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Fri 09/30/05


Total Messages Posted: 7



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     1. 01:08 PM - Exhaust seal test. (cjpilot710@aol.com)
     2. 01:13 PM - Sean Carroll  (Brian Lloyd)
     3. 01:18 PM - Re: Need Tires (Jon Boede)
     4. 06:07 PM - Re: Need Tires (Frank Haertlein)
     5. 06:26 PM - Re: Need Tires (Frank Haertlein)
     6. 07:34 PM - YAK-LIST...Google Earth...a neat program (Frank Haertlein)
     7. 11:00 PM - Need Tires (Kids grow up) Buy Desser Re-caps and SHUT UP!!!!!! (Mark Schrick)
 
 
 


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    Time: 01:08:54 PM PST US
    From: cjpilot710@aol.com
    Subject: Exhaust seal test.
    --> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com I ran up my M-14p with the different exhaust joint seal. I can tell you right away that "Walker acousti/seal #35959" (from NAPA) don't work. At least not the way I applied it. This a black tar like paste that needs to dry for 24 hours. Yesterday I applied it around the joint than put a stainless steel strip wrapped around the gap and than clamped it down. It didn't last one minute. All the other seals seem to be doing OK (tight) except for one that has a slight leak. This is one with muffler tape wrapped right around the gap, then a stainless steel strip over it and clamped down. I'll keep track of the others for a while. After I get back from MA this week end, I plan on resealing that leaky joint using one of the other methods and than doing a CO flight test using the same data points. Jim "Pappy" Goolsby


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    Time: 01:13:33 PM PST US
    From: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
    Subject: Sean Carroll
    --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com> If Sean Carroll has failed to pay you for parts or services, or has been extremely delinquent in paying you, please contact me off list. I know of a couple of you but I suspect there are more. -- Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr. brian-yak@lloyd.com Folsom, CA 95630 +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax) I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . . - Antoine de Saint-Exupery


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    Time: 01:18:29 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Need Tires
    From: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net>
    --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net> Never ask binary questions in jest... the answer to this below question is, of course, "Yes". I am just coming up on 1,100 hours and I need my third set of tires Really Soon Now. So I'll believe that somebody can get 400 hours on a set of Desser tires. Jon > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com> > > The type you cut or the type you smoke? > Doc > > >> [Original Message] >> From: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com> >> To: <yak-list@matronics.com> >> Date: 9/29/2005 10:40:31 AM >> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Need Tires >> >> --> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com> >> >> I havent changed mine in 3 years, but then again, I takeoff and land >> mostly on grass. >> >> Ernie >> >> On 9/29/05, DaBear <dabear@damned.org> wrote: >> > --> Yak-List message posted by: DaBear <dabear@damned.org> >> > >> > So I have over 200 hours on my Desser Tires and they have good tread >> > left. Hmmm why the difference where some only get limited life? >> > >> >> > >


