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1. 07:38 AM - Re: louvered panels (Barry Hancock)
2. 08:49 AM - Re: Re: louvered panels (Craig Payne)
3. 09:26 AM - Re: Re: Re: louvered panels (Fraser, Gus)
4. 09:54 AM - Re: No Guts, No Glory (Aviation Collectables) (fish@aviation-tech.com)
5. 10:50 AM - Re: No Guts, No Glory (Aviation Collectables) (Roger Kemp)
6. 10:51 AM - Re: Re: Re: louvered panels (Roger Kemp)
7. 11:21 AM - Re: No Guts, No Glory (Aviation Collectables) (Francis Butler)
8. 11:57 AM - Re: No Guts, No Glory (Aviation Collectables) (Roger Kemp)
9. 12:53 PM - Re: Oh,dear. (Jay Land)
10. 01:45 PM - Re: No Guts, No Glory (Aviation Collectables) (Francis Butler)
11. 02:16 PM - Re: No Guts, No Glory (Aviation Collectables) (Roger Kemp)
12. 04:20 PM - Doc's comment (E R)
13. 04:53 PM - Re: Doc's comment (Ernest Martinez)
14. 07:38 PM - ARS DVD Trailer (Barry Hancock)
15. 08:13 PM - Re: ARS DVD Trailer (Jay Land)
16. 09:24 PM - Re: No Guts, No Glory (Aviation Collectables) (Bitterlich GS11 Mark G)
17. 10:19 PM - Re: Fuels for M-14P (Bitterlich GS11 Mark G)
18. 11:15 PM - Gear handle in the neutral position (Shinden33)
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| Subject: | Re: louvered panels |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <barry@flyredstar.org>
On Oct 23, 2005, at 11:58 PM, Yak-List Digest Server wrote:
> Poster: Craig Payne <cpayne@joimail.com>
>
> Lists: Yak-List
>
> Subject: Louvered Panels
Hi Craig,
Have you had a chance to see what kinda difference it makes? We're
planning to do the right side one and also the circular panel on the
bottom where the ADF antenna used to be. We can get a fair amount of
louvers there...and it's pretty well out of sight...
I know Rich T. down in AZ has had good success with the louvers. He
now needs a light in the cockpit to tell him when his smoke is
on....'cuz in S&L flight he gets zero smoke in the cockpit...
Barry
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| Subject: | Re: re: louvered panels |
Barry,
Yes it helps some but I'm not through yet. Adding 3" to the exhaust stacks moved
a lot of the oily stuff down below the underside. Lots cleaner down there now
but still some CO in the rear cockpit., perhaps through wheel wells. A rear
cockpit vent will help in cruise but not much will help when flying with any
AOA.
Craig Payne
cpayne@joimail.com
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| Subject: | Re: re: louvered panels |
Craig,
You are just the guy to try this, how about taking the exhaust out mid stack
so that it goes over the wing ?
Plus it would look mondo cool at night with all those flames visible from
the cockpit rather than wasted out of the pilots sight :)))
Gus
_____
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Craig Payne
Subject: Yak-List: Re: re: louvered panels
Barry,
Yes it helps some but I'm not through yet. Adding 3" to the exhaust stacks
moved a lot of the oily stuff down below the underside. Lots cleaner down
there now but still some CO in the rear cockpit., perhaps through wheel
wells. A rear cockpit vent will help in cruise but not much will help when
flying with any AOA.
Craig Payne
cpayne@joimail.com <mailto:cpayne@joimail.com>
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<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>Craig,
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>You are just the guy to try this, how about taking the exhaust out
mid stack so that it goes over the wing ?
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>Plus it would look mondo cool at night with all those flames
visible from the cockpit rather than wasted out of the pilots sight
:)))
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff>Gus
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Craig
Payne
yak-list
Subject: Yak-List: Re: re: louvered
panels
Barry,
Yes it helps some but I'm not through yet. Adding 3" to the exhaust
stacks moved a lot of the oily stuff down below the underside. Lots cleaner
down there now but still some CO in the rear cockpit., perhaps through wheel
wells. A rear cockpit vent will help in cruise butnot much will
help when flying with any AOA.
