Today's Message Index:
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1. 12:55 AM - piston rings (Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd)
2. 02:33 AM - Re: Selma Photo and Video Links (Kevin Pilling)
3. 04:25 AM - Prop OH (Craig Payne)
4. 04:44 AM - Shameless Plug (Fraser, Gus)
5. 06:55 AM - Re: Selma Photo and Video Links (Roger Kemp)
6. 06:57 AM - Re: Prop OH (Roger Kemp)
7. 07:53 AM - Re: MTV Props (Steve Dalton)
8. 08:22 AM - Re: Re: MTV Props (Roger Kemp)
9. 09:27 AM - Re: Re: MTV Props (Brian Lloyd)
10. 10:10 AM - Re: Re: MTV Props (Roger Kemp)
11. 10:25 AM - Re: Re: MTV Props (Ernest Martinez)
12. 10:37 AM - Re: Re: MTV Props (Brian Lloyd)
13. 12:39 PM - cj cowling rubber mounts (Kelley Monroe)
14. 12:41 PM - Typhoon (Fraser, Gus)
15. 01:00 PM - Re: Typhoon (Fraser, Gus)
16. 03:09 PM - Re: cj cowling rubber mounts (Craig Payne)
17. 05:58 PM - Re: Re: cj cowling rubber mounts (KingCJ6@aol.com)
18. 06:24 PM - Carb Overhaul Question (Jim Martyn)
19. 06:51 PM - Re: Selma Photo and Video Links (David McGirt)
20. 08:02 PM - Re: Selma Photo and Video Links (cjpilot710@aol.com)
21. 08:19 PM - Re: Selma Photo and Video Links (Roger Kemp)
22. 08:32 PM - Re: Selma Photo and Video Links (David McGirt)
23. 09:03 PM - Re: Selma Photo and Video Links (Ernest Martinez)
24. 09:50 PM - Re: Selma Photo and Video Links (Roger Kemp)
25. 09:57 PM - Re: Selma Photo and Video Links (Roger Kemp)
26. 10:36 PM - Re: Selma Photo and Video Links (Ernest Martinez)
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My comment (rings) was to try and help those in USA and others who have difficulty
obtaining parts, we use OEM parts.
cheers, mj
- Mark states the use of piston rings from Federal Mogul. As I
> understand it, Mark has been extremely adamant about compliance to
> Russian Service Bulletins, rules, regulations, etc, etc and pushed for
> adoption by the CAA. It should follow that these rings are also
> CAA-approved for installation in the M-14P engine. Is this the case?
> I doubt that OKBM has approved their use, but I would like to know
> for sure.
Best regards, Mark
www.yakuk.com
+44 (0)1767 651156 office +44 (0)7785 538 317 mobile
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| Subject: | Re: Selma Photo and Video Links |
We could write it into the SOP's.......men to keep their shirts ON...women to keep
theirs OFF
----- Original Message -----
From: Fraser, Gus
To: 'yak-list@matronics.com'
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 7:26 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Selma Photo and Video Links
Great but let's just make sure we don't loose the bare breasted women, ok.
Gus
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>Doc wrote:
>
>Growler,
>Kevalar? Tell me more. My V450 blades are getting dinged up pretty good now from
>all those pesky pebbles that are blown all over my ramp from twins using it
>as a turn-around! What are you doing for balancing.
Balance per digital laboratory scale. Way too much effort though, especially for
a working guy on limited hours. Send it out to Whirlwind or get a gun on that
Yak to dust off those twins.
BTW, real handle is "CW". As a young buck fresh out of the corps, working full
time and going to college too, I wore my old utilities with my name stamped on:
"CW Payne" rather than buy new clothes. In those days the owners name had to
be on pickup trucks as well....so more "CW".
Craig Payne
cpayne@joimail.com
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Please read below. All these people are volunteers and follow the best
American tradition of self help. The costs of the efforts that they made for
Katrina have pretty much used up funds that they have. My aircraft is called
the Russian Bear and I take whatever chance I can to put forward the great
work that they do. If you were looking for a way to contribute to Katrina
that would be direct and meaningful please take a look at the work that they
do. I a hurricane comes to your town you will be really pleased to see these
guys coming to get you.
