Today's Message Index:
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1. 03:16 AM - MTV Props (Richard Goode)
2. 05:56 AM - Re: Oh,dear. (Roger Kemp)
3. 06:21 AM - Re: Oh,dear. (Ernest Martinez)
4. 07:25 AM - Selma shots (cjpilot710@AOL.COM)
5. 07:41 AM - Engines and props and Overhauls, oh boy! (Jill Gernetzke)
6. 08:15 AM - Re: Fw: Selma Photo and Video Links (Kevin Pilling)
7. 08:18 AM - fuel prices (jandefinley@comcast.net)
8. 08:31 AM - Re: Oh,dear. (Cory Emberson)
9. 08:36 AM - Re: Oh,dear. (Harold H. Morley)
10. 08:43 AM - Re: SNIMTA_SPAM Yak-List Digest (Barry Hancock)
11. 08:45 AM - Re: Fw: Selma Photo and Video Links (Roger Kemp)
12. 09:01 AM - Re: Formation Takeoffs (Barry Hancock)
13. 09:15 AM - Re: Selma Photo and Video Links (Kevin Pilling)
14. 09:31 AM - CJ6A vs. Bonanza comparison (Brian Lloyd)
15. 10:04 AM - Re: CJ6A vs. Bonanza comparison (Ernest Martinez)
16. 10:31 AM - Re: CJ6A vs. Bonanza comparison (Roger Kemp)
17. 10:33 AM - International Red Air? (Roger Kemp)
18. 11:19 AM - Selma shot (cjpilot710@aol.com)
19. 11:29 AM - Re: Selma Photo and Video Links (Fraser, Gus)
20. 12:59 PM - Re: CJ6A vs. Bonanza comparison (Craig Payne)
21. 02:52 PM - Re: Engines and props and Overhauls, oh boy! (Craig Payne)
22. 03:48 PM - Re: Re: Engines and props and Overhauls, oh boy! (Ernest Martinez)
23. 04:18 PM - Re: Re: Engines and props and Overhauls, oh boy! (Doug Sapp)
24. 04:52 PM - Re: Re: Formation Takeoffs (Bitterlich GS11 Mark G)
25. 06:12 PM - Re: Re: Engines and props and Overhauls, oh boy! (Roger Kemp)
26. 07:41 PM - Re: Re: Formation Takeoffs (Roger Kemp)
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It is completely unscientific to compare the relative performance of three different
aeroplanes chasing each other around the sky!
We have done proper back-to-back tests on an Su-26 with 400-hp, and MTV-9-260-27
and MTV-9-260-29.
The tests were done on the same day; the same pilot; the same fuel load AND a slight
correction for the temperature/pressure change while changing the prop over.=20
The improvement for various parameters was between 6 percent and 14 percent - if
you would like specific figures, please let me know and we can e-mail the table
directly - as this list does not accept tables!
Richard Goode
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And you did not get enough of that Sat. night at SEM. Water...lots of water...tomatoe
juice... and 50% gatoraid...your gonna need those electrolytes before that
hang over goes away!
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From:
Subject: Yak-List: Oh,dear.
Its 1:15am (0115 for you mil- types) and I am drunk. Do not,, gentle soles, try
to out drink an k true blue acro pilot. MY new neighbor (who brought mh fellow
airline budy and good friends home) is an Extra 300+ sales guy. He does
acro all day demo airplanes for customers. (Jay, you whom I speakth). After
reliving our life stories, I discovered, he is the son of "The Great Santeenie".
Anyway I know now that your physical body CANNNOT brake a Extra 300 (or
what ever he sells), so that feeble attempts to play fighter pilots in Yaks or
CJ is damn right dangerous or dumb.
He also cooks a veryt good steak (midim rear for me ) and we drank 3 bottles of
vine to make sure it went down smooth. We did soap up the vine with sour dough
bread too. We did this of coruse discussin plans and waiting for Wilma. We
have our planes of course and will attempts to do them - - - - tomoprrow.
Pappu
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
Wellup I thihink yougoo sleepitit offus kkkkkkkk.
Ernie
On 10/20/05, Roger Kemp <viperdoc@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>
> And you did not get enough of that Sat. night at SEM. Water...lots of
> water...tomatoe juice... and 50% gatoraid...your gonna need those
> electrolytes before that hang over goes away!
> Doc
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Sent: 10/20/2005 12:38:17 AM
> Subject: Yak-List: Oh,dear.
>
>
> Its 1:15am (0115 for you mil- types) and I am drunk. Do not,, gentle
> soles, try to out drink an k true blue acro pilot. MY new neighbor (who
> brought mh fellow airline budy and good friends home) is an Extra 300+
> sales guy. He does acro all day demo airplanes for customers. (Jay, you
> whom I speakth). After reliving our life stories, I discovered, he is the
> son of "The Great Santeenie". Anyway I know now that your physical body
> CANNNOT brake a Extra 300 (or what ever he sells), so that feeble attempts
> to play fighter pilots in Yaks or CJ is damn right dangerous or dumb.
