>> >
>>> > Jill
>>> > Do you have any more of the Russian tires for my 52? I'd like to
>>> > order
>> two
>>>
>>> > complete sets as the Russian ones I got from you are still going
>>> > strong
>>> and
>>> > lasting two-three times as long as the Desser tires.
>>> >
>>> > Let's face it guys, the Desser tires are way to friggin' soft and
>>> > wear
>>> > out
>>> > too friggin fast. Let's give our bidness to the Russians...........
>>> >
>>> > HMMMMMM? I got 65,000 miles on my automotive tires and their still
>>> > going
>>> > strong. I got maybe 40-50 landings on my old Desser tires and their
>>> history.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Trust me...the formulation of Desser rubber sucks!
>>> >
>>> > Thanks
>>> > Frank
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Interesting: I have over 400 hours on my Desser Tires, and they have a
>>> lot
>>> of tread left... Gary G.
>>>
>>> -------------- Original message from "Frank Haertlein"
>>> yak52driver@earthlink.net: --------------
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
>>>
>>>
>>> Jill
>>> Do you have any more of the Russian tires for my 52? I'd like to order
>>> two
>>> complete sets as the Russian ones I got from you are still going strong
>> and
>>>
>>> lasting two-three times as long as the Desser tires.
>>>
>>> Let's face it guys, the Desser tires are way to friggin' soft and wear
>>> out
>>> too friggin fast. Let's give our bidness to the Russians...........
>>>
>>> HMMMMMM? I got 65,000 miles on my automotive tires and their still
>>> going
>>> strong. I got maybe 40-50 landings on my old Desser tires and their
>>> history.
>>>
>>>
>>> Trust me...the formulation of Desser rubber sucks!
>>>
>>> Tha
>>> nks
>>> Frank
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> <!-- BEGIN WEBMAIL STATIONERY -->
>>
>>
>> <!-- WEBMAIL STATIONERY noneset -->
>>
>>
>> Thank You Mr.Haertlein, I always appreciate being called a "LIAR", and
>> for
>> You information, I bought the same tire from Desser that anyone can buy
>> today.. So YOU can take Your trash and STICK IT WHERE THE SUN DON"T
>> SHINE!!!! Need
>> Isay more??? Gary Gabbard
>>
>>
>> -------------- Original message from "Frank Haertlein"
>> yak52driver@earthlink.net: --------------
>>
>>
>> -- Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
>> <YAK52DRIVER@EARTHLINK.NET>
>>
>> From practical experience I am but forced to conclude you have other
>> than
>> standard Desser tires or, and it pains me to say it, you are full of
>> bull.
>> Frank
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ggg6@att.net
>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Need Tires
>>
>>
>> -- Yak-List message posted by: ggg6@att.net
>>
>> Interesting: I have over 400 hours on my Desser Tires, and they have a
>> lot
>> of tread left... Gary G.
>>
>> -------------- Original m
>> essage from "Frank Haertlein"
>> <YAK52DRIVER@EARTHLINK.NET>: --------------
>>
>>
>> -- Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
>>
>> Jill
>> Do you have any more of the Russian tires for my 52? I'd like to order
>> two
>>
>> complete sets as the Russian ones I got from you are still going strong
>> and
>> lasting two-three times as long as the Desser tires.
>>
>> Let's face it guys, the Desser tires are way to friggin' soft and wear
>> out
>> too friggin fast. Let's give our bidness to the Russians...........
>>
>> HMMMMMM? I got 65,000 miles on my automotive tires and their still
>> going
>> strong. I got maybe 40-50 landings on my old Desser tires and their
>> history.
>>
>>
>> Trust me...the formulation of Desser rubber sucks!
>> <BR
>>> Thanks
>> Frank
>>
>>
>> <!-- BEGIN WEBMAIL STATIONERY -->
>>
>>
>> <!-- WEBMAIL STATIONERY noneset -->
>> Interesting: I have over 400 hours on my Desser Tires, and they have a
>> lot
>> of tread left... Gary G.