Also, If you are able to help them in the future with transport to a
disaster zone please don't be shy the biggest cost they have is travel. They
get not 1c from the government.
Only to do with planes in that my plane is named after bear out of respect.
Gus
_____
From: Gus Fraser [mailto:fraseg@comcast.net]
Subject: FW: Bear Lives!
-----Original Message-----
From: Capt Scott Shields [mailto:safetyshields@hotmail.com]
Subject: Re: Bear Lives!
Gus,
Thought you would like to know that the last few years were not in vain and
that we are still at it. Hope you are aware that the Bear Search & Rescue
Foundation www.bearsearchandrescue.org established by the law firm of
Proskauer Rose in the name of America's most decorated rescue dog played a
key role in the rescue operations in Louisiana.
Our actions ultimately responsible for 11,000 people being alive in
Louisiana today. We have incredible shots of the first animal rescues and
human rescues using small boats. You may also enjoy knowing that the
Foundations last major course in New York Harbor for twenty six agencies
June 4-6 was "Responding to the Five Hundred Year Flood".
The Foundation deployed 27 teams (that it had funded or trained the last
four years) they averaged 220 rescues per team and hundreds of animals. The
special boat teams we led for the 3rd Brigade 82nd Airborne (with 45 boats
supplied by the Foundation) rescued just under 6000 people with boats and
boat crews provided by Bear Search & Rescue Foundation.
In all 11,000 people and hundreds of animals are alive today because of
the Foundation. We also started the policy of rescuing anything that lived.
You'll love the attached story and the second attachment with its simple
country lawyer quality that got around the whole FEMA system that minimizes
rescue. I gave orders that anything that lived be rescued!
The Foundation with the USCG started a program just before Katrina to
support local SAR teams around the country; it is called the Bear Boat
Program (Boat Emergency Action Response). It will provide boats and
coxswains from the USCGA to support on a consistent basis local SAR, Fire,
Police and EMS services. The plans now are for rapid response teams with
minimum of twenty inflatable boats in trailers ready to go and cached
supplies for two weeks to the scene of disasters.
What we did in Louisiana made all we did at the WTC like a pebble on the
beach, but it set the stage for this greater good.
When I called Gov Blanco of Louisiana office to deploy teams I gave my name,
rank, the units, it all meant nothing to her, then out of desperation I said
"do you remember Bear from the World Trade Center" and she said "I read the
book, I know who you are........how many units and when can they be here?"
I knew that Bear would become a legend, I wanted to turn that legend into a
legacy to keep people (and now animals) alive. Bear lives!
Please open attachments.
Scott Shields
732 713 6298
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<SPAN
class=556213411-21102005>Please read below. All these people are volunteers and
follow the best American tradition of self help. The costs of the efforts that
they made for Katrina have pretty much used up funds that they have. My aircraft
is called the Russian Bear and I take whatever chance I can to put forward the
great work that they do. If youwere looking for a way to contribute to
Katrina that would be direct and meaningful please take a look at the work that
they do. I a hurricane comes to your town you will be really pleased to see
these guys coming to get you.
<SPAN
class=556213411-21102005>
<SPAN
class=556213411-21102005>Also, If you are able to help them in the future with
transport to a disaster zone please don't be shy the biggest cost they have is
travel. They get not 1c from the government.
<SPAN
class=556213411-21102005>
<SPAN
class=556213411-21102005>Only to do with planes in that my plane is named after
bear out of respect.
<SPAN
class=556213411-21102005>
<SPAN
class=556213411-21102005>Gus
From: Gus Fraser [mailto:fraseg@comcast.net]
Gus
Subject: FW: Bear Lives!
<FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----
From: Capt Scott Shields
[mailto:safetyshields@hotmail.com]
9:27 PM
Subject: Re: Bear
Lives!
<B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Gus,
<B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Thought you would
like to know that the last few years were not in vain and that we are still at
it. Hope you are aware thatthe <SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial;
mso-bidi-font-weight: bold">Bear
Search Rescue Foundation<B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: #000099; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">www.bearsearchandrescue.org<SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial;
mso-bidi-font-weight: bold"><B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">establishedby
the law firm ofProskauerRosein the name of America's most
decorated rescue dog played a key role in the rescue operations in
Louisiana.