Craig Payne
cpayne@joimail.com
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| Subject: | Re: No Guts, No Glory (Aviation Collectables) |
--> Yak-List message posted by: fish@aviation-tech.com
Tim, Doc, Pappy and Others,
I also collect autographed books, and here is my listing:
1. Voyager, 1 st Printing; Burt/Dick Rutan
2. Ace, 1 st Printing; Col Bruce Porter
3. Baa Baa Blacksheep, 17 th Printing; Col Greg Boyington
4. Benjamin O. Davis; 1 st Printing; Gen Benjamin O. Davis
5. Doorknob Five Tow, 8 th Printing; Fredric Arnold
6. Gabby, A fighter Pilot's Life, 2 nd Printing; Francis Gabreski
7. God is My Co-Pilot, 1 st Printing; Col Robert L. Scott
8. Mission with Le May, 1 st Printing; General Curtis E. LeMay
9. Tale of a Tiger, 3 rd Printing; Robert T. Smith
10. Yeager, 1 st Printing; General Chuck Yeager
11. Press On, 1 st Printing; General Chuck Yeager
12. Air & Space Smithsonian, Burt/Dick Ruttan, Scott Crossfield, Chuck Yeager,
Joe Engle, Bill Dana, More that I can not remember off the to of my head.
Also have:
1. Anouther 100 or so aviation books not autographed
2. 10,000 aircraft manuals from WW I thru V-22 Ospray.
3. Part from the XB-49, with part number on it.
4. Parts from the X-31 crash outside Edwards AFB.
5. Aviation Life Support Collection (Helmets, Mask, Ect.)
Aircraft:
1. Yak-52, N213YA
2. PT-19A, project (80% Complete)
3. PT-19A, Project (100% Complete)
4. L-5, Project (100% Complete)
6. L-5E, Project (40 % Complete)
7. BT-13A, Frame and Data Plate
8. BT-13B, Frame and Data Plate
Hope to start a Museum next year and call it "Museum of California Aviation
and Space Science (MCAS, Mojave)".
Hopefully I will be able to locate it at the Mojave airport, which started out
as MCAS Mojave during WW II.
Fly Safe
John Fischer
California City, CA
>
>Well the closest I can come to that is a signed copy of Enola Gay (Gen Paul
Tibbets-his son was a patient of mine), Yeager ( Gen Chuck Yeager - came an
spoke to my squadron once), God is My Co-pilot ( Gen Robert Scott - was once
my patient. Had to sew his arm up after he cut it pretty badly on constentina
wire he was stringing around his back yard fence in Sun City. Someone had come
over his backyard fence and had broken into his home. " I can't shoot the Son
Of A Bitch because I can't have a gun in Sun Ci
>That is my collection of aviation memorabilia.
>Doc
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From:
>To: yak-list@matronics.com
>Sent: 10/23/2005 4:05:10 PM
>Subject: Re: Yak-List: No Guts, No Glory
>
>
>In a message dated 10/23/2005 3:23:52 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, NiftyYak50@msn.com
writes:
>
>
>NOW there is a REAL collector's item. I an it got nothing like that.
>
>
>Pappy,
>
>
>I have a current issue HGU-55/P helmet with the
>signatures of the following:
>
>Tommy Hayes
>Gabby Gabreski
>Pete Peterson
>Bruce Carr
>Tex Hill
>Joe Foss
>Robert L Scott
>Robin Olds
>Chuck Yeager
>Bud Anderson
>Paddy Barthrop (BoB ace)
>Billy Drake (BoB ace)
>Bob Goebles
>Rene Burtner (long story)
>Paul Olson
>Tom Landry (yes..the Dallas Cowboys coach..also B-17 driver)
>Bob Morgan (Memphis Belle)
>Phil Ardery (B-24 pilot who flew in Ploesti and started the KY ANG)
>A few others that I cannot remember right now.
