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1. 12:52 AM - Engine OH (Mark Jefferies)
2. 01:28 AM - Re: Engine OH (Gpw678@AOL.COM)
3. 04:52 AM - Re: Three blade brainwash. Two blade better (A. Dennis Savarese)
4. 04:57 AM - Re: Somebody Stole Dorothy's Slippers (Jeff Pritchard)
5. 05:38 AM - Selma (Jeff Linebaugh)
6. 05:44 AM - Photos (Jeff Linebaugh)
7. 05:47 AM - Re: Selma (cjpilot710@aol.com)
8. 06:49 AM - Re: Selma (Ernest Martinez)
9. 07:02 AM - Re: Engine OH (AEROSTAR)
10. 07:12 AM - V-530 Versus MT Props (Richard Goode)
11. 08:13 AM - Re: Yak-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 10/17/05 (Steven A. Dalton)
12. 08:29 AM - Re: Selma (Yak52)
13. 08:37 AM - Re: Re: Yak-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 10/17/05 (Fraser, Gus)
14. 09:16 AM - Engine OH (Richard Goode)
15. 09:38 AM - Re: Photos (Matt Dralle)
16. 11:06 AM - Re: Engine OH (Mark Jefferies)
17. 11:14 AM - Selma & FAST Patches (ByronMFox@aol.com)
18. 11:33 AM - Re: Selma & FAST Patches (Stephen Fox)
19. 11:41 AM - Re: Selma & FAST Patches (A. Dennis Savarese)
20. 11:46 AM - Re: Selma & FAST Patches (A. Dennis Savarese)
21. 11:52 AM - Re: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Selma (Roger Kemp)
22. 12:02 PM - Re: Selma & FAST Patches (Roger Kemp)
23. 12:18 PM - Re: Selma & FAST Patches (ByronMFox@aol.com)
24. 12:19 PM - Re: Photos (Roger Kemp)
25. 12:23 PM - Re: Selma & FAST Patches (A. Dennis Savarese)
26. 12:24 PM - Re: Selma & FAST Patches (ByronMFox@aol.com)
27. 12:37 PM - Re: Selma & FAST Patches (Ernest Martinez)
28. 12:38 PM - Re: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Selma (Ernest Martinez)
29. 12:47 PM - Re: Selma & FAST Patches (A. Dennis Savarese)
30. 12:50 PM - Re: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Selma (A. Dennis Savarese)
31. 01:02 PM - Re: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Selma (Ernest Martinez)
32. 01:02 PM - Re: Selma & FAST Patches (Ernest Martinez)
33. 01:45 PM - Waycross (cjpilot710@aol.com)
34. 02:07 PM - Re: Selma & FAST Patches (Stephen Fox)
35. 02:27 PM - Re: Waycross (Ernest Martinez)
36. 02:30 PM - Re: Engine OH (Craig Payne)
37. 02:43 PM - Re: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Selma (A. Dennis Savarese)
38. 02:44 PM - Re: Waycross (A. Dennis Savarese)
39. 02:51 PM - Re: Waycross (Ernest Martinez)
40. 03:01 PM - Re: Waycross (A. Dennis Savarese)
41. 03:03 PM - Swamp Dragon MiniClinic? (Craig Payne)
42. 03:32 PM - Re: Swamp Dragon MiniClinic? (Ernest Martinez)
43. 03:32 PM - Re: Waycross (Ernest Martinez)
44. 03:37 PM - Re: Swamp Dragon MiniClinic? (Terry)
45. 03:38 PM - 3rd Annual Waycross RPA Fly-In Anybody got a good name for this one (Shane Golden)
46. 03:43 PM - Re: Waycross (A. Dennis Savarese)
47. 04:10 PM - Re: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Waycross (Roger Kemp)
48. 04:12 PM - Re: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Selma (Roger Kemp)
49. 04:20 PM - 2,500 and climbing (Harold H. Morley)
50. 05:26 PM - Re: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Waycross (Ernest Martinez)
51. 05:36 PM - Re: 2,500 and climbing (A. Dennis Savarese)
52. 05:48 PM - Wilma (cjpilot710@aol.com)
53. 06:01 PM - Re: Wilma (Ernest Martinez)
54. 06:25 PM - Re: Wilma (cjpilot710@aol.com)
55. 06:39 PM - Selma Fly-In Pictures and Video (David McGirt)
56. 07:02 PM - Re: Wilma (Ernest Martinez)
57. 08:30 PM - Re: Selma Fly-In Pictures and Video (ByronMFox@AOL.COM)
58. 11:02 PM - Re: Selma & FAST Patches (N13472@aol.com)
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Gents, why send engines to Russia? where if you are keen observers will note
from Richard Goode postings it's a total nightmare to get stuff in and out
of the country due to customs procedures (and criminality) Then what you get
back is a Russian OH, ie oil leaks, and no records of fits clearances, parts
used etc. You wont get a guaranteed return date either. You wont even get a
guarantee!
It is far better to send the engines to a Termikas vytas@termikas.com where
they have an EASA part 145 shop specialising in these engine, typically 4
per month are built. For an additional 3000$ you can have 400 hp built into
the engine. You will get a full inspection report with every fit and
clearance, an crack inspection report from the subcontractors for all ally
and steel crack inspection (EASA certified company) and you will also get a
guaranteed return date. In addition Termikas are in the EU, this gives you
legal recourse, not that it will ever be needed.
With respect must be MAD sending stuff to Russia !!! Apologies to Russian
reading this list its unfortunate but you know the situation first hand
also.
Vladamir, please feel free to contact Vytas, you will be doing your
customers a favour having the work done in a controlled environment,
business will be very easy to conduct, no worries. Either English or Russian
language as you like.
Regards, mj
M-14 Warbird Drivers,
Vladamir Yastremski is preparing a container of M-14 engines for
shipment to
the Russian overhaul facility. He has 7 engines now and needs 3 more
to fill
the container. If you are interested contact Vladamir at:
_yastremski@sbcglobal.net_ (mailto:yastremski@sbcglobal.net)
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Hi All,
Just to confirm what Mark was saying
I have had 2 Yak 52s go to termikas for full overhaul and i believe that you
won't find a better facility for workmanship and they stick to time
schedules.
No question where you should go! For me they are the only option.
Gerald Williams
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| Subject: | Re: Three blade brainwash. Two blade better |
But Rick, just think about how neat that $12000 or $14000 (or whatever the price)
three blade MTV-X prop looks on the airplane while sitting on the ground! :)
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Basiliere
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 10:04 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Three blade brainwash. Two blade better
Ok, Ok, I gotta weigh in here.
I've flown both the two blade and the MTV-3-250 on my Yak-55. I flew the Unlimited
Known and a 15 figure free here (CO- density altitude >10,000 feet in
the box) for two years. I beat Mike Racy (currently US Team member) in Program
Q Chandler, AZ 1999 - Mike in SU-26 with MTV-9-260 me in Yak-55 with two blade
paddle.
What I noticed is 3 blade is quite a bit smoother. I could not tell any performance
difference.
Don Nelson, SU-26 Unlimited competitor, has flown both the MTV-9-260 -27 and
the new wide cord-29 - which he now runs - his comment to me (on trading MTV-3
for wide cord) "save your money, I can't tell the difference".
Brian Cheesbro, Yak-55 in TUS, was going back and forth a couple of years ago
(mechanical reasons)- two blade and 3 blade Whirlwind - his comment to me - "maybe
a little more in the vertical"
Pete Shepley, (Unlimited competitor - SU-26, 29,-31 flew them all with 3 blade
in US and with two blade in Russia. His comment to me "I could not tell the
difference".
What I think (worth what you're paying for it) We fly the living S$%
out of our planes - throttle and prop full forward ALL the time (Ok, tailslides,
landing, and partial power on spins, the exceptions) you all know the power
settings you use - you won't know the difference - 2 blade vs. 3.
I think you won't push the 3 blade at 101% because you don't push the 2 blade
that hard. The experience I have is working with the Colorado Yak Pac, Wilkins,
Tinnes, Beckett, and Murray. They squirm like they have pooped their britches
when we talk about pushing their -52's that hard.
Yes, I know, it's all anecdotal. But from people that have many 100s of hours
each flying both the 2 and 3 blade, on different equipment. People that push
their airplanes as absolutely as hard as they can to obtain that last little
bit of performance necessary.
Respectfully,
Rick b with MTV-3 on SU-29 and no desire to "upgrade"
>>> KJKimball@aol.com 10/17/2005 8:24:54 PM >>>
Frank,
Here is a bit of prop info based on our actual testing and experience. The 2
blade V530 is far less efficient than the 3 blade MTV9 with the -29 blades.
In static thrust, cruise, climb and top speed, the MT outshines the 2 blader hands
down. Typically, a 3 blade is less efficient than a 2 blade prop. However,
that assumes the 2 blade is able to fully utilize the torque/thrust generated
by the engine. In the case of the M14P and the V530, the prop is too small
and too short. It is capable of absorbing about 300hp not the full rated power
of the M14P. It is too short for best performance because of a desired ground
clearance in the Yak. Hitting the books will show the prop should be about
108" in diameter to be max tip speed for a wooden blade. At 94", it is far
too short. The 250 MT is 98" while the 260 is 102". The wilga has a 104" diameter
version of the 2 blade prop on a lesser HP engine. The books will also
show the blade planform and tip shape are not the best.
V530 240cm dia. 1320 lb static thrust
MTV9 with -29 blades 250cm dia. 1600lb static thrust
On Pitts model 12, MTV9 3 blade gave 10% increase in climb rate, 10mph top speed
increase and 6 mph cruise speed increase over V530 at matched power settings.
