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1. 12:25 AM - Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] (dralle@matronics.com)
2. 06:17 AM - Re: Blubbering (A. Dennis Savarese)
3. 08:19 AM - Re: Blubbering (Roger Kemp)
4. 09:22 AM - Re: Blubbering (Bob Fitzpatrick)
5. 12:03 PM - Re: Blubbering (Roger Kemp)
6. 12:06 PM - radio wiring ()
7. 12:32 PM - Re: Blubbering (David Marsh)
8. 05:17 PM - WHAT A BASH!!! (cjpilot710@aol.com)
9. 06:38 PM - Re: WHAT A BASH!!! (Jeff Linebaugh)
10. 09:21 PM - Re: WHAT A BASH!!! (Roger Kemp)
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
Could be possibly two things.
- Bad wire in the wiring harness; replace with the automotive plugs and
wires conversion kit.
- Bad coil in one of the mags; you'll have to determine which mag the
misfiring is associated with or you'll end up removing and replacing both
mags.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Fitzpatrick" <rmfitz@direcway.com>
Subject: Yak-List: Blubbering
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Bob Fitzpatrick <rmfitz@direcway.com>
>
> Yakkers;
>
> In 5 yrs of M14 yak flying the possibility of a "blubber" on take-off
> has been a given. The guy that sold me the airplane warned me about it
> and i warn my GIBs. I always thought it was loading of the lower
> cylinders or something like that and just lived with it. Now the
> experience is getting more frequent and prolonged. People on the ground
> are noticing. Used to be i'd get a little miss at 500' when climbing
> out, now it's at 200' and lasts for 10 sec. Oil & fuel pressure stay
> solid, can't say abt RPM & MP since the needles are longer and they are
> shaking too much at that point to be conclusive .It's always momentary
> and does not repeat during all the unusual attitudes of the following
> acro flight which should eliminate a lot of possibilities. I'm
> religious about having temps in the green prior to take off. If the
> plugs are shorting out due to extended run-up/warm up then what would
> make them heal themselves in a matter of seconds? What going on? TIA.
>
> bob
> Boris 52BN
>
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Bob,
Does it occure only on Take Off at what % RPM and mmHg manifold pressure?
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: Bob Fitzpatrick <rmfitz@direcway.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 10/2/2005 12:11:55 AM
> Subject: Yak-List: Blubbering
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Bob Fitzpatrick <rmfitz@direcway.com>
>
> Yakkers;
>
> In 5 yrs of M14 yak flying the possibility of a "blubber" on take-off
> has been a given. The guy that sold me the airplane warned me about it
> and i warn my GIBs. I always thought it was loading of the lower
> cylinders or something like that and just lived with it. Now the
> experience is getting more frequent and prolonged. People on the ground
> are noticing. Used to be i'd get a little miss at 500' when climbing
> out, now it's at 200' and lasts for 10 sec. Oil & fuel pressure stay
> solid, can't say abt RPM & MP since the needles are longer and they are
> shaking too much at that point to be conclusive .It's always momentary
> and does not repeat during all the unusual attitudes of the following
> acro flight which should eliminate a lot of possibilities. I'm
> religious about having temps in the green prior to take off. If the
> plugs are shorting out due to extended run-up/warm up then what would
> make them heal themselves in a matter of seconds? What going on? TIA.
>
> bob
> Boris 52BN
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Bob Fitzpatrick <rmfitz@direcway.com>
Doc,
Only on take off, full power: 85 MP & 98% RPM. I often leave the
throttle wide open during an entire flight (RPM back to 80- 85%) with a
lot of climbs similar to take off but without the roughness.
bob
Roger Kemp wrote:
>--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>
>Bob,
>Does it occure only on Take Off at what % RPM and mmHg manifold pressure?
>Doc
>
>
>
>
>>[Original Message]
>>From: Bob Fitzpatrick <rmfitz@direcway.com>
>>To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
>>Date: 10/2/2005 12:11:55 AM
>>Subject: Yak-List: Blubbering
>>
>>--> Yak-List message posted by: Bob Fitzpatrick <rmfitz@direcway.com>
>>
>>Yakkers;
>>
>>In 5 yrs of M14 yak flying the possibility of a "blubber" on take-off
>>has been a given. The guy that sold me the airplane warned me about it
>>and i warn my GIBs. I always thought it was loading of the lower
>>cylinders or something like that and just lived with it. Now the
>>experience is getting more frequent and prolonged. People on the ground
>>are noticing. Used to be i'd get a little miss at 500' when climbing
>>out, now it's at 200' and lasts for 10 sec. Oil & fuel pressure stay
>>solid, can't say abt RPM & MP since the needles are longer and they are
>>shaking too much at that point to be conclusive .It's always momentary
>>and does not repeat during all the unusual attitudes of the following
>>acro flight which should eliminate a lot of possibilities. I'm
>>religious about having temps in the green prior to take off. If the
>>plugs are shorting out due to extended run-up/warm up then what would
>>make them heal themselves in a matter of seconds? What going on? TIA.