>
>Sometime early next year I am off to Germany to interview Gunther Rall for
>an article.
>
>Now, I would like to add Boots to that list as well!
>
>Tim
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: No Guts, No Glory (Aviation Collectables) |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Fish,
You obviously are letting the mundane things in life like working for a
living get in the way of your true calling. Collecting aviation
memorabelia. Yep, I'm pretty good at putting wings on dollars and having
them fly away from me!
Doc
PS. I did forget one book...Black Airman. Signed by most of the living
Tuskegee Airmen. I have an advantage on that one...Tuskegee is about 40
miles east of me and they have an Annual fly-in at Molton Field to honor
them. We usually send a jet over each year and sometimes we stop. Benjamin
O's son is our ANG CC. He tells some great stories of growing up in his
shadow. In another of those converting $$ to air, I had the pleasure of
arranging his supper (and an ontorage of generals) on my tab at the Capital
City club when he was in town to give a talk to the Air War College.
Hum...that reminds me...I have never been paid back for that! Hum,,,how
does a 0-6 remind a 4 star that he still owes me for supper??? Guess that
will just have to be a write off.
Like I said $$$ to air.
> [Original Message]
> From: <fish@aviation-tech.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 10/24/2005 11:50:50 AM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: No Guts, No Glory (Aviation Collectables)
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: fish@aviation-tech.com
>
> Tim, Doc, Pappy and Others,
>
> I also collect autographed books, and here is my listing:
>
> 1. Voyager, 1 st Printing; Burt/Dick Rutan
> 2. Ace, 1 st Printing; Col Bruce Porter
> 3. Baa Baa Blacksheep, 17 th Printing; Col Greg Boyington
> 4. Benjamin O. Davis; 1 st Printing; Gen Benjamin O. Davis
> 5. Doorknob Five Tow, 8 th Printing; Fredric Arnold
> 6. Gabby, A fighter Pilot's Life, 2 nd Printing; Francis Gabreski
> 7. God is My Co-Pilot, 1 st Printing; Col Robert L. Scott
> 8. Mission with Le May, 1 st Printing; General Curtis E. LeMay
> 9. Tale of a Tiger, 3 rd Printing; Robert T. Smith
> 10. Yeager, 1 st Printing; General Chuck Yeager
> 11. Press On, 1 st Printing; General Chuck Yeager
> 12. Air & Space Smithsonian, Burt/Dick Ruttan, Scott Crossfield, Chuck
Yeager,
> Joe Engle, Bill Dana, More that I can not remember off the to of my head.
>
> Also have:
> 1. Anouther 100 or so aviation books not autographed
> 2. 10,000 aircraft manuals from WW I thru V-22 Ospray.
> 3. Part from the XB-49, with part number on it.
> 4. Parts from the X-31 crash outside Edwards AFB.
> 5. Aviation Life Support Collection (Helmets, Mask, Ect.)
>
> Aircraft:
> 1. Yak-52, N213YA
> 2. PT-19A, project (80% Complete)
> 3. PT-19A, Project (100% Complete)
> 4. L-5, Project (100% Complete)
> 6. L-5E, Project (40 % Complete)
> 7. BT-13A, Frame and Data Plate
> 8. BT-13B, Frame and Data Plate
>
> Hope to start a Museum next year and call it "Museum of California
Aviation
> and Space Science (MCAS, Mojave)".
>
> Hopefully I will be able to locate it at the Mojave airport, which
started out
> as MCAS Mojave during WW II.