Another benefit of the 3 blade is that it has far less vibration than the
2 blade.
The price of an MTV9 3 blade is around $12k including the $1500 spinner assembly.
2 bladers are going for about $5-6k now without spinner and it you happen
to have a Yak 18T spinner, it too is would some big bucks. So, the actual difference
in price is not $14k but more like $5-6k.
We have sold several MTV9 3 blade props to Yak and Model 12 owners who had the
2 blade on their airplanes. Without exception, all have been well beyond happy
with the improved performance with the 3 blade.
I agree the Russians are pretty smart. In this case, they chose a less than
optimum prop design so that they could have a very rugged piece with the required
ground clearance for their relatively unimproved flying club fields.
Sincerely,
Kevin Kimball, VP Engineering
Jim Kimball Enterprises, Inc.
PO Box 849, 5354 Cemetery Rd.
Zellwood, FL 32798
407-889-3451 phone
407-889-7168 fax
http://www.jimkimballenterprises.com/
http://www.pittsmodel12.com/
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| Subject: | Somebody Stole Dorothy's Slippers |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jeff Pritchard" <Jeffpritchard@cox.net>
A guy gets lonely out here on the prairie.
Fiddler
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Somebody Stole Dorothy's Slippers
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
I don't know about that Fiddler. Your talking about consorting with a known
deviat YAK driver. Dude when you go YAK, you'll never go back!
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: Jeff Pritchard <Jeffpritchard@cox.net>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 10/17/2005 8:14:02 PM
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Somebody Stole Dorothy's Slippers
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jeff Pritchard" <Jeffpritchard@cox.net>
>
> Hey Houndog. Your just what I've been waitin' for! Call me @ 316 371
8562.
>
> Jeff "Fiddler" Pritchard
> CJ6A
> N815BB
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Frank Haertlein
> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 7:54 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Somebody Stole Dorothy's Slippers
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Frank Haertlein
<yak52driver@earthlink.net>
>
> Just went from Edwards AFB to Wichita with my 52. It took 5 fuel stops to
> make it.
>
> The Rockies were awsome! First time I ever went this far X-Country (1020
> miles) other than commercial.
>
> Hard to believe I've been flying since 87 and never went outside of
> Southwestern US.
>
> Northern AZ is a sight to behold at low level! Met allot of great people
all
> along the way.
>
> Anyway, I'm in Wichita for the next year or two. Looking for other
> Yakinators in the area.
>
> As a side note, first hand experience leads me to say that them
Kansasinians
> are real nice people!
>
> Best Regards
> Frank (Houndog) Haertlein
> YAK-52
> N9110M
> Formerly L71
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Just a few more facts and figures for those of you who weren't at Selma:
1) 30, yes three-zero, 30 airplanes showed up for the event. I believe this
was the largest gathering of Eastern Bloc aircraft on the East side of the
Country.
2) We only opened one cowl all weekend...and that was a quick fix. We only
used one scuba bottle one time. This is a testimony to the level of
maintenance and experience with our aircraft (or a bunch of good luck, but I
think we used all that up on the fantastic weather).
2) We accomplished getting 7 FAST cards issued. Here are some
introductions:
Stu Mosby: Yak 52, ex-AF fighter type, FAST Wing
Mike Bruno: Yak 52, A-10 driver, FAST Wing
Doc Kemp: Yak 52, F-16 driver, FAST Wing
Dennis Savarese: Yak 52, experienced Yak driver and maintainer, FAST
Wing
Ray Reeves: Yak 52, yes, we finally got Ray finished!
Phil Webb: Yak 52, current Navy helo pilot, FAST Wing
Scottie Patterson: Yak 52, Ex-AF, F-105 driver, over 100 missions over,
FAST Lead Requal'd
3) It used to be that the CJ was the airplane that showed up to fly at
formation clinics...52s were for flying acro by yourself...
Well, Yak drivers are coming out of the closet to fly with us, and we are
all having a great time...
4) We burned nearly 2500 gallons of AVGAS during the event (@ $3.19/gallon).
Thanks a ton, DOC, Dennis, Shane and Scottie for making this event fly. We
are all looking forward to Waycross and next years events!
Jeff Linebaugh
jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net
CJ-6P N621CJ
Memphis, TN
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OK...I guess I am clueless. I can't see the new photo attachments
capability on the Yak-list. I get the digest version, is this why? I have
tried looking at the HTML versions online also, and can't see them.
I guess it wasn't too big a deal until Pappy started bragging about what
people will do for sexy RPA Pilots, but now I gotta see what he was talking
about, cuz I have obviously been missing something...
Jeff Linebaugh
jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net
CJ-6P N621CJ
Memphis, TN
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In a message dated 10/18/2005 8:39:58 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
_jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net_ (mailto:jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net) writes:
Well done, well run. Good show Gentleman.
Pappy
Just a few more facts and figures for those of you who weren't at Selma:
1) 30, yes three-zero, 30 airplanes showed up for the event. I believe this
was the largest gathering of Eastern Bloc aircraft on the East side of the
Country.
2) We only opened one cowl all weekend...and that was a quick fix. We only
used one scuba bottle one time. This is a testimony to the level of
maintenance and experience with our aircraft (or a bunch of good luck, but I think
we
used all that up on the fantastic weather).
2) We accomplished getting 7 FAST cards issued. Here are some introductions:
Stu Mosby: Yak 52, ex-AF fighter type, FAST Wing
Mike Bruno: Yak 52, A-10 driver, FAST Wing
Doc Kemp: Yak 52, F-16 driver, FAST Wing
Dennis Savarese: Yak 52, experienced Yak driver and maintainer, FAST Wing
Ray Reeves: Yak 52, yes, we finally got Ray finished!
Phil Webb: Yak 52, current Navy helo pilot, FAST Wing
Scottie Patterson: Yak 52, Ex-AF, F-105 driver, over 100 missions over,
FAST Lead Requal'd
3) It used to be that the CJ was the airplane that showed up to fly at
formation clinics...52s were for flying acro by yourself...
Well, Yak drivers are coming out of the closet to fly with us, and we are
all having a great time...
4) We burned nearly 2500 gallons of AVGAS during the event (@ $3.19/gallon).
Thanks a ton, DOC, Dennis, Shane and Scottie for making this event fly. We
are all looking forward to Waycross and next years events!
Jeff Linebaugh
_jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net_ (mailto:jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net)
CJ-6P N621CJ
Memphis, TN
(http://www.incredimail.com/index.asp?id=409&lang=9)
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Looks like it was a real success, I wish I could have made it.
Ernie
On 10/18/05, cjpilot710@aol.com <cjpilot710@aol.com> wrote:
>
> In a message dated 10/18/2005 8:39:58 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net writes:
> Well done, well run. Good show Gentleman.
> Pappy
>
> Just a few more facts and figures for those of you who weren't at Selma:
> 1) 30, yes three-zero, 30 airplanes showed up for the event. I believe
> this was the largest gathering of Eastern Bloc aircraft on the East side of
> the Country.
> 2) We only opened one cowl all weekend...and that was a quick fix. We
> only used one scuba bottle one time. This is a testimony to the level of
> maintenance and experience with our aircraft (or a bunch of good luck, but I
> think we used all that up on the fantastic weather).
> 2) We accomplished getting 7 FAST cards issued. Here are some
> introductions:
> Stu Mosby: Yak 52, ex-AF fighter type, FAST Wing
> Mike Bruno: Yak 52, A-10 driver, FAST Wing
> Doc Kemp: Yak 52, F-16 driver, FAST Wing
> Dennis Savarese: Yak 52, experienced Yak driver and maintainer, FAST Wing
> Ray Reeves: Yak 52, yes, we finally got Ray finished!
> Phil Webb: Yak 52, current Navy helo pilot, FAST Wing
> Scottie Patterson: Yak 52, Ex-AF, F-105 driver, over 100 missions over,
> FAST Lead Requal'd
> 3) It used to be that the CJ was the airplane that showed up to fly at
> formation clinics...52s were for flying acro by yourself...
> Well, Yak drivers are coming out of the closet to fly with us, and we are
> all having a great time...
> 4) We burned nearly 2500 gallons of AVGAS during the event (@
> $3.19/gallon).
> Thanks a ton, DOC, Dennis, Shane and Scottie for making this event fly.
> We are all looking forward to Waycross and next years events!
> Jeff Linebaugh
> jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net
> *CJ-6P N621CJ*
> *Memphis, TN*
>
>
> [image: http://www.incredimail.com/index.asp?id409&lang9]<http://www.incredimail.com/index.asp?id409&lang9>
>
>
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Maybe another better solution is to send the engines to Motorstar for their full
overhaul - the Romanian engine producer for M14P model ( many hundreds engines
produced starting with 1986 ) . I assume that the price and quality will be
much better compared with the existing other sources . You can contact them to
aeromotors@xnet.ro , for Craciun Emilian ( the company president ) .
