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1. 12:27 AM - Re: Val's CJ6 purchase (Cliff Umscheid)
2. 12:29 AM - cowls (Mark Jefferies)
3. 02:06 AM - Re: Val's CJ6 purchase (YakL1@AOL.COM)
4. 05:33 AM - (Mark Jefferies)
5. 07:00 AM - Re: hold fire (Ben Marsh)
6. 07:16 AM - air start anomolies (Jon Boede)
7. 07:32 AM - Re: factory spare parts deposit (AEROSTAR)
8. 08:14 AM - Re: air start anomolies (Doug Sapp)
9. 09:43 AM - Re: Val's CJ6 purchase (Walter Lannon)
10. 09:49 AM - MI-2 Helicopter (Richard Goode)
11. 10:08 AM - Re: Val's CJ6 purchase (Walter Lannon)
12. 11:04 AM - Re: Val's CJ6 purchase (Roger Kemp)
13. 01:00 PM - Re: Val's CJ6 purchase (Buzzard Aviation)
14. 01:15 PM - Core M14P (Doug Sapp)
15. 01:22 PM - Hertz (Brian Lloyd)
16. 01:35 PM - CJ-6 Purchase (Timothy Gagnon)
17. 01:56 PM - Re: Hertz (Roger Kemp)
18. 02:23 PM - Re: cowls (Bitterlich GS11 Mark G)
19. 04:21 PM - front cocpit brake handle (Steve Wieland)
20. 06:36 PM - Re: front cocpit brake handle (A. Dennis Savarese)
21. 06:45 PM - Re: factory spare parts deposit (Steve Dalton)
22. 08:23 PM - Re: CJ-6 Purchase (Roger Kemp)
23. 08:23 PM - Re: front cocpit brake handle (Roger Kemp)
24. 09:14 PM - Re: front cocpit brake handle (ggg6@att.net)
25. 09:42 PM - By-laws (cjpilot710@aol.com)
26. 10:06 PM - exhaust system. (cjpilot710@aol.com)
27. 10:10 PM - Re: exhaust system. (ggg6@att.net)
28. 10:16 PM - Re: factory spare parts deposit factory spare parts deposit (aaron marshall)
29. 10:17 PM - Re: exhaust system. (cjpilot710@aol.com)
30. 10:26 PM - Re: exhaust system. (ggg6@att.net)
31. 10:40 PM - New CJ6.com web site launched! (Barry Hancock)
32. 10:44 PM - Re: cowls (Dee L. Conger)
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| Subject: | Re: Val's CJ6 purchase |
Val,
Don't listen to that Pappy Goolsby and his slavish devotion to the CJ6,
It took him two airlines to get him to a Captain's seat and now he's
passing out biased information to the Newbies. Besides, you must avoid
that FATAL FEMININE FLAW of making decisions on the basis of emotion
instead of logic and fact. By purchasing a YAK 50 instead of a CJ you
show this male dominated group that you too have the balls to handle a
real airplane without a training wheel up front. Nothing else will
demonstrate your male equivalency of courage and self confidence.
Remember, my dear, YOU are the only flag bearer we have here representing
that once noble Delta Airlines -(once thought to be immune to
bankruptgy). We'll all be watching to see which way you go. Let me say
clearly , you will never get the thrill in a CJ that you will in a YAK
50 when you go balls to the wall at 200kts and slap that stick hard to
the left or right. (use two hands my dear).
Don't give me an old CJ 6
Bound together with rags and sticks
She'll whine and she'll wheeze
And head straight for the trees
Don't give me an old CJ 6
Don't give me a trainer by Chinks
It's flown by Queers and Kinks
Just give me a neat YAK 50
I'll show you some flying that's Nifty
One thing more, Val, If you've been riding around with your feet on the
floor for the last 20 or so years, put your feet in the stirrups and
introduce them to the ranks of the employed--use your rudders, the YAK 50
will make you look good or it will reveal your weakness. Also, the YAK 50
is a single place airplane, your first flight will be your solo flight.
You will not have the comfort of flying an aircraft as P.I.C. which you
once flew as Copilot. YOU get to make all the decisions the FIRST time
out
and you don't land this airplane on the radio altimeter. Can you hack
it?
"lder than dirt"?--Maybe, but MY license takes up two pages and is NOT
limited to Mr Boeing's products , Somebody had to teach Pappy's
generation about the real world and make a place for HIM in ours.
Warm Regards and Welcome aboard VAL.