>
> Fly Safe
> John Fischer
> California City, CA
>
> >
> >Well the closest I can come to that is a signed copy of Enola Gay (Gen
Paul
> Tibbets-his son was a patient of mine), Yeager ( Gen Chuck Yeager - came
an
> spoke to my squadron once), God is My Co-pilot ( Gen Robert Scott - was
once
> my patient. Had to sew his arm up after he cut it pretty badly on
constentina
> wire he was stringing around his back yard fence in Sun City. Someone had
come
> over his backyard fence and had broken into his home. " I can't shoot the
Son
> Of A Bitch because I can't have a gun in Sun Ci
> >That is my collection of aviation memorabilia.
> >Doc
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From:
> >To: yak-list@matronics.com
> >Sent: 10/23/2005 4:05:10 PM
> >Subject: Re: Yak-List: No Guts, No Glory
> >
> >
> >In a message dated 10/23/2005 3:23:52 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
NiftyYak50@msn.com
> writes:
> >
> >
> >NOW there is a REAL collector's item. I an it got nothing like that.
> >
> >
> >Pappy,
> >
> >
> >
> >I have a current issue HGU-55/P helmet with the
> >signatures of the following:
> >
> >Tommy Hayes
> >Gabby Gabreski
> >Pete Peterson
> >Bruce Carr
> >Tex Hill
> >Joe Foss
> >Robert L Scott
> >Robin Olds
> >Chuck Yeager
> >Bud Anderson
> >Paddy Barthrop (BoB ace)
> >Billy Drake (BoB ace)
> >Bob Goebles
> >Rene Burtner (long story)
> >Paul Olson
> >Tom Landry (yes..the Dallas Cowboys coach..also B-17 driver)
> >Bob Morgan (Memphis Belle)
> >Phil Ardery (B-24 pilot who flew in Ploesti and started the KY ANG)
> >A few others that I cannot remember right now.
> >
> >Sometime early next year I am off to Germany to interview Gunther Rall
for
>
> >an article.
> >
> >Now, I would like to add Boots to that list as well!
> >
> >Tim
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: re: louvered panels |
That's if he's still breathing after you do that.
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: Fraser, Gus
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: re: louvered panels
Craig,
You are just the guy to try this, how about taking the exhaust out mid stack so
that it goes over the wing ?
Plus it would look mondo cool at night with all those flames visible from the cockpit
rather than wasted out of the pilots sight :)))
Gus
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Craig Payne
Subject: Yak-List: Re: re: louvered panels
Barry,
Yes it helps some but I'm not through yet. Adding 3" to the exhaust stacks moved
a lot of the oily stuff down below the underside. Lots cleaner down there now
but still some CO in the rear cockpit., perhaps through wheel wells. A rear
cockpit vent will help in cruise but not much will help when flying with any
AOA.
Craig Payne
cpayne@joimail.com
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| Subject: | Re: No Guts, No Glory (Aviation Collectables) |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Francis Butler" <francis_butler@msn.com>
As long as we are going to show off our collectables.....
For sale - collectors edition
1st edition book titled "Green Eggs and Ham" by Dr. Seuss
Will draw picture of airplane on cover for you aviation collectors.
For a few dollars extra, will throw in copy of "One Fish Two Fish Red Fish
Blue Fish" that can be re-titled with a stroke of my Sharpie "One Yak Two
Yak Red Yak Blue Yak".
And as long as we are wasting space on the internet, how bout a rehash of a
limerick or two. A few of those were highly entertaining.
FB
Grey Yak Red Yak
RB-10 (100% complete)
RB-10 (80% complete, no rubber band)
RB-10 (data plate only, no balsa airframe or rubber band)
I luv this Yak list....
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| Subject: | Re: No Guts, No Glory (Aviation Collectables) |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Francis,
You obviously are bored with the list. You need to be introduced to my
favorite XC wingman, Lt. Richard Gozenya.
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: Francis Butler <francis_butler@msn.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 10/24/2005 1:15:39 PM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: No Guts, No Glory (Aviation Collectables)
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Francis Butler" <francis_butler@msn.com>
>
>
> As long as we are going to show off our collectables.....