Sincerely ,
Cristian Dragoi
AEROSTAR -ROMANIA
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Jefferies
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 9:49 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Engine OH
Gents, why send engines to Russia? where if you are keen observers will note from Richard Goode postings it's a total nightmare to get stuff in and out of the country due to customs procedures (and criminality) Then what you get back is a Russian OH, ie oil leaks, and no records of fits clearances, parts used etc. You wont get a guaranteed return date either. You wont even get a guarantee! It is far better to send the engines to a Termikas vytas@termikas.com where they have an EASA part 145 shop specialising in these engine, typically 4 per month are built. For an additional 3000$ you can have 400 hp built into the engine. You will get a full inspection report with every fit and clearance, an crack inspection report from the subcontractors for all ally and steel crack inspection (EASA certified company) and you will also get a guaranteed return date. In addition Termikas are in the EU, this gives you legal recourse, not that it will ever be needed. With respect must be MAD sending stuff to Russia !!! Apologies to Russian reading this list its unfortunate but you know the situation first hand also. Vladamir, please feel free to contact Vytas, you will be doing your customers a favour having the work done in a controlled environment, business will be very easy to conduct, no worries. Either English or Russian language as you like. Regards, mj M-14 Warbird Drivers, Vladamir Yastremski is preparing a container of M-14 engines for shipment to the Russian overhaul facility. He has 7 engines now and needs 3 more to fill the container. If you are interested contact Vladamir at: _yastremski@sbcglobal.net_ (mailto:yastremski@sbcglobal.net)
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| Subject: | V-530 Versus MT Props |
The V-530 is a good prop, but the simple fact is that the blade profile is the
best that could be done 50 year's ago.
The MT -29 is now 2 year's old with the benefit of the advance in technology since
then.
Kevin is absolutely right about the diameter issue, and the fact that the V-530
was optimised for rough airfields.
In the final analysis the only SCIENTIFIC is to test the same aircraft on the same
day at the same weight, and correcting for pressure and temperature changes.
Do this and you will see the superiority of the MT propeller - which in any
case you would expect given the advance in technology!
Richard Goode
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Herefordshire
HR5 3LW
United Kingdom
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Mob: +44 (0) 7768 610389
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
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| Subject: | Re: Yak-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 10/17/05 |
>Time: 08:05:29 PM PST US
>From: "Richard Basiliere" <BasiliereR@ci.boulder.co.us>
>Subject: Re: Yak-List: Three blade brainwash. Two blade better
>
>Ok, Ok, I gotta weigh in here.
>Don Nelson, SU-26 Unlimited competitor, has flown both the MTV-9-260
>-27 and the new wide cord-29 - which he now runs - his comment to me (on
>trading MTV-3 for wide cord) "save your money, I can't tell the
>difference".
Richard,
I agree with you and Don Nelson. At OSH '04 we flew three identical Yak-52TW's
in close fingertip formation. Two had -27 blades and one had -29 blades. We tried
many different power settings, including MAX power, in climb and cruise. There
was ABSOLUTELY NO DIFFERENCE between all three planes in speed or climb.
On a Yak-52, when it comes to choosing between -27 and -29 blades, buy whichever
is the cheapest.
Cheers,
Steve Dalton
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Same here.
Deon.
_____
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ernest Martinez
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Selma
Looks like it was a real success, I wish I could have made it.
Ernie
On 10/18/05, cjpilot710@aol.com <cjpilot710@aol.com> wrote:
In a message dated 10/18/2005 8:39:58 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net writes:
Well done, well run. Good show Gentleman.
Pappy
Just a few more facts and figures for those of you who weren't at Selma:
1) 30, yes three-zero, 30 airplanes showed up for the event. I believe this
was the largest gathering of Eastern Bloc aircraft on the East side of the
Country.
2) We only opened one cowl all weekend...and that was a quick fix. We only
used one scuba bottle one time. This is a testimony to the level of
maintenance and experience with our aircraft (or a bunch of good luck, but I
think we used all that up on the fantastic weather).
2) We accomplished getting 7 FAST cards issued. Here are some
introductions:
Stu Mosby: Yak 52, ex-AF fighter type, FAST Wing
Mike Bruno: Yak 52, A-10 driver, FAST Wing
Doc Kemp: Yak 52, F-16 driver, FAST Wing
Dennis Savarese: Yak 52, experienced Yak driver and maintainer, FAST
Wing
Ray Reeves: Yak 52, yes, we finally got Ray finished!
Phil Webb: Yak 52, current Navy helo pilot, FAST Wing
Scottie Patterson: Yak 52, Ex-AF, F-105 driver, over 100 missions over,
FAST Lead Requal'd
3) It used to be that the CJ was the airplane that showed up to fly at
formation clinics...52s were for flying acro by yourself...
Well, Yak drivers are coming out of the closet to fly with us, and we are
all having a great time...
4) We burned nearly 2500 gallons of AVGAS during the event (@ $3.19/gallon).
Thanks a ton, DOC, Dennis, Shane and Scottie for making this event fly. We
are all looking forward to Waycross and next years events!
Jeff Linebaugh
jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net
CJ-6P N621CJ
Memphis, TN
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Fraser, Gus" <gus.fraser@gs.com>
Steve did you try an absolute vertical penetration test ? I bet the -29
would have kicked ass and taken names.
Gus
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven A. Dalton
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Yak-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 10/17/05
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>From: "Richard Basiliere" <BasiliereR@ci.boulder.co.us>
>Subject: Re: Yak-List: Three blade brainwash. Two blade better
>
>Ok, Ok, I gotta weigh in here.
>Don Nelson, SU-26 Unlimited competitor, has flown both the MTV-9-260
>-27 and the new wide cord-29 - which he now runs - his comment to me
>(on
>trading MTV-3 for wide cord) "save your money, I can't tell the
>difference".
Richard,
I agree with you and Don Nelson. At OSH '04 we flew three identical Yak-52TW's
in close fingertip formation. Two had -27 blades and one had -29 blades. We tried
many different power settings, including MAX power, in climb and cruise. There
was ABSOLUTELY NO DIFFERENCE between all three planes in speed or climb.
On a Yak-52, when it comes to choosing between -27 and -29 blades, buy whichever
is the cheapest.
Cheers,
Steve Dalton
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From: "Richard Basiliere" BasiliereR@ci.boulder.co.us
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Three blade brainwash. Two blade better
Ok, Ok, I gotta weigh in here.
Don Nelson, SU-26 Unlimited competitor, has flown both the MTV-9-260
-27 and the new wide cord-29 - which he now runs - his comment to me (on
trading MTV-3 for wide cord) "save your money, I can't tell the
difference".
Richard,
I agree with you and Don Nelson. At OSH '04 we flew three identical Yak-52TW's
in close fingertip formation. Two had -27 blades and one had -29 blades. We tried
many different power settings, including MAX power, in climb and cruise. There
was ABSOLUTELYNODIFFERENCE between all three planes in speed or climb. On
a Yak-52, when it comes to choosing between -27 and -29 blades, buywhichever
is the cheapest.
Cheers,
Steve Dalton
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Mark, in this small world, you should not need to denigrate your competition if
your product can sell on its own merits.
It is untrue to say that Russian engines are not guaranteed. The value of a guarantee
is in the person who writes it, and any decent seller of engines, wherever
they come from, will guarantee their product. We guarantee our Russian engines,
AND stand by those guarantees.
When I have spoken of 'nightmares,' I was purely talking about Russian Customs,
and where you have sufficient numbers of engines; the right contacts, it is not
a major problem.
The Voronezh Mechanical Plant actually have all spare parts needed. YOU will be
aware that engine rebuilders outside Russia have not had over-size piston rings,
and indeed other parts for sometime. VMP MAKES these parts for themselves.
Richard Goode
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Herefordshire
HR5 3LW
United Kingdom
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Mob: +44 (0) 7768 610389
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
dangerous content by the http://www.invictawiz.com
MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
The in line enclosures are only available on the real time version of
the List distribution. If you're subscribed to the digest version,
you won't see them.
Matt
At 05:41 AM 10/18/2005 Tuesday, you wrote:
>OK...I guess I am clueless. I can't see the new photo attachments
>capability on the Yak-list. I get the digest version, is this
>why? I have tried looking at the HTML versions online also, and
>can't see them.
>
>I guess it wasn't too big a deal until Pappy started bragging about
>what people will do for sexy RPA Pilots, but now I gotta see what he
>was talking about, cuz I have obviously been missing something...
>
>
>Jeff Linebaugh
><mailto:jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net>jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net
>CJ-6P N621CJ
>Memphis, TN
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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"'YAK USA LIST'" <yak-list@matronics.com>
guarantee is in the person who writes it--- I'm sure yourself and Vladamir
Yastremski would stand behind a guarantee you/ he offers but just try
getting your OH company in Russia to do the same!! Firstly you have to ship
the engine, through the nightmare of customs etc, remember both ways. Then
they will turn around and say you broke the seal, guarantee void. Been
there done that. They made an engine from scrap parts, found a log book
with 300 hrs and sold it as per the log book, OH with 300 hrs. The fact that
the cylinders were over second oversize mattered not, we had removed the
cylinder due to high oil consumption, the seal was broken so no guarantee.
This was at Shachty, this along with other crimes with airframes forced us
into the OH business, now market leader, as you say our product sells its
self.
Not sure who the other engine OH company you refer to but we don't have any
problems with sourcing the OEM parts you mention. Approx 4 engines per month
so we use quite a few!!
If anyone in USA wants piston rings call these people maybe easier then
dealing with Varonish, they make rings also, along with quite a few other
companies.
Federal-Mogul Corporation
26555 Northwestern Highway
Southfield, Michigan 48034
U.S.A.
Main Telephone: 248-354-7700
http://www.federal-mogul.com/cda/homepage/index
Our product does sell its self, the more people that purchase spread the
good word but in this "small world" not every one knows yet!!
Best regards
Mark
_____
From: Richard Goode [mailto:richard.goode@russianaeros.com]
Subject: Engine OH
Mark, in this small world, you should not need to denigrate your competition
if your product can sell on its own merits.
It is untrue to say that Russian engines are not guaranteed. The value of a
guarantee is in the person who writes it, and any decent seller of engines,
wherever they come from, will guarantee their product. We guarantee our
Russian engines, AND stand by those guarantees.