>>
>> -------------- Original message from "Frank Haertlein"
>> yak52driver@earthlink.net: --------------
>>
>>
>> -- Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
>> <YAK52DRIVER@EARTHLINK.NET>
>>
>> Jill
>> Do you have any more of the Russian tires for my 52? I'd like to order
>> two
>> complete sets as the Russian ones I got from you are still going strong
>> and
>>
>> lasting two-three times as long as the Desser tires.
>>
>> Let's face it guys, the Desser tires are way to friggin' soft and wear
>> out
>> too friggin fast. Let's give our bi
>> dness to the Russians...........
>>
>> HMMMMMM? I got 65,000 miles on my automotive tires and their still going
>> strong. I got maybe 40-50 landings on my old Desser tires and their
>> history.
>>
>>
>> Trust me...the formulation of Desser rubber sucks!
>>
>> Tha
>> nks
>> Frank
>>
>>
>> <!-- END WEBMAIL STATIONERY -->
>>
>>
>> <!-- END WEBMAIL STATIONERY -->
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Ernest Martinez wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
>
> Lighten up Brian, it was meant tounge in cheek, ergo the smiley :)
I know Ernie. My posting was meant tongue (check your spelling) in cheek too,
ergo the smiley.
--
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Cliff Umscheid <netmaster15@juno.com>
Jim,
I seem to recall that neither the B-24 nor the B-17 came with anti-skid
brakes, is that correct? After that "Chirp, Chirp" you must be letting
it roll out a while before clamping on the binders. That "BOOM" you hear
coming from the wheel well following the "Chirp, Chirp" is bound to
bring forth an involutary h Sh**"!
Cliff Umscheid
On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 10:03:36 EDT cjpilot710@aol.com writes:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 9/29/2005 9:40:01 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> cjpilot710@aol.com writes:
>
> A little more on tires that I forgot add.
>
> Most tires are made in batches all made and formed from a common
> mix. Mess
> up the ingredients of the mix just a little and you'll have
> different ware
> for that whole batch. Of course one manufacture's mix may be
> better.
>
> Also effecting a tires ware beside the ingredients is the forming
> process.
> If temps and pressure are not right the tire will not wear the
> same. I would
> not doubt that the manufactures have limits on their products and
> they go
> out the door. Just how wide those limits are, is guessing by any
> of us.
>
> If you guys think our tires are expensive - on B-24 and B-17 we pay
> $3,000
> for a new tire. The only two companies in the world that make them,
> do so
> ONLY in batches of 100. We 're-cap' our tires - they can be done
> only once -
> about $1,500. We change tires about 4 times a year.
>
> So you see all things are relative. I think getting up set over
> whether one
> tire is better than another based on one's experiences is silly.
> There are
> too variables involved.
>
> Jim "Chirp chirp" Goolsby
>
>
> Hay guys, Cool it. Lots of things can effect the wear of tires.
> Hard
> surface will eat any tire more so than grass by far. Landing
> technique (
> dare I
> say poor ) will take rubber off. Excessive use of brakes will
> effect wear.
>
> Worse case scenario is landing to fast, hard, with drift, and your
>
> squeezing
> the brake handle. But that's TW101 "Tire Ware 101".
>
> The only way to compare these two tires FARILY is subject them to
> the same
> conditions and importantly the same cycles. I don't know of
> anyone who has
> done that. Yes you can compare what has happened on you airplane
> BUT only
> if
> your mod of operation didn't change and every landing was exactly
> the same.
>
> Personally I've had a little better ware with Desser BUT their
> tubes stink
> in the way they set the valve stem. However if the price was right
> I'd buy
> a
> Russian tire. I operate off a grass strip and about half my
> takeoffs and
> landings are on pavement.
>
> Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: ggg6@att.net
>
> Thank You Mr.Haertlein, I always appreciate being called a "LIAR",
> and for
> You information, I bought the same tire from Desser that anyone
> can buy
> today.. So YOU can take Your trash and STICK IT WHERE THE SUN
> DON"T
> SHINE!!!!
> Need Isay more??? Gary Gabbard
>
> -------------- Original message from "Frank Haertlein"
> <yak52driver@earthlink.net>: --------------
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
> >
> > From practical experience I am but forced to conclude you have
> other than
> > standard Desser tires or, and it pains me to say it, you are
> full of
> bull.