> For sale - collectors edition
> 1st edition book titled "Green Eggs and Ham" by Dr. Seuss
> Will draw picture of airplane on cover for you aviation collectors.
>
> For a few dollars extra, will throw in copy of "One Fish Two Fish Red
Fish
> Blue Fish" that can be re-titled with a stroke of my Sharpie "One Yak
Two
> Yak Red Yak Blue Yak".
>
> And as long as we are wasting space on the internet, how bout a rehash of
a
> limerick or two. A few of those were highly entertaining.
>
> FB
> Grey Yak Red Yak
> RB-10 (100% complete)
> RB-10 (80% complete, no rubber band)
> RB-10 (data plate only, no balsa airframe or rubber band)
>
> I luv this Yak list....
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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I understand from Dug that he is equally impressed with a Pan Amer=B9s ability
to remain standing after mucho imbibing!
It=B9s good to have such folk as neighbors!
You will also be pleased to hear that the Red Star Pilots were well
represented this weekend at the BAMA Jet Blast over in Gadsden AL. Gabby
managed to go 3 and 0 against another L39 with a Navy and Airforce crew in
some 1v1 neutrals (of course the Navy and Airforce guys were probably
arguing over tactics while I was just along for the ride as Gabby=B9s GIB!)
You should have seen their faces in the debrief!
I hope the hurricane has missed you.
J
From: <cjpilot710@aol.com>
Subject: Yak-List: Oh,dear.
Its 1:15am (0115 for you mil- types) and I am drunk. Do not,, gentle
soles, try to out drink an k true blue acro pilot. MY new neighbor (who
brought mh fellow airline budy and good friends home) is an Extra 300+
sales guy. He does acro all day demo airplanes for customers. (Jay, you
whom I speakth). After reliving our life stories, I discovered, he is the
son of "The Great Santeenie". Anyway I know now that your physical body
CANNNOT brake a Extra 300 (or what ever he sells), so that feeble attempts
to play fighter pilots in Yaks or CJ is damn right dangerous or dumb.
He also cooks a veryt good steak (midim rear for me ) and we drank 3 bottles
of vine to make sure it went down smooth. We did soap up the vine with sour
dough bread too. We did this of coruse discussin plans and waiting for
Wilma. We have our planes of course and will attempts to do them - - - -
tomoprrow.
Pappu
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| Subject: | Re: No Guts, No Glory (Aviation Collectables) |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Francis Butler" <francis_butler@msn.com>
Sorry Doc, I just had to throw in a post today. There are many of us that
just lurk out here on the list and rarely add our two cents. But let's face
it, this list is 25% useful information from people like Richard Goode, Mark
Jefferies, Mark Bitterlich, Doug Sapp, Jill G, Jeff L, Brian Lloyd and a few
others and the rest is nothing more than B.S and is of entertainment value
only. Never boring, always entertaining. And now that we are at the point
of listing our personal libraries, I just couldn't help it. Sorry.
By the way, you can keep your wingman, I know that's a special bond with air
force types. Us Marines are looking for your sisters.
FB
>From: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>Reply-To: yak-list@matronics.com
>To: yak-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Yak-List: No Guts, No Glory (Aviation Collectables)
>Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 13:52:21 -0500
>
>--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>
>Francis,
>You obviously are bored with the list. You need to be introduced to my
>favorite XC wingman, Lt. Richard Gozenya.
>Doc
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Francis Butler <francis_butler@msn.com>
> > To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> > Date: 10/24/2005 1:15:39 PM
> > Subject: Re: Yak-List: No Guts, No Glory (Aviation Collectables)
> >
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Francis Butler"
><francis_butler@msn.com>
> >
> >
> > As long as we are going to show off our collectables.....
> > For sale - collectors edition
> > 1st edition book titled "Green Eggs and Ham" by Dr. Seuss
> > Will draw picture of airplane on cover for you aviation collectors.