>
> He also cooks a veryt good steak (midim rear for me ) and we drank 3 bottles
> of vine to make sure it went down smooth. We did soap up the vine with sour
> dough bread too. We did this of coruse discussin plans and waiting for
> Wilma. We have our planes of course and will attempts to do them - - - -
> tomoprrow.
>
> Pappu
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| Subject: | Engines and props and Overhauls, oh boy! |
> From: Jill Gernetzke <jill@m-14p.com>
> Date: October 19, 2005 9:23:56 AM MST
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Engines and props and Overhauls, oh boy!
>
> Group,
>
> I've been following the threads on MT-props and M-14P overhauls and
> thought I would weigh in:
>
> MT-props:
> -Performance of the prop is unquestionable. I think anyone performing
> at the unlimited level would want an MT prop. I urge my Yak 52
> customers to keep their V-530.
> -Maintenance and care of the MT prop is an expensive proposition when
> you need it. I am not aware of any V-530 hub failures. They are dirt
> simple to maintain and bulletproof. - No A.D. s or Service Bulletins.
> -The MT Factory reps in Sanford, Florida have been accommodating and
> helpful. The factory in Germany has been very difficult too deal
> with. I tried to purchase new springs for the prop governor months
> ago - as it seems no one has them in the U.S. - and I got no reply, no
> follow up.
>
> M-14P Overhauls:
> -There was a period of about 2 years when Shakhty was having a
> difficult time, and in our opinion, quality suffered. This is not the
> case today. I toured the factory in June of 2004. What I saw was
> 1940's, 50's technology in terms of tooling, but a very adequate job
> in terms of overhaul. I also saw the booklets whereby they do record
> the parameters checks. These are not provided to the customer, but I
> have raised the possibility that the factory might provide this data -
> in Russian- to customers for an extra fee to cover materials and
> copying costs. Shakhty has been overhauling the M-14P for over 30
> years. Aesthetics have not been a priority, but you do get a
> mechanically sound overhaul.
> - I have recently had an issue with OKBM on an overhaul. They
> provided their documentation to me. This has not been sorted out.
> - Mark states the use of piston rings from Federal Mogul. As I
> understand it, Mark has been extremely adamant about compliance to
> Russian Service Bulletins, rules, regulations, etc, etc and pushed for
> adoption by the CAA. It should follow that these rings are also
> CAA-approved for installation in the M-14P engine. Is this the case?
> I doubt that OKBM has approved their use, but I would like to know
> for sure.
>
> Jill
>
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| Subject: | Re: Selma Photo and Video Links |
Tongue-in-cheek sarcasm obviously too subtle for some....BTW we spell it different.
----- Original Message -----
From: Roger Kemp
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 6:44 PM
Subject: RE: Fw: Yak-List: Selma Photo and Video Links
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Craig, Dave, etc. I enjoyed your iteration about the "very Marin" gas prices.
I, unfortunately, add to your discomfort. Here at Ruidoso, NM (SRR) the price
is $5.18 per gallon (US) NO latte, NO windscreen cleaning, NO S*#
t. I'm sure we'll be lonely for awhile. Fortunately, Carrizozo is only five minutes
away at $3.75. Considering all, I'm very happy to be here and not in Naples,
FL....John
Craig, Dave, etc. I enjoyed your iteration about the "very Marin" gas prices. I,
unfortunately, add to your discomfort. Here at Ruidoso, NM (SRR) the price is
$5.18 per gallon (US) NO latte, NO windscreen cleaning, NO S*#
t. I'm sure we'll be lonely for awhile. Fortunately, Carrizozo is only five minutes
away at $3.75. Considering all, I'm very happy to be here and not in Naples,
FL....John
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Well, it could be worse!
E=mc
3
Don't drink and derive!
Do Not Archive, fergoshsake
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ernest Martinez
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Oh,dear.
--> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
Wellup I thihink yougoo sleepitit offus kkkkkkkk.
Ernie
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Hey Pappu =96 sounds like a hell of a night!
Anyone who likes his meat =93midim rear=94 is great with me!
I=92ll look forward to a translation of the discussion on how not to break
airplanes.
Be careful with Wilma.
Batman
PS: How=92s your head today?
--
10/19/2005
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| Subject: | Re: SNIMTA_SPAM Yak-List Digest |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <barry@flyredstar.org>
On Oct 19, 2005, at 11:58 PM, Yak-List Digest Server wrote:
> Just because they are addressing mogas in spam cans doesn't mean that
> the
> information is not just as applicable to us. After all, there just
> isn't a lot
>
> of difference between a CJ6A and a Beechcraft Bonanza when you get
> right down
> to it.
