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1. 06:41 AM - Mass formation photo (A. Dennis Savarese)
2. 08:33 AM - Re: Mass formation photo (cjpilot710@aol.com)
3. 11:49 AM - SEM (cjpilot710@aol.com)
4. 12:29 PM - Re: SEM (Roger Kemp)
5. 12:56 PM - Re: Mass formation photo (A. Dennis Savarese)
6. 02:57 PM - Re: SEM (Drew Blahnick)
7. 04:00 PM - Engine Overhaul (MFilucci@aol.com)
8. 04:00 PM - Who said - - - (cjpilot710@aol.com)
9. 04:18 PM - Selma Photo and Video Links (Shane Golden)
10. 05:55 PM - Somebody Stole Dorothy's Slippers (Frank Haertlein)
11. 06:14 PM - Re: Somebody Stole Dorothy's Slippers (Jeff Pritchard)
12. 06:55 PM - Three blade brainwash. Two blade better (Frank Haertlein)
13. 07:25 PM - Re: Three blade brainwash. Two blade better (KJKimball@aol.com)
14. 08:05 PM - Re: Three blade brainwash. Two blade better (Richard Basiliere)
15. 09:05 PM - Re: Somebody Stole Dorothy's Slippers (Roger Kemp)
16. 10:14 PM - (Greg Medford)
17. 10:15 PM - Re: SEM (Barry Hancock)
18. 10:19 PM - FW: Re: selma (Roger Kemp)
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| Subject: | Mass formation photo |
This photo is the mass formation photo from the Selma, AL clinic this past
weekend. The weather could not have been better and all attendees had an
outstanding time. All who attended are looking forward to doing this again
next year.
Dennis
A. Dennis Savarese
334-285-2141 Office
334-546-8182 Mobile
www.yak-52.com
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| Subject: | Re: Mass formation photo |
In a message dated 10/17/2005 9:43:07 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
dsavarese@elmore.rr.com writes:
This photo is the mass formation photo from the Selma, AL clinic this past
weekend. The weather could not have been better and all attendees had an
outstanding time. All who attended are looking forward to doing this again
next year.
Dennis
A. Dennis Savarese
334-285-2141 Office
334-546-8182 Mobile
www.yak-52.com
GREAT PICTURE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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dabear@damned.org, orthopilot@msn.com, Cj6sly@cs.com,
Lynch@netjets.com, deegrimm@cox.net, MFilucci@aol.com
I've always felt that there two kinds of people who fly aircraft.
Pilots and Aviators.
Pilots are there for the money. They are typical of the kids coming out of
the big flight schools. Competent, and safe but walk away from a flight with
no feelings what so ever. They do not feel up lifted, gratified, amazed, or
may be even spiritualized. They are just pilots. They fit well in the
sterilized world of airline and corporate flying.
Aviators on the other hand will find pure joy in anything that flies. They
step from their 'big iron' whatever, with the gratification of being
professional and than beat feet to that Cub, Stearman, Extra, Pitts, CJ-6, anything
-
even a Yak, to turn on his/her fun meter. An Aviator don't even have to be
an airline professional. He may the electrician, or computer gaur who can't
stay from the airport on week-ends, has built up his time and tickets, and
marvels at the view from the top of a loop. He/she will stop in mid sentence to
watch anything fly over or takeoff. To him/her flight is a mircale.
Pilots are not gregarious. Aviators are. They like being around their own.
(Maybe that's why formation is so much fun to them). They like sharing the
experience with each other as if trying to glean every molecule of it. They
feed off each other. Older hands stroke the younger who in turn stroke the
older. One is learning, the other, a reason for being. It is a human
interaction since humans were able to comprehend.
A perfect example was this last Saturday night. The day's flying complete
we retired to a restaurant that was open only to our group, thanks to Scotty
"Weasel" Patterson. The bar was open only for us. There was big screen to
show our videos on. There loud cheers as each flight watched their passes
during the "formation challenge" while their challengers were quick (and loud)
to point out the minute spacing or angle differences. The "NE Raider"
(they're from north of the Mason/Dixon line) took home the bragging rights BTW.
Tradition had us assigning 'call signs' so soon you'll hear "Mr. Clean" and
"Alibi". Plus awards were handed out to the Best Yak (Steve Dalton's TW) and
Best CJ (Jeff "LineDog" Lingbaugh). Shane Golden passed on the "Little Blue
Airplane" to Ray "Alibi" Reese.