CLIFF EAL 1950--1987
On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 15:54:20 EDT cjpilot710@aol.com writes:
In a message dated 10/25/2005 12:56:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
netmaster15@juno.com writes:
Val,
Don't listen to that EAL guy (gee look at his retirement date! He's
older than dirt). :-) The Yak-50 is good but there is this issue (or
rumor) its only good for 500 hours. Hmmmm? Like to clear that one up.
Beside being an retired airline guy, - - you are a retired DAL guy. Now
not to put disparity on you back ground, but you do need some class here.
The CJ is better. You will always hear ALL Yak pilots hollering "Give
me some" when on the wing of a CJ-6. Most of the time you don't know if
they are begging for fuel or the reduction on the manifold. 9 out of 10
times they are the first to holler about their low fuel light coming on.
They will be the first ones to holler "Joker" and (with even higher
pitch) "Bingo!" :)
"Oh! I don't to fly a Yak fifty
With one seat she may look really nifty
But with fast rolls and snap
She'll s- -t in your lap.
No I don't want to in a Yak fifty."
"But give me a CJ-6 A
An send me into the fray.
With guns and panache
I will kick any ass
Yes! give me a CJ-6 A"
You stick with the CJ-6 decision. She do all the acro you will need to
clean you pipes AND you will have a seat for those gracious ladies to
give a ride to. Plus with the expert counseling from the like "Linedog"
and other RPA folk you'll be in style.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
PAA 1966-1986 UAL 1986-2000
(Sorry guys its cold outside and I needed something to do.) :)
Val,
Though you will hear dissenting voices, I submit that you can save a few
intermediate steps and some expense by going directly to the aircraft
which will give you the most total fulfillment and satisfaction. Pass up
the CJ and go directly to a higher plane (pun intended). Buy yourself a
nifty YAK 50 and experience something other than kissing your sister. The
CJs and YAK 52s can't wipe the sweat off the balls of a YAK 50 and best
yet, there's no room for a copilot so you won't have to put up with that
cheap chatter over on the right. Finally, you'll always be the first one
out of the cockpit so you'll never have to look around the side of that
fat headed copilot as you greet the throngs of admiring hero worshippers
who crave to shake your hand upon arrival and congratulate you for that
superb landing. As the girl with the biggies said "Why blend in when you
can stand out?"
Enjoy retirement, show the world what you're REALLY worth, you can
make more money in a year or two in this market than you made in your
entire career hauling those 200 "xperts" around behind you.
Submitted with humility, conviction and grattitude to all the girls
who loved me (and compassion for all those guys junior to me who
couldn't get my line of flying ).
CLIFF UMSCHEID EAL 1950 to 1987
On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 09:31:21 -0600 "Valkyre1" <Valkyre1@comcast.net>
writes:
Hey out there. I am a recently retired Delta pilot and am strongly
considering purchasing a 1974 Nanchang CJ6. I have flown with a fellow
DAL pilot in his and it is just what I'm looking for.
My background is civilian with several thousand CFI hours in Cessnas
and a brief ownership stint in a T-34. That, however was way back in my
early twenties.
Essentially, the last thing that I've flown in the past 29 years
were airliners and finally left seat on a Boeing 767, so I'm starting
over assuming I know basically nothing again about this type of aircraft.
Any assistance that those of you YAK pilots out there can give me
regarding what to look for in purchasing one that I can enjoy for the
second half of my aviation lifetime would be much appreciated.
The aircraft appears to be in good shape, but I am primarily
concerned about the possibility of corrosion and metal fatigue. I do know
that anodized steel is a definite plus in this machine.
I also trust the soon to be previous owner. The aircraft history
includes 3000-4000hrs put on in China by military training. Of course
there is no guarantee on what was done to it then, but the current owner
has no reason to suspect any overspeeds, over stresses etc.
It needs an annual but only has about 86 hours on the engine since
import.
I have been perusing your email chat for the last few days and you
folks have some great info going on....besides that it's just plain fun.
Again, any suggestions or comments regarding what to look for when
purchasing one will be much appreciated. Has anyone ever actually done a
dye check on the airframe of a Nanchang, or is this ridiculously
expensive?
What are the systems and flight characteristic problems inherent to
this type aircraft?
Many Thanks Guys, (& Ladies)
Fraternally, - Val
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Talking of cowls I have a factory new YAK 50 top cowl - offers pls
Also a pair of YAK 50 cowls, not new but not crashed !! - offers
Cheers, mj
From:
"Craig Payne" <cpayne@joimail.com>
Subject:
CJ Cowl wanted
I'm looking for a used CJ cowl, damaged or beat-up OK as long as it is
rebuildable.