FWIW, I wasn't suggesting running Mogas with ethanol in your airplane,
that was pure hyperbole. And Brian, as for your comment about the CJ6A
and Bonanza the similarities end at being single engine piston
aircraft, as far as I'm concerned, but I'm biased. Heck, there are a
couple guys on this list much better qualified than you and I, Pumper
and Batman have tons of time in both...
Cheers,
Barry
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| Subject: | Re: Selma Photo and Video Links |
EYEEE, Quick Wit from my Brit Friend!
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: Kevin Pilling
Subject: Re: Fw: Yak-List: Selma Photo and Video Links
Tongue-in-cheek sarcasm obviously too subtle for some....BTW we spell it different.
----- Original Message -----
From: Roger Kemp
Subject: RE: Fw: Yak-List: Selma Photo and Video Links
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| Subject: | Re: Formation Takeoffs |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <barry@flyredstar.org>
> Try for Waycross. You will be at an advantage with that 50! No IP in
> your trunk.
Well, just to be clear for the single seat guys thinking about doing
the formation thing, that's once you're cleared solo,. I know it's a
hassle, but protocol is that you get cleared solo in a two holer before
mounting your mighty single ship steed. Time to buddy up to your
closest Yak-52 or CJ driver.... ;)
Also, on formation takeoffs, etc. If you're interested in the
procedure we "should" be using, go to the "Operations" section of
www.flyredstar.org and download the FAST manual. This manual is being
adopted as the FAST standard...well, because it's the best formation
manual out there. Hey Leads and Wings, when's the last time you read
it? I know I haven't read it this year....
As for Mark B. going to Waycross (everybody duck.....) make sure to
bring your flight suit! ;-O
Cheers,
Barry
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| Subject: | Re: Selma Photo and Video Links |
Truth is Gus, you from experience will rightly know, we're all green with envy
looking at #1 The Facility #2 The weather #3 The Space #4 The Participant numbers
#5 The CHEAP fuel.......just 2 weeks ago we managed only two wx interrupted
days and a formation sortie in the circuit in 5 full days of Formation School.........nil
wind and matching temperature and dew points all week ! We did though
have 4 Extras , 14 Yak 52's and one CJ6 plus visiting Yak 11's but the wx
kept the big iron on the ground.
It appears some of our US compatriots can't spot a compliment when it jumps''''''.....oh
never mind.........two nations divided by a common language sounds
less contentious.
Relish your suggestion of a mass formation 'love-in'......I know a good few over
here besides me who would be up for that. And for what its worth I'd rather
it didn't try to set 'us' against 'them' but was a forum to share good safe practise
and SOP's....whilst at the same time turning prodigious quantities of cheap***
avgas into noise and a load o' fun . ...BTW ***current UK version of 'cheap'
is $1:94 per litre !
FWIW...the awards photos show pilots who all look very similar to ourselves..except
that is, where's all the gals ? We had 3 this last time around.....3 very
good pilots......as you might expect.
Fly safe
kp
----- Original Message -----
From: Fraser, Gus
To: 'yak-list@matronics.com'
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 10:15 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Selma Photo and Video Links
Cold man, very cold.
Could this be where we have the first international formation contest ? I am
sure that planes could be made available to visiting pilots for a judged formation.
USA vs Europe vs Antipods vs Africa
Now that would be worth being a fly on the wall for.
We have the Oscars, Emies (sp?) etc well how about the Papiski's to be judged
by bare breasted women and argued about for months, at great length with anyone
that will listen.
Now that is something I would buy a ticket to watch, as long as it came with
a happy ending :)))))
Gus
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| Subject: | CJ6A vs. Bonanza comparison |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Barry Hancock wrote:
> FWIW, I wasn't suggesting running Mogas with ethanol in your airplane,
> that was pure hyperbole.
Well, I was mostly pointing out a useful source of factual information in the
form of the Petersen web site. Sometimes opinion reigns on this list with
facts being somewhat less in evidence and I thought a pointer to some factual
information would be useful.
> And Brian, as for your comment about the CJ6A
> and Bonanza the similarities end at being single engine piston aircraft,
> as far as I'm concerned, but I'm biased. Heck, there are a couple guys
> on this list much better qualified than you and I, Pumper and Batman
> have tons of time in both...
We tend to focus on subtleties. In the grand scheme of aviation, there is much
more similarity than difference between the CJ6A and the Bonanza. Sure we like
to think that the CJ6A is wonderfully different but, truth be told, it isn't
that different than any FAA-designated, "single-engine, complex,
high-performance," aircraft. I just picked the Bonanza as it is a popular name
but you can lump the CJ6A and Yak-52 together with the Comanche, C-210,
Mooney, Bonanza, Navion, etc. With the exception of the pneumatic system there
are far more similarities than differences.