Harry "Bam Bam" Dutson than got up and after lengthy speech on the perfect
attributes on the person he was about to give this award - he handed it to me!
WOW. It reads "Outstanding Leadership Award 2005" - - - "For 10 years of
dedication and inspirational leadership, helping to raise this organization to
a level of excellence respected through out the warbird community." WOW! I
need to thank Drew Blahnick our president, the Board of Directors, and you
my fellow Aviators. I don't know who instigated this but - Thank you.
In my den I have a number of plaques up on the wall. They are from the EAA,
FAI, NAA, etc. (Show off? No, in ancient Rome, a servant was required to
whisper to the emperor "All glory is fleeting"). But this one will be a
favorite. It comes from my fellow Aviators. Thank you for the feeding, stroking,
and the reason. Next to my family, I love you guys.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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lacloudchaser@yahoo.com, dabear@damned.org, orthopilot@msn.com,
Cj6sly@cs.com, Lynch@netjets.com, deegrimm@cox.net, MFilucci@aol.com
Pappy,
You deserved it! You are right in your assessment of flyers...I know Navy, it is
Aviators...Air Force..we call ourselves Pilots! Few military pilots/aviators
make thru flight school just wanting to be average having a 8 to 5 job. If you
do not look up when a airplane flies over or feel a special joy knowing you
are going out the airport if to do nothing more than hang on a rainy below mins
day just to be near the Iron, you definately are not an AVIATOR!
Side bar: Yes my fellow Aviators, even there are a few Military and FAA flight
surgeons out there that share the pure unadulterated joy of having "Air Under"
there ass!
Really enjoyed Selma this past weekend! Hard work but a lot of fun. Sat night reminded
me of Friday night in the casual bar at the 'Big House' at just about
any fighter base USA!
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From:
Subject: Yak-List: SEM
I've always felt that there two kinds of people who fly aircraft.
Pilots and Aviators.
Pilots are there for the money. They are typical of the kids coming out of the
big flight schools. Competent, and safe but walk away from a flight with no
feelings what so ever. They do not feel up lifted, gratified, amazed, or may
be even spiritualized. They are just pilots. They fit well in the sterilized
world of airline and corporate flying.
Aviators on the other hand will find pure joy in anything that flies. They step
from their 'big iron' whatever, with the gratification of being professional
and than beat feet to that Cub, Stearman, Extra, Pitts, CJ-6, anything - even
a Yak, to turn on his/her fun meter. An Aviator don't even have to be an airline
professional. He may the electrician, or computer gaur who can't stay from
the airport on week-ends, has built up his time and tickets, and marvels at
the view from the top of a loop. He/she will stop in mid sentence to watch anything
fly over or takeoff. To him/her flight is a mircale.
Pilots are not gregarious. Aviators are. They like being around their own. (Maybe
that's why formation is so much fun to them). They like sharing the experience
with each other as if trying to glean every molecule of it. They feed
off each other. Older hands stroke the younger who in turn stroke the older.
One is learning, the other, a reason for being. It is a human interaction since
humans were able to comprehend.
A perfect example was this last Saturday night. The day's flying complete we retired
to a restaurant that was open only to our group, thanks to Scotty "Weasel"
Patterson. The bar was open only for us. There was big screen to show our
videos on. There loud cheers as each flight watched their passes during the
"formation challenge" while their challengers were quick (and loud) to point
out the minute spacing or angle differences. The "NE Raider" (they're from north
of the Mason/Dixon line) took home the bragging rights BTW. Tradition had
us assigning 'call signs' so soon you'll hear "Mr. Clean" and "Alibi". Plus
awards were handed out to the Best Yak (Steve Dalton's TW) and Best CJ (Jeff
"LineDog" Lingbaugh). Shane Golden passed on the "Little Blue Airplane" to Ray
"Alibi" Reese.
Harry "Bam Bam" Dutson than got up and after lengthy speech on the perfect attributes
on the person he was about to give this award - he handed it to me!
WOW. It reads "Outstanding Leadership Award 2005" - - - "For 10 years of dedication
and inspirational leadership, helping to raise this organization to a level
of excellence respected through out the warbird community." WOW! I need
to thank Drew Blahnick our president, the Board of Directors, and you my fellow
Aviators. I don't know who instigated this but - Thank you.