<B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
<B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes">Our actions ultimately responsible for
11,000 people being alive in <st1:State><st1:place><B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Louisiana</st1:place></st1:State><B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> today. We have
incredible shots of the first animal rescues and human rescues using small
boats. You may also enjoy knowing that the Foundations last major course in
<st1:place><st1:PlaceName><B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">New
York</st1:PlaceName><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
<st1:PlaceType><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Harbor</st1:PlaceType></st1:place><B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> for twenty six
agencies June 4-6was <SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">"Responding to the Five Hundred Year
Flood<SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial;
mso-bidi-font-weight: bold">".<B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">
<P class=MsoNormal
style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto"><B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black"><B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The Foundation
deployed 27 teams (that it had funded or trained the last four years) they
averaged 220 rescues per team and hundreds of animals. The special boat
teams we led for the 3rd Brigade 82nd Airborne (with 45 boats supplied
by the Foundation) rescued just under 6000 people with boats and boat crews
provided by Bear Search Rescue Foundation.
<P class=MsoNormal
style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto"><B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> In all 11,000 people and
hundreds of animals are alive today because of the Foundation. We also
started the policy of rescuing anything that lived. You'll love the
attached story and the second attachment with its simple country lawyer
quality that got around the whole FEMA system that minimizes rescue. I gave
orders that anything that lived be rescued!<B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black">
<P class=MsoNormal
style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto"><B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black">
<P class=MsoNormal
style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto"><B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The Foundation with
the USCG started a program just before Katrina to support local SAR teams
around the country; it is called the Bear Boat Program (Boat Emergency Action
Response). It will provide boats and coxswains from the USCGA to support
on a consistent basis local SAR, Fire, Police and
<st1:place><st1:stockticker><B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">EMS</st1:stockticker></st1:place><B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">services. The
plans now are for rapid response teams with minimum of twenty inflatable boats
in trailers ready to go and cached supplies for two weeks to the scene of
disasters. <B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black">
<P class=MsoNormal
style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto"><B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> What we did in
<st1:State><st1:place><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Louisiana</st1:place></st1:State><B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> made all we did at
the WTC like a pebble on the beach, but it set the stage for this greater
good. <SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black">
<P class=MsoNormal
style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto"><B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">When I called Gov
Blanco of Louisiana officeto deploy teams I gave my name, rank, the
units, it all meant nothing to her, then out of desperation I said "do you
remember Bear from the World Trade Center" andshe said "I read the book,
I know who you are........how many units and when can they be
here?"<B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black">
<P class=MsoNormal
style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto"><B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I knew that Bear
would become a legend, I wanted to turn thatlegend into a legacy to keep
people (and now animals) alive. Bear lives!<B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black">
<P class=MsoNormal
style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto"><B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black">
<P class=MsoNormal
style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto"><B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Please open
attachments.<SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black">
<P class=MsoNormal
style="BACKGROUND: white; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto"><B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Scott
Shields<SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: black">
732 713
6298
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| Subject: | Re: Selma Photo and Video Links |
Works for me!
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: Kevin Pilling
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Selma Photo and Video Links
We could write it into the SOP's.......men to keep their shirts ON...women to keep
theirs OFF
----- Original Message -----
From: Fraser, Gus
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Selma Photo and Video Links
Great but let's just make sure we don't loose the bare breasted women, ok.
Gus
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Roger...Thanks,
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: Craig Payne
Subject: Yak-List: Prop OH
>Doc wrote:
>
>Growler,
>Kevalar? Tell me more. My V450 blades are getting dinged up pretty good now from
>all those pesky pebbles that are blown all over my ramp from twins using it
>as a turn-around! What are you doing for balancing.
Balance per digital laboratory scale. Way too much effort though, especially for
a working guy on limited hours. Send it out to Whirlwind or get a gun on that
Yak to dust off those twins.
BTW, real handle is "CW". As a young buck fresh out of the corps, working full
time and going to college too, I wore my old utilities with my name stamped on:
"CW Payne" rather than buy new clothes. In those days the owners name had to
be on pickup trucks as well....so more "CW".