>>
>>bob
>>Boris 52BN
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Bob,
Are your fuel filters clean? For some reason you are loading up the plugs.
Strange that it is only on Take Off. Dennis reccomends changing the plug
wires and plugs. There is a plug wire conversion kit out there that the
Sukoi guys are using. Great thing about it is that you use US plugs. At a
hundred hours or so, throw them away and put in new ones. If I had not
purchased a set of Chinese ones after we (Dennis) found that I had some
failing plugs out of the box from X the pond. My symptoms occured almost
exactly 20 min into flight and the engine violently miss-fired. Caught
right back up and did not do it agian until another 20 min. passed (if I
stayed in the air that long!). It turned out that I had a bad coil in my #2
mag.
The only reason I ever saw a rough engine on take off was while we were
sorting out the mag problem and had been sent a centriple advance mag
stamped with the wrong nomenclature.
Sorry to say, I do not have an answer for this. As a simple fix, try
spraying silicone down the wiring harnesses before your next flight. The
Russian wires will dry and arch sometimes. Seems it would be a more
regular miss-fire if it we in the spark though. The other thing is it could
be an intermittantly sticking valve on the lower dependant cylinders that
clears after a few minutes at high RPM.
To be truthful, before I personally would take that aircraft back airborne
until I sorted this out. Try lubricating the plug wires with silicone and
do a high speed taxi test on the runway. Push it up to take off RPM but
pull it back before actual TO. You just need 2 times the take off distance
to stop the aircraft on the runway (or a BAK 12 and a hook). Kidding.
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: Bob Fitzpatrick <rmfitz@direcway.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 10/2/2005 11:21:33 AM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Blubbering
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Bob Fitzpatrick <rmfitz@direcway.com>
>
> Doc,
> Only on take off, full power: 85 MP & 98% RPM. I often leave the
> throttle wide open during an entire flight (RPM back to 80- 85%) with a
> lot of climbs similar to take off but without the roughness.
> bob
>
> Roger Kemp wrote:
>
> >--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> >
> >Bob,
> >Does it occure only on Take Off at what % RPM and mmHg manifold pressure?
> >Doc
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>[Original Message]
> >>From: Bob Fitzpatrick <rmfitz@direcway.com>
> >>To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> >>Date: 10/2/2005 12:11:55 AM
> >>Subject: Yak-List: Blubbering
> >>
> >>--> Yak-List message posted by: Bob Fitzpatrick <rmfitz@direcway.com>
> >>
> >>Yakkers;
> >>
> >>In 5 yrs of M14 yak flying the possibility of a "blubber" on take-off
> >>has been a given. The guy that sold me the airplane warned me about it
> >>and i warn my GIBs. I always thought it was loading of the lower
> >>cylinders or something like that and just lived with it. Now the
> >>experience is getting more frequent and prolonged. People on the
ground
> >>are noticing. Used to be i'd get a little miss at 500' when climbing
> >>out, now it's at 200' and lasts for 10 sec. Oil & fuel pressure stay
> >>solid, can't say abt RPM & MP since the needles are longer and they are
> >>shaking too much at that point to be conclusive .It's always momentary
> >>and does not repeat during all the unusual attitudes of the following
> >>acro flight which should eliminate a lot of possibilities. I'm
> >>religious about having temps in the green prior to take off. If the
> >>plugs are shorting out due to extended run-up/warm up then what would
> >>make them heal themselves in a matter of seconds? What going on? TIA.
> >>
> >>bob
> >>Boris 52BN
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: <drc@wscare.com>
Anyone have any information or wiring diagrams for a polish radio - umimor RS 6102
- it is a com radio out of a Wilga. I have seen it in other eastern european
planes and need to figure out the wiring schematic. i can not find any info
on the web.
Herb
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--> Yak-List message posted by: David Marsh <swampy@videotron.ca>
Boris,
a little "blubbering" on climbout is not normal; I've only ever seen plug
fouling have an effect on the start of a takeoff run, never 45 secs later.
Given the problem appears with a change of altitude , have you considered
the possibility of a sticky diaphram on the automatic mixture control? Never
seen this problem myself, just throwing the idea out there for discussion
......
Dave.