In my den I have a number of plaques up on the wall. They are from the EAA, FAI,
NAA, etc. (Show off? No, in ancient Rome, a servant was required to whisper
to the emperor "All glory is fleeting"). But this one will be a favorite. It
comes from my fellow Aviators. Thank you for the feeding, stroking, and the
reason. Next to my family, I love you guys.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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| Subject: | Re: Mass formation photo |
My wife took it from the runway.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: cjpilot710@aol.com
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 10:32 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Mass formation photo
In a message dated 10/17/2005 9:43:07 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, dsavarese@elmore.rr.com
writes:
This photo is the mass formation photo from the Selma, AL clinic this past
weekend. The weather could not have been better and all attendees had an
outstanding time. All who attended are looking forward to doing this again
next year.
Dennis
A. Dennis Savarese
334-285-2141 Office
334-546-8182 Mobile
www.yak-52.com
GREAT PICTURE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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dabear@damned.org, orthopilot@msn.com, Cj6sly@cs.com,
Lynch@netjets.com, deegrimm@cox.net, MFilucci@aol.com
You certainly deserve it Pappy. A member approached me about this award and although
I won't name him here, his initials are CP ;) You've done a lot of good
work Pappy, we get this last project complete and some new blood on board to
help and your association will be on good legs for some time...
Viperdoc, send out that email meant for the guys if you will. Good job on the event...
Drew
Roger Kemp <viperdoc@mindspring.com> wrote:
Pappy,
You deserved it! You are right in your assessment of flyers...I know Navy, it is
Aviators...Air Force..we call ourselves Pilots! Few military pilots/aviators
make thru flight school just wanting to be average having a 8 to 5 job. If you
do not look up when a airplane flies over or feel a special joy knowing you
are going out the airport if to do nothing more than hang on a rainy below mins
day just to be near the Iron, you definately are not an AVIATOR!
Side bar: Yes my fellow Aviators, even there are a few Military and FAA flight
surgeons out there that share the pure unadulterated joy of having "Air Under"
there ass!
Really enjoyed Selma this past weekend! Hard work but a lot of fun. Sat night reminded
me of Friday night in the casual bar at the 'Big House' at just about
any fighter base USA!
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From:
Subject: Yak-List: SEM
I've always felt that there two kinds of people who fly aircraft.
Pilots and Aviators.
Pilots are there for the money. They are typical of the kids coming out of the
big flight schools. Competent, and safe but walk away from a flight with no
feelings what so ever. They do not feel up lifted, gratified, amazed, or may
be even spiritualized. They are just pilots. They fit well in the sterilized
world of airline and corporate flying.
Aviators on the other hand will find pure joy in anything that flies. They step
from their 'big iron' whatever, with the gratification of being professional
and than beat feet to that Cub, Stearman, Extra, Pitts, CJ-6, anything - even
a Yak, to turn on his/her fun meter. An Aviator don't even have to be an airline
professional. He may the electrician, or computer gaur who can't stay from
the airport on week-ends, has built up his time and tickets, and marvels at
the view from the top of a loop. He/she will stop in mid sentence to watch anything
fly over or takeoff. To him/her flight is a mircale.
Pilots are not gregarious. Aviators are. They like being around their own. (Maybe
that's why formation is so much fun to them). They like sharing the experience
with each other as if trying to glean every molecule of it. They feed
off each other. Older hands stroke the younger who in turn stroke the older.
One is learning, the other, a reason for being. It is a human interaction since
humans were able to comprehend.
A perfect example was this last Saturday night. The day's flying complete we retired
to a restaurant that was open only to our group, thanks to Scotty "Weasel"
Patterson. The bar was open only for us. There was big screen to show our
videos on. There loud cheers as each flight watched their passes during the
"formation challenge" while their challengers were quick (and loud) to point
out the minute spacing or angle differences. The "NE Raider" (they're from north
of the Mason/Dixon line) took home the bragging rights BTW. Tradition had
us assigning 'call signs' so soon you'll hear "Mr. Clean" and "Alibi". Plus
awards were handed out to the Best Yak (Steve Dalton's TW) and Best CJ (Jeff
"LineDog" Lingbaugh). Shane Golden passed on the "Little Blue Airplane" to Ray
"Alibi" Reese.
Harry "Bam Bam" Dutson than got up and after lengthy speech on the perfect attributes
on the person he was about to give this award - he handed it to me!
WOW. It reads "Outstanding Leadership Award 2005" - - - "For 10 years of dedication
and inspirational leadership, helping to raise this organization to a level
of excellence respected through out the warbird community." WOW! I need
to thank Drew Blahnick our president, the Board of Directors, and you my fellow
Aviators. I don't know who instigated this but - Thank you.