Craig Payne
cpayne@joimail.com
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Steve Dalton" <sdalton@goeaston.net>
From: "Richard Goode" <richard.goode@russianaeros.com>
Subject: Yak-List: MTV Props
It is completely unscientific to compare the relative performance of
three different
aeroplanes chasing each other around the sky!
We have done proper back-to-back tests on an Su-26 with 400-hp, and
MTV-9-260-27
and MTV-9-260-29.
The tests were done on the same day; the same pilot; the same fuel load
AND a slight
correction for the temperature/pressure change while changing the prop
over.
The improvement for various parameters was between 6 percent and 14
percent - if
you would like specific figures, please let me know and we can e-mail
the table
directly - as this list does not accept tables!
Richard Goode
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Herefordshire
HR5 3LW
United Kingdom
Richard,
I have no doubt whatsoever that your scientific testing proved that the
-29 blade, on an SU-26, had superior performance compared to the -26
blade. If I flew an SU-26 I would want the -29 blade prop.
However, when three identical planes, with the same pilot/fuel loads,
fly side by side and each sets the same power setting (cruise, 80%, 100%
power with full throttle) and then all three planes have LESS THAN ONE
KNOT difference in speed, this "common sense" testing indicates that the
difference in the two different propeller blades (as it relates to
speed) is next to nothing -- for that type plane.
We were only interested in speed, not vertical performance. The local
MT dealer had told us the speed difference would be 10-15 mph better
with the -29 blades. We did the test not to disprove him, but rather,
because we hoped it was true and we intended to buy new -29 blade props.
We were disappointed when there was NO difference.
Again, I believe you proved the -29 blade superior on an SU-26. But on
a Yak-52TW, the difference in speed performance is not detectable. I
think any prop would be hard pressed to make a Yak-52 significantly
faster.
Best regards,
Steve Dalton
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Steve,
It all boils down to the Clark Y airfoil. You can make rocks fly with
enough thrust.
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: Steve Dalton <sdalton@goeaston.net>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 10/21/2005 9:50:26 AM
> Subject: Yak-List: RE: MTV Props
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Steve Dalton" <sdalton@goeaston.net>
>
> From: "Richard Goode" <richard.goode@russianaeros.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: MTV Props
>
> It is completely unscientific to compare the relative performance of
> three different
> aeroplanes chasing each other around the sky!
>
> We have done proper back-to-back tests on an Su-26 with 400-hp, and
> MTV-9-260-27
> and MTV-9-260-29.
>
> The tests were done on the same day; the same pilot; the same fuel load
> AND a slight
> correction for the temperature/pressure change while changing the prop
> over.
>
> The improvement for various parameters was between 6 percent and 14
> percent - if
> you would like specific figures, please let me know and we can e-mail
> the table
> directly - as this list does not accept tables!
> Richard Goode
>
> Richard Goode Aerobatics
> Rhodds Farm
> Lyonshall
> Herefordshire
> HR5 3LW
> United Kingdom
>
> Richard,
>
> I have no doubt whatsoever that your scientific testing proved that the
> -29 blade, on an SU-26, had superior performance compared to the -26
> blade. If I flew an SU-26 I would want the -29 blade prop.
>
> However, when three identical planes, with the same pilot/fuel loads,
> fly side by side and each sets the same power setting (cruise, 80%, 100%
> power with full throttle) and then all three planes have LESS THAN ONE
> KNOT difference in speed, this "common sense" testing indicates that the
> difference in the two different propeller blades (as it relates to
> speed) is next to nothing -- for that type plane.
>
> We were only interested in speed, not vertical performance. The local
> MT dealer had told us the speed difference would be 10-15 mph better
> with the -29 blades. We did the test not to disprove him, but rather,
> because we hoped it was true and we intended to buy new -29 blade props.
> We were disappointed when there was NO difference.
>
> Again, I believe you proved the -29 blade superior on an SU-26. But on
> a Yak-52TW, the difference in speed performance is not detectable. I
> think any prop would be hard pressed to make a Yak-52 significantly
> faster.
>
> Best regards,
> Steve Dalton
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: MTV Props |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Roger Kemp wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>
> Steve,
> It all boils down to the Clark Y airfoil. You can make rocks fly with
> enough thrust.