Sure, the devil is in the details but if you put someone who is competent in a
couple of different "complex" aircraft into a CJ6A or Yak-52, odds are he/she
will fly the CJ6A or Yak-52 tolerably well without breaking anything.
YMMV
--
Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
brian-yak@lloyd.com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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| Subject: | Re: CJ6A vs. Bonanza comparison |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
Speaking as an owner of both aircraft in question. I would much rather
fly the CJ than the Banana. The CJ is easier to fly, easier to
maintain, is more rugged, and more reliable. The Banana is smoother
and faster, has better luggage and passenger space and has better
range. With completely different engine technologies, braking systems
and landing systems and totally differetn flying charateristics I cant
find much similarity between the 2 other than that they're both fixed
wing single engine, complex monoplanes. Humans and Cows are similar
too as we're both mamals.
Ernie
On 10/20/05, Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com> wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
>
> Barry Hancock wrote:
>
> > FWIW, I wasn't suggesting running Mogas with ethanol in your airplane,
> > that was pure hyperbole.
>
> Well, I was mostly pointing out a useful source of factual information in the
> form of the Petersen web site. Sometimes opinion reigns on this list with
> facts being somewhat less in evidence and I thought a pointer to some factual
> information would be useful.
>
> > And Brian, as for your comment about the CJ6A
> > and Bonanza the similarities end at being single engine piston aircraft,
> > as far as I'm concerned, but I'm biased. Heck, there are a couple guys
> > on this list much better qualified than you and I, Pumper and Batman
> > have tons of time in both...
>
> We tend to focus on subtleties. In the grand scheme of aviation, there is much
> more similarity than difference between the CJ6A and the Bonanza. Sure we like
> to think that the CJ6A is wonderfully different but, truth be told, it isn't
> that different than any FAA-designated, "single-engine, complex,
> high-performance," aircraft. I just picked the Bonanza as it is a popular name
> but you can lump the CJ6A and Yak-52 together with the Comanche, C-210,
> Mooney, Bonanza, Navion, etc. With the exception of the pneumatic system there
> are far more similarities than differences.
>
> Sure, the devil is in the details but if you put someone who is competent in
a
> couple of different "complex" aircraft into a CJ6A or Yak-52, odds are he/she
> will fly the CJ6A or Yak-52 tolerably well without breaking anything.
>
> YMMV
>
> --
> Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
> brian-yak@lloyd.com Folsom, CA 95630
> +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
>
> I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
> - Antoine de Saint-Exupery
>
>
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| Subject: | CJ6A vs. Bonanza comparison |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Ok then, so forget about the commonality of the complex airplanes other
than they both have two wings, an engine, a tail and feet that fold up.
That said, now point me toward the Ethanol!! Pappy, you've had enough for
say 12 hours!
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 10/20/2005 11:25:13 AM
> Subject: Yak-List: CJ6A vs. Bonanza comparison
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
>
> Barry Hancock wrote:
>
> > FWIW, I wasn't suggesting running Mogas with ethanol in your airplane,
> > that was pure hyperbole.
>
> Well, I was mostly pointing out a useful source of factual information in
the
> form of the Petersen web site. Sometimes opinion reigns on this list with
> facts being somewhat less in evidence and I thought a pointer to some
factual
> information would be useful.
>
> > And Brian, as for your comment about the CJ6A
> > and Bonanza the similarities end at being single engine piston
aircraft,
> > as far as I'm concerned, but I'm biased. Heck, there are a couple guys
> > on this list much better qualified than you and I, Pumper and Batman
> > have tons of time in both...
>
> We tend to focus on subtleties. In the grand scheme of aviation, there is
much
> more similarity than difference between the CJ6A and the Bonanza. Sure we
like
> to think that the CJ6A is wonderfully different but, truth be told, it
isn't
> that different than any FAA-designated, "single-engine, complex,
> high-performance," aircraft. I just picked the Bonanza as it is a popular
name
> but you can lump the CJ6A and Yak-52 together with the Comanche, C-210,
> Mooney, Bonanza, Navion, etc. With the exception of the pneumatic system
there
> are far more similarities than differences.
>
> Sure, the devil is in the details but if you put someone who is competent
in a
> couple of different "complex" aircraft into a CJ6A or Yak-52, odds are
he/she
> will fly the CJ6A or Yak-52 tolerably well without breaking anything.
>
> YMMV
>
> --
> Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
> brian-yak@lloyd.com Folsom, CA 95630
> +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
>
> I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
> - Antoine de Saint-Exupery
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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"Jeff Linebaugh" <jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net>,
"Shane Golden" <scgsmg@direcway.com>
| Subject: | International Red Air? |
Kevin,
Was that 3 guys or was it 3 girls or both acting as ....
Seriously would love to see and even try to help make yours and Gus's suggestion
come to pass. The forum atmosphere would certainly promote congeniality but
having participated in a few Red Flags, competition always sets its foot forward.