In my den I have a number of plaques up on the wall. They are from the EAA, FAI,
NAA, etc. (Show off? No, in ancient Rome, a servant was required to whisper
to the emperor "All glory is fleeting"). But this one will be a favorite. It
comes from my fellow Aviators. Thank you for the feeding, stroking, and the
reason. Next to my family, I love you guys.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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M-14 Warbird Drivers,
Vladamir Yastremski is preparing a container of M-14 engines for shipment to
the Russian overhaul facility. He has 7 engines now and needs 3 more to fill
the container. If you are interested contact Vladamir at:
_yastremski@sbcglobal.net_ (mailto:yastremski@sbcglobal.net)
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Who said RedStar pilots are not sexy? Just look what some ladies will do to
attract their attention!
Time and place will be kept secret due to 'significant others'. Plus I
understand a near mid-air nearly happen a few seconds after this picture was
taken.
Be careful out there guys.
Pappy
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| Subject: | Selma Photo and Video Links |
Here's some Selma photo and video links from David McGirt.
Shane
All,
Here are some of the pictures that I took over the weekend, I will post
others as people send them to me. If anyone wants a full size version of a
pic, just email me the filename and I will post that for you.
Feel Free to pass this along to anyone that was there..
Pictures -
Formation Flying -
http://www.mcgirt.net/aviation/10-15-05_RedStar_Flyin_Selma/pictures/Formati
on_Pics/Index.htm
Group & Teams -
http://www.mcgirt.net/aviation/10-15-05_RedStar_Flyin_Selma/pictures/Group_a
nd_Team_Pics/Index.htm
Individuals and Planes -
http://www.mcgirt.net/aviation/10-15-05_RedStar_Flyin_Selma/pictures/Individ
uals_and_Planes/Index.htm
Mass Formation -
http://www.mcgirt.net/aviation/10-15-05_RedStar_Flyin_Selma/pictures/Mass_Fo
rmation/Index.htm
Saturday Night Dinner & Awards -
http://www.mcgirt.net/aviation/10-15-05_RedStar_Flyin_Selma/pictures/Saturda
y_Night_Dinner/Index.htm
VIDEOS
Mass Formation Clip ( 70MB )
http://www.mcgirt.net/aviation/10-15-05_RedStar_Flyin_Selma/videos/RedStar%2
0FunFly%20Selma_Mass_Formation.wmv
Enjoy,
David
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| Subject: | Somebody Stole Dorothy's Slippers |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Frank Haertlein <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Just went from Edwards AFB to Wichita with my 52. It took 5 fuel stops to make
it.
The Rockies were awsome! First time I ever went this far X-Country (1020 miles)
other than commercial.
Hard to believe I've been flying since 87 and never went outside of Southwestern
US.
Northern AZ is a sight to behold at low level! Met allot of great people all along
the way.
Anyway, I'm in Wichita for the next year or two. Looking for other Yakinators in
the area.
As a side note, first hand experience leads me to say that them Kansasinians are
real nice people!
Best Regards
Frank (Houndog) Haertlein
YAK-52
N9110M
Formerly L71
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| Subject: | Somebody Stole Dorothy's Slippers |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jeff Pritchard" <Jeffpritchard@cox.net>
Hey Houndog. Your just what I've been waitin' for! Call me @ 316 371 8562.
Jeff "Fiddler" Pritchard
CJ6A
N815BB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Frank Haertlein
Subject: Yak-List: Somebody Stole Dorothy's Slippers
--> Yak-List message posted by: Frank Haertlein <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Just went from Edwards AFB to Wichita with my 52. It took 5 fuel stops to
make it.
The Rockies were awsome! First time I ever went this far X-Country (1020
miles) other than commercial.
Hard to believe I've been flying since 87 and never went outside of
Southwestern US.
Northern AZ is a sight to behold at low level! Met allot of great people all
along the way.
Anyway, I'm in Wichita for the next year or two. Looking for other
Yakinators in the area.
As a side note, first hand experience leads me to say that them Kansasinians
are real nice people!
Best Regards
Frank (Houndog) Haertlein
YAK-52
N9110M
Formerly L71
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| Subject: | Three blade brainwash. Two blade better |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Frank Haertlein <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Bob
My opinion is the three blade isn't worth the price. It's possible the three blade
might have the slightest of performance gain (so far unproven) but whatever
gain that may be had sure as hell isn't worth 14 grand!