> > Frank
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> ggg6@att.net
> > To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Need Tires
> >
> >
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: ggg6@att.net
> >
> > Interesting: I have over 400 hours on my Desser Tires, and they
> have a
> lot
> > of tread left... Gary G.
> >
> > -------------- Original message from "Frank Haertlein"
> > : --------------
> >
> >
> > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
> > >
> > > Jill
> > > Do you have any more of the Russian tires for my 52? I'd like
> to order
> two
> >
> > > complete sets as the Russian ones I got from you are still
> going strong
> > and
> > > lasting two-three times as long as the Desser tires.
> > >
> > > Let's face it guys, the Desser tires are way to friggin' soft
> and wear
> > > out
> > > too friggin fast. Let's give our bidness to the
> Russians...........
> > >
> > > HMMMMMM? I got 65,000 miles on my automotive tires and their
> still
> > > going
> > > strong. I got maybe 40-50 landings on my old Desser tires and
> their
> > history.
> > >
> > >
> > > Trust me...the formulation of Desser rubber sucks!
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Frank
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Interesting: I have over 400 hours on my Desser Tires, and they
> have a
> lot
> > of tread left... Gary G.
> >
> > -------------- Original message from "Frank Haertlein"
> > yak52driver@earthlink.net: --------------
> >
> >
> > -- Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
> >
> >
> > Jill
> > Do you have any more of the Russian tires for my 52? I'd like to
> order
> two
> > complete sets as the Russian ones I got from you are still going
> strong
> and
> >
> > lasting two-three times as long as the Desser tires.
> >
> > Let's face it guys, the Desser tires are way to friggin' soft
> and wear
> out
> > too friggin fast. Let's give our bidness to the
> Russians...........
> >
> > HMMMMMM? I got 65,000 miles on my automotive tires and their
> still going
> > strong. I got maybe 40-50 landings on my old Desser tires and
> their
> > history.
> >
> >
> > Trust me...the formulation of Desser rubber sucks!
> >
> > Tha
> > nks
> > Frank
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> <!-- BEGIN WEBMAIL STATIONERY -->
>
>
> <!-- WEBMAIL STATIONERY noneset -->
>
>
> Thank You Mr.Haertlein, I always appreciate being called a "LIAR",
> and for
> You information, I bought the same tire from Desser that anyone
> can buy
> today.. So YOU can take Your trash and STICK IT WHERE THE SUN
> DON"T
> SHINE!!!! Need
> Isay more??? Gary Gabbard
>
>
> -------------- Original message from "Frank Haertlein"
> yak52driver@earthlink.net: --------------
>
>
> -- Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
> <YAK52DRIVER@EARTHLINK.NET>
>
> From practical experience I am but forced to conclude you have
> other than
> standard Desser tires or, and it pains me to say it, you are full
> of bull.
> Frank
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> ggg6@att.net
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Need Tires
>
>
> -- Yak-List message posted by: ggg6@att.net
>
> Interesting: I have over 400 hours on my Desser Tires, and they
> have a lot
> of tread left... Gary G.
>
> -------------- Original m
> essage from "Frank Haertlein"
> <YAK52DRIVER@EARTHLINK.NET>: --------------
>
>
> -- Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
>
> Jill
> Do you have any more of the Russian tires for my 52? I'd like to
> order two
>
> complete sets as the Russian ones I got from you are still going
> strong
> and
> lasting two-three times as long as the Desser tires.
>
> Let's face it guys, the Desser tires are way to friggin' soft and
> wear
> out
> too friggin fast. Let's give our bidness to the
> Russians...........
>
> HMMMMMM? I got 65,000 miles on my automotive tires and their still
>
> going
> strong. I got maybe 40-50 landings on my old Desser tires and their
>
> history.
>
>
> Trust me...the formulation of Desser rubber sucks!
> <BR
> > Thanks
> Frank
>
>
> <!-- BEGIN WEBMAIL STATIONERY -->
>
>
> <!-- WEBMAIL STATIONERY noneset -->
> Interesting: I have over 400 hours on my Desser Tires, and they
> have a lot
> of tread left... Gary G.