I need a test mule for some of my mods, rather than cut up the one I
have
any more. Replay off-list please.
Craig Payne
cpayne@joimail.com
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| Subject: | Re: Val's CJ6 purchase |
Those Chinks may be somewhat behind us
it's too bad that they know where to find us
They've bought all our notes
and will screw with our votes
How long till they simply unwind us?
But they sure built a lovely machine
that's simple and rugged and clean
we've truely been blessed
--they could be repossesed
as our cash gets less and less green
The Pols sold us right down the river
the thought of it should make you quiver
you might as well fly
because, bye and bye
you'll be eating some soy-flavored liver
Go Ahead and buy the CJ. It's a great ariplane and will undoubtedly last
longer than a few hundred hours.
John "Tank" Z
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Maybe of use to someone.
Best regards
Mark
...sollten, von der aus Anla=C3=9F des Jaktreffens in Roitzschjora 2005 (vgl.
Bericht in der aktuellen FLiEGERREVUE) hergestellten Jak-Magazin noch welche
ben=C3=B6tigt werden, bitte bei mir melden. Der Normalpreis ist 15 =E2=82=AC pro
Heft -
f=C3=BCr "Gro=C3=9Fabnehmer" gibt es nat=C3=BCrlich auch Rabatte.
Info und Cover zum Heft siehe Anlagen.
Detlef Billig
FLiEGERREVUE
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While I cannot speak to your experience doing business with Mr. Jackson,
I've come to find him a good and honest fellow to work with. I've not done
business with him, thought several of my friends have do so without
difficulty. The fact is Matt Jackson is a talented man, in the shop and in
the cockpit. He is a remarkable story teller and ought to write an
autobiography one day.
Still, it's funny how the topic of breaking M-14Ps with nitrous oxide spun
into a discussion of Matt Jackson, pro and contra.
All the best.
BHM
_____
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Aviatre@aol.com
Subject: Yak-List: hold fire
I would trust Matt Jackson about as far as I could throw him. A few years
back, after the nose gear mechanism failed on my C-310, He did an insurance
repair job. Short version--- took him 13 months and I got overhauled props
instead of the new ones that was paid for by the insurance CO.
Mat Jackson (unlimited Racer) was talking of doing just that at Reno this
year.
I have offered him my AI-14 to use as a mock-up for his project. It will be
a single seat, carbon fiber aircraft.
Only the future will know if it actually happens!
Fly Safe
John Fischer
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| Subject: | air start anomolies |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net>
My airplane is becoming less and less interested in starting without a
whole lot of voodoo.
When I press the start button it makes the usual THOK! noise but I get no
hissing noise. If I press it a bunch of times in a row I get THOK! THOK!
THOK! and then the prop might move a bit and it will hiss. A few more
THOK! THOK! THOK! presses on the starter and once it starts hissing and
moving it will keep hissing and moving.
1. The colder it gets the worse the problem gets.
2. If I fly somewhere, just have lunch and try to start it, it'll start
beautifully -- which is to say that slightly warm, no problems.
3. If I remove the air line from the bottom of the air starting
distributor and I press the starter, I get a gooood blast of air out of it.
Jon
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| Subject: | Re: factory spare parts deposit |
Doc ,
EMERY AIR will be part of the parts prices only with a commission for sales & storage
. They also assure parts for other aircraft & programs , doing a good job
so far . We hope they can help the Yak community as well .
The ways and the prices for YAK 52 spare parts are depending on various maters
.
In time , we have delivered parts in Russia , together or separate of the aircraft
. They had in inventory these parts in various places, using
them for their own needs and / or selling parts in various countries , in various
ways ( including US ) . In general ,
the sales have been done at very low prices ( even much cheaper than they have
been purchased ) , exact like the way they
proceed with the aircraft .Many deposits probably are almost empty now , being
harder and harder in time to find parts or cheap parts in Russia or other
CIS countries , from the older deposits .
Another way used was to build parts by the aircraft owners . Some of you are
doing that , even because the parts have been
not available or the prices were to high . In time , these gentlemen became
suppliers for various parts .
The last way was to order parts from us ( direct or using our dealers ) or
to some Russian producers of various equipment used
by the aircraft ( not easy to do that , even for us )
In other idea , is clear that the prices of the parts produced now are different
compared with the parts provided by the older deposits , many of them not updating
their prices in time . Many of them were concerned only to make some money
sometime , not to keep in life a system to assure a continuos way to supply
spare parts .
We try to help , if we can . Maybe will be easier for you having also this alternative
on disposal . Probably some prices will be higher as is expected or compared
with other sources but I hope not so much to make you to sell your YAK
52 aircraft because that .