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    Time: 06:07:43 PM PST US
    From: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Need Tires
    --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net> Thank You Mr. Gabbard. You are correct.... Desser tires are the best that money can buy! And someday pigs will fly too. I'm sick and "tired" of always ordering and changing my "superior" Desser tires. The engineers at Desser know full well what it takes to make a tire last but they won't do it. Ask yourself WHY? Frank -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ggg6@att.net Subject: RE: Yak-List: Need Tires --> Yak-List message posted by: ggg6@att.net Thank You Mr.Haertlein, I always appreciate being called a "LIAR", and for You information, I bought the same tire from Desser that anyone can buy today.. So YOU can take Your trash and STICK IT WHERE THE SUN DON"T SHINE!!!! Need Isay more??? Gary Gabbard -------------- Original message from "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>: -------------- > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" > > From practical experience I am but forced to conclude you have other > than > standard Desser tires or, and it pains me to say it, you are full of bull. > Frank > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ggg6@att.net > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Need Tires > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: ggg6@att.net > > Interesting: I have over 400 hours on my Desser Tires, and they have a > lot > of tread left... Gary G. > > -------------- Original message from "Frank Haertlein" > : -------------- > > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" > > > > Jill > > Do you have any more of the Russian tires for my 52? I'd like to order two > > > complete sets as the Russian ones I got from you are still going > > strong > and > > lasting two-three times as long as the Desser tires. > > > > Let's face it guys, the Desser tires are way to friggin' soft and > > wear > > out > > too friggin fast. Let's give our bidness to the Russians........... > > > > HMMMMMM? I got 65,000 miles on my automotive tires and their still > > going > > strong. I got maybe 40-50 landings on my old Desser tires and their > history. > > > > > > Trust me...the formulation of Desser rubber sucks! > > > > Thanks > > Frank > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Interesting: I have over 400 hours on my Desser Tires, and they have a > lot > of tread left... Gary G. > > -------------- Original message from "Frank Haertlein" > yak52driver@earthlink.net: -------------- > > > -- Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" > > > Jill > Do you have any more of the Russian tires for my 52? I'd like to order two > complete sets as the Russian ones I got from you are still going strong and > > lasting two-three times as long as the Desser tires. > > Let's face it guys, the Desser tires are way to friggin' soft and wear > out > too friggin fast. Let's give our bidness to the Russians........... > > HMMMMMM? I got 65,000 miles on my automotive tires and their still > going > strong. I got maybe 40-50 landings on my old Desser tires and their > history. > > > Trust me...the formulation of Desser rubber sucks! > > Tha > nks > Frank > > > > > > > > > <!-- BEGIN WEBMAIL STATIONERY --> <!-- WEBMAIL STATIONERY noneset --> Thank You Mr.Haertlein, I always appreciate being called a "LIAR", and for You information, I bought the same tire from Desser that anyone can buy today.. So YOU can take Your trash and STICK IT WHERE THE SUN DON"T SHINE!!!! Need Isay more??? Gary Gabbard -------------- Original message from "Frank Haertlein" yak52driver@earthlink.net: -------------- -- Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <YAK52DRIVER@EARTHLINK.NET> From practical experience I am but forced to conclude you have other than standard Desser tires or, and it pains me to say it, you are full of bull. Frank -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ggg6@att.net To: yak-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: Need Tires -- Yak-List message posted by: ggg6@att.net Interesting: I have over 400 hours on my Desser Tires, and they have a lot of tread left... Gary G. -------------- Original m essage from "Frank Haertlein" <YAK52DRIVER@EARTHLINK.NET>: -------------- -- Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" Jill Do you have any more of the Russian tires for my 52? I'd like to order two complete sets as the Russian ones I got from you are still going strong and lasting two-three times as long as the Desser tires. Let's face it guys, the Desser tires are way to friggin' soft and wear out too friggin fast. Let's give our bidness to the Russians........... HMMMMMM? I got 65,000 miles on my automotive tires and their still going strong. I got maybe 40-50 landings on my old Desser tires and their history. Trust me...the formulation of Desser rubber sucks! <BR > Thanks Frank <!-- BEGIN WEBMAIL STATIONERY --> <!-- WEBMAIL STATIONERY noneset --> Interesting: I have over 400 hours on my Desser Tires, and they have a lot of tread left... Gary G. -------------- Original message from "Frank Haertlein" yak52driver@earthlink.net: -------------- -- Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <YAK52DRIVER@EARTHLINK.NET> Jill Do you have any more of the Russian tires for my 52? I'd like to order two complete sets as the Russian ones I got from you are still going strong and lasting two-three times as long as the Desser tires. Let's face it guys, the Desser tires are way to friggin' soft and wear out too friggin fast. Let's give our bi dness to the Russians........... HMMMMMM? I got 65,000 miles on my automotive tires and their still going strong. I got maybe 40-50 landings on my old Desser tires and their history. Trust me...the formulation of Desser rubber sucks! Tha nks Frank <!-- END WEBMAIL STATIONERY --> <!-- END WEBMAIL STATIONERY -->