When I have spoken of 'nightmares,' I was purely talking about Russian
Customs, and where you have sufficient numbers of engines; the right
contacts, it is not a major problem.
The Voronezh Mechanical Plant actually have all spare parts needed. YOU
will be aware that engine rebuilders outside Russia have not had over-size
piston rings, and indeed other parts for sometime. VMP MAKES these parts
for themselves.
Richard Goode
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Herefordshire
HR5 3LW
United Kingdom
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Mob: +44 (0) 7768 610389
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
-
dangerous content by http://www.invictawiz.com
and is believed to be clean.
-
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| Subject: | Selma & FAST Patches |
Great news, Jeff! When you guys order your Wing patches be sure to note
whether you want them with or without Velcro backing.
Jeff, you wrote, "We nearly burned 2500 gallons of AVGAS at $3.19/gallon." I
don't get it. After two crippling hurricanes that have reduced daily fuel
production by a million barrels/day, you guys in Selma bought 100LL for $3.19,
while I paid $4.65 on Sunday in Novato, CA. Somebody explain this to me....please!
Thanks, Blitz
Byron M. Fox
RPA On-line Store
80 Milland Drive
Mill Valley, CA 94941
Home 415-380-0907 Eves
Cell 415-307-2405 Days
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| Subject: | Re: Selma & FAST Patches |
On Oct 18, 2005, at 2:11 PM, ByronMFox@aol.com wrote:
> Great news, Jeff! When you guys order your Wing patches be sure to
> note whether you want them with or without Velcro backing.
>
> Jeff, you wrote, "We nearly burned 2500 gallons of AVGAS at $3.19/
> gallon." I don't get it. After two crippling hurricanes that have
> reduced daily fuel production by a million barrels/day, you guys in
> Selma bought 100LL for $3.19, while I paid $4.65 on Sunday in
> Novato, CA. Somebody explain this to me....please!
>
You must remember dear brother Av Gas is brewed I believe only once
or twice a year and so production wasn't lost due to Katrina and her
sister Rita. All that is driving up the price of Av Gas are producers
passing along future cost not present ones. And if Selma got their
load awhile ago they are charging what it cost them then. Thus why I
can still get 100LL in NH for 3.15-3.75. The other side of the
equation -Jeff is one heck of a deal maker and got SEM to sell at
close to cost. If this is this case he needs to be the new board
member in charge of Fuel !
I bet Novato is charging like like an auto gas station, as are alot
of FBOs, moving the price up daily/weekly with market price not what
last load cost.
"SOB"
Yak 52
N3043R
http://homepage.mac.com/steve.fox/PhotoAlbum5.html
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| Subject: | Re: Selma & FAST Patches |
Blitz,
We discussed fuel prices with the FBO before the clinic and they confirmed they
would only charge us $.50 per gallon over their cost. They normally charge $1.00
over cost. The week of the clinic they received a fuel load. Their cost
for the fuel load was confirmed at $2.69 a gallon. Thus the $3.19. They are
getting fuel out of North Carolina.
Bottom line here is some avgas distributors coming out of the Gulf states are charging
far more than what the FBO at Selma paid for avgas. Here at Wetumpka,
AL (08A), the city owns the fuel pump and tank and charges only $.30 a gallon
over their cost. Remember gov't organizations are "not for profit". However,
when they received a load less than two weeks ago, the pump price went to $3.75
a gallon. Based on the present price, the city of Wetumpka most likely paid
$3.45 a gallon. Far more than Selma did. An Wetumpka pumps more than twice
the amount of avgas that Selma does.
I gave the airport manager at Wetumpka the name and contact information for the
folks in North Carolina who are supplying fuel to Selma.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: ByronMFox@aol.com
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 1:11 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Selma & FAST Patches
Great news, Jeff! When you guys order your Wing patches be sure to note whether
you want them with or without Velcro backing.
Jeff, you wrote, "We nearly burned 2500 gallons of AVGAS at $3.19/gallon." I
don't get it. After two crippling hurricanes that have reduced daily fuel production
by a million barrels/day, you guys in Selma bought 100LL for $3.19, while
I paid $4.65 on Sunday in Novato, CA. Somebody explain this to me....please!
Thanks, Blitz
Byron M. Fox
RPA On-line Store
80 Milland Drive
Mill Valley, CA 94941
Home 415-380-0907 Eves
Cell 415-307-2405 Days
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| Subject: | Re: Selma & FAST Patches |
In this case because Jeff is located in Memphis and Doc and I are located in AL
and only 40NM from Selma, Doc and I negotiated the fuel prices with Selma's FBO
a couple of months before the actual event.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Stephen Fox
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 1:30 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Selma & FAST Patches
On Oct 18, 2005, at 2:11 PM, ByronMFox@aol.com wrote:
Great news, Jeff! When you guys order your Wing patches be sure to note whether
you want them with or without Velcro backing.
Jeff, you wrote, "We nearly burned 2500 gallons of AVGAS at $3.19/gallon."
I don't get it. After two crippling hurricanes that have reduced daily fuel production
by a million barrels/day, you guys in Selma bought 100LL for $3.19, while
I paid $4.65 on Sunday in Novato, CA. Somebody explain this to me....please!
You must remember dear brother Av Gas is brewed I believe only once or twice
a year and so production wasn't lost due to Katrina and her sister Rita. All that
is driving up the price of Av Gas are producers passing along future cost
not present ones. And if Selma got their load awhile ago they are charging what
it cost them then. Thus why I can still get 100LL in NH for 3.15-3.75. The other
side of the equation -Jeff is one heck of a deal maker and got SEM to sell
at close to cost. If this is this case he needs to be the new board member in
charge of Fuel !
I bet Novato is charging like like an auto gas station, as are alot of FBOs,
moving the price up daily/weekly with market price not what last load cost.
"SOB"
Yak 52
N3043R
http://homepage.mac.com/steve.fox/PhotoAlbum5.html
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You missed a good one... Great Weather..good friends...good booze...and outstanding
flying!
Jeff you also deserve a round of thanks too! The Scheduler has the thankless job!
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: Ernest Martinez
Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Yak-List: Selma
Looks like it was a real success, I wish I could have made it.
Ernie
On 10/18/05, cjpilot710@aol.com <cjpilot710@aol.com> wrote:
In a message dated 10/18/2005 8:39:58 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net writes:
Well done, well run. Good show Gentleman.
Pappy
Just a few more facts and figures for those of you who weren't at Selma:
1) 30, yes three-zero, 30 airplanes showed up for the event. I believe this was
the largest gathering of Eastern Bloc aircraft on the East side of the Country.
2) We only opened one cowl all weekend...and that was a quick fix. We only used
one scuba bottle one time. This is a testimony to the level of maintenance and
experience with our aircraft (or a bunch of good luck, but I think we used
all that up on the fantastic weather).
2) We accomplished getting 7 FAST cards issued. Here are some introductions:
Stu Mosby: Yak 52, ex-AF fighter type, FAST Wing
Mike Bruno: Yak 52, A-10 driver, FAST Wing
Doc Kemp: Yak 52, F-16 driver, FAST Wing
Dennis Savarese: Yak 52, experienced Yak driver and maintainer, FAST Wing
Ray Reeves: Yak 52, yes, we finally got Ray finished!
Phil Webb: Yak 52, current Navy helo pilot, FAST Wing
Scottie Patterson: Yak 52, Ex-AF, F-105 driver, over 100 missions over, FAST
Lead Requal'd
3) It used to be that the CJ was the airplane that showed up to fly at formation
clinics...52s were for flying acro by yourself...
Well, Yak drivers are coming out of the closet to fly with us, and we are all having
a great time...
4) We burned nearly 2500 gallons of AVGAS during the event (@ $3.19/gallon).
Thanks a ton, DOC, Dennis, Shane and Scottie for making this event fly. We are
all looking forward to Waycross and next years events!
Jeff Linebaugh
jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net
CJ-6P N621CJ
Memphis, TN
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| Subject: | Selma & FAST Patches |
Its called a rip-off! All the AV gas for the end of the year has been made and
is in storage tanks. That was done before those two hurricanes hit town! It is
the oil suppliers gouging you and the FBO.
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From:
Subject: Yak-List: Selma & FAST Patches
Great news, Jeff! When you guys order your Wing patches be sure to note whether
you want them with or without Velcro backing.
Jeff, you wrote, "We nearly burned 2500 gallons of AVGAS at $3.19/gallon." I don't
get it. After two crippling hurricanes that have reduced daily fuel production
by a million barrels/day, you guys in Selma bought 100LL for $3.19, while
I paid $4.65 on Sunday in Novato, CA. Somebody explain this to me....please!
Thanks, Blitz
Byron M. Fox
RPA On-line Store
80 Milland Drive
Mill Valley, CA 94941
Home 415-380-0907 Eves
Cell 415-307-2405 Days
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| Subject: | Re: Selma & FAST Patches |
In a message dated 10/18/2005 11:49:29 AM Pacific Standard Time,
dsavarese@elmore.rr.com writes:
You must remember dear brother
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Linedogg,
Did you not see the 6x5 glossies passed around during mass brief? A little small
on top. They are still in Scottie's hahger as of Sun. afternoon! Hope Mary Ann
does not find them!
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Linebaugh
Subject: Yak-List: Photos
OK...I guess I am clueless. I can't see the new photo attachments capability on
the Yak-list. I get the digest version, is this why? I have tried looking
at the HTML versions online also, and can't see them.
I guess it wasn't too big a deal until Pappy started bragging about what people
will do for sexy RPA Pilots, but now I gotta see what he was talking about, cuz
I have obviously been missing something...