Stick to the two blade.
I suggest you not take my word for prop efficiency.......take a look at the technical
aspects of developing the most efficient prop possible, hit the books and
do an analysis of what comprises the greatest prop efficiency and you will
see the V-530 is the natural result of developing a propellor to maximum efficiency.
The Russians even geared the prop to acheive that extra measure of efficiency.
Do the analysis!! You'll see that the Russians were pretty smart after all......
they took prop efficiency to heart and it lead them to the V-530 two blade.
Like I've said before in other posts, "those Russians aren't dumb, they knew what
they were doing"!
Gotta respect that!
Best Regards
Frank (Houndog) Haertlein
YAK-52
N9110M
Formerly L71
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Schwartz <schwartzcompany@att.net>
Subject: Yak-List:
for us newcomers, is there any real advantage to buying a M T 3 blade prop for
the YAK 52, other than climb performance. Is there any help in cruise Kts?
bob Schwartz
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| Subject: | Re: Three blade brainwash. Two blade better |
Frank,
Here is a bit of prop info based on our actual testing and experience. The 2
blade V530 is far less efficient than the 3 blade MTV9 with the -29 blades.
In static thrust, cruise, climb and top speed, the MT outshines the 2 blader
hands down. Typically, a 3 blade is less efficient than a 2 blade prop.
However, that assumes the 2 blade is able to fully utilize the torque/thrust
generated by the engine. In the case of the M14P and the V530, the prop is too
small and too short. It is capable of absorbing about 300hp not the full rated
power of the M14P. It is too short for best performance because of a desired
ground clearance in the Yak. Hitting the books will show the prop should be
about 108" in diameter to be max tip speed for a wooden blade. At 94", it is far
too short. The 250 MT is 98" while the 260 is 102". The wilga has a 104"
diameter version of the 2 blade prop on a lesser HP engine. The books will also
show the blade planform and tip shape are not the best.
V530 240cm dia. 1320 lb static thrust
MTV9 with -29 blades 250cm dia. 1600lb static thrust
On Pitts model 12, MTV9 3 blade gave 10% increase in climb rate, 10mph top
speed increase and 6 mph cruise speed increase over V530 at matched power
settings. Another benefit of the 3 blade is that it has far less vibration than
the
2 blade.
The price of an MTV9 3 blade is around $12k including the $1500 spinner
assembly. 2 bladers are going for about $5-6k now without spinner and it you
happen to have a Yak 18T spinner, it too is would some big bucks. So, the actual
difference in price is not $14k but more like $5-6k.
We have sold several MTV9 3 blade props to Yak and Model 12 owners who had
the 2 blade on their airplanes. Without exception, all have been well beyond
happy with the improved performance with the 3 blade.
I agree the Russians are pretty smart. In this case, they chose a less than
optimum prop design so that they could have a very rugged piece with the
required ground clearance for their relatively unimproved flying club fields.
Sincerely,
Kevin Kimball, VP Engineering
Jim Kimball Enterprises, Inc.
PO Box 849, 5354 Cemetery Rd.
Zellwood, FL 32798
407-889-3451 phone
407-889-7168 fax
http://www.jimkimballenterprises.com/
http://www.pittsmodel12.com/
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| Subject: | Re: Three blade brainwash. Two blade better |
Ok, Ok, I gotta weigh in here.
I've flown both the two blade and the MTV-3-250 on my Yak-55. I flew
the Unlimited Known and a 15 figure free here (CO- density altitude
>10,000 feet in the box) for two years. I beat Mike Racy (currently US
Team member) in Program Q Chandler, AZ 1999 - Mike in SU-26 with
MTV-9-260 me in Yak-55 with two blade paddle.
What I noticed is 3 blade is quite a bit smoother. I could not tell
any performance difference.
Don Nelson, SU-26 Unlimited competitor, has flown both the MTV-9-260
-27 and the new wide cord-29 - which he now runs - his comment to me (on
trading MTV-3 for wide cord) "save your money, I can't tell the
difference".
Brian Cheesbro, Yak-55 in TUS, was going back and forth a couple of
years ago (mechanical reasons)- two blade and 3 blade Whirlwind - his
comment to me - "maybe a little more in the vertical"
Pete Shepley, (Unlimited competitor - SU-26, 29,-31 flew them all with
3 blade in US and with two blade in Russia. His comment to me "I could
not tell the difference".