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    Time: 06:26:03 PM PST US
    From: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Need Tires
    --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net> Pappy Get the Russian tire. In the words of a fellow YAK-LIST poster "they're hell-bent-for-leather-strong". Literally, I was getting sick and tired of changing my tires all the time. I'd be glad to pay twice as much if they lasted three times as long. Someone needs to convince Desser to use a better formulation. We got heavier airplanes that land a little faster than your normal spam-can so we need tires with a little more sturdy formulation. Someone needs to get that thru the head of the owner of Desser! Frank -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cjpilot710@aol.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: Need Tires --> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com In a message dated 9/29/2005 2:42:41 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ggg6@att.net writes: Hay guys, Cool it. Lots of things can effect the wear of tires. Hard surface will eat any tire more so than grass by far. Landing technique ( dare I say poor ) will take rubber off. Excessive use of brakes will effect wear. Worse case scenario is landing to fast, hard, with drift, and your squeezing the brake handle. But that's TW101 "Tire Ware 101". The only way to compare these two tires FARILY is subject them to the same conditions and importantly the same cycles. I don't know of anyone who has done that. Yes you can compare what has happened on you airplane BUT only if your mod of operation didn't change and every landing was exactly the same. Personally I've had a little better ware with Desser BUT their tubes stink in the way they set the valve stem. However if the price was right I'd buy a Russian tire. I operate off a grass strip and about half my takeoffs and landings are on pavement. Jim "Pappy" Goolsby --> Yak-List message posted by: ggg6@att.net Thank You Mr.Haertlein, I always appreciate being called a "LIAR", and for You information, I bought the same tire from Desser that anyone can buy today.. So YOU can take Your trash and STICK IT WHERE THE SUN DON"T SHINE!!!! Need Isay more??? Gary Gabbard -------------- Original message from "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>: -------------- > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" > > From practical experience I am but forced to conclude you have other > than > standard Desser tires or, and it pains me to say it, you are full of bull. > Frank > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ggg6@att.net > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Need Tires > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: ggg6@att.net > > Interesting: I have over 400 hours on my Desser Tires, and they have > a lot > of tread left... Gary G. > > -------------- Original message from "Frank Haertlein" > : -------------- > > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" > > > > Jill > > Do you have any more of the Russian tires for my 52? I'd like to order two > > > complete sets as the Russian ones I got from you are still going > > strong > and > > lasting two-three times as long as the Desser tires. > > > > Let's face it guys, the Desser tires are way to friggin' soft and > > wear > > out > > too friggin fast. Let's give our bidness to the Russians........... > > > > HMMMMMM? I got 65,000 miles on my automotive tires and their still > > going > > strong. I got maybe 40-50 landings on my old Desser tires and their > history. > > > > > > Trust me...the formulation of Desser rubber sucks! > > > > Thanks > > Frank > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Interesting: I have over 400 hours on my Desser Tires, and they have > a lot > of tread left... Gary G. > > -------------- Original message from "Frank Haertlein" > yak52driver@earthlink.net: -------------- > > > -- Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" > > > Jill > Do you have any more of the Russian tires for my 52? I'd like to order two > complete sets as the Russian ones I got from you are still going strong and > > lasting two-three times as long as the Desser tires. > > Let's face it guys, the Desser tires are way to friggin' soft and > wear out > too friggin fast. Let's give our bidness to the Russians........... > > HMMMMMM? I got 65,000 miles on my automotive tires and their still > going > strong. I got maybe 40-50 landings on my old Desser tires and their > history. > > > Trust me...the formulation of Desser rubber sucks! > > Tha > nks > Frank > > > > > > > > > <!-- BEGIN WEBMAIL STATIONERY --> <!-- WEBMAIL STATIONERY noneset --> Thank You Mr.Haertlein, I always appreciate being called a "LIAR", and for You information, I bought the same tire from Desser that anyone can buy today.. So YOU can take Your trash and STICK IT WHERE THE SUN DON"T SHINE!!!! Need Isay more??? Gary Gabbard -------------- Original message from "Frank Haertlein" yak52driver@earthlink.net: -------------- -- Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <YAK52DRIVER@EARTHLINK.NET> From practical experience I am but forced to conclude you have other than standard Desser tires or, and it pains me to say it, you are full of bull. Frank -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ggg6@att.net Subject: Re: Yak-List: Need Tires -- Yak-List message posted by: ggg6@att.net Interesting: I have over 400 hours on my Desser Tires, and they have a lot of tread left... Gary G. -------------- Original m essage from "Frank Haertlein" <YAK52DRIVER@EARTHLINK.NET>: -------------- -- Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" Jill Do you have any more of the Russian tires for my 52? I'd like to order two complete sets as the Russian ones I got from you are still going strong and lasting two-three times as long as the Desser tires. Let's face it guys, the Desser tires are way to friggin' soft and wear out too friggin fast. Let's give our bidness to the Russians........... HMMMMMM? I got 65,000 miles on my automotive tires and their still going strong. I got maybe 40-50 landings on my old Desser tires and their history. Trust me...the formulation of Desser rubber sucks! <BR > Thanks Frank <!-- BEGIN WEBMAIL STATIONERY --> <!-- WEBMAIL STATIONERY noneset --> Interesting: I have over 400 hours on my Desser Tires, and they have a lot of tread left... Gary G. -------------- Original message from "Frank Haertlein" yak52driver@earthlink.net: -------------- -- Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <YAK52DRIVER@EARTHLINK.NET> Jill Do you have any more of the Russian tires for my 52? I'd like to order two complete sets as the Russian ones I got from you are still going strong and lasting two-three times as long as the Desser tires. Let's face it guys, the Desser tires are way to friggin' soft and wear out too friggin fast. Let's give our bi dness to the Russians........... HMMMMMM? I got 65,000 miles on my automotive tires and their still going strong. I got maybe 40-50 landings on my old Desser tires and their history. Trust me...the formulation of Desser rubber sucks! Tha nks Frank <!-- END WEBMAIL STATIONERY --> <!-- END WEBMAIL STATIONERY -->


