---------------------------------------------------------- Yak-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 10/10/05: 20 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:01 AM - Re: Yak-List Digest: 17 Msgs - 10/08/05 (Rob Kent) 2. 07:10 AM - RE- Pics (NapeOne@aol.com) 3. 10:33 AM - engine change (ROBERT SCHWARTZ) 4. 11:18 AM - Re: engine change (Roger Kemp) 5. 11:23 AM - Re: RE- Pics (Roger Kemp) 6. 11:29 AM - Re: Test Pics (ByronMFox@aol.com) 7. 11:35 AM - Re: engine change (Ernest Martinez) 8. 11:52 AM - Re: engine change (A. Dennis Savarese) 9. 12:40 PM - Re: engine change (Richard Basiliere) 10. 02:32 PM - Re: engine change (Kevin Pilling) 11. 02:55 PM - Re: engine change (Roger Kemp) 12. 02:58 PM - Re: engine change (Roger Kemp) 13. 03:00 PM - Re: engine change (Phil Cogan) 14. 05:09 PM - Re: engine change (Jim and Vivian) 15. 06:58 PM - Re: engine change (Jim and Vivian) 16. 07:38 PM - Re: engine change (Roger Kemp) 17. 07:44 PM - Re: engine change (cjpilot710@aol.com) 18. 08:52 PM - G limits on the CJ6 (JOE) 19. 08:54 PM - Re: Air lines (aaron marshall) 20. 09:24 PM - Re: G limits on the CJ6 (Walter Lannon) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:01:10 AM PST US From: "Rob Kent" Subject: Yak-List: Re: Yak-List Digest: 17 Msgs - 10/08/05 --> Yak-List message posted by: "Rob Kent" Scott, The Yk-55 parts catalogue shows the part number for the Yak-50 exhaust system. This is also the same as the Yk-52 but without the heat muff. Regards Rob Kent Stores Manager WLAC - Russian Engineering www.wlacrussianeng.co.uk Tel: +44 1628 829 165 Fax: +44 1628 828 961 > > Time: 06:16:27 PM PST US > From: "Scott Kirk" > Subject: RE: Yak-List: exhaust systems available soon > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Scott Kirk" > > Kevin, > > Any chance of the Yak-55 being added to your list? > > Scott > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:10:38 AM PST US From: NapeOne@aol.com Subject: Yak-List: RE- Pics Pics didn't come through on my computer. Am I doing something wrong? David H. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:33:11 AM PST US From: "ROBERT SCHWARTZ" Subject: Yak-List: engine change Gentelmen: I would like some input on an idea. What are the thoughts about putting a Walter 601p turbo prop engine on the Yak 52. I have access to a good one at a very low price and it seems interesting. I wonder how much increase in cruise would be seen. Naturally there are issues regarding fuel capacity that would need to be worked out. Engine would be lighter. Its worth a conversation BOB SCHWARTZ ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:18:52 AM PST US From: "Roger Kemp" Subject: RE: Yak-List: engine change Bob, You still got to defeat the Clark Y airfoil. That is your big draggy wing hanging out there like a big parasite. The TWs are not significantly faster because of that. But man, you ought to go up stairs like a Raped Ape! Doc ----- Original Message ----- From: ROBERT SCHWARTZ Subject: Yak-List: engine change Gentelmen: I would like some input on an idea. What are the thoughts about putting a Walter 601p turbo prop engine on the Yak 52. I have access to a good one at a very low price and it seems interesting. I wonder how much increase in cruise would be seen. Naturally there are issues regarding fuel capacity that would need to be worked out. Engine would be lighter. Its worth a conversation BOB SCHWARTZ ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:23:02 AM PST US From: "Roger Kemp" Subject: RE: Yak-List: RE- Pics Being allowed on the computer would be the problem! Sorry Dave, you just T'd that one up so nicely. I'm sure you'll pay me back at Selma. See ya this weekend! Doc ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Yak-List: RE- Pics Pics didn't come through on my computer. Am I doing something wrong? David H. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:29:58 AM PST US From: ByronMFox@aol.