And yes at this time our fuel is much cheaper than yours. We are fighting
like hell to keep it that way also! Our weather is generally nicer than yours
too all be for a huricane or 3!
Scottie, Ol Boy, are ya up for an international Red Air?! In the next year, like
2006...fallish time frame?!
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: Kevin Pilling
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Selma Photo and Video Links
Truth is Gus, you from experience will rightly know, we're all green with envy
looking at #1 The Facility #2 The weather #3 The Space #4 The Participant numbers
#5 The CHEAP fuel.......just 2 weeks ago we managed only two wx interrupted
days and a formation sortie in the circuit in 5 full days of Formation School.........nil
wind and matching temperature and dew points all week ! We did though
have 4 Extras , 14 Yak 52's and one CJ6 plus visiting Yak 11's but the wx
kept the big iron on the ground.
It appears some of our US compatriots can't spot a compliment when it jumps''''''.....oh
never mind.........two nations divided by a common language sounds
less contentious.
Relish your suggestion of a mass formation 'love-in'......I know a good few over
here besides me who would be up for that. And for what its worth I'd rather
it didn't try to set 'us' against 'them' but was a forum to share good safe practise
and SOP's....whilst at the same time turning prodigious quantities of cheap***
avgas into noise and a load o' fun . ...BTW ***current UK version of 'cheap'
is $1:94 per litre !
FWIW...the awards photos show pilots who all look very similar to ourselves..except
that is, where's all the gals ? We had 3 this last time around.....3 very
good pilots......as you might expect.
Fly safe
kp
----- Original Message -----
From: Fraser, Gus
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Selma Photo and Video Links
Cold man, very cold.
Could this be where we have the first international formation contest ? I am sure
that planes could be made available to visiting pilots for a judged formation.
USA vs Europe vs Antipods vs Africa
Now that would be worth being a fly on the wall for.
We have the Oscars, Emies (sp?) etc well how about the Papiski's to be judged by
bare breasted women and argued about for months, at great length with anyone
that will listen.
Now that is something I would buy a ticket to watch, as long as it came with a
happy ending :)))))
Gus
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This was the only "mechanical" during the whole Selma clinic. A plugged snot valve
on Steve Dalton's TW. You can see he's getting more help and supervision
than he needs. ;-)
Pappy
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| Subject: | Selma Photo and Video Links |
Great but let's just make sure we don't loose the bare breasted women, ok.
Gus
_____
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Pilling
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Selma Photo and Video Links
Truth is Gus, you from experience will rightly know, we're all green with
envy looking at #1 The Facility #2 The weather #3 The Space #4 The
Participant numbers #5 The CHEAP fuel.......just 2 weeks ago we managed only
two wx interrupted days and a formation sortie in the circuit in 5 full days
of Formation School.........nil wind and matching temperature and dew points
all week ! We did though have 4 Extras , 14 Yak 52's and one CJ6 plus
visiting Yak 11's but the wx kept the big iron on the ground.
It appears some of our US compatriots can't spot a compliment when it
jumps''''''.....oh never mind.........two nations divided by a common
language sounds less contentious.
Relish your suggestion of a mass formation 'love-in'......I know a good few
over here besides me who would be up for that. And for what its worth I'd
rather it didn't try to set 'us' against 'them' but was a forum to share
good safe practise and SOP's....whilst at the same time turning prodigious
quantities of cheap*** avgas into noise and a load o' fun . ...BTW
***current UK version of 'cheap' is $1:94 per litre !
FWIW...the awards photos show pilots who all look very similar to
ourselves..except that is, where's all the gals ? We had 3 this last time
around.....3 very good pilots......as you might expect.
Fly safe
kp
----- Original Message -----
From: Fraser, Gus <mailto:gus.fraser@gs.com>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Selma Photo and Video Links
Cold man, very cold.
Could this be where we have the first international formation contest ? I am
sure that planes could be made available to visiting pilots for a judged
formation.
USA vs Europe vs Antipods vs Africa
Now that would be worth being a fly on the wall for.
We have the Oscars, Emies (sp?) etc well how about the Papiski's to be
judged by bare breasted women and argued about for months, at great length
with anyone that will listen.
Now that is something I would buy a ticket to watch, as long as it came with
a happy ending :)))))
Gus
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<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Great but let's just make sure we don't loose the bare
breasted women, ok.
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Gus
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kevin
Pilling
yak-list@matronics. com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Selma Photo and Video
Links
Truth is Gus, you from
experience will rightly know,we're all green with envy looking at #1 The
Facility #2 The weather #3 The Space #4 The Participant numbers #5 The CHEAP
fuel.......just 2 weeks ago we managed only two wx interrupted days anda
formation sortie in the circuit in 5 full days of Formation School.........nil
wind and matching temperature and dew points all week ! We did though have 4
Extras , 14 Yak 52's and one CJ6 plus visiting Yak 11's but the wx kept the
big iron on the ground.