> >
> > For a few dollars extra, will throw in copy of "One Fish Two Fish Red
>Fish
> > Blue Fish" that can be re-titled with a stroke of my Sharpie "One Yak
>Two
> > Yak Red Yak Blue Yak".
> >
> > And as long as we are wasting space on the internet, how bout a rehash
>of
>a
> > limerick or two. A few of those were highly entertaining.
> >
> > FB
> > Grey Yak Red Yak
> > RB-10 (100% complete)
> > RB-10 (80% complete, no rubber band)
> > RB-10 (data plate only, no balsa airframe or rubber band)
> >
> > I luv this Yak list....
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: No Guts, No Glory (Aviation Collectables) |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Shack!
Like all good wingmen, he wears a big watch and takes the fat ugly ones on
Friday nights!
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: Francis Butler <francis_butler@msn.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 10/24/2005 3:42:10 PM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: No Guts, No Glory (Aviation Collectables)
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Francis Butler" <francis_butler@msn.com>
>
>
> Sorry Doc, I just had to throw in a post today. There are many of us
that
> just lurk out here on the list and rarely add our two cents. But let's
face
> it, this list is 25% useful information from people like Richard Goode,
Mark
> Jefferies, Mark Bitterlich, Doug Sapp, Jill G, Jeff L, Brian Lloyd and a
few
> others and the rest is nothing more than B.S and is of entertainment
value
> only. Never boring, always entertaining. And now that we are at the
point
> of listing our personal libraries, I just couldn't help it. Sorry.
> By the way, you can keep your wingman, I know that's a special bond with
air
> force types. Us Marines are looking for your sisters.
> FB
>
>
> >From: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> >Reply-To: yak-list@matronics.com
> >To: yak-list@matronics.com
> >Subject: Re: Yak-List: No Guts, No Glory (Aviation Collectables)
> >Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 13:52:21 -0500
> >
> >--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> >
> >Francis,
> >You obviously are bored with the list. You need to be introduced to my
> >favorite XC wingman, Lt. Richard Gozenya.
> >Doc
> >
> >
> > > [Original Message]
> > > From: Francis Butler <francis_butler@msn.com>
> > > To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> > > Date: 10/24/2005 1:15:39 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Yak-List: No Guts, No Glory (Aviation Collectables)
> > >
> > > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Francis Butler"
> ><francis_butler@msn.com>
> > >
> > >
> > > As long as we are going to show off our collectables.....
> > > For sale - collectors edition
> > > 1st edition book titled "Green Eggs and Ham" by Dr. Seuss
> > > Will draw picture of airplane on cover for you aviation collectors.
> > >
> > > For a few dollars extra, will throw in copy of "One Fish Two Fish Red
> >Fish
> > > Blue Fish" that can be re-titled with a stroke of my Sharpie "One Yak
> >Two
> > > Yak Red Yak Blue Yak".
> > >
> > > And as long as we are wasting space on the internet, how bout a
rehash
> >of
> >a
> > > limerick or two. A few of those were highly entertaining.
> > >
> > > FB
> > > Grey Yak Red Yak
> > > RB-10 (100% complete)
> > > RB-10 (80% complete, no rubber band)
> > > RB-10 (data plate only, no balsa airframe or rubber band)
> > >
> > > I luv this Yak list....
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Regardless of your personal point of view, comments like this seem a bit harsh
for a public forum and offend the female pilots and your fellow RPA members...OOPS,
I mean us fat, ugly bitches.
Elizabeth
Actually it goes..as 2...I got the fat ugly bitch...you want another BEER?
Doc
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| Subject: | Re: Doc's comment |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
Liz,
You're neither fat nor ugly :)
Ernie
On 10/24/05, E R <jogggles@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Regardless of your personal point of view, comments like this seem a bit
> harsh
> for a public forum and offend the female pilots and your fellow RPA
> members...OOPS, I mean us fat, ugly bitches.