>
> -------------- Original message from "Frank Haertlein"
> yak52driver@earthlink.net: --------------
>
>
> -- Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
> <YAK52DRIVER@EARTHLINK.NET>
>
> Jill
> Do you have any more of the Russian tires for my 52? I'd like to
> order two
> complete sets as the Russian ones I got from you are still going
> strong and
>
> lasting two-three times as long as the Desser tires.
>
> Let's face it guys, the Desser tires are way to friggin' soft and
> wear out
> too friggin fast. Let's give our bi
> dness to the Russians...........
>
> HMMMMMM? I got 65,000 miles on my automotive tires and their still
> going
> strong. I got maybe 40-50 landings on my old Desser tires and
> their
> history.
>
>
> Trust me...the formulation of Desser rubber sucks!
>
> Tha
> nks
> Frank
>
>
> <!-- END WEBMAIL STATIONERY -->
>
>
> <!-- END WEBMAIL STATIONERY -->
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Nose gear Actuator for CJ6 |
--> Yak-List message posted by: DaBear <dabear@damned.org>
Anyone have a nose gear actuator for a CJ6?
DaBear
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
The type you cut or the type you smoke?
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 9/29/2005 10:40:31 AM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Need Tires
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
>
> I havent changed mine in 3 years, but then again, I takeoff and land
> mostly on grass.
>
> Ernie
>
> On 9/29/05, DaBear <dabear@damned.org> wrote:
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: DaBear <dabear@damned.org>
> >
> > So I have over 200 hours on my Desser Tires and they have good tread
> > left. Hmmm why the difference where some only get limited life?
> >
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Hard to land a hand on that. Navy arrivals called landings that are really
crashes by any other standard.
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: DaBear <dabear@damned.org>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 9/29/2005 10:08:02 AM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Need Tires
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: DaBear <dabear@damned.org>
>
> So I have over 200 hours on my Desser Tires and they have good tread
> left. Hmmm why the difference where some only get limited life?
>
> DaBear
>
> ggg6@att.net wrote:
>
> >--> Yak-List message posted by: ggg6@att.net
> >
> >Interesting: I have over 400 hours on my Desser Tires, and they have a
lot of tread left... Gary G.
> >
> >-------------- Original message from "Frank Haertlein"
<yak52driver@earthlink.net>: --------------
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
> >>
> >>Jill
> >>Do you have any more of the Russian tires for my 52? I'd like to order
two
> >>complete sets as the Russian ones I got from you are still going strong
and
> >>lasting two-three times as long as the Desser tires.
> >>
> >>Let's face it guys, the Desser tires are way to friggin' soft and wear
out
> >>too friggin fast. Let's give our bidness to the Russians...........
> >>
> >>HMMMMMM? I got 65,000 miles on my automotive tires and their still
going
> >>strong. I got maybe 40-50 landings on my old Desser tires and their
history.
> >>
> >>
> >>Trust me...the formulation of Desser rubber sucks!
> >>
> >>Thanks
> >>Frank
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> ><!-- BEGIN WEBMAIL STATIONERY -->
> >
> >
> ><!-- WEBMAIL STATIONERY noneset -->
> >Interesting: I have over 400 hours on my Desser Tires, and they have a
lot of tread left... Gary G.
> >
> >-------------- Original message from "Frank Haertlein"
yak52driver@earthlink.net: --------------
> >
> >
> > -- Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
<YAK52DRIVER@EARTHLINK.NET>
> >
> > Jill
> > Do you have any more of the Russian tires for my 52? I'd like to order
two
> > complete sets as the Russian ones I got from you are still going strong
and
> > lasting two-three times as long as the Desser tires.
> >
> > Let's face it guys, the Desser tires are way to friggin' soft and wear
out
> > too friggin fast. Let's give our bidness to the Russians...........
> >
> > HMMMMMM? I got 65,000 miles on my automotive tires and their still
going
> > strong. I got maybe 40-50 landings on my old Desser tires and their
history.
> >
> >
> > Trust me...the formulation of Desser rubber sucks!