Jeff Linebaugh
jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net
CJ-6P N621CJ
Memphis, TN
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| Subject: | Re: Selma & FAST Patches |
If everyone who feels they are being gouged would do the same with FBO's as they
would do if a automobile gas station were gouging by notifying the Attorney
General of price gouging AND let the supplier know you will be notifying the Attorney
General because you feel they are price gouging, then maybe some of these
FBO's will take the hint that we who fly behind piston powered aircraft engines
are not going to sit back and let it go unnoticed. Do nothing and you
don't have a right to complain. Do something which by the way the Attorney General
has encouraged us to do, an maybe these suppliers will get the message.
The stuff in their tanks (auto or avgas) has already been paid for. Therefore
it is unfair to raise the prices unmercifully as they have been in anticipation
of what the next load will cost. Apply the same analogy to buying an automobile.
(ie: dealer's with inventory on their lots). Would that fly? I don't
think so. MANY state Attorney General's offices are very serious about price
gouging. They are here in Alabama and we see it on the news all the time about
the AG's office investigating price gouging accusations.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Roger Kemp
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 1:59 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Selma & FAST Patches
Its called a rip-off! All the AV gas for the end of the year has been made and
is in storage tanks. That was done before those two hurricanes hit town! It
is the oil suppliers gouging you and the FBO.
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From:
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: 10/18/2005 1:11:49 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Selma & FAST Patches
Great news, Jeff! When you guys order your Wing patches be sure to note whether
you want them with or without Velcro backing.
Jeff, you wrote, "We nearly burned 2500 gallons of AVGAS at $3.19/gallon."
I don't get it. After two crippling hurricanes that have reduced daily fuel production
by a million barrels/day, you guys in Selma bought 100LL for $3.19, while
I paid $4.65 on Sunday in Novato, CA. Somebody explain this to me....please!
Thanks, Blitz
Byron M. Fox
RPA On-line Store
80 Milland Drive
Mill Valley, CA 94941
Home 415-380-0907 Eves
Cell 415-307-2405 Days
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| Subject: | Re: Selma & FAST Patches |
In a message dated 10/18/2005 11:39:17 AM Pacific Standard Time,
jsfox@adelphia.net writes:
"You must remember dear brother.... "
Is it my imagination, or paranoia, or is my brother's tone a bit
condescending? He just loves it when I admit to not knowing something. Just the
nature of
little brothers, I suppose. ...Blitz
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| Subject: | Re: Selma & FAST Patches |
Actually, the FBO's may be partially to blame, but there is a middle man
between the producers and the retailers.....The distributors. I dont claim
to know when the AVGAS hit the producers tanks, but I know for a fact that
my local oil co which delivers gas here paid over $4.00 for their latest
batch of fuel. which means somewhere near $5.00 for us. Unfortunately for
them, no one here is going to buy it, since we can get it much cheaper at a
local municipal airfield with self serve gas. Currenly $3.27 for 100LL and
2.87 for Jet-A
Ernie
On 10/18/05, A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
>
> If everyone who feels they are being gouged would do the same with FBO's
> as they would do if a automobile gas station were gouging by notifying the
> Attorney General of price gouging AND let the supplier know you will be
> notifying the Attorney General because you feel they are price gouging, then
> maybe some of these FBO's will take the hint that we who fly behind piston
> powered aircraft engines are not going to sit back and let it go unnoticed.
> Do nothing and you don't have a right to complain. Do something which by the
> way the Attorney General has encouraged us to do, an maybe these suppliers
> will get the message.
> The stuff in their tanks (auto or avgas) has already been paid for.
> Therefore it is unfair to raise the prices unmercifully as they have been in
> anticipation of what the next load will cost. Apply the same analogy to
> buying an automobile. (ie: dealer's with inventory on their lots). Would
> that fly? I don't think so. MANY state Attorney General's offices are very
> serious about price gouging. They are here in Alabama and we see it on the
> news all the time about the AG's office investigating price gouging
> accusations.
> Dennis
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Roger Kemp <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> *To:* yak-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 18, 2005 1:59 PM
> *Subject:* RE: Yak-List: Selma & FAST Patches
>
> Its called a rip-off! All the AV gas for the end of the year has been
> made and is in storage tanks. That was done before those two hurricanes hit
> town! It is the oil suppliers gouging you and the FBO.
> Doc
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* <ByronMFox@aol.com>
> *To: *yak-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* 10/18/2005 1:11:49 PM
> *Subject:* Yak-List: Selma & FAST Patches
>
> Great news, Jeff! When you guys order your Wing patches be sure to note
> whether you want them with or without Velcro backing.
> Jeff, you wrote, "We nearly burned 2500 gallons of AVGAS at
> $3.19/gallon." I don't get it. After two crippling hurricanes that have
> reduced daily fuel production by a million barrels/day, you guys in Selma
> bought 100LL for $3.19, while I paid $4.65 on Sunday in Novato, CA. Somebody
> explain this to me....please!
> Thanks, Blitz
>
> Byron M. Fox
> RPA On-line Store
> 80 Milland Drive
> Mill Valley, CA 94941
> Home 415-380-0907 Eves
> Cell 415-307-2405 Days
>
>
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Well,
I wont miss WayCross which is right around the corner, and I'm going to
clear my calendar for next years SEL.
Ernie
On 10/18/05, Roger Kemp <viperdoc@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> You missed a good one... Great Weather..good friends...good booze...and
> outstanding flying!
> Jeff you also deserve a round of thanks too! The Scheduler has the
> thankless job!
> Doc
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
> *To: *yak-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* 10/18/2005 8:46:35 AM
> *Subject:* [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Yak-List: Selma
>
> Looks like it was a real success, I wish I could have made it.
>
> Ernie
>
> On 10/18/05, cjpilot710@aol.com <cjpilot710@aol.com> wrote:
> >
> > In a message dated 10/18/2005 8:39:58 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> > jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net writes:
> > Well done, well run. Good show Gentleman.
> > Pappy
> >
> > Just a few more facts and figures for those of you who weren't at
> > Selma:
> > 1) 30, yes three-zero, 30 airplanes showed up for the event. I believe
> > this was the largest gathering of Eastern Bloc aircraft on the East side of
> > the Country.
> > 2) We only opened one cowl all weekend...and that was a quick fix. We
> > only used one scuba bottle one time. This is a testimony to the level of
> > maintenance and experience with our aircraft (or a bunch of good luck, but
I
> > think we used all that up on the fantastic weather).
> > 2) We accomplished getting 7 FAST cards issued. Here are some
> > introductions:
> > Stu Mosby: Yak 52, ex-AF fighter type, FAST Wing
> > Mike Bruno: Yak 52, A-10 driver, FAST Wing
> > Doc Kemp: Yak 52, F-16 driver, FAST Wing
> > Dennis Savarese: Yak 52, experienced Yak driver and maintainer, FAST
> > Wing
> > Ray Reeves: Yak 52, yes, we finally got Ray finished!
> > Phil Webb: Yak 52, current Navy helo pilot, FAST Wing
> > Scottie Patterson: Yak 52, Ex-AF, F-105 driver, over 100 missions over,
> > FAST Lead Requal'd
> > 3) It used to be that the CJ was the airplane that showed up to fly at
> > formation clinics...52s were for flying acro by yourself...
> > Well, Yak drivers are coming out of the closet to fly with us, and we
> > are all having a great time...
> > 4) We burned nearly 2500 gallons of AVGAS during the event (@
> > $3.19/gallon).
> > Thanks a ton, DOC, Dennis, Shane and Scottie for making this event
> > fly. We are all looking forward to Waycross and next years events!
> > Jeff Linebaugh
> > jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net
> > *CJ-6P N621CJ*
> > *Memphis, TN*
> >
> >
> >
> > [image: http://www.incredimail.com/index.asp?id409&lang9]<http://www.incredimail.com/index.asp?id409&lang9>
> >
> >
>
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Your point is well taken Ernie. But once a price gouging notification is sent
to the state's Attorney General's office, the investigation goes all the way from
the retailer to the supplier.
Dennis
p.s. Are you paying $3.27 at Ocala?
----- Original Message -----
From: Ernest Martinez
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 2:34 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Selma & FAST Patches
Actually, the FBO's may be partially to blame, but there is a middle man between
the producers and the retailers.....The distributors. I dont claim to know
when the AVGAS hit the producers tanks, but I know for a fact that my local oil
co which delivers gas here paid over $4.00 for their latest batch of fuel.
which means somewhere near $5.00 for us. Unfortunately for them, no one here is
going to buy it, since we can get it much cheaper at a local municipal airfield
with self serve gas. Currenly $3.27 for 100LL and 2.87 for Jet-A
Ernie
On 10/18/05, A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
If everyone who feels they are being gouged would do the same with FBO's as
they would do if a automobile gas station were gouging by notifying the Attorney
General of price gouging AND let the supplier know you will be notifying the
Attorney General because you feel they are price gouging, then maybe some of
these FBO's will take the hint that we who fly behind piston powered aircraft
engines are not going to sit back and let it go unnoticed. Do nothing and
you don't have a right to complain. Do something which by the way the Attorney
General has encouraged us to do, an maybe these suppliers will get the message.
The stuff in their tanks (auto or avgas) has already been paid for. Therefore
it is unfair to raise the prices unmercifully as they have been in anticipation
of what the next load will cost. Apply the same analogy to buying an automobile.
(ie: dealer's with inventory on their lots). Would that fly? I don't
think so. MANY state Attorney General's offices are very serious about price
gouging. They are here in Alabama and we see it on the news all the time
about the AG's office investigating price gouging accusations.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Roger Kemp
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 1:59 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Selma & FAST Patches
Its called a rip-off! All the AV gas for the end of the year has been made
and is in storage tanks. That was done before those two hurricanes hit town!