Used to be i'd get a little miss at 500' when climbing
> > >>out, now it's at 200' and lasts for 10 sec. Oil & fuel pressure stay
> > >>solid, can't say abt RPM & MP since the needles are longer and they
are
> > >>shaking too much at that point to be conclusive .It's always momentary
> > >>and does not repeat during all the unusual attitudes of the following
> > >>acro flight which should eliminate a lot of possibilities. I'm
> > >>religious about having temps in the green prior to take off. If the
> > >>plugs are shorting out due to extended run-up/warm up then what would
> > >>make them heal themselves in a matter of seconds? What going on?
TIA.
> > >>
> > >>bob
> > >>Boris 52BN
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: cjpilot710@aol.com
Troops, friends and family
What a BASH!! Dede and I went to Rob and Caroline Collings wedding
reception at Stow, Ma. Absolutely first class!
After Rob and Caroline repeated their vows and the Champaign was passed
around the fun began.
First the Corsair came right down over the grass runway. I don't know who
was flying it but he certainly knew the machine. There is not doubt its is a
beautiful sight to see them barrel roll UP CLOSE. And she is fast!
Than came the F-4. Now picture this. You are standing with 200 plus guests
along side a 200 wide beautiful grass runway. Here comes the F-4 dirty.
Gear, hook and flaps all hanging down. Just about the time you think "Oh s*&#
t! You got to kidding !!!", the AB (After Burner) cuts in and you and 200
plus souls, take in the full unabashed sound of power of those J-79s in AB.
Than comes the breeze. Every pilot there had a freaking organismic organism!
Than came the 'stately' B-17 and B-24 in tight formation. They didn't sound
loud at all after the F-4. They each made a low approach to the runway but
after the Corsair and F-4 its was like stealthy and in slow motion. But have
you ever been with-in 100 feet of a passing B-24 or B-17? Another organism!
Dinner was real honest-to-God crystal Champaign, water, and drink glasses.
Real honest-to-God china. Real honest-to-God cloth table cloths. Excellent
food (4 different choices of meat!) and I lost count of the veggies. 3
bands, one a 20 piece playing great WW2 stuff. And two of the biggest open bars
I
ever seen! Lots of dancing.
Now everybody is asked out side. Here we watched good twenty minute
fire-works show that did not let up for a second! One of the best I've ever seen.
And you're right there! Not even 100 foot from the launch point so the sky
above you is filled with light and sound. Then when its just was over, Rob
and Caroline yank on a lanyard and BOOM off goes a just restored German 88 FLAK
gun. Man what way to send off a marriage.
And what a bunch of neat people the Collings know. From the very well off,
to the not so well off. The dress ran from tucks, to USAF and Navy mess
dress, to dungarees and sport shirt. One guy was wearing kilts with a chest full
of medals. Mack Mc Nulty showed up wearing pants! ( those of you who know
him know how very unusual this is).
Mike Walsh was there and looks pretty well healed from his hip replacement.
Remember a while back I asked for prayers for one of our volunteer pilots? He
had a rare viral pneumonia and was not expected to live. He was in ICU for
a month "right on the edge". Well he's damn near well and was there. Says
"Thanks to all". Met a lot of neat people. Warbirds nuts all!
By the time Dede and I, with knuckles dragging, hit the sack it was near
mid-night and we had a 5 am wake-up call to get an open seat home.
Well that was my week-end. How was your's? ;-}
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jeff Linebaugh" <jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net>
Jim....wow...what a neat opportunity! Good on you and Dede! That must have
been some event!
I couldn't come even close, but we did have a fun weekend... Got to watch
the Blues and the Snowbirds, F-16, A-10, F-18F demos and a cool "Heritage
Flight" complete with the F-4 having to take the cable due to a utility
hydraulic failure. Lindy (our 4 year old, for those of you who haven't met
her) was properly introduced to a first class jet show...
So, during the show, this very small, 70-ish Chinese gentleman was hanging
around the CJ looking at it. He had "that look" like he knew the airplane
Tried to talk with him, but he couldn't speak a lick of English. After a
while he went and got his somewhat-english-speaking son... Turns out his Dad
used to be an Avionics/Electronics Technician on CJs! His first question was
"why the big nose screw on this airplane"..referring to the M14P prop and
spinner. The three of us walked around the airplane and his son...who knew
nothing about airplanes...tried to explain what his father was saying. It
was an interesting talk, fun, but difficult. I offered a ride, but the
gentleman passed...saying that he had a heart condition, and that he had a
ride in one in China, but didn't much like it! But he sure enjoyed seeing
one again...
Anyways...just a reminder that it really is the people that matter, and our
airplanes just happen to be the fun vehicles that bring us together.
Jeff
Jeff Linebaugh
jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net
CJ-6P N621CJ
Memphis, TN
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Subject: WHAT A BASH!!!