Sincerely ,
Cristian
----- Original Message -----
From: Roger Kemp
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 8:38 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: factory spare parts deposit
Cristian,
Thank you but I will continue to get my parts from the current suppliers. Anytime
Raytheon gets involved, the cost goes up by 100%. I can't speak for the rest
of the YAK community, but the reason I got into YAK ownership was because
it is economical to operate and a ton of fun to fly. When the cost of operation
starts to exceed a certain point as it will with Raytheon supplying spare parts
in the US, I will build that RV 8 I have talked about and leave the YAK behind.
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: AEROSTAR
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Cc: selliot@emeryair.net
Sent: 10/26/2005 4:26:47 AM
Subject: Yak-List: factory spare parts deposit
Gentlemen ,
We inform you that our company will open in US a deposit for spare parts
, parts for the YAK 52 aircraft located in US . We have signed a contract with
the company EMERY AIR Inc ( Rockford - Illinois ) , in order AEROSTAR will deliver
spare parts to them for all models YAK 52 aircraft . The parts are to be
storage and sold from deposit by EMERY AIR .
EMERY AIR is an authorized Raytheon Servicing Center , being also certified
by FAA as repair station . The company has a long experience in the YAK 52
aircraft domain , they making regularly annual inspections and repairs for
all YAK 52 aircraft models .
The deposit location is to EMERY AIR Inc. ( www.emeryair.net ) , 46 Airport Drive , Rockford , Illinois 61109 . You can contact direct , for information and orders :
Mr. Scott Elliot ( Purchasing Logistic Manager )
selliot@emeryair.net
1 815 987 4100 ( Tel )
1 800 235 4100 ( Tel )
1 815 985 2273 ( cell )
We just delivered these days the first big box with spare parts in US . The
deposit will be operational starting with November , next month . We intend
to deliver at around every two months regularly packages with the ordered parts
. We are in connection with EMERY , to coordinate the deliveries for you .
We can also use the parts inventory we have at our headquarters , to honor the
orders . In case the parts are not in inventory at a moment , we will manufacture
them for you . The parts from the inventory will be delivered just in time
.
If is necessary , you can also send the orders direct to our company , being
possible to deliver parts direct from our headquarters . An usual delivery
time from us to you is 3 - 6 days , using UPS / FedEx / DHL .
We hope this way to help you and the US servicing centers to find easier
the necessary spare parts for the YAK 52 ( all models ) , making easier the aircraft
operation .
Sincerely ,
Cristian Dragoi
AEROSTAR - ROMANIA
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| Subject: | air start anomolies |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
John,
This set of symptoms usually mean one of two things. First and most likely
your QDF1 start valve is checking out, or second your battery is just a bit
low, say 20 volts instead of a full 24. The start valve is almost as cranky
about having the correct voltage as it is about demanding a clean air
supply. At this time I'm out of QDF1 valves but hang in there for about
another 30 days and I'll have some in stock. For now, first make sure you
have a good fresh 24 volt battery, next remove the line OUT of the valve,
next put about 10cc (or so) of 50/50 mix of alcohol and Marvel Mystery Tool
Oil in the line that goes TO the valve. Tie a shop rag over the OUT fitting
to keep the oil spray off the engine. Then with a quick punch on the start
button (don't hold it down) cycle the valve ONCE then let it set for about
30 minutes then cycle it with quick jabs on the button continue until
nothing comes out of it. Repeat the process if you think it's necessary.
All this is an effort to clean out any gunk in the valve and offer a bit of
lube. However if the electrical solenoid in the valve is corroded (which
will cause resistance), this will not solve your problem, but will eliminate
one of the questions. I had a similar situation where my CJ5 (same valve)
would start on 16 ATMS when I first got it, 60 days later it took 30 then
45ATMS, then it would just "THOK" (as you say) and nothing I could do would
initiate a start EXCEPT hooking up my shop power supply to the aircraft,
which is 120 volts IN and 24 volts at 20 amps OUT, then it would start every
time. I changed out the start valve and it started on 16 ATMS again.
Good luck, hope this helps.
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jon Boede
Subject: Yak-List: air start anomolies
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net>
My airplane is becoming less and less interested in starting without a
whole lot of voodoo.
When I press the start button it makes the usual THOK! noise but I get no
hissing noise. If I press it a bunch of times in a row I get THOK! THOK!
THOK! and then the prop might move a bit and it will hiss. A few more
THOK! THOK! THOK! presses on the starter and once it starts hissing and
moving it will keep hissing and moving.