It is the oil suppliers gouging you and the FBO.
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From:
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: 10/18/2005 1:11:49 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Selma & FAST Patches
Great news, Jeff! When you guys order your Wing patches be sure to note
whether you want them with or without Velcro backing.
Jeff, you wrote, "We nearly burned 2500 gallons of AVGAS at $3.19/gallon."
I don't get it. After two crippling hurricanes that have reduced daily fuel
production by a million barrels/day, you guys in Selma bought 100LL for $3.19,
while I paid $4.65 on Sunday in Novato, CA. Somebody explain this to me....please!
Thanks, Blitz
Byron M. Fox
RPA On-line Store
80 Milland Drive
Mill Valley, CA 94941
Home 415-380-0907 Eves
Cell 415-307-2405 Days
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Waycross will now be in early March Ernie.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Ernest Martinez
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 2:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Yak-List: Selma
Well,
I wont miss WayCross which is right around the corner, and I'm going to clear
my calendar for next years SEL.
Ernie
On 10/18/05, Roger Kemp <viperdoc@mindspring.com> wrote:
You missed a good one... Great Weather..good friends...good booze...and outstanding
flying!
Jeff you also deserve a round of thanks too! The Scheduler has the thankless
job!
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: Ernest Martinez
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: 10/18/2005 8:46:35 AM
Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Yak-List: Selma
Looks like it was a real success, I wish I could have made it.
Ernie
On 10/18/05, cjpilot710@aol.com <cjpilot710@aol.com> wrote:
In a message dated 10/18/2005 8:39:58 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net writes:
Well done, well run. Good show Gentleman.
Pappy
Just a few more facts and figures for those of you who weren't
at Selma:
1) 30, yes three-zero, 30 airplanes showed up for the event. I
believe this was the largest gathering of Eastern Bloc aircraft on the East side
of the Country.
2) We only opened one cowl all weekend...and that was a quick fix.
We only used one scuba bottle one time. This is a testimony to the level
of maintenance and experience with our aircraft (or a bunch of good luck, but
I think we used all that up on the fantastic weather).
2) We accomplished getting 7 FAST cards issued. Here are some
introductions:
Stu Mosby: Yak 52, ex-AF fighter type, FAST Wing
Mike Bruno: Yak 52, A-10 driver, FAST Wing
Doc Kemp: Yak 52, F-16 driver, FAST Wing
Dennis Savarese: Yak 52, experienced Yak driver and maintainer,
FAST Wing
Ray Reeves: Yak 52, yes, we finally got Ray finished!
Phil Webb: Yak 52, current Navy helo pilot, FAST Wing
Scottie Patterson: Yak 52, Ex-AF, F-105 driver, over 100 missions
over, FAST Lead Requal'd
3) It used to be that the CJ was the airplane that showed up to
fly at formation clinics...52s were for flying acro by yourself...
Well, Yak drivers are coming out of the closet to fly with us,
and we are all having a great time...
4) We burned nearly 2500 gallons of AVGAS during the event (@ $3.19/gallon).
Thanks a ton, DOC, Dennis, Shane and Scottie for making this event
fly. We are all looking forward to Waycross and next years events!
Jeff Linebaugh
jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net
CJ-6P N621CJ
Memphis, TN
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Thats nice, lets aim for even colder dates :)
Ernie
On 10/18/05, A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
>
> Waycross will now be in early March Ernie.
> Dennis
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
> *To:* yak-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 18, 2005 2:35 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Yak-List: Selma
>
> Well,
>
> I wont miss WayCross which is right around the corner, and I'm going to
> clear my calendar for next years SEL.
>
> Ernie
>
> On 10/18/05, Roger Kemp <viperdoc@mindspring.com> wrote:
> >
> > You missed a good one... Great Weather..good friends...good booze...and
> > outstanding flying!
> > Jeff you also deserve a round of thanks too! The Scheduler has the
> > thankless job!
> > Doc
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > *From:* Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
> > *To: *yak-list@matronics.com
> > *Sent:* 10/18/2005 8:46:35 AM
> > *Subject:* [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Yak-List: Selma
> >
> > Looks like it was a real success, I wish I could have made it.
> >
> > Ernie
> >
> > On 10/18/05, cjpilot710@aol.com <cjpilot710@aol.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > In a message dated 10/18/2005 8:39:58 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> > > jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net writes:
> > > Well done, well run. Good show Gentleman.
> > > Pappy
> > >
> > > Just a few more facts and figures for those of you who weren't at
> > > Selma:
> > > 1) 30, yes three-zero, 30 airplanes showed up for the event. I
> > > believe this was the largest gathering of Eastern Bloc aircraft on the East
> > > side of the Country.
> > > 2) We only opened one cowl all weekend...and that was a quick fix. We
> > > only used one scuba bottle one time. This is a testimony to the level of
> > > maintenance and experience with our aircraft (or a bunch of good luck, but
I
> > > think we used all that up on the fantastic weather).
> > > 2) We accomplished getting 7 FAST cards issued. Here are some
> > > introductions:
> > > Stu Mosby: Yak 52, ex-AF fighter type, FAST Wing
> > > Mike Bruno: Yak 52, A-10 driver, FAST Wing
> > > Doc Kemp: Yak 52, F-16 driver, FAST Wing
> > > Dennis Savarese: Yak 52, experienced Yak driver and maintainer, FAST
> > > Wing
> > > Ray Reeves: Yak 52, yes, we finally got Ray finished!
> > > Phil Webb: Yak 52, current Navy helo pilot, FAST Wing
> > > Scottie Patterson: Yak 52, Ex-AF, F-105 driver, over 100 missions
> > > over, FAST Lead Requal'd
> > > 3) It used to be that the CJ was the airplane that showed up to fly
> > > at formation clinics...52s were for flying acro by yourself...
> > > Well, Yak drivers are coming out of the closet to fly with us, and we
> > > are all having a great time...
> > > 4) We burned nearly 2500 gallons of AVGAS during the event (@
> > > $3.19/gallon).
> > > Thanks a ton, DOC, Dennis, Shane and Scottie for making this event
> > > fly. We are all looking forward to Waycross and next years events!
> > > Jeff Linebaugh
> > > jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net
> > > *CJ-6P N621CJ*
> > > *Memphis, TN*
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [image: http://www.incredimail.com/index.asp?id409&lang9]<http://www.incredimail.com/index.asp?id409&lang9>
> > >
> > >
> >
>
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No not Ocala, X35 Dunnelleon
Ernie
On 10/18/05, A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
>
> Your point is well taken Ernie. But once a price gouging notification is
> sent to the state's Attorney General's office, the investigation goes all
> the way from the retailer to the supplier.
> Dennis
> p.s. Are you paying $3.27 at Ocala?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
> *To:* yak-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 18, 2005 2:34 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Yak-List: Selma & FAST Patches
>
> Actually, the FBO's may be partially to blame, but there is a middle man
> between the producers and the retailers.....The distributors. I dont claim
> to know when the AVGAS hit the producers tanks, but I know for a fact that
> my local oil co which delivers gas here paid over $4.00 for their latest
> batch of fuel. which means somewhere near $5.00 for us. Unfortunately for
> them, no one here is going to buy it, since we can get it much cheaper at a
> local municipal airfield with self serve gas. Currenly $3.27 for 100LL and
> 2.87 for Jet-A
>
> Ernie
>
> On 10/18/05, A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
> >
> > If everyone who feels they are being gouged would do the same with FBO's
> > as they would do if a automobile gas station were gouging by notifying the
> > Attorney General of price gouging AND let the supplier know you will be
> > notifying the Attorney General because you feel they are price gouging, then
> > maybe some of these FBO's will take the hint that we who fly behind piston
> > powered aircraft engines are not going to sit back and let it go unnoticed.
> > Do nothing and you don't have a right to complain. Do something which by the
> > way the Attorney General has encouraged us to do, an maybe these suppliers
> > will get the message.
> > The stuff in their tanks (auto or avgas) has already been paid for.
> > Therefore it is unfair to raise the prices unmercifully as they have been in
> > anticipation of what the next load will cost. Apply the same analogy to
> > buying an automobile. (ie: dealer's with inventory on their lots). Would
> > that fly? I don't think so. MANY state Attorney General's offices are very
> > serious about price gouging. They are here in Alabama and we see it on the
> > news all the time about the AG's office investigating price gouging
> > accusations.
> > Dennis
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > *From:* Roger Kemp <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> > *To:* yak-list@matronics.com
> > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 18, 2005 1:59 PM
> > *Subject:* RE: Yak-List: Selma & FAST Patches
> >
> > Its called a rip-off! All the AV gas for the end of the year has been
> > made and is in storage tanks. That was done before those two hurricanes hit
> > town! It is the oil suppliers gouging you and the FBO.
> > Doc
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > *From:* <ByronMFox@aol.com>
> > *To: *yak-list@matronics.com
> > *Sent:* 10/18/2005 1:11:49 PM
> > *Subject:* Yak-List: Selma & FAST Patches
> >
> > Great news, Jeff! When you guys order your Wing patches be sure to note
> > whether you want them with or without Velcro backing.
> > Jeff, you wrote, "We nearly burned 2500 gallons of AVGAS at
> > $3.19/gallon." I don't get it. After two crippling hurricanes that have
> > reduced daily fuel production by a million barrels/day, you guys in Selma
> > bought 100LL for $3.19, while I paid $4.65 on Sunday in Novato, CA. Somebody
> > explain this to me....please!