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    Time: 07:34:17 PM PST US
    From: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
    Subject: YAK-LIST...Google Earth...a neat program
    --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net> Yakers Check out and download Google Earth. http://earth.google.com It's one hell of a neat program to explore our earth with. You can even see your property or airport at 1 meter resolution. Frank


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    Time: 11:00:48 PM PST US
    From: "Mark Schrick" <schrick@pacbell.net>
    Subject: Need Tires (Kids grow up) Buy Desser Re-caps and SHUT UP!!!!!!
    --> Yak-List message posted by: "Mark Schrick" <schrick@pacbell.net> Ok Ok Ok, now I see a bet coming down the pike. If you are saying that the Russian or Chinese tires last longer than the Desser tires on Concrete or pavement. I am ready to place the bet....... Desser tires or better yet their Re-caps last longer than the Russian rubber and have the Russian documents that show they make a softer tire for a reason. GRASS does not need HARD tires and the Russian wanted to compounds to be soft for better friction or grabbing power on grass. TAKE THE BET. You will lose but TAKE THE BET!!!! If someone can make a better tire than Desser.....then do it and we will buy from you. If not shut up and move on. This group acts like a two year old sometimes.....Bitch about higher gas than f'en tires. Buy Desser recaps and don't touch them for 150 hours of flight PERIOD. Hope the kids in the back read and hear this. ******************************************************************** Mark -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frank Haertlein Subject: RE: Yak-List: Need Tires --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net> Pappy Get the Russian tire. In the words of a fellow YAK-LIST poster "they're hell-bent-for-leather-strong". Literally, I was getting sick and tired of changing my tires all the time. I'd be glad to pay twice as much if they lasted three times as long. Someone needs to convince Desser to use a better formulation. We got heavier airplanes that land a little faster than your normal spam-can so we need tires with a little more sturdy formulation. Someone needs to get that thru the head of the owner of Desser! Frank -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cjpilot710@aol.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: Need Tires --> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com In a message dated 9/29/2005 2:42:41 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ggg6@att.net writes: Hay guys, Cool it. Lots of things can effect the wear of tires. Hard surface will eat any tire more so than grass by far. Landing technique ( dare I say poor ) will take rubber off. Excessive use of brakes will effect wear. Worse case scenario is landing to fast, hard, with drift, and your squeezing the brake handle. But that's TW101 "Tire Ware 101". The only way to compare these two tires FARILY is subject them to the same conditions and importantly the same cycles. I don't know of anyone who has done that. Yes you can compare what has happened on you airplane BUT only if your mod of operation didn't change and every landing was exactly the same. Personally I've had a little better ware with Desser BUT their tubes stink in the way they set the valve stem. However if the price was right I'd buy a Russian tire. I operate off a grass strip and about half my takeoffs and landings are on pavement. Jim "Pappy" Goolsby --> Yak-List message posted by: ggg6@att.net Thank You Mr.Haertlein, I always appreciate being called a "LIAR", and for You information, I bought the same tire from Desser that anyone can buy today.. So YOU can take Your trash and STICK IT WHERE THE SUN DON"T SHINE!!!! Need Isay more??? Gary Gabbard -------------- Original message from "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>: -------------- > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" > > From practical experience I am but forced to conclude you have other > than > standard Desser tires or, and it pains me to say it, you are full of bull. > Frank > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ggg6@att.net > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Need Tires > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: ggg6@att.net > > Interesting: I have over 400 hours on my Desser Tires, and