> >
> > Tha
> > nks
> > Frank
> >
> >
> ><!-- END WEBMAIL STATIONERY -->
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
I guest it...this thread is gitt'n stuck on stupid. Oh, sorry meant guessed
it. Next let us look at how many millimeters of rubber we burn off by each
landing. That is so we can determine who crash lands on the web and who
finesses their landings on to the web. Remember, the more rubber you leave
on the numbers is less rubber to taxi back with!
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: ANDREWS <dandmaz@cox.net>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 9/29/2005 10:43:54 AM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: spelling
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "ANDREWS" <dandmaz@cox.net>
>
> I guest some of us are good stick and can fly and some can spell .
> Don Andrews
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jay Land" <jland@popeandland.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: spelling
>
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: Jay Land <jland@popeandland.com>
> >
> > Earnest:
> >
> > Spell checker want ketch those kinds of errors!
> >
> > J
> >
> >
> >> From: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
> >> Reply-To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> >> Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 10:31:21 -0400
> >> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> >> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Need Tires
> >>
> >> --> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
> >>
> >> Damn it Jim, how many times have I got to tell you to use a spell
> >> checker. Its Tire Wear, not ware :)
> >>
> >> Ernie
> >>
> >> On 9/29/05, cjpilot710@aol.com <cjpilot710@aol.com> wrote:
> >>> --> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
> >>>
> >>> In a message dated 9/29/2005 9:40:01 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> >>> cjpilot710@aol.com writes:
> >>>
> >>> A little more on tires that I forgot add.
> >>>
> >>> Most tires are made in batches all made and formed from a common mix.
> >>> Mess
> >>> up the ingredients of the mix just a little and you'll have different
> >>> ware
> >>> for that whole batch. Of course one manufacture's mix may be better.
> >>>
> >>> Also effecting a tires ware beside the ingredients is the forming
> >>> process.
> >>> If temps and pressure are not right the tire will not wear the same.
I
> >>> would
> >>> not doubt that the manufactures have limits on their products and
they
> >>> go
> >>> out the door. Just how wide those limits are, is guessing by any of
> >>> us.
> >>>
> >>> If you guys think our tires are expensive - on B-24 and B-17 we pay
> >>> $3,000
> >>> for a new tire. The only two companies in the world that make them,
do
> >>> so
> >>> ONLY in batches of 100. We 're-cap' our tires - they can be done
only
> >>> once
> >>> -
> >>> about $1,500. We change tires about 4 times a year.
> >>>
> >>> So you see all things are relative. I think getting up set over
whether
> >>> one
> >>> tire is better than another based on one's experiences is silly.
There
> >>> are
> >>> too variables involved.
> >>>
> >>> Jim "Chirp chirp" Goolsby
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Hay guys, Cool it. Lots of things can effect the wear of tires.
> >>> Hard
> >>> surface will eat any tire more so than grass by far. Landing
> >>> technique (
> >>> dare I
> >>> say poor ) will take rubber off. Excessive use of brakes will
effect
> >>> wear.
> >>>
> >>> Worse case scenario is landing to fast, hard, with drift, and your
> >>> squeezing
> >>> the brake handle. But that's TW101 "Tire Ware 101".
> >>>
> >>> The only way to compare these two tires FARILY is subject them to
the
> >>> same
> >>> conditions and importantly the same cycles. I don't know of anyone
> >>> who has
> >>> done that. Yes you can compare what has happened on you airplane
BUT
> >>> only
> >>> if
> >>> your mod of operation didn't change and every landing was exactly
the
> >>> same.
> >>>
> >>> Personally I've had a little better ware with Desser BUT their tubes
> >>> stink
> >>> in the way they set the valve stem. However if the price was right
I'd
> >>> buy
> >>> a
> >>> Russian tire. I operate off a grass strip and about half my
takeoffs
> >>> and
> >>> landings are on pavement.
> >>>
> >>> Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --> Yak-List message posted by: ggg6@att.net
> >>>
> >>> Thank You Mr.Haertlein, I always appreciate being called a "LIAR",
and
> >>> for
> >>> You information, I bought the same tire from Desser that anyone can
> >>> buy
> >>> today.. So YOU can take Your trash and STICK IT WHERE THE SUN DON"T
> >>> SHINE!!!!