What I think (worth what you're paying for it) We fly the living S$%
out of our planes - throttle and prop full forward ALL the time (Ok,
tailslides, landing, and partial power on spins, the exceptions) you all
know the power settings you use - you won't know the difference - 2
blade vs. 3.
I think you won't push the 3 blade at 101% because you don't push the 2
blade that hard. The experience I have is working with the Colorado Yak
Pac, Wilkins, Tinnes, Beckett, and Murray. They squirm like they have
pooped their britches when we talk about pushing their -52's that hard.
Yes, I know, it's all anecdotal. But from people that have many 100s
of hours each flying both the 2 and 3 blade, on different equipment.
People that push their airplanes as absolutely as hard as they can to
obtain that last little bit of performance necessary.
Respectfully,
Rick b with MTV-3 on SU-29 and no desire to "upgrade"
>>> KJKimball@aol.com 10/17/2005 8:24:54 PM >>>
Frank,
Here is a bit of prop info based on our actual testing and experience.
The 2 blade V530 is far less efficient than the 3 blade MTV9 with the
-29 blades. In static thrust, cruise, climb and top speed, the MT
outshines the 2 blader hands down. Typically, a 3 blade is less
efficient than a 2 blade prop. However, that assumes the 2 blade is
able to fully utilize the torque/thrust generated by the engine. In the
case of the M14P and the V530, the prop is too small and too short. It
is capable of absorbing about 300hp not the full rated power of the
M14P. It is too short for best performance because of a desired ground
clearance in the Yak. Hitting the books will show the prop should be
about 108" in diameter to be max tip speed for a wooden blade. At 94",
it is far too short. The 250 MT is 98" while the 260 is 102". The
wilga has a 104" diameter version of the 2 blade prop on a lesser HP
engine. The books will also show the blade planform and tip shape are
not the best.
V530 240cm dia. 1320 lb static thrust
MTV9 with -29 blades 250cm dia. 1600lb static thrust
On Pitts model 12, MTV9 3 blade gave 10% increase in climb rate, 10mph
top speed increase and 6 mph cruise speed increase over V530 at matched
power settings. Another benefit of the 3 blade is that it has far less
vibration than the 2 blade.
The price of an MTV9 3 blade is around $12k including the $1500 spinner
assembly. 2 bladers are going for about $5-6k now without spinner and
it you happen to have a Yak 18T spinner, it too is would some big bucks.
So, the actual difference in price is not $14k but more like $5-6k.
We have sold several MTV9 3 blade props to Yak and Model 12 owners who
had the 2 blade on their airplanes. Without exception, all have been
well beyond happy with the improved performance with the 3 blade.
I agree the Russians are pretty smart. In this case, they chose a less
than optimum prop design so that they could have a very rugged piece
with the required ground clearance for their relatively unimproved
flying club fields.
Sincerely,
Kevin Kimball, VP Engineering
Jim Kimball Enterprises, Inc.
PO Box 849, 5354 Cemetery Rd.
Zellwood, FL 32798
407-889-3451 phone
407-889-7168 fax
http://www.jimkimballenterprises.com/
http://www.pittsmodel12.com/
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
I don't know about that Fiddler. Your talking about consorting with a known
deviat YAK driver. Dude when you go YAK, you'll never go back!
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: Jeff Pritchard <Jeffpritchard@cox.net>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 10/17/2005 8:14:02 PM
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Somebody Stole Dorothy's Slippers
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jeff Pritchard" <Jeffpritchard@cox.net>
>
> Hey Houndog. Your just what I've been waitin' for! Call me @ 316 371
8562.
>
> Jeff "Fiddler" Pritchard
> CJ6A
> N815BB
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Frank Haertlein
> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 7:54 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Somebody Stole Dorothy's Slippers
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Frank Haertlein
<yak52driver@earthlink.net>
>
> Just went from Edwards AFB to Wichita with my 52. It took 5 fuel stops to
> make it.
>
> The Rockies were awsome! First time I ever went this far X-Country (1020
> miles) other than commercial.
>
> Hard to believe I've been flying since 87 and never went outside of
> Southwestern US.
>
> Northern AZ is a sight to behold at low level! Met allot of great people
all
> along the way.
>
> Anyway, I'm in Wichita for the next year or two. Looking for other
> Yakinators in the area.
>
> As a side note, first hand experience leads me to say that them
Kansasinians
> are real nice people!