>
> Elizabeth
>
>
> Actually it goes..as 2...I got the fat ugly bitch...you want another BEER?
> Doc
>
> ________________________________
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Gang,
Well, it's been a long wait, but here is a preview of the 2005 ARS DVD
that wil be out shortly... Cynthia and her crew have done a fabulous
job...this is truly above and beyond stuff. Enjoy...
http://tinyurl.com/dx6rj
Cheers,
Barry
Barry Hancock
Event Director
All Red Star
(949) 300-5510
www.allredstar.com
"A Unique Aviation Experience"
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| Subject: | Re: ARS DVD Trailer |
Awesome!
From: Barry Hancock <barry@flyredstar.org>
Subject: Yak-List: ARS DVD Trailer
Gang,
Well, it's been a long wait, but here is a preview of the 2005 ARS DVD that
wil be out shortly... Cynthia and her crew have done a fabulous job...this
is truly above and beyond stuff. Enjoy...
http://tinyurl.com/dx6rj
Cheers,
Barry
Barry Hancock
Event Director
All Red Star
(949) 300-5510
www.allredstar.com
"A Unique Aviation Experience"
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| Subject: | No Guts, No Glory (Aviation Collectables) |
Doc has a SISTER?
Personally, I was eye-balling his daughter......
:-)
MGB
-----Original Message-----
From: Francis Butler [mailto:francis_butler@msn.com]
Subject: Re: Yak-List: No Guts, No Glory (Aviation Collectables)
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Francis Butler" <francis_butler@msn.com>
Sorry Doc, I just had to throw in a post today. There are many of us that
just lurk out here on the list and rarely add our two cents. But let's face
it, this list is 25% useful information from people like Richard Goode, Mark
Jefferies, Mark Bitterlich, Doug Sapp, Jill G, Jeff L, Brian Lloyd and a few
others and the rest is nothing more than B.S and is of entertainment value
only. Never boring, always entertaining. And now that we are at the point
of listing our personal libraries, I just couldn't help it. Sorry.
By the way, you can keep your wingman, I know that's a special bond with air
force types. Us Marines are looking for your sisters.
FB
>From: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>Reply-To: yak-list@matronics.com
>To: yak-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Yak-List: No Guts, No Glory (Aviation Collectables)
>Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 13:52:21 -0500
>
>--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>
>Francis,
>You obviously are bored with the list. You need to be introduced to my
>favorite XC wingman, Lt. Richard Gozenya.
>Doc
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Francis Butler <francis_butler@msn.com>
> > To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> > Date: 10/24/2005 1:15:39 PM
> > Subject: Re: Yak-List: No Guts, No Glory (Aviation Collectables)
> >
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Francis Butler"
><francis_butler@msn.com>
> >
> >
> > As long as we are going to show off our collectables.....
> > For sale - collectors edition
> > 1st edition book titled "Green Eggs and Ham" by Dr. Seuss
> > Will draw picture of airplane on cover for you aviation collectors.
> >
> > For a few dollars extra, will throw in copy of "One Fish Two Fish Red
>Fish
> > Blue Fish" that can be re-titled with a stroke of my Sharpie "One Yak
>Two
> > Yak Red Yak Blue Yak".
> >
> > And as long as we are wasting space on the internet, how bout a rehash
>of
>a
> > limerick or two. A few of those were highly entertaining.
> >
> > FB
> > Grey Yak Red Yak
> > RB-10 (100% complete)
> > RB-10 (80% complete, no rubber band)
> > RB-10 (data plate only, no balsa airframe or rubber band)
> >
> > I luv this Yak list....