> >>> Need Isay more??? Gary Gabbard
> >>>
> >>> -------------- Original message from "Frank Haertlein"
> >>> <yak52driver@earthlink.net>: --------------
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
> >>>>
> >>>> From practical experience I am but forced to conclude you have
other
> >>>> than
> >>>> standard Desser tires or, and it pains me to say it, you are full
of
> >>> bull.
> >>>> Frank
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> >>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> >>>> ggg6@att.net
> >>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> >>>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Need Tires
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --> Yak-List message posted by: ggg6@att.net
> >>>>
> >>>> Interesting: I have over 400 hours on my Desser Tires, and they
have
> >>>> a
> >>> lot
> >>>> of tread left... Gary G.
> >>>>
> >>>> -------------- Original message from "Frank Haertlein"
> >>>> : --------------
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Jill
> >>>>> Do you have any more of the Russian tires for my 52? I'd like to
> >>>>> order
> >>> two
> >>>>
> >>>>> complete sets as the Russian ones I got from you are still going
> >>>>> strong
> >>>> and
> >>>>> lasting two-three times as long as the Desser tires.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Let's face it guys, the Desser tires are way to friggin' soft and
> >>>>> wear
> >>>>> out
> >>>>> too friggin fast. Let's give our bidness to the
Russians...........
> >>>>>
> >>>>> HMMMMMM? I got 65,000 miles on my automotive tires and their still
> >>>>> going
> >>>>> strong. I got maybe 40-50 landings on my old Desser tires and
their
> >>>> history.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Trust me...the formulation of Desser rubber sucks!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks
> >>>>> Frank
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Interesting: I have over 400 hours on my Desser Tires, and they
have
> >>>> a
> >>> lot
> >>>> of tread left... Gary G.
> >>>>
> >>>> -------------- Original message from "Frank Haertlein"
> >>>> yak52driver@earthlink.net: --------------
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -- Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Jill
> >>>> Do you have any more of the Russian tires for my 52? I'd like to
> >>>> order
> >>> two
> >>>> complete sets as the Russian ones I got from you are still going
> >>>> strong
> >>> and
> >>>>
> >>>> lasting two-three times as long as the Desser tires.
> >>>>
> >>>> Let's face it guys, the Desser tires are way to friggin' soft and
> >>>> wear
> >>> out
> >>>> too friggin fast. Let's give our bidness to the Russians...........
> >>>>
> >>>> HMMMMMM? I got 65,000 miles on my automotive tires and their still
> >>>> going
> >>>> strong. I got maybe 40-50 landings on my old Desser tires and their
> >>>> history.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Trust me...the formulation of Desser rubber sucks!
> >>>>
> >>>> Tha
> >>>> nks
> >>>> Frank
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> <!-- BEGIN WEBMAIL STATIONERY -->
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> <!-- WEBMAIL STATIONERY noneset -->
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Thank You Mr.Haertlein, I always appreciate being called a "LIAR",
and
> >>> for
> >>> You information, I bought the same tire from Desser that anyone can
> >>> buy
> >>> today.. So YOU can take Your trash and STICK IT WHERE THE SUN DON"T
> >>> SHINE!!!! Need
> >>> Isay more??? Gary Gabbard
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -------------- Original message from "Frank Haertlein"
> >>> yak52driver@earthlink.net: --------------
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -- Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
> >>> <YAK52DRIVER@EARTHLINK.NET>
> >>>
> >>> From practical experience I am but forced to conclude you have
other
> >>> than
> >>> standard Desser tires or, and it pains me to say it, you are full
of
> >>> bull.
> >>> Frank
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> >>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
ggg6@att.net
> >>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> >>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Need Tires
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -- Yak-List message posted by: ggg6@att.net
> >>>
> >>> Interesting: I have over 400 hours on my Desser Tires, and they
have a
> >>> lot
> >>> of tread left... Gary G.
> >>>
> >>> -------------- Original m
> >>> essage from "Frank Haertlein"
> >>> <YAK52DRIVER@EARTHLINK.NET>: --------------
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -- Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
> >>>
> >>> Jill
> >>> Do you have any more of the Russian tires for my 52? I'd like to
order
> >>> two
> >>>
> >>> complete sets as the Russian ones I got from you are still going
> >>> strong
> >>> and
> >>> lasting two-three times as long as the Desser tires.