I think you are giving the airfoil a bit too much credit in the drag
calculation. I would put my money on plain old parasitic drag in this case.
The Yak-52 IS the aerodynamic equivalent of a rock. That is part of its beauty.
--
Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
brian-yak@lloyd.com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Brian,
That is the way she was designed..to imulate the jet. She does a damned
good job of it too. Particularly in the way a turbo jet engine lags and
spools up ..not so with the fan jet engines. The wing loading is pretty
much on and as you say..pull the power and she drops like a rock. Have not
seen a T-37, F-4, F-4, F-15, or my love..F-16 win an glider
contest...neither will the 52!
But we were talking about Steve's TW with it's cute little fold all the
way into the airfoil feet to farther reduce the parasitic drag. He still
does not have the stellar dash or increased cruise speeds that one would
hope for in a XC aircraft. But, hey, I did not buy my YAK for an XC a/c.
She is for boring holes in the sky and converting 100LL to noise!
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 10/21/2005 11:23:39 AM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: RE: MTV Props
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
>
> Roger Kemp wrote:
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> >
> > Steve,
> > It all boils down to the Clark Y airfoil. You can make rocks fly with
> > enough thrust.
>
> I think you are giving the airfoil a bit too much credit in the drag
> calculation. I would put my money on plain old parasitic drag in this
case.
> The Yak-52 IS the aerodynamic equivalent of a rock. That is part of its
beauty.
>
> --
> Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
> brian-yak@lloyd.com Folsom, CA 95630
> +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
>
> I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
> - Antoine de Saint-Exupery
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
I would question that logic. My L-29 was the next step up for the
trainees, and it glides rather well, and if you pull the power
back....nothing happens for a while. Jets as you well know, dont
behave at all like their piston bretheren when it comes to throttle
response. Our prop planes will accelerate/decelerate instantaniously
as compared to a jet. Flying formation in a jet I find, requires
slightly different throttle management technique.
I really doubt the reasoning for not using flush rivets was to
purposely induce drag. Most probably a financial decision.
Ernie
On 10/21/05, Roger Kemp <viperdoc@mindspring.com> wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>
> Brian,
> That is the way she was designed..to imulate the jet. She does a damned
> good job of it too. Particularly in the way a turbo jet engine lags and
> spools up ..not so with the fan jet engines. The wing loading is pretty
> much on and as you say..pull the power and she drops like a rock. Have not
> seen a T-37, F-4, F-4, F-15, or my love..F-16 win an glider
> contest...neither will the 52!
> But we were talking about Steve's TW with it's cute little fold all the
> way into the airfoil feet to farther reduce the parasitic drag. He still
> does not have the stellar dash or increased cruise speeds that one would
> hope for in a XC aircraft. But, hey, I did not buy my YAK for an XC a/c.
> She is for boring holes in the sky and converting 100LL to noise!
> Doc
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
> > To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> > Date: 10/21/2005 11:23:39 AM
> > Subject: Re: Yak-List: RE: MTV Props
> >
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
> >
> > Roger Kemp wrote:
> > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> > >
> > > Steve,
> > > It all boils down to the Clark Y airfoil. You can make rocks fly with
> > > enough thrust.
> >
> > I think you are giving the airfoil a bit too much credit in the drag
> > calculation. I would put my money on plain old parasitic drag in this
> case.
> > The Yak-52 IS the aerodynamic equivalent of a rock. That is part of its
> beauty.
> >
> > --
> > Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
> > brian-yak@lloyd.com Folsom, CA 95630
> > +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
> >
> > I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
> > - Antoine de Saint-Exupery
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Roger Kemp wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>
> Brian,
> That is the way she was designed..to imulate the jet. She does a damned
> good job of it too. Particularly in the way a turbo jet engine lags and
> spools up ..not so with the fan jet engines. The wing loading is pretty
> much on and as you say..pull the power and she drops like a rock. Have not
> seen a T-37, F-4, F-4, F-15, or my love..F-16 win an glider
> contest...neither will the 52!
I know. I like high-thrust, high-drag aircraft.
BTW, I have a friend who has dead-sticked an F-16 to a successful landing
after a massive turbine failure. Seems it glides well enough. The video
footage was pretty interesting. Someone in his squadron had a camera in hand
and heard the initial mayday. I am kind-of amazed it kept flying because there
was not much left of the ass end. His new callsign after that was "Smokey".