> > Thanks, Blitz
> >
> > Byron M. Fox
> > RPA On-line Store
> > 80 Milland Drive
> > Mill Valley, CA 94941
> > Home 415-380-0907 Eves
> > Cell 415-307-2405 Days
> >
> >
>
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Talked to Shane Golden last night.
We're planning on Jan. 18 to 22nd for the Waycross, clinic.
The locals are looking forward to us again and have some better facilities
for us.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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On Oct 18, 2005, at 3:21 PM, ByronMFox@aol.com wrote:
> Is it my imagination, or paranoia, or is my brother's tone a bit
> condescending? He just loves it when I admit to not knowing
> something. Just the nature of little brothers, I suppose. ...Blitz
Just because your paranoid doesn't mean they're are really not out to
get you.
Steve "SOB" Fox
Yak 52
N3043R
http://homepage.mac.com/steve.fox/PhotoAlbum5.html
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Jan!!! I'm gonna wire up my flight suit for heat.
Ernie
On 10/18/05, cjpilot710@aol.com <cjpilot710@aol.com> wrote:
>
> Talked to Shane Golden last night.
> We're planning on Jan. 18 to 22nd for the Waycross, clinic.
> The locals are looking forward to us again and have some better
> facilities for us.
> Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
>
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Mark said:
>With respect must be MAD sending stuff to Russia !!! Apologies to Russian
>reading this list its unfortunate but you know the situation first hand
>also.
>
>Vladamir, please feel free to contact Vytas, you will be doing your
>customers a favour having the work done in a controlled environment,
>business will be very easy to conduct, no worries. Either English or Russian
>language as you like.
>
>Regards, mj
As my comic hero "Popeye" says: "I had all I can stand and I can't stands no more"
This is the 2nd batch of engines Vladimir is getting OH. One of my engines was
in that 1st batch and I'm a satisfied customer at this point, and, the price was
really great, without a gaint markup fluffed up on hype. I don't know much
about OH's in the old Eastern Block but I do know Vlad and I feel that he is an
honorable man and fair guy to deal with. He worked all the details and spared
me the logistics.
Take care that you don't not alienate the largest market of M-14P owners in the
private sector.
Craig Payne
cpayne@joimail.com
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Colder than January?
----- Original Message -----
From: Ernest Martinez
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 2:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Yak-List: Selma
Thats nice, lets aim for even colder dates :)
Ernie
On 10/18/05, A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
Waycross will now be in early March Ernie.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Ernest Martinez
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 2:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Yak-List: Selma
Well,
I wont miss WayCross which is right around the corner, and I'm going to clear
my calendar for next years SEL.
Ernie
On 10/18/05, Roger Kemp <viperdoc@mindspring.com> wrote:
You missed a good one... Great Weather..good friends...good booze...and
outstanding flying!
Jeff you also deserve a round of thanks too! The Scheduler has the thankless
job!
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: Ernest Martinez
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: 10/18/2005 8:46:35 AM
Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Yak-List: Selma
Looks like it was a real success, I wish I could have made it.
Ernie
On 10/18/05, cjpilot710@aol.com <cjpilot710@aol.com> wrote:
In a message dated 10/18/2005 8:39:58 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net writes:
Well done, well run. Good show Gentleman.
Pappy
Just a few more facts and figures for those of you who weren't
at Selma:
1) 30, yes three-zero, 30 airplanes showed up for the event.
I believe this was the largest gathering of Eastern Bloc aircraft on the East
side of the Country.
2) We only opened one cowl all weekend...and that was a quick
fix. We only used one scuba bottle one time. This is a testimony to the level
of maintenance and experience with our aircraft (or a bunch of good luck,
but I think we used all that up on the fantastic weather).
2) We accomplished getting 7 FAST cards issued. Here are some
introductions:
Stu Mosby: Yak 52, ex-AF fighter type, FAST Wing
Mike Bruno: Yak 52, A-10 driver, FAST Wing
Doc Kemp: Yak 52, F-16 driver, FAST Wing
Dennis Savarese: Yak 52, experienced Yak driver and maintainer,
FAST Wing
Ray Reeves: Yak 52, yes, we finally got Ray finished!
Phil Webb: Yak 52, current Navy helo pilot, FAST Wing
Scottie Patterson: Yak 52, Ex-AF, F-105 driver, over 100
missions over, FAST Lead Requal'd
3) It used to be that the CJ was the airplane that showed up
to fly at formation clinics...52s were for flying acro by yourself...
Well, Yak drivers are coming out of the closet to fly with
us, and we are all having a great time...
4) We burned nearly 2500 gallons of AVGAS during the event
(@ $3.19/gallon).
Thanks a ton, DOC, Dennis, Shane and Scottie for making this
event fly. We are all looking forward to Waycross and next years events!
Jeff Linebaugh
jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net
CJ-6P N621CJ
Memphis, TN
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I thought it was decided at Selma to move it to March?
----- Original Message -----
From: cjpilot710@aol.com
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 3:41 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Waycross
Talked to Shane Golden last night.
We're planning on Jan. 18 to 22nd for the Waycross, clinic.
The locals are looking forward to us again and have some better facilities for
us.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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Its always been in March
Ernie
On 10/18/05, A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
>
> I thought it was decided at Selma to move it to March?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* cjpilot710@aol.com
> *To:* yak-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 18, 2005 3:41 PM
> *Subject:* Yak-List: Waycross
>
> Talked to Shane Golden last night.
> We're planning on Jan. 18 to 22nd for the Waycross, clinic.
> The locals are looking forward to us again and have some better
> facilities for us.
> Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
>
>
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Not last year! It was in January.
----- Original Message -----
From: Ernest Martinez
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Waycross
Its always been in March
Ernie
On 10/18/05, A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
I thought it was decided at Selma to move it to March?
----- Original Message -----
From: cjpilot710@aol.com
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 3:41 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Waycross
Talked to Shane Golden last night.
We're planning on Jan. 18 to 22nd for the Waycross, clinic.
The locals are looking forward to us again and have some better facilities
for us.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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| Subject: | Swamp Dragon MiniClinic? |
Floridian RedStars,
Now that the best weather lies ahead this fall (goes from good to better down here),
do I hear any interest in a mini-clinic? I'm talking a weekend gig. We did
one at Leeward and it was very focused and productive. Spread the word to Non-Listers;
I know of at least 4 budding wingmen who just need some more work.
Craig Payne
cpayne@joimail.com
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| Subject: | Re: Swamp Dragon MiniClinic? |
I'd be more than happy to host you guys again this year. If we can agree on
a date and get some commitments, I can arrange for hotels, but I need to
have commitments early since there are lots of events this time of the year
which makes hotels scarce.
Also cheap gas at Dunnelleon @ $3.27 currently, and I know the guys at the
Yankee AF there who could probably arrange for facilities for us if we
decided to base out of there.
Ernie
On 10/18/05, Craig Payne <cpayne@joimail.com> wrote:
>
> Floridian RedStars,
> Now that the best weather lies ahead this fall (goes from good to better
> down here), do I hear any interest in a mini-clinic? I'm talking a weekend
> gig. We did one at Leeward and it was very focused and productive. Spread
> the word to Non-Listers; I know of at least 4 budding wingmen who just need
> some more work.
> Craig Payne
> cpayne@joimail.com
>
>
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Are you sure????
Ernie
On 10/18/05, A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
>
> Not last year! It was in January.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
> *To:* yak-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 18, 2005 4:48 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Yak-List: Waycross
>
> Its always been in March
>
> Ernie
>
> On 10/18/05, A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
> >
> > I thought it was decided at Selma to move it to March?
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > *From:* cjpilot710@aol.com
> > *To:* yak-list@matronics.com
> > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 18, 2005 3:41 PM
> > *Subject:* Yak-List: Waycross
> >
> > Talked to Shane Golden last night.
> > We're planning on Jan. 18 to 22nd for the Waycross, clinic.
> > The locals are looking forward to us again and have some better
> > facilities for us.
> > Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
> >
> >
>
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| Subject: | Re: Swamp Dragon MiniClinic? |
Sign me up Craig.
Terry Lewis
----- Original Message -----
From: Craig Payne
To: yak-list
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 6:00 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Swamp Dragon MiniClinic?
Floridian RedStars,
Now that the best weather lies ahead this fall (goes from good to better down
here), do I hear any interest in a mini-clinic? I'm talking a weekend gig. We
did one at Leeward and it was very focused and productive. Spread the word to
Non-Listers; I know of at least 4 budding wingmen who just need some more work.
Craig Payne
cpayne@joimail.com
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yet?
| Subject: | 3rd Annual Waycross RPA Fly-In Anybody got a good name for |
this one
yet?
It's almost time once again for beer, BBQ, and gator buzzing in South GA.
The 3rd annual Waycross, GA fly-in will be held 18-22 Jan 2006.
Waycross has just spent around 2Mil on the airport and facilities. Jimmy
Brown has offered us the use of the brand new fire station/conference room
for classes and briefings. The tentative plan is to hold a FAST ground
school that Thursday afternoon/evening so we have three full days to fly.
If you plan on attending email me and/or sign up @ flyredstar.org.
Thanks,
Shane Golden
803-629-7456 Cell
803-532-9063 Home
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Yep! The reason is because my wife's birthday was during the event and I wasn't
home for it. You were there and freezing your butt off. That I DO remember.
-)
----- Original Message -----
From: Ernest Martinez
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 5:29 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Waycross
Are you sure????
Ernie
On 10/18/05, A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
Not last year! It was in January.
----- Original Message -----
From: Ernest Martinez
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Waycross
Its always been in March
Ernie
On 10/18/05, A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
I thought it was decided at Selma to move it to March?
----- Original Message -----
From: cjpilot710@aol.com
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 3:41 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Waycross
Talked to Shane Golden last night.