> >>>
> >>> Let's face it guys, the Desser tires are way to friggin' soft and
wear
> >>> out
> >>> too friggin fast. Let's give our bidness to the Russians...........
> >>>
> >>> HMMMMMM? I got 65,000 miles on my automotive tires and their still
> >>> going
> >>> strong. I got maybe 40-50 landings on my old Desser tires and their
> >>> history.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Trust me...the formulation of Desser rubber sucks!
> >>> <BR
> >>>> Thanks
> >>> Frank
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> <!-- BEGIN WEBMAIL STATIONERY -->
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> <!-- WEBMAIL STATIONERY noneset -->
> >>> Interesting: I have over 400 hours on my Desser Tires, and they
have a
> >>> lot
> >>> of tread left... Gary G.
> >>>
> >>> -------------- Original message from "Frank Haertlein"
> >>> yak52driver@earthlink.net: --------------
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -- Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
> >>> <YAK52DRIVER@EARTHLINK.NET>
> >>>
> >>> Jill
> >>> Do you have any more of the Russian tires for my 52? I'd like to
order
> >>> two
> >>> complete sets as the Russian ones I got from you are still going
> >>> strong and
> >>>
> >>> lasting two-three times as long as the Desser tires.
> >>>
> >>> Let's face it guys, the Desser tires are way to friggin' soft and
wear
> >>> out
> >>> too friggin fast. Let's give our bi
> >>> dness to the Russians...........
> >>>
> >>> HMMMMMM? I got 65,000 miles on my automotive tires and their still
> >>> going
> >>> strong. I got maybe 40-50 landings on my old Desser tires and their
> >>> history.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Trust me...the formulation of Desser rubber sucks!
> >>>
> >>> Tha
> >>> nks
> >>> Frank
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> <!-- END WEBMAIL STATIONERY -->
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> <!-- END WEBMAIL STATIONERY -->
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Exhaust tip Survey |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <cpayne@joimail.com>
Some folks have already extended their Exhaust outlets. Now that I have 3" dia
SS material in I need to know how much longer to extend. My sense is that 4-1/2"
to 6" will get the smoke down under the wing in cruise. Nothing would help
when pulling "G's" except a Harvard-type winter kit. Not doing that.
Craig Payne
cpayne@joimail.com
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| Subject: | Re: Exhaust tip Survey |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Walter Lannon" <wlannon@cablerocket.com>
Craig;
That won't help either. I have a Harvard 4 with smoke and the original
heater system. The smoke still comes in from fillet panels and other holes
in the aft section and rolls forward inside the aircraft.
I built the smoke system 20 years ago and sealed all the fillets and panels
at the time. It was virtually leak free for a few years but has since
deteriorated to it's present smoky state.
With the Harvard or T6 exhaust the smoke exits above the wing in exactly the
same position. The airflow over the wing (with the T6) keeps the smoke in
contact until about the same position as the Harvard exhaust outlet.
The harvard exhaust has a negative - costs 4 Kts in cruise - but I fly in
shirt sleeves in winter while my T6 buddies are freezing their (
&*($ off. -
Might work for the CJ????
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Craig Payne" <cpayne@joimail.com>
Subject: Yak-List: Exhaust tip Survey
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <cpayne@joimail.com>
>
> Some folks have already extended their Exhaust outlets. Now that I have 3"
> dia SS material in I need to know how much longer to extend. My sense is
> that 4-1/2" to 6" will get the smoke down under the wing in cruise.
> Nothing would help when pulling "G's" except a Harvard-type winter kit.
> Not doing that.
>
>
> Craig Payne
> cpayne@joimail.com
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Exhaust tip Survey |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Rob Mortara" <rob@robinhill.com>
If you extend the exhaust would there be a problem removing the lower cowl
rob
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Craig Payne
Subject: Yak-List: Exhaust tip Survey
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <cpayne@joimail.com>
Some folks have already extended their Exhaust outlets. Now that I have 3"
dia SS material in I need to know how much longer to extend. My sense is
that 4-1/2" to 6" will get the smoke down under the wing in cruise. Nothing
would help when pulling "G's" except a Harvard-type winter kit. Not doing
that.