>
> Best Regards
> Frank (Houndog) Haertlein
> YAK-52
> N9110M
> Formerly L71
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Greg Medford" <greg@warbirdairshows.com>
Can't believe anybody still debates the benefits of the 3 blade. We
have run numerous 3 blades and at least 40 2-blades over the years at
Deer Valley and there is absolutely no comparison. The 2-blade is
slower in EVERY regime of flight period. The climb advantage of the
3-blade is remarkable. We have noticed that there are a variety of
poor 3-bade "set-ups" from various facilities and have had at least one
come completely overhauled from the West Coast dealer totally FUBAR.
Set up means plenty with all props and all things being set properly
any MT prop, Russian, German, or otherwise kicks the butt off the
2-blade. If your won't it's just plain set up wrong...give Bill
Blackwell a call.
As for 3-blade nuances between the 3,9 Russian or German, I have never
been able to feel the difference. I have flown all of them. I have 2
types of Mt 3-blades and a backup 2-blade and would NEVER run the 2
blade if given the option. I fly the same airshow routine scores of
times and never push the plane hard or run out of energy with the
3-blade. I cannot say the same for the v-530.
As for practical...the 2-blade is it! Easy to service, overhaul and
tinker with. The 3-blade is a royal pain in the ass if ANYTHING needs
to be done with it. Especially if you have to deal with MT...
If you are serious about acro or fly low-level airs hows there is only
one option...the 3-blade. Anyone else should be very happy with the
tried and true old faithful v-530...
Love Yakin'
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orthopilot@msn.com, lacloudchaser@yahoo.com, deegrimm@cox.net,
> Next to my family, I love you guys.
>
> Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
Yeah, you're alright, too, Pappy.... ;) You deserve every award and
accolade this community has to offer....
Hope you can again grace us at ARS in 2006....and proudly display your
flight jacket once again!
Cheers,
Barry
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Yakkers,
Selma was a huge success. As stated by Linedogg, we had the most FAST check rides
and cards awarded at any one fly-in this year. We had our first Tac Clinic
for this region of the US. Many thanks go to Terry"Ski"Slawinski for putting it
on. Thanks to Dennis Savarese and Shane Golden for their expertise in maintance
and Red Star administration , respectively. The most thanks go to Scottie
"Weasle" Patterson for letting us trash his hanger and his good name in Selma,
arranging to feed all the troops, and remembering that after being feed, we
needed some place to dump it! The Port-A-Potties. I now know how Jeff Linebaugh
got be known as Linedogg! He was a scheduling fool! He made the schedule sing!
No one was left behind on the ramp! My hats off to ya, Dogg... you are the
man making a thankless job happen! Pappy, Craig Payne, Mike Filucci, Bob "Kilo"
Watts, Jimmie "Mr.Clean" Fordham and all the other IP's, thanks for the time
you guys devoted to the Students, making their FAS
T winging a learning experience worth experiencing. One question though, Craig,
I never did hear what your call sign was...If you do not have one yet...I can
think of one..."Growler" might do. Just need to bring it up at the next naming
party, if my Alzheimers does not progress anymore in the next year ...or is
it CRS syndrome...Can't Remember S_ _ t syndrome! I forget...I think they are
the same.
Oh, an least I not forget ( Ol' Timer's striking again), a special thanks to Dave
"Talon" McGirt for enduring the G and giving us so many great photos of this
whole experience. Was Recce one of you duties as a Hornet Driver in your previous
life? Quit the shutter bug you were hang out in the slipstream at 325 klics!
Talk about an Eye Watering experience. Sorry, had to have the smash for the
pull in the verticle for the head on shot with the "SnowBird formation" but
you did a great job with that video thing you do! Thanks for giving us the memories!
Anyway what this started out as was to say that Drew had something to say to us
all about SEM and it is attached to this email. We can do a lot if we keep working
togather. SEM was an example of that.
Fun was had by all...that attended!
Chec 6
Doc
Roger "Doc" Kemp
viperdoc@mindspring.com
Aint no sound like a Radial
----- Original Message -----
From: Drew Blahnick
Subject: RE: selma
Whatever you guys do, commit to making Selma an annual event....
Why?
If you don't motivate others to pitch in and pass the football, it won't be around
in 5 or 10 years when you are going to want it the most...
in 2001 I brought my CJ-6 home and there was no events around, the "Yak" pilots
association was "somewhere on the east coast" I had heard....