> But we were talking about Steve's TW with it's cute little fold all the
> way into the airfoil feet to farther reduce the parasitic drag. He still
> does not have the stellar dash or increased cruise speeds that one would
> hope for in a XC aircraft. But, hey, I did not buy my YAK for an XC a/c.
> She is for boring holes in the sky and converting 100LL to noise!
Parasitic drag doesn't always come from where you expect it to come from.
Clearly Craig is doing things the right way and leaving no tern unstoned.
--
Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
brian-yak@lloyd.com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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| Subject: | cj cowling rubber mounts |
I ordered new cowling rubber mounts from Mr. Sapp and they were not the style that
fit my CJ and the style I need is not available. I found a company that will
form new ones into the OE brackets. Aerofab Machining 651-257-8642. See
photo attached
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Fraser, Gus" <gus.fraser@gs.com>
Talking about a Jet formation see.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/avdb/news_web/video/9012da680028d30/nb/09012da68
00290c9_16x9_nb.asx
It seems that the RAF has the same difficulty justifying the Typhoon as the
USAF does with the YF-22.
Don't they know that guys and gals just want to fly ?
Gus
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Fraser, Gus" <gus.fraser@gs.com>
You will have to copy the link as the list server has split the link into
two lines.
Gus
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fraser, Gus
Subject: Yak-List: Typhoon
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Fraser, Gus" <gus.fraser@gs.com>
Talking about a Jet formation see.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/avdb/news_web/video/9012da680028d30/nb/09012da68
00290c9_16x9_nb.asx
It seems that the RAF has the same difficulty justifying the Typhoon as the
USAF does with the YF-22.
Don't they know that guys and gals just want to fly ?
Gus
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| Subject: | Re: cj cowling rubber mounts |
If it's the old style insert type...I make my own by pressing a round punch through
1/2" rubber sheet and then pressing the lubed "donut" into the ring. For
a center, I use a piece of bushing stock for the pin to pass through.
Craig Payne
cpayne@joimail.com
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| Subject: | Re: cj cowling rubber mounts |
Craig - any chance you have 2 extra of these fine fabrications you'd care to
sell? Here in Marin County, we are required to out-source all fab work-off
shore & its usually a 3 month process to have them pass our stringent
antinuclear & ecological requirements once complete.
Dave
In a message dated 10/21/2005 3:10:25 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
cpayne@joimail.com writes:
If it's the old style insert type...I make my own by pressing a round punch
through 1/2" rubber sheet and then pressing the lubed "donut" into the ring.
For a center, I use a piece of bushing stock for the pin to pass through.
Craig Payne
cpayne@joimail.com
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| Subject: | Carb Overhaul Question |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Martyn" <vertigo@whidbey.net>
Gentlemen,
I'm interested to find out where one gets the K-14 carb overhauled. Please
reply offline. Thanks for the help.
Jim Martyn
vertigo@whidbey.net
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| Subject: | Selma Photo and Video Links |
Need Help, What were the Team Names and the Winners of the formation
competition.. I am finishing up the last video, and wanted to put that info
in there..
In case you have not seen some other videos I added:
http://www.mcgirt.net/yak/
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| Subject: | Re: Selma Photo and Video Links |
In a message dated 10/21/2005 9:52:13 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
david@mcgirt.net writes:
Need Help, What were the Team Names and the Winners of the formation
competition.. I am finishing up the last video, and wanted to put that info in
there..
In case you have not seen some other videos I added:
_http://www.mcgirt.net/yak/_ (http://www.mcgirt.net/yak/)
NE Raiders won first.
Second went to the ?????? (I forget)
Weasel were third.
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| Subject: | Selma Photo and Video Links |
Dav,
I believe Steve Dalton, Terry Slawinski were two of the ones on the winning team
(Northridge Raider--I believe). Scott Patterson, Roger Kemp, Ray Gage,and Shane
Golden made up the Snake team. I do not remember who was the last team was.
I have not had the chance to burn a second Viper video yet. Will get it done sometime
real soon.