Craig Payne
cpayne@joimail.com
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| Subject: | Re: Nose gear Actuator for CJ6 |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim and Vivian" <jimscjs@mbay.net>
Yes
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "DaBear" <dabear@damned.org>
To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 10:53 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Nose gear Actuator for CJ6
> --> Yak-List message posted by: DaBear <dabear@damned.org>
>
> Anyone have a nose gear actuator for a CJ6?
>
> DaBear
>
>
>
>
>
>
----
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| Subject: | Re: Exhaust tip Survey |
--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
In a message dated 9/29/2005 6:48:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
wlannon@cablerocket.com writes:
Today I spent the day resealing my exhaust system joints. I used 4
different methods. On two joints I applied muffler patch tape under the clamps
and
over the thin stainless steel bands. On one I used a white glass high temp
tape over the gap, with a stainless steel band on top than sealed with the
muffler patch tape. On the last two I used two different bands of paste one
black the other white, that are suppose to seal exhaust systems.
I am trying to get all the exhaust gas to go out the pipes and keep as much
clean air in the inside the cowl as possible.
The material are supposed to harden over night so I hope to run the engine
tomorrow and see what happens with these joints. If none of them leak, I'll
leave them be, to see how well they hold up.
BTW the wife and I are heading to Massachusetts this week-end for Rob &
Caroline Collings wedding reception at the foundation. They were married in
Sweden (she's Swedish) the first of the month but decided to have the reception
back home after their honeymoon. Besides a fly over of the bombers; a bunch
of other foundation airplanes are supposed to take part. Including the F-4!
Should be quite a bash!
BTW Yep there is no anti skid on the B-17 or B-24. To much brake on the 17
will put you right on you nose (snap) like that. On the 24 you'll most
likely brake something in the nose wheel structure. Its not strong at all. Both
airplane have a real fade problem if they get to hot. Built just like the
Yaks and CJs except use fluid. Both aircraft have 88 brake pads per wheel at
$35.00 per pad.
Jim " Pappy Chirp Chirp" Goolsby :-}
Craig;
That won't help either. I have a Harvard 4 with smoke and the original
heater system. The smoke still comes in from fillet panels and other holes
in the aft section and rolls forward inside the aircraft.
I built the smoke system 20 years ago and sealed all the fillets and panels
at the time. It was virtually leak free for a few years but has since
deteriorated to it's present smoky state.
With the Harvard or T6 exhaust the smoke exits above the wing in exactly the
same position. The airflow over the wing (with the T6) keeps the smoke in
contact until about the same position as the Harvard exhaust outlet.
The harvard exhaust has a negative - costs 4 Kts in cruise - but I fly in
shirt sleeves in winter while my T6 buddies are freezing their (
&*($ off. -
Might work for the CJ????
Walt
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" <cpayne@joimail.com>
>
> Some folks have already extended their Exhaust outlets. Now that I have 3"
> dia SS material in I need to know how much longer to extend. My sense is
> that 4-1/2" to 6" will get the smoke down under the wing in cruise.
> Nothing would help when pulling "G's" except a Harvard-type winter kit.
> Not doing that.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Exhaust tip Survey |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Agree with Pappy. Need to get the gases out of the engine compartment. If
we have uncontaminated air in the engine compartment, then it will not be
exiting thru the gills and be sucked into the cockpit. Granted at high
alpha, the airflow will be over the wing and sucked into the cockpit. We
will find out tomorrow when Pappy flies with a totally sealed exhaust
system. If this does not lower the CO content in the cockpit, then we have
to look at things that scrub the
CO. All of which require moisture and heat since they are a catalyst. The
CO will be changed to CO2 after passing thru the catalyst. The CO2 (carbon
dioxide) then has to be farther filtered thru Soda Lime to remove the CO2.
The above system is a catalytic converter that is found on your own
automobiles with a slight twist. That being Metalulit. Finding the
substance for purchase has been a challenge.
Doc
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