So if there was no event, I guess were going to have to make one....and that was
All Red Star in Merced - and as some of you know, its a lot of time and effort,
before and during (ok, it can be a bitch, but don't tell the next volunteer
that ;), but then and now, I believe if you pitch in and get it done, others
will later take the football and carry it forward, so its always there for you
and others to fly in and enjoy good times with old friends. The idea was at
35, I will pitch in and help make this event, so that when I'm 45, its gonna
be there to enjoy, and 50, and 55...(for those of you who have already reached
this pinnacle of youth, just ad lib and insert a number ;)
The same with this association. When I unknowingly answered my cell phone in 2002
after ARS II (it was Mike Filucci) and said "sure Mike", it was on the same
principal; I will pitch in, and when I'm 45 or 50 or 55 it will be there....
But it was clear in its present state, this association, was faced with "evolving"
or it would never be something that would involve or rely on more than just
a few key people at the top, it wasn't scalable; it relied too much on one or
two volunteers commiting lots of hours and making lots of decisions...and it
didn't have a system, a constitution if you will, that required to hear from
anyone local out there...or ask anything of them...just those few folks dumb enough
to answer the cell phone when the pointy head calls :) the association
was only 3 years old, and in the need to stand it up, it had to be more of an
oligarchy than a democratic all volunteer association directed by and working
for airplane owning members...So this is the last task we face - make this an
organization one that folks will want to take the football forward, and not pull
the battery out of their cell phone! ;)
I just want folks to know that having an association is voluntary - you dont have
to have one. But if there is to be any form of national organization like
the yak pilots assoc or redstar pilots association, whether it motivates guys
to put on 20 events around the country or just a web site and newsletter and
bank account...that organization should let local folks take part in it or choose
what happens to it, and help run it - collectively...
so even though I'm out of warbirds in these current conditions for some time, I
think if folks want the RPA association, that organization better be built in
such a way to include local aircraft owners to participate - and thats why I've
been pushing to get this thing regionalized before I retire from this position...so
when I'm 45 or 50 or 55...
...and I'm flying out of some local strip near my house in Watchamacallit Florida,
it will be there, the annual regional event a three hour flight over open
farmland in selma or in waycross, the newsletter showing up in my inbox or mail
telling me about what the West coasters did last month at ARS XI, the website
where I can download the latest version of the formation manual, version 5,
or see the new super yaks purchased by some SWA guys named Ski and Dalton...
And when I'm 45 or 50 or 55 I won't have built it, or wrote it, or organized it,
in fact, I will have had nothing to do with it, but when I'm 45 or 50 or 55
I will be very appreciative someone has...so here's my $37 bucks, now how the
hell do I log in to this damn website...
Have a great time out there, thanks to Pappy for all his inputs and efforts helping
to get the bylaws hammered out and everything else he has done for the RPA,
thanks to Ski for putting in the time and effort to advance tactical formation,
and thanks to you Viperdoc, Jeff, Shane and all others who ultimately have
said, "...ahh f__k it, if we are gonna get this thing going were just going
to have to roll up our sleeves and do it ourselves..."
others appreciate it more than you know...
And the concept of volunteering now for something to enjoy tomorrow applies to
everyone - Shane will one day be 50 or 55 and hopefully flying in to Waycross
to enjoy the good times he started way back when he was...well, you get the idea..
And of course, thanks to Mike Filucci for putting this ball in motion and answering
MY cell phone calls over the last several years...and no, I really didn't
wish my cell battery was dead that day in 2002, it was all worth it. Especially
if these damn fuel prices come back down and American pulls through - I know
it will.
Have a great one, and if you accomplish anything with Selma, set it up to be an
annual event that will run for years beyond the efforts of any one person - then
you have done a real service for your aviator friends, even those you have
never met...and yourself...
Fly often - fly safe
Drew
Roger Kemp <viperdoc@mindspring.com> wrote:
She has not shown up yet. Keep your fingers crossed!
Hope you can make it. Let us know what we need to do to come get you.
Doc Cell 850-2328 (334)
Hope to see ya here, everyone was asking about you.
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: Drew Blahnick
Subject: selma
VD-
Sorry I missed the am flight, but I think your event will be graced by the rabbit
lady (did Elizibeth make it?, told her I was stuck in ATL so she wasn't too
pissed I didn't get off the ground, as she made it a near requirment that I save
her, don't trust that nutcase), I just spoke with Mike and Harry, for me it
will be after 6pm if I take the 11am flight...
Have a blast Doc,
Drew
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