Troops, friends and family
What a BASH!! Dede and I went to Rob and Caroline Collings wedding
reception at Stow, Ma. Absolutely first class!
After Rob and Caroline repeated their vows and the Champaign was passed
around the fun began.
First the Corsair came right down over the grass runway. I don't know who
was flying it but he certainly knew the machine. There is not doubt its is
a beautiful sight to see them barrel roll UP CLOSE. And she is fast!
Than came the F-4. Now picture this. You are standing with 200 plus guests
along side a 200 wide beautiful grass runway. Here comes the F-4 dirty.
Gear, hook and flaps all hanging down. Just about the time you think "Oh
s*&# t! You got to kidding !!!", the AB (After Burner) cuts in and you and
200 plus souls, take in the full unabashed sound of power of those J-79s in
AB. Than comes the breeze. Every pilot there had a freaking organismic
organism!
Than came the 'stately' B-17 and B-24 in tight formation. They didn't sound
loud at all after the F-4. They each made a low approach to the runway but
after the Corsair and F-4 its was like stealthy and in slow motion. But
have you ever been with-in 100 feet of a passing B-24 or B-17? Another
organism!
Dinner was real honest-to-God crystal Champaign, water, and drink glasses
Real honest-to-God china. Real honest-to-God cloth table cloths. Excellent
food (4 different choices of meat!) and I lost count of the veggies. 3
bands, one a 20 piece playing great WW2 stuff. And two of the biggest open
bars I ever seen! Lots of dancing.
Now everybody is asked out side. Here we watched good twenty minute
fire-works show that did not let up for a second! One of the best I've ever
seen. And you're right there! Not even 100 foot from the launch point so
the sky above you is filled with light and sound. Then when its just was
over, Rob and Caroline yank on a lanyard and BOOM off goes a just restored
German 88 FLAK gun. Man what way to send off a marriage.
And what a bunch of neat people the Collings know. From the very well off,
to the not so well off. The dress ran from tucks, to USAF and Navy mess
dress, to dungarees and sport shirt. One guy was wearing kilts with a chest
full of medals. Mack Mc Nulty showed up wearing pants! ( those of you who
know him know how very unusual this is).
Mike Walsh was there and looks pretty well healed from his hip replacement.
Remember a while back I asked for prayers for one of our volunteer pilots?
He had a rare viral pneumonia and was not expected to live. He was in ICU
for a month "right on the edge". Well he's damn near well and was there.
Says "Thanks to all". Met a lot of neat people. Warbirds nuts all!
By the time Dede and I, with knuckles dragging, hit the sack it was near
mid-night and we had a 5 am wake-up call to get an open seat home.
Well that was my week-end. How was your's? ;-}
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Here comes the F-4 dirty.
> Gear, hook and flaps all hanging down. Just about the time you think
"Oh s*&#
> t! You got to kidding !!!", the AB (After Burner) cuts in and you and
200
> plus souls, take in the full unabashed sound of power of those J-79s in
AB.
> Than comes the breeze. Every pilot there had a freaking organismic
organism!
Yepper! Ol' Double Ugly steppin' on the Loud Pedal is a sound to behold!
She does like to convert dollars to Noise!
Only the big mouth, PW 220 Viper can get in the ball park. A 2 ship of 4's
on formation TO could shake the entire Airbase! It takes a 4 ship of Vipers
with blowers lite to make that kinda noise. I know, 2 4's = 4 J 79's
converting JP 4 to noise. Either way, impressive.
Glad you had fun, Pappy. Sounds like Linedogg got to have some fun also.
And yes, it is all the people that these airplanes allow us to meet.
On that note since we are telling how our weekends went, was in the office
of the hanger at Wetumpka when I saw this young man (30's) that obviously
looked middle eastern taking pictures of our YAKs. He was being very
curteous and not crossing the red line. Turns out he is from Uzbekistan.
One of the EAA officers (retired Naval Aviator) was sponsoring him and his
wife for the day. He brought them out to give the a ride in his Stinson
showing them Montgomery. He saw the YAKs through the open hanger doors and
wanted pictures. As I said, turns out he is from Uzbekistan and he is at
Maxwell for ACSC (Air Command and Staff College). He recieved his intial
flight training in the YAK-18. He is now a MIG 27 driver. He was quite
surprised to see YAK's in Montgomery, Alabama.
Invited him to Red Air Fall Fling 14-16 Oct 05 at Selma. Told him he could
expect to see about 27 YAKs and CJ's there. He said he would try to be
there.
Yes, Linedogg and Pappy are correct, our airplanes allow us to share some
truely memorable experiences.
Anybody going to Great Wings Over Georgia this coming weekend ( 7-8 Oct 05)
at Peachtree City, Ga. (KFFC)?
Doc
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