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: Test Pics Thanks, Craig. Got the pictures. Thought Matt didn't permit attachments, but worked fine. ...Blitz ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:35:32 AM PST US From: Ernest Martinez Subject: Re: Yak-List: engine change --> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez Bob, What do you want to do fly at VNE all day? Your fuel burn would be atrocious, not to mention the cost of the engine mount, cowling, fuel tanks. CG would be all out of whack causing you to mount the thing waaaay out front. And it would be ugly as sin. There was actually a thread about this several years ago, and someone actually posted a pic. Ernie On 10/10/05, Roger Kemp wrote: > > > Bob, > You still got to defeat the Clark Y airfoil. That is your big draggy wing > hanging out there like a big parasite. The TWs are not significantly faster > because of that. But man, you ought to go up stairs like a Raped Ape! > Doc > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: ROBERT SCHWARTZ > To: Yak-List@matronics.com > Sent: 10/10/2005 12:32:34 PM > Subject: Yak-List: engine change > > > Gentelmen: > > I would like some input on an idea. What are the thoughts about putting a > Walter 601p turbo prop engine on the Yak 52. I have access to a good one at > a very low price and it seems interesting. I wonder how much increase in > cruise would be seen. Naturally there are issues regarding fuel capacity > that would need to be worked out. Engine would be lighter. Its worth a > conversation > > BOB SCHWARTZ > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:52:37 AM PST US From: "A. Dennis Savarese" Subject: Re: Yak-List: engine change Ever wonder why Yakovlev didn't put a turboprop (doesn't matter what kind) in the YAK 52M. It still will have the venerable M14. Fuel capacity is certainly a problem. But not insurmountable. Even if you gained 25% in cruise speed (which I seriously doubt because of the Clark Y airfoil), your fuel burn would at least double. I guess I would have a hard time justifying twice the fuel burn for a minimal increase in cruise. Lastly, for all of us round engine lovers, what a pity it would be to not be able to distinguish a Yak from all the other spam cans when coming into the pattern. Then if you ever tried to sell it, you'd probably have a rude awakening about how desirable it is. Just my 2 cents. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: ROBERT SCHWARTZ To: Yak-List@matronics.com Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 9:48 AM Subject: Yak-List: engine change Gentelmen: I would like some input on an idea. What are the thoughts about putting a Walter 601p turbo prop engine on the Yak 52. I have access to a good one at a very low price and it seems interesting. I wonder how much increase in cruise would be seen. Naturally there are issues regarding fuel capacity that would need to be worked out. Engine would be lighter. Its worth a conversation BOB SCHWARTZ ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:40:38 PM PST US From: "Richard Basiliere" Subject: Re: Yak-List: engine change It's been done on a Sukhoi 26. I saw it at OSH a year ago - Kinda cool - I wonder about the utility Rick b >>> schwartzcompany@att.net 10/10/2005 8:48:03 AM >>> Gentelmen: I would like some input on an idea. What are the thoughts about putting a Walter 601p turbo prop engine on the Yak 52. I have access to a good one at a very low price and it seems interesting. I wonder how much increase in cruise would be seen. Naturally there are issues regarding fuel capacity that would need to be worked out. Engine would be lighter. Its worth a conversation BOB SCHWARTZ ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:32:00 PM PST US From: " Kevin Pilling" Subject: Re: Yak-List: engine change --> Yak-List message posted by: " Kevin Pilling" Check out http://www.russianaeros.com/SM2000.htm if you want to define ugly ! Fly safe kp > > Bob, > > What do you want to do fly at VNE all day? Your fuel burn would be > atrocious, not to mention the cost of the engine mount, cowling, fuel > tanks. CG would be all out of whack causing you to mount the thing > waaaay out front. And it would be ugly as sin. There was actually a > thread about this several years ago, and someone actually posted a > pic. > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:55:48 PM PST US From: "Roger Kemp" Subject: Re: Yak-List: engine change Down and dirty...double that 2 cents. Doc ----- Original Message ----- From: A. Dennis Savarese Subject: Re: Yak-List: engine change Ever wonder why Yakovlev didn't put a turboprop (doesn't matter what kind) in the YAK 52M. It still will have the venerable M14. Fuel capacity is certainly a problem. But not insurmountable. Even if you gained 25% in cruise speed (which I seriously doubt because of the Clark Y airfoil), your fuel burn would at least double. I guess I would have a hard time justifying twice the fuel burn for a minimal increase in cruise. Lastly, for all of us round engine lovers, what a pity it would be to not be able to distinguish a Yak from all the other spam cans when coming into the pattern. Then if you ever tried to sell it, you'd probably have a rude awakening about how desirable it is. Just my 2 cents. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: ROBERT SCHWARTZ Subject: Yak-List: engine change Gentelmen: I would like some input on an idea. What are the thoughts about putting a Walter 601p turbo prop engine on the Yak 52. I have access to a good one at a very low price and it seems interesting. I wonder how much increase in cruise would be seen. Naturally there are issues regarding fuel capacity that would need to be worked out. Engine would be lighter. Its worth a conversation BOB SCHWARTZ ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:58:38 PM PST US From: "Roger Kemp" Subject: Re: Yak-List: engine change --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" Youggly, would be the word! Doc > [Original Message] > From: Kevin Pilling > To: > Date: 10/10/2005 4:31:18 PM > Subject: Re: Yak-List: engine change > > --> Yak-List message posted by: " Kevin Pilling" > > Check out http://www.russianaeros.com/SM2000.htm if you want to define ugly > ! > > Fly safe > kp > > > > > Bob, > > > > What do you want to do fly at VNE all day? Your fuel burn would be > > atrocious, not to mention the cost of the engine mount, cowling, fuel > > tanks. CG would be all out of whack causing you to mount the thing > > waaaay out front. And it would be ugly as sin. There was actually a > > thread about this several years ago, and someone actually posted a > > pic. > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:00:43 PM PST US From: "Phil Cogan" Subject: RE: Yak-List: engine change May I suggest using it in your toaster oven? Or perhaps your Harley? Oh, wait a minute, you were only joking! Sorry, Shortbus _____ From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ROBERT SCHWARTZ Subject: Yak-List: engine change Gentelmen: I would like some input on an idea. What are the thoughts about putting a Walter 601p turbo prop engine on the Yak 52. I have access to a good one at a very low price and it seems interesting. I wonder how much increase in cruise would be seen. Naturally there are issues regarding fuel capacity that would need to be worked out. Engine would be lighter. Its worth a conversation BOB SCHWARTZ ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:09:39 PM PST US From: "Jim and Vivian" Subject: Re: Yak-List: engine change Bob The Yak-52 with the Gear hanging down, I don't think any type Engine will help it go faster, a CJ -6 would work alot better, I had someone ask me about the CJ a few Years ago. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: ROBERT SCHWARTZ To: Yak-List@matronics.com Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 7:48 AM Subject: Yak-List: engine change Gentelmen: I would like some input on an idea. What are the thoughts about putting a Walter 601p turbo prop engine on the Yak 52. I have access to a good one at a very low price and it seems interesting. I wonder how much increase in cruise would be seen. Naturally there are issues regarding fuel capacity that would need to be worked out. Engine would be lighter. Its worth a conversation BOB SCHWARTZ ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 06:58:30 PM PST US From: "Jim and Vivian" Subject: Re: Yak-List: engine change Bob I have a picture I took in China of a CJ-6 that is single place and was made for a Turbine, I can send it to you if your interested. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim and Vivian To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 5:09 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: engine change Bob The Yak-52 with the Gear hanging down, I don't think any type Engine will help it go faster, a CJ -6 would work alot better, I had someone ask me about the CJ a few Years ago. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: ROBERT SCHWARTZ To: Yak-List@matronics.com Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 7:48 AM Subject: Yak-List: engine change Gentelmen: I would like some input on an idea. What are the thoughts about putting a Walter 601p turbo prop engine on the Yak 52. I have access to a good one at a very low price and it seems interesting. I wonder how much increase in cruise would be seen. Naturally there are issues regarding fuel capacity that would need to be worked out. Engine would be lighter. Its worth a conversation BOB SCHWARTZ ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:38:05 PM PST US From: "Roger Kemp" Subject: Re: Yak-List: engine change Jim, T it up. The rest of us Yakkers would be interested in seeing it. Doc ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim and Vivian Subject: Re: Yak-List: engine change Bob I have a picture I took in China of a CJ-6 that is single place and was made for a Turbine, I can send it to you if your interested. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim and Vivian Subject: Re: Yak-List: engine change Bob The Yak-52 with the Gear hanging down, I don't think any type Engine will help it go faster, a CJ -6 would work alot better, I had someone ask me about the CJ a few Years ago. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: ROBERT SCHWARTZ Subject: Yak-List: engine change Gentelmen: I would like some input on an idea. What are the thoughts about putting a Walter 601p turbo prop engine on the Yak 52. I have access to a good one at a very low price and it seems interesting. I wonder how much increase in cruise would be seen. Naturally there are issues regarding fuel capacity that would need to be worked out. Engine would be lighter. Its worth a conversation BOB SCHWARTZ ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 07:44:30 PM PST US From: cjpilot710@aol.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: engine change In a message dated 10/10/2005 10:00:00 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jimscjs@mbay.net writes: 4 years ago now, when Bushi Cheng came to OSK, one of the AZ Boys asked Bushi at dinner about putting a Turboprop into a CJ. He looked at the guy kind-a funny, than smiled and said he thought a whole "new design would be better". The truth is the only thing you'd gain is better rate of climb and max altitude. That single seat CJ airplane with the slim nose that Jim saw in China, well if its the one I saw at the PLAF museum out side of Beijing, that was a prop for a war movie. It was suppose to be an American imperialist "F-84" in a movie about Korea. At least that was what I was told by the museum's director. I could see the out line of 'stars and bars' on the side were they had once been painted, but they could have been PLAF 'star & bar' also. Jim "Pappy" Goolsby Bob I have a picture I took in China of a CJ-6 that is single place and was made for a Turbine, I can send it to you if your interested. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: _Jim and Vivian_ (mailto:jimscjs@mbay.net) Subject: Re: Yak-List: engine change Bob The Yak-52 with the Gear hanging down, I don't think any type Engine will help it go faster, a CJ -6 would work alot better, I had someone ask me about the CJ a few Years ago. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: _ROBERT SCHWARTZ_ (mailto:schwartzcompany@att.net) Subject: Yak-List: engine change Gentelmen: I would like some input on an idea. What are the thoughts about putting a Walter 601p turbo prop engine on the Yak 52. I have access to a good one at a very low price and it seems interesting. I wonder how much increase in cruise would be seen. Naturally there are issues regarding fuel capacity that would need to be worked out. Engine would be lighter. Its worth a conversation BOB SCHWARTZ ____________________________________ (http://promos.hotbar.com/promos/promodll.dll?RunPromo&El=&SG=&RAND=4378&partner=spamblockerutility) ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 08:52:10 PM PST US From: JOE Subject: Yak-List: G limits on the CJ6 Yakkers Has anyone ever seen an official doc. showing allowable plus and minus "G" for the CJ6 ? Joe ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 08:54:08 PM PST US From: "aaron marshall" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Air lines (not processed: message from valid local sender) Might anyone know of a source for vented caps (that seal when inverted) that will tolerate 5606 hydraulic fluid? My brake fluid resevoir has a cap with a 20 thousandths hole in it and after any sort of negative G flight, most of the fluid is pushed out of the small casister and down the side of my airplane. Has any one else had this problem aand solved it? Thanks Aaron Marshall YAK52TW ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 09:24:56 PM PST US From: "Walter Lannon" Subject: Re: Yak-List: G limits on the CJ6 Hell yes Joe!! I got it from you. Walt ----- Original Message ----- From: JOE To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 8:51 PM Subject: Yak-List: G limits on the CJ6 Yakkers Has anyone ever seen an official doc. showing allowable plus and minus "G" for the CJ6 ? Joe