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: David McGirt
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Selma Photo and Video Links
Need Help, What were the Team Names and the Winners of the formation competition..
I am finishing up the last video, and wanted to put that info in there..
In case you have not seen some other videos I added:
http://www.mcgirt.net/yak/
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| Subject: | Selma Photo and Video Links |
Thanks all, I will use this info..
I also added a fun video with a theme song we should all know. :-) Just
click refresh on that page, to make sure you see all the videos that are
listed.. Sorry they are so big, just easier to deal with for me..
_____
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Selma Photo and Video Links
Dav,
I believe Steve Dalton, Terry Slawinski were two of the ones on the winning
team (Northridge Raider--I believe). Scott Patterson, Roger Kemp, Ray
Gage,and Shane Golden made up the Snake team. I do not remember who was the
last team was.
I have not had the chance to burn a second Viper video yet. Will get it done
sometime real soon.
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: David McGirt <mailto:david@mcgirt.net>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Selma Photo and Video Links
Need Help, What were the Team Names and the Winners of the formation
competition.. I am finishing up the last video, and wanted to put that info
in there..
In case you have not seen some other videos I added:
http://www.mcgirt.net/yak/
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| Subject: | Re: Selma Photo and Video Links |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
Are we going to have competitions at waycross? I'd like to earn an
award for something.....Ok I just opened myself up for that one.
Ernie
On 10/21/05, David McGirt <david@mcgirt.net> wrote:
>
>
> Thanks all, I will use this info..
>
>
> I also added a fun video with a theme song we should all know. J Just click
> refresh on that page, to make sure you see all the videos that are listed..
> Sorry they are so big, just easier to deal with for me..
>
>
> ________________________________
>
>
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Roger Kemp
> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 11:19 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Selma Photo and Video Links
>
>
> Dav,
>
>
> I believe Steve Dalton, Terry Slawinski were two of the ones on the winning
> team (Northridge Raider--I believe). Scott Patterson, Roger Kemp, Ray
> Gage,and Shane Golden made up the Snake team. I do not remember who was the
> last team was.
>
>
> I have not had the chance to burn a second Viper video yet. Will get it done
> sometime real soon.
>
>
> Doc
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
>
> From: David McGirt
>
>
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>
>
> Sent: 10/21/2005 8:51:03 PM
>
>
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Selma Photo and Video Links
>
>
> Need Help, What were the Team Names and the Winners of the formation
> competition.. I am finishing up the last video, and wanted to put that info
> in there..
>
>
> In case you have not seen some other videos I added:
>
>
> http://www.mcgirt.net/yak/
>
>
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| Subject: | Selma Photo and Video Links |
Talon,
Thanks for all you have done for the gang at SEM this past weekend! Have really
enjoyed the videos and the pictures. And no incrementing shots for future bribery...bummer!
No judges in compromising positions with bar maids or fighter pilots
being fighter pilots. Maybe next year... Had a blast ...reminded me of being
back on active duty without the next morning headache from Bat Hangings drinking
inverted Jeremiah Weed shooters or Combat Crud! Oh well something happened
along the way. Guess I got older, got promoted, and now have to be the adult
supervisor! Bummer...it was so much fun to be a Lt/ young Capt. where they
not only forgave you for being young and stupid, it was expected!
Maybe next year, The Snakes will not be denied the formation win they so richly
deserved this time! After all Northeast Raiders will be short one of their team
members and the Snakes will have practiced togather at least once before the
next fly-in!
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: David McGirt
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Selma Photo and Video Links
Thanks all, I will use this info..
I also added a fun video with a theme song we should all know. J Just click refresh
on that page, to make sure you see all the videos that are listed.. Sorry
they are so big, just easier to deal with for me..
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Selma Photo and Video Links
Dav,
I believe Steve Dalton, Terry Slawinski were two of the ones on the winning team
(Northridge Raider--I believe). Scott Patterson, Roger Kemp, Ray Gage,and Shane
Golden made up the Snake team. I do not remember who was the last team was.
I have not had the chance to burn a second Viper video yet. Will get it done sometime
real soon.
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: David McGirt
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Selma Photo and Video Links
Need Help, What were the Team Names and the Winners of the formation competition..
I am finishing up the last video, and wanted to put that info in there..