It appears some of our
UScompatriots can't spot a compliment when it jumps''''''.....oh
never mind.........two nations divided by a common language sounds less
contentious.
Relish your suggestion of a
mass formation 'love-in'......I know a good few over herebesides me who
would be up for that. And for what its worth I'd rather it didn't try to
set'us' against 'them' but was a forum to share good safe practise and
SOP's....whilst at the same timeturning prodigious quantities of
cheap*** avgas into noise and a load o' fun ....BTW ***current UK
version of 'cheap' is $1:94 per litre !
FWIW...the awards photos
show pilots who all look very similar to ourselves..except that is, where's
all the gals ? We had 3 this last time around.....3 very good pilots......as
you might expect.
Fly safe
kp
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<A title=gus.fraser@gs.com ">Fraser, Gus
To: <A title=yak-list@matronics.com
'">'yak-list@matronics.com'
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 10:15
PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Selma Photo and
Video Links
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Cold man, very cold.
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Could this be where we have the first international
formation contest ? I am sure that planes could be made available to
visiting pilots for a judged formation.
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>USA vs Europe vs Antipods vs Africa
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Now that would be worth being a fly on the wall
for.
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>We have the Oscars, Emies (sp?) etc well how about the
Papiski's to be judged by bare breasted women and argued
about for months, at great length with anyone that will
listen.
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Now that is something I would buy a ticketto
watch, as long as it came with a happy
ending:)))))
<FONT face=Arial
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<FONT face=Arial
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| Subject: | Re: CJ6A vs. Bonanza comparison |
The Banana comparison is closest to the truth; especially the 2-seat version aka
T-34. Both have the same overall span and length, the same airfoil section,
and comparable power at in the 285HP civilian flavor.
The CJ rolls quicker, with lighter controls. Performance parameters are also comparable
between well-maintained examples of each. Add the M-14P and it's no
contest. Of course we know which one we prefer.
BTW: In the low-level Sun 60 race, I edged out an A-35 straight tail and whupped
the LoPresti Mooney with my CJ6, but I'd like to see some big engine T-34's
compete.
Craig Payne
cpayne@joimail.com
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| Subject: | Re: Engines and props and Overhauls, oh boy! |
Yes, Jill, I believe that overhauls and props will take on much more importance
as our fleet builds hours and OEM prices escalate with world inflation. Your
new AZ operation could be just the thing for folks caught in a time-sensitive
crunch. My VMP OH took 2 years from crate-up to delivery in my hanger. Thanks
to the Yak-list I was able to locate another M-14P, get it delivered, install
it , and be back in the air 3 weeks from posting!
As for the V530, it is literally bulletproof. I'm *almost* ready to try a few FMJ
.357 rounds to my spare hub as a test. Just haven't drank enough beer yet!
My homebrew 'glass & kevlar redo of the blades is holding up well. After 99hrs
of ops, there are 2 grams difference between the blades...which I will correct.
A little kevlar on the back of the blades really stops all those nasty's from
gravel. Why pay big bucks when the stock stuff works great? ( except for airframe
drag of course).
I love this list!
Craig Payne
cpayne@joimail.com
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| Subject: | Re: Engines and props and Overhauls, oh boy! |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
Now if only someone would offer HS6A overhauls.
Ernie
On 10/20/05, Craig Payne <cpayne@joimail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Yes, Jill, I believe that overhauls and props will take on much more
> importance as our fleet builds hours and OEM prices escalate with world
> inflation. Your new AZ operation could be just the thing for folks caught in
> a time-sensitive crunch. My VMP OH took 2 years from crate-up to delivery in
> my hanger. Thanks to the Yak-list I was able to locate another M-14P, get
> it delivered, install it , and be back in the air 3 weeks from posting!
>
> As for the V530, it is literally bulletproof. I'm *almost* ready to try a
> few FMJ .357 rounds to my spare hub as a test. Just haven't drank enough
> beer yet! My homebrew 'glass & kevlar redo of the blades is holding up well.
> After 99hrs of ops, there are 2 grams difference between the blades...which
> I will correct. A little kevlar on the back of the blades really stops all
> those nasty's from gravel. Why pay big bucks when the stock stuff works
> great? ( except for airframe drag of course).
>
> I love this list!
>
> Craig Payne
> cpayne@joimail.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Engines and props and Overhauls, oh boy! |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Stand by Ernie, I think I just may have that end covered, more in about a
week.
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ernest Martinez
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Engines and props and Overhauls, oh boy!
--> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
Now if only someone would offer HS6A overhauls.