they have > a lot > of tread left... Gary G. > > -------------- Original message from "Frank Haertlein" > : -------------- > > > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" > > > > Jill > > Do you have any more of the Russian tires for my 52? I'd like to order two > > > complete sets as the Russian ones I got from you are still going > > strong > and > > lasting two-three times as long as the Desser tires. > > > > Let's face it guys, the Desser tires are way to friggin' soft and > > wear > > out > > too friggin fast. Let's give our bidness to the Russians........... > > > > HMMMMMM? I got 65,000 miles on my automotive tires and their still > > going > > strong. I got maybe 40-50 landings on my old Desser tires and their > history. > > > > > > Trust me...the formulation of Desser rubber sucks! > > > > Thanks > > Frank > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Interesting: I have over 400 hours on my Desser Tires, and they have > a lot > of tread left... Gary G. > > -------------- Original message from "Frank Haertlein" > yak52driver@earthlink.net: -------------- > > > -- Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" > > > Jill > Do you have any more of the Russian tires for my 52? I'd like to order two > complete sets as the Russian ones I got from you are still going strong and > > lasting two-three times as long as the Desser tires. > > Let's face it guys, the Desser tires are way to friggin' soft and > wear out > too friggin fast. Let's give our bidness to the Russians........... > > HMMMMMM? I got 65,000 miles on my automotive tires and their still > going > strong. I got maybe 40-50 landings on my old Desser tires and their > history. > > > Trust me...the formulation of Desser rubber sucks! > > Tha > nks > Frank > > > > > > > > > <!-- BEGIN WEBMAIL STATIONERY --> <!-- WEBMAIL STATIONERY noneset --> Thank You Mr.Haertlein, I always appreciate being called a "LIAR", and for You information, I bought the same tire from Desser that anyone can buy today.. So YOU can take Your trash and STICK IT WHERE THE SUN DON"T SHINE!!!! Need Isay more??? Gary Gabbard -------------- Original message from "Frank Haertlein" yak52driver@earthlink.net: -------------- -- Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <YAK52DRIVER@EARTHLINK.NET> From practical experience I am but forced to conclude you have other than standard Desser tires or, and it pains me to say it, you are full of bull. Frank -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ggg6@att.net Subject: Re: Yak-List: Need Tires -- Yak-List message posted by: ggg6@att.net Interesting: I have over 400 hours on my Desser Tires, and they have a lot of tread left... Gary G. -------------- Original m essage from "Frank Haertlein" <YAK52DRIVER@EARTHLINK.NET>: -------------- -- Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" Jill Do you have any more of the Russian tires for my 52? I'd like to order two complete sets as the Russian ones I got from you are still going strong and lasting two-three times as long as the Desser tires. Let's face it guys, the Desser tires are way to friggin' soft and wear out too friggin fast. Let's give our bidness to the Russians........... HMMMMMM? I got 65,000 miles on my automotive tires and their still going strong. I got maybe 40-50 landings on my old Desser tires and their history. Trust me...the formulation of Desser rubber sucks! <BR > Thanks Frank <!-- BEGIN WEBMAIL STATIONERY --> <!-- WEBMAIL STATIONERY noneset --> Interesting: I have over 400 hours on my Desser Tires, and they have a lot of tread left... Gary G. -------------- Original message from "Frank Haertlein" yak52driver@earthlink.net: -------------- -- Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <YAK52DRIVER@EARTHLINK.NET> Jill Do you have any more of the Russian tires for my 52? I'd like to order two complete sets as the Russian ones I got from you are still going strong and lasting two-three times as long as the Desser tires. Let's face it guys, the Desser tires are way to friggin' soft and wear out too friggin fast. Let's give our bi dness to the Russians........... HMMMMMM? I got 65,000 miles on my automotive tires and their still going strong. I got maybe 40-50 landings on my old Desser tires and their history. Trust me...the formulation of Desser rubber sucks! Tha nks Frank <!-- END WEBMAIL STATIONERY --> <!-- END WEBMAIL STATIONERY -->




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