In case you have not seen some other videos I added:
http://www.mcgirt.net/yak/
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| Subject: | Re: Selma Photo and Video Links |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Yes, they will be known as the Frozen Testicles award!
And, yes Ernie you are wide open on that one but will pass this time. Your
big blow is arriving Sunday evening or Monday morning. Hunker down
guys...this bitch is not gonna be pretty.
A little known fact about Katrina...She blew into NO the day before the Gay
Pride was hold their Rainbow Parade..just blew the fairies right out of
town!
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 10/21/2005 11:02:35 PM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Selma Photo and Video Links
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
>
> Are we going to have competitions at waycross? I'd like to earn an
> award for something.....Ok I just opened myself up for that one.
>
> Ernie
>
> On 10/21/05, David McGirt <david@mcgirt.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks all, I will use this info..
> >
> >
> >
> > I also added a fun video with a theme song we should all know. J Just
click
> > refresh on that page, to make sure you see all the videos that are
listed..
> > Sorry they are so big, just easier to deal with for me..
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> >
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> > Roger Kemp
> > Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 11:19 PM
> > To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Selma Photo and Video Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Dav,
> >
> >
> > I believe Steve Dalton, Terry Slawinski were two of the ones on the
winning
> > team (Northridge Raider--I believe). Scott Patterson, Roger Kemp, Ray
> > Gage,and Shane Golden made up the Snake team. I do not remember who was
the
> > last team was.
> >
> >
> > I have not had the chance to burn a second Viper video yet. Will get it
done
> > sometime real soon.
> >
> >
> > Doc
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >
> >
> > From: David McGirt
> >
> >
> > To: yak-list@matronics.com
> >
> >
> > Sent: 10/21/2005 8:51:03 PM
> >
> >
> > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Selma Photo and Video Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Need Help, What were the Team Names and the Winners of the formation
> > competition.. I am finishing up the last video, and wanted to put that
info
> > in there..
> >
> >
> >
> > In case you have not seen some other videos I added:
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.mcgirt.net/yak/
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
Thanks Doc,
But just becuase we had a few drinks together doesnt mean we're going
to be sharing a nice hot shower talking about our feelings.
Love
Ernie
On 10/22/05, Roger Kemp <viperdoc@mindspring.com> wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>
> Yes, they will be known as the Frozen Testicles award!
> And, yes Ernie you are wide open on that one but will pass this time. Your
> big blow is arriving Sunday evening or Monday morning. Hunker down
> guys...this bitch is not gonna be pretty.
> A little known fact about Katrina...She blew into NO the day before the Gay
> Pride was hold their Rainbow Parade..just blew the fairies right out of
> town!
> Doc
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
> > To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> > Date: 10/21/2005 11:02:35 PM
> > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Selma Photo and Video Links
> >
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
> >
> > Are we going to have competitions at waycross? I'd like to earn an
> > award for something.....Ok I just opened myself up for that one.
> >
> > Ernie
> >
> > On 10/21/05, David McGirt <david@mcgirt.net> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks all, I will use this info..
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I also added a fun video with a theme song we should all know. J Just
> click
> > > refresh on that page, to make sure you see all the videos that are
> listed..
> > > Sorry they are so big, just easier to deal with for me..
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > >
> > >
> > > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> > > Roger Kemp
> > > Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 11:19 PM
> > > To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Selma Photo and Video Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Dav,
> > >
> > >
> > > I believe Steve Dalton, Terry Slawinski were two of the ones on the
> winning
> > > team (Northridge Raider--I believe). Scott Patterson, Roger Kemp, Ray
> > > Gage,and Shane Golden made up the Snake team. I do not remember who was
> the
> > > last team was.
> > >
> > >
> > > I have not had the chance to burn a second Viper video yet. Will get it
> done
> > > sometime real soon.
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> > > From: David McGirt
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> > > To: yak-list@matronics.com
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> > > Sent: 10/21/2005 8:51:03 PM
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> > > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Selma Photo and Video Links
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> > > Need Help, What were the Team Names and the Winners of the formation
> > > competition.. I am finishing up the last video, and wanted to put that
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> > > In case you have not seen some other videos I added:
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> > > http://www.mcgirt.net/yak/
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