Ernie
On 10/20/05, Craig Payne <cpayne@joimail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Yes, Jill, I believe that overhauls and props will take on much more
> importance as our fleet builds hours and OEM prices escalate with world
> inflation. Your new AZ operation could be just the thing for folks caught
in
> a time-sensitive crunch. My VMP OH took 2 years from crate-up to delivery
in
> my hanger. Thanks to the Yak-list I was able to locate another M-14P, get
> it delivered, install it , and be back in the air 3 weeks from posting!
>
> As for the V530, it is literally bulletproof. I'm *almost* ready to try a
> few FMJ .357 rounds to my spare hub as a test. Just haven't drank enough
> beer yet! My homebrew 'glass & kevlar redo of the blades is holding up
well.
> After 99hrs of ops, there are 2 grams difference between the
blades...which
> I will correct. A little kevlar on the back of the blades really stops all
> those nasty's from gravel. Why pay big bucks when the stock stuff works
> great? ( except for airframe drag of course).
>
> I love this list!
>
> Craig Payne
> cpayne@joimail.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Formation Takeoffs |
Dear Barry.......
I actually was thinking about trying to make Waycross, it's a natural. To
be perfectly candid, ... in fact BLUNT might be a better word.... my YAK-50
is probably the only one in the U.S. with original paint. What is LEFT of
the original paint. It was marginal when I bought it 6 years ago. It is in
the "way ugly" category now. I've been fortunate enough to see really
GORGEOUS Yak-50's (and 52's) that Tim Gagnon took while out west and I
simply have to hang my head in embarrassment. That said, I am not taking my
50 any place soon to "show off". I did that just once... to the Worlds in
Lakeland a few years ago, and I got a lot of flak for how it looked. So...
oh well.
Now.... another aimed round coming your way Barry (sorry dude!). The only
two holer I can fit in and fly is a T-34, (800 plus hours, many in form) or
an AT-6 // SNJ-5, T-28, etc. 52's and CJ's... out of the question. I
simply can not fit. So, even though I in fact DO have a buddy on the field
with a 52, that is out. My buddy who "had" a T-34 has given up after
spending around $70,000 trying to make the FAA happy and is buying a 52. I
do not have enough time in the other aircraft to qualify for insurance nor
the $$$ to keep them full of fuel.
Hey, you brought all this up.... I tried to AVOID it! :-)
It would indeed be fun to make it to Waycross, and Barry... you would have
to duck.... because my 50 sans parachute or flight boots, or nifty-50-flight
suit, would make it a point to demonstrate minimum prop tip to ground
clearance in your immediate vicinity!
Sigh.... just daydreaming!
In reality, I suppose I will just have to continue flying form with my
retired Marine buddies, Sergei Boriak, and Hubie Tolson once in awhile,
untrained as I admit we all are.
All kidding aside I agree, your FAST manual is indeed very well done, and
well worth reading. Luckily one can learn from it wearing a flight suit or
not. But if Barry actually DOES happen to be around, the requirements to
wear flight BOOTS makes absolute sense... one DOES want to wear something on
one's feet when standing in a rising tide of stuff that comes from the ass
end of a bull.
Best Regards my friend,
Mark B
p.s. And yes, that splash in the water was indeed a shot across your bow!
Take care.
-----Original Message-----
From: Barry Hancock [mailto:barry@flyredstar.org]
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Formation Takeoffs
--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <barry@flyredstar.org>
> Try for Waycross. You will be at an advantage with that 50! No IP in
> your trunk.
Well, just to be clear for the single seat guys thinking about doing
the formation thing, that's once you're cleared solo,. I know it's a
hassle, but protocol is that you get cleared solo in a two holer before
mounting your mighty single ship steed. Time to buddy up to your
closest Yak-52 or CJ driver.... ;)
Also, on formation takeoffs, etc. If you're interested in the
procedure we "should" be using, go to the "Operations" section of
www.flyredstar.org and download the FAST manual. This manual is being
adopted as the FAST standard...well, because it's the best formation
manual out there. Hey Leads and Wings, when's the last time you read
it? I know I haven't read it this year....
As for Mark B. going to Waycross (everybody duck.....) make sure to
bring your flight suit! ;-O
Cheers,
Barry
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| Subject: | Re: Engines and props and Overhauls, oh boy! |
Growler,
Kevalar? Tell me more. My V450 blades are getting dinged up pretty good now from
all those pesky pebbles that are blown all over my ramp from twins using it
as a turn-around! What are you doing for balancing. I paid more attention to your
fairings around your exhaust at SEM. I did not even look at your props!
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: Craig Payne
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Engines and props and Overhauls, oh boy!
Yes, Jill, I believe that overhauls and props will take on much more importance
as our fleet builds hours and OEM prices escalate with world inflation. Your
new AZ operation could be just the thing for folks caught in a time-sensitive
crunch. My VMP OH took 2 years from crate-up to delivery in my hanger. Thanks
to the Yak-list I was able to locate another M-14P, get it delivered, install
it , and be back in the air 3 weeks from posting!