We're planning on Jan. 18 to 22nd for the Waycross, clinic.
The locals are looking forward to us again and have some better facilities
for us.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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Yes, Ernie, it was in Jan. this past year. I distinctly remember the freezing gale
down there. It was only by mid July did I coax my near frozen right testicle
out of my ass!
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: A. Dennis Savarese
Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Yak-List: Waycross
Not last year! It was in January.
----- Original Message -----
From: Ernest Martinez
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Waycross
Its always been in March
Ernie
On 10/18/05, A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
I thought it was decided at Selma to move it to March?
----- Original Message -----
From: cjpilot710@aol.com
Subject: Yak-List: Waycross
Talked to Shane Golden last night.
We're planning on Jan. 18 to 22nd for the Waycross, clinic.
The locals are looking forward to us again and have some better facilities for
us.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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If you want colder..shoot for Feb. I'll never see my right testicle again.
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: A. Dennis Savarese
Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Yak-List: Selma
Colder than January?
----- Original Message -----
From: Ernest Martinez
Subject: Re: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Yak-List: Selma
Thats nice, lets aim for even colder dates :)
Ernie
On 10/18/05, A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
Waycross will now be in early March Ernie.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Ernest Martinez
Subject: Re: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Yak-List: Selma
Well,
I wont miss WayCross which is right around the corner, and I'm going to clear my
calendar for next years SEL.
Ernie
On 10/18/05, Roger Kemp <viperdoc@mindspring.com> wrote:
You missed a good one... Great Weather..good friends...good booze...and outstanding
flying!
Jeff you also deserve a round of thanks too! The Scheduler has the thankless job!
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: Ernest Martinez
Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Yak-List: Selma
Looks like it was a real success, I wish I could have made it.
Ernie
On 10/18/05, cjpilot710@aol.com <cjpilot710@aol.com> wrote:
In a message dated 10/18/2005 8:39:58 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net writes:
Well done, well run. Good show Gentleman.
Pappy
Just a few more facts and figures for those of you who weren't at Selma:
1) 30, yes three-zero, 30 airplanes showed up for the event. I believe this was
the largest gathering of Eastern Bloc aircraft on the East side of the Country.
2) We only opened one cowl all weekend...and that was a quick fix. We only used
one scuba bottle one time. This is a testimony to the level of maintenance and
experience with our aircraft (or a bunch of good luck, but I think we used
all that up on the fantastic weather).
2) We accomplished getting 7 FAST cards issued. Here are some introductions:
Stu Mosby: Yak 52, ex-AF fighter type, FAST Wing
Mike Bruno: Yak 52, A-10 driver, FAST Wing
Doc Kemp: Yak 52, F-16 driver, FAST Wing
Dennis Savarese: Yak 52, experienced Yak driver and maintainer, FAST Wing
Ray Reeves: Yak 52, yes, we finally got Ray finished!
Phil Webb: Yak 52, current Navy helo pilot, FAST Wing
Scottie Patterson: Yak 52, Ex-AF, F-105 driver, over 100 missions over, FAST
Lead Requal'd
3) It used to be that the CJ was the airplane that showed up to fly at formation
clinics...52s were for flying acro by yourself...
Well, Yak drivers are coming out of the closet to fly with us, and we are all having
a great time...
4) We burned nearly 2500 gallons of AVGAS during the event (@ $3.19/gallon).
Thanks a ton, DOC, Dennis, Shane and Scottie for making this event fly. We are
all looking forward to Waycross and next years events!
Jeff Linebaugh
jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net
CJ-6P N621CJ
Memphis, TN
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| Subject: | 2,500 and climbing |
For section take offs that I lead I have a standing instruction, with
few exceptions, to my wingmen =96 =93when my chin hits my chest firewall
your throttle and leave it there, I will maintain appropriate
positioning ahead of you=94. This lets both of us get off quickly while
maintaining a good formation. I always have had an ample power reserve.
I fly a CJ with the M14-P and the smaller 250cm MT prop. ( I used to
fly with the 260 cm Whirlwind, and that had greater thrust).
I=92m usually off the ground in 800-900 feet by holding the nose wheel
just a little off the ground. By the time the gear is up I=92m passing
through 100+ knots and settling into a climb. On a bad day that may be
around 2,500 fpm, on a good day it will push close to 3,000. It may not
keep up with a Yak 50, but I=92m happy with it.
Against a fast CJ with a 285 and a two bladed prop I=92m only marginally
faster. When Blitz gets a lead I work to catch up. I have never had
any trouble catching up to a CJ with the M14-P and big Russian 2 bladed
paddle prop.
I=92m wondering if the 52 with the paddle prop is already so far into the
rising drag curve that adding more thrust via the 3 bladed prop does not
make much difference in top speed. I would think there would still be a
substantial increase in climb. Strange how varied the results are.
Batman
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10/17/2005
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Yes it was brutal, but that isnt the norm, hopefully this year will be
warmer.
Ernie
On 10/18/05, Roger Kemp <viperdoc@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> Yes, Ernie, it was in Jan. this past year. I distinctly remember the
> freezing gale down there. It was only by mid July did I coax my near frozen
> right testicle out of my ass!
> Doc
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
> *To: *yak-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* 10/18/2005 4:58:12 PM
> *Subject:* [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Yak-List: Waycross
>
> Not last year! It was in January.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
> *To:* yak-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 18, 2005 4:48 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Yak-List: Waycross
>
> Its always been in March
>
> Ernie
>
> On 10/18/05, A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
> >
> > I thought it was decided at Selma to move it to March?
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > *From:* cjpilot710@aol.com
> > *To:* yak-list@matronics.com
> > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 18, 2005 3:41 PM
> > *Subject:* Yak-List: Waycross
> >
> > Talked to Shane Golden last night.
> > We're planning on Jan. 18 to 22nd for the Waycross, clinic.
> > The locals are looking forward to us again and have some better
> > facilities for us.
> > Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
> >
> >
>
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| Subject: | Re: 2,500 and climbing |
2,500 and climbingThe Clark Y airfoil has much to do with how fast one can make
the Yak 52 go.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Harold H. Morley
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 6:17 PM
Subject: Yak-List: 2,500 and climbing
For section take offs that I lead I have a standing instruction, with few exceptions,
to my wingmen =96 =93when my chin hits my chest firewall your throttle
and leave it there, I will maintain appropriate positioning ahead of you=94.
This lets both of us get off quickly while maintaining a good formation. I
always have had an ample power reserve. I fly a CJ with the M14-P and the smaller
250cm MT prop. ( I used to fly with the 260 cm Whirlwind, and that had greater
thrust).
Against a fast CJ with a 285 and a two bladed prop I=92m only marginally faster.
When Blitz gets a lead I work to catch up. I have never had any trouble
catching up to a CJ with the M14-P and big Russian 2 bladed paddle prop.
Batman
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FSRs (Florida Swamp Rats). Batten down the hatches! Here comes Wilma.
Craig, you want to fly your airplane up here?
Pappy.
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It just may hit us up here Jim! But then again, Craig seems to be a magnet
:)
Ernie
On 10/18/05, cjpilot710@aol.com <cjpilot710@aol.com> wrote:
>
> FSRs (Florida Swamp Rats). Batten down the hatches! Here comes Wilma.
> Craig, you want to fly your airplane up here?
> Pappy.
>
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In a message dated 10/18/2005 9:02:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
erniel29@gmail.com writes:
Yea, I forgot about him being a magnet. Ah - - maybe Craig you should just
stay where you are. :)
Pappy
It just may hit us up here Jim! But then again, Craig seems to be a magnet
:)
Ernie
On 10/18/05, _cjpilot710@aol.com_ (mailto:cjpilot710@aol.com)
<_cjpilot710@aol.com_ (mailto:cjpilot710@aol.com) > wrote:
FSRs (Florida Swamp Rats). Batten down the hatches! Here comes Wilma.
Craig, you want to fly your airplane up here?
Pappy.
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| Subject: | Selma Fly-In Pictures and Video |
Pictures and Video from the Selma Fly-In
http://www.mcgirt.net/yak/
David "Talon" McGirt
Atlanta, GA
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Well he can drop off the plane, but HE has to go back home :)
Ernie
On 10/18/05, cjpilot710@aol.com <cjpilot710@aol.com> wrote:
>
> In a message dated 10/18/2005 9:02:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> erniel29@gmail.com writes:
> Yea, I forgot about him being a magnet. Ah - - maybe Craig you should
> just stay where you are. :)
> Pappy
>
> It just may hit us up here Jim! But then again, Craig seems to be a magnet
> :)
>
> Ernie
>
> On 10/18/05, cjpilot710@aol.com <cjpilot710@aol.com> wrote:
> >
> > FSRs (Florida Swamp Rats). Batten down the hatches! Here comes Wilma.
> > Craig, you want to fly your airplane up here?
> > Pappy.
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Selma Fly-In Pictures and Video |
Great pictures, thanks. Who owns the red Y52 with the black and white
checker? Very cool. ...Blitz
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| Subject: | Re: Selma & FAST Patches |
In a message dated 10/18/2005 11:15:51 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
ByronMFox@aol.com writes:
Jeff, you wrote, "We nearly burned 2500 gallons of AVGAS at $3.19/gallon." I
don't get it. After two crippling hurricanes that have reduced daily fuel
production by a million barrels/day, you guys in Selma bought 100LL for $3.19,
while I paid $4.65 on Sunday in Novato, CA. Somebody explain this to
me....please!
Thanks, Blitz
It's what you get for living in the PEOPLES REPUBLIC of CALIF
Tom Elliott
CJ-6 NX63727
Sandy Valley NV
3L2
702-723-1223
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