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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| Subject: | RE: Fuels for M-14P |
that_mail@yahoo.com writes: "I'm seriously considering adding nitrox
injection to my M-14"
In truth I think Nitrous Oxide is great stuff (I'm just not good enough to
use it properly). By introducing it into any combustion engine you will get
a dramatic increase in generated power due to:
1. The cooling effect of the expanding gas in the combustion chamber.
2. The release of oxygen as it is being burnt.
Of the two, NUMBER 2 is the biggest concern. As I am sure you know, maximum
horsepower is achieved at a certain fuel to air RATIO. When running
Nitrous, you have to dramatically increase the amount of fuel you introduce
to the engine at exactly the same time due to the increase in oxygen that
the burning Nitrous Oxide causes. In fact, you really want to introduce the
fuel just a tiny bit earlier than the nitrous.
Thus in a typical system, you have two sets of control solenoids. One for
the nitrous, and one for the fuel that you are going to pump into the engine
as well. I am leaving out several other considerations that also must be
taken care of such as nitrous tank temperature control, and line venting
before use, etc.
The fact is this... if for any reason WHAT-SO-EVER, you run into a problem
with fuel delivery when the nitrous is turned on, your engine will melt.
The mixture goes instantly and very violently lean. The top of the pistons
melt. The engine comes apart. It is not a slow reaction, it is an
explosion.
That said, if you are bent on experimenting with an M14P running nitrous,
yes... of course it can be done. Since you are already running a pressure
carb., the introduction of the nitrous and the additional fuel become
problematical. Even if you pull it off, you are not going to be able to
control engine RPM without a special prop unless you are going straight up.
As a matter of fact, this is where it has been used before on a Pitts
Special. I would suggest that you investigate the new fuel injection system
the Russians are working with, as it would be a much more simple matter to
reprogram the gate opening time width(s) on a port injected electronic fuel
control system, than it would be trying to build a spray system to mount
in-between the existing carb. and the throat of the induction system, that
then feeds into a BLOWER for Heavens Sake !!!!
Another little tidbit... if you for any reason develop a backfire when on
nitrous.... it's another case of "Good bye Engine" and everyone within miles
saying: DANG, I WISH I HAD A CAMERA WHEN IT DID THAT!!!!
You are walking in an area that few have ever contemplated. Good luck.
Hope you have one TON of cash... you are going to need it. Forget the
ejection seat... start thinking of some steel plate between you and the
engine. Also be aware that most folks that run Nitrous Oxide pull every
single spark plug after every single application. They "tune" the fuel
delivery based on density altitude, and what the plugs look like after each
run. If I wanted more power from an M-14, I would investigate one or both of
two different methods.
1. I would redesign the blower, or pay to have it done, and then increase
boost a few more inches.
2. I would have pistons custom made and increase the compression ratio by
one full point.
With a better oil cooler, I suspect the M-14 can handle 475 horsepower all
day long on 100LL fuel. Especially of you come back just a tiny bit on the
RPM. In any case, if money was not an issue, that is the approach I would
take..... because you don't get to make ANY mistakes when running nitrous.
NONE. ZERO. ZIP. NADA.
I hope I have talked you out of this. If not, then good luck and may God be
with you.
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: user [mailto:that_mail@yahoo.com]
Subject: Fuels for M-14P
Mark:
I read Yak-list discussions on matronics server and a few days ago noticed
this expression :
"having worked on engines running nitrous oxide in drag
car motors... which is why ... by the bye... I will never use that
junk in
any engine I run."
If I had any experience with nitrox I wouldn't be writing this message. But
your
remark is the first emphatically negative opinion I stumbled upon (may be I
haven't
researched the topic thoroughly yet).
Anyway, I'm seriously considering adding nitrox injection to my M-14. I'm
aware that
I will need a stronger gearbox and probably a different prop. After
consulting with
the people who designed it I can reasonably expect that the cylinders should
hold.
My concern is a long-term effect on pistons, rings, valves etc. And for that
I would
really appreciate your opinion - do you think I should buy ejection seat
first ?
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| Subject: | Gear handle in the neutral position |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Shinden33" <shinden33@earthlink.net>
Ladies & Gents,
Excuse my newness to the airplane, but what specifically happens with both
gear handles in the neutral position?
Scott
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