As for the V530, it is literally bulletproof. I'm *almost* ready to try a few FMJ
.357 rounds to my spare hub as a test. Just haven't drank enough beer yet!
My homebrew 'glass & kevlar redo of the blades is holding up well. After 99hrs
of ops, there are 2 grams difference between the blades...which I will correct.
A little kevlar on the back of the blades really stops all those nasty's from
gravel. Why pay big bucks when the stock stuff works great? ( except for airframe
drag of course).
I love this list!
Craig Payne
cpayne@joimail.com
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| Subject: | Re: Formation Takeoffs |
Well...alrightyyyy...theeeennnn! That being said don't sugar coat it! On the topic
of untrained...would have to say 800 hrs in a Navy training program flying
form does not read as unqualified in my book. Now somewhere in here or the
remote past, I missed the intial furball. Probably best from the shots being fired
across bows here.
On the subject of FAST...if you are not planning on flying in waivered airspace,
what's the big deal? Is it striving for another level of expertise. Then the
answer is yes. Now saying that, I have flown with some good sticks since being
in the YAK community for the short life that I have had in theis community.
I have also had some people in this community scar me and Dude that is hard to
do. Over all anyone can have a bad day. My experience is that because the military
trained are trained to a different standard, they are at an advantage in
this environment. The civilian drivers can equal that but are starting way behind
the power curve. It will take them longer to start to see the sight pictures
for rejoins..ect. They can get there though. It all takes practice and more
practice. The military types start with a robust clue bag that is all.
Now giving each other a buz job with the V450's...just remember...the PK of terra
firma is always 1! You can only tie it!
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: Bitterlich GS11 Mark G
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Formation Takeoffs
Dear Barry.......
I actually was thinking about trying to make Waycross, it's a natural. To be perfectly
candid, ... in fact BLUNT might be a better word.... my YAK-50 is probably
the only one in the U.S. with original paint. What is LEFT of the original
paint. It was marginal when I bought it 6 years ago. It is in the "way ugly"
category now. I've been fortunate enough to see really GORGEOUS Yak-50's
(and 52's) that Tim Gagnon took while out west and I simply have to hang my head
in embarrassment. That said, I am not taking my 50 any place soon to "show
off". I did that just once... to the Worlds in Lakeland a few years ago, and
I got a lot of flak for how it looked. So... oh well.
Now.... another aimed round coming your way Barry (sorry dude!). The only two
holer I can fit in and fly is a T-34, (800 plus hours, many in form) or an AT-6
// SNJ-5, T-28, etc. 52's and CJ's... out of the question. I simply can not
fit. So, even though I in fact DO have a buddy on the field with a 52, that
is out. My buddy who "had" a T-34 has given up after spending around $70,000
trying to make the FAA happy and is buying a 52. I do not have enough time
in the other aircraft to qualify for insurance nor the $$$ to keep them full of
fuel.
Hey, you brought all this up.... I tried to AVOID it! :-)
It would indeed be fun to make it to Waycross, and Barry... you would have to duck....
because my 50 sans parachute or flight boots, or nifty-50-flight suit,
would make it a point to demonstrate minimum prop tip to ground clearance in
your immediate vicinity!
Sigh.... just daydreaming!
In reality, I suppose I will just have to continue flying form with my retired
Marine buddies, Sergei Boriak, and Hubie Tolson once in awhile, untrained as I
admit we all are.
All kidding aside I agree, your FAST manual is indeed very well done, and well
worth reading. Luckily one can learn from it wearing a flight suit or not. But
if Barry actually DOES happen to be around, the requirements to wear flight BOOTS
makes absolute sense... one DOES want to wear something on one's feet when
standing in a rising tide of stuff that comes from the ass end of a bull.
Best Regards my friend,
Mark B
p.s. And yes, that splash in the water was indeed a shot across your bow! Take
care.
-----Original Message-----
From: Barry Hancock [mailto:barry@flyredstar.org]
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Formation Takeoffs
--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <barry@flyredstar.org>
> Try for Waycross. You will be at an advantage with that 50! No IP in
> your trunk.
Well, just to be clear for the single seat guys thinking about doing
the formation thing, that's once you're cleared solo,. I know it's a
hassle, but protocol is that you get cleared solo in a two holer before
mounting your mighty single ship steed. Time to buddy up to your
closest Yak-52 or CJ driver.... ;)
Also, on formation takeoffs, etc. If you're interested in the
procedure we "should" be using, go to the "Operations" section of
www.flyredstar.org and download the FAST manual. This manual is being
adopted as the FAST standard...well, because it's the best formation
manual out there. Hey Leads and Wings, when's the last time you read
it? I know I haven't read it this year....
As for Mark B. going to Waycross (everybody duck.....) make sure to
bring your flight suit! ;-O
Cheers,
Barry
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