1. The colder it gets the worse the problem gets.
2. If I fly somewhere, just have lunch and try to start it, it'll start
beautifully -- which is to say that slightly warm, no problems.
3. If I remove the air line from the bottom of the air starting
distributor and I press the starter, I get a gooood blast of air out of it.
Jon
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| Subject: | Re: Val's CJ6 purchase |
----- Original Message -----
From: Cliff Umscheid
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Cc: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 12:25 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Val's CJ6 purchase
Val,
Don't listen to that Pappy Goolsby and his slavish devotion to the CJ6, It took
him two airlines to get him to a Captain's seat and now he's passing out biased
information to the Newbies. Besides, you must avoid that FATAL FEMININE
FLAW of making decisions on the basis of emotion instead of logic and fact. By
purchasing a YAK 50 instead of a CJ you show this male dominated group that
you too have the balls to handle a real airplane without a training wheel up
front. Nothing else will demonstrate your male equivalency of courage and self
confidence. Remember, my dear, YOU are the only flag bearer we have here representing
that once noble Delta Airlines -(once thought to be immune to bankruptgy).
We'll all be watching to see which way you go. Let me say clearly , you
will never get the thrill in a CJ that you will in a YAK 50 when you go balls
to the wall at 200kts and slap that stick hard to the left or right. (use
two hands my dear).
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We helped a guy in California with various aspects of his MI-2, which he has had
for a number of years. He is called Thierry Thys and his e-mail address is
tnthys@aol.com
Richard Goode
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Herefordshire
HR5 3LW
United Kingdom
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Mob: +44 (0) 7768 610389
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
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MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.
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| Subject: | Re: Val's CJ6 purchase |
Cliff;
Perhaps you have information that I have missed since you refer to "Val" (somewhat
condescendingly) as a lady. That may or may not be the case as the abbreviation
"Val" may be for a name that is not gender specific.
I find it difficult to pass up this reply since you have given some very direct
advice to purchase a "MAN's" aeroplane as compared to the less than masculine
training wheel types represented by the CJ and Yak 52.
If that is important to you why don't you recommend the only aircraft that fits
that standard rather than a toy like the Yak 50 ? That is, of course, the T6,
SNJ or Harvard!
Cheers;
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: Cliff Umscheid
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Cc: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 12:25 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Val's CJ6 purchase
Val,
Don't listen to that Pappy Goolsby and his slavish devotion to the CJ6, It took
him two airlines to get him to a Captain's seat and now he's passing out biased
information to the Newbies. Besides, you must avoid that FATAL FEMININE
FLAW of making decisions on the basis of emotion instead of logic and fact. By
purchasing a YAK 50 instead of a CJ you show this male dominated group that
you too have the balls to handle a real airplane without a training wheel up
front. Nothing else will demonstrate your male equivalency of courage and self
confidence. Remember, my dear, YOU are the only flag bearer we have here representing
that once noble Delta Airlines -(once thought to be immune to bankruptgy).
We'll all be watching to see which way you go. Let me say clearly , you
will never get the thrill in a CJ that you will in a YAK 50 when you go balls
to the wall at 200kts and slap that stick hard to the left or right. (use
two hands my dear).
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| Subject: | Re: Val's CJ6 purchase |
Well Walt, now you've done gone and done it! Val's a guy so the she really is a
he who's gotten more than he ever bargained for from this list by threatening
to buy one of those bent wing toys! But since you jumped on the man's toys thing
here with the T-6, SNJ, or Harvard topic, you forgot one thing. They are STILL
TRAINERS for the AF types (and I'm including you NAVEL aviators and JARINE
barnacle scrapers in this loose association of military pilots too). A real
MAN"S TOY is a P-51, YAK-9, F4U, F-86, and the VIPER! Yeah I know, there are
other single seat single engine! fighters out there! But, since I wrote this drivel,
those are my favorites. Have never flown the first 4 but LOVE the HELL
out of the last one! The other 4 just look really cool sitting on the ramp.
And oh buy the way, The IAK-52 is a damned fun TRAINER to own too! The other great
thing about it is you can take that ROTC cadet that can't make up his mind
if he want s to fly fighters or not kid up and introduce him to a whole new
form of aviation .Flying with an unusual attitude vs straight and level spam canning!
You can't do that with that niffy 50 of yours. Now if you want a tail
dragging family model, get a TW or a TD. But what ever you do don't leave that
future ACE standing on the ramp looking up at you have all the fun!
So VAl, if you are still lurking out there wondering just what you poked your nose
into here with this list, buy a Red Star aircraft and join in the fun! They
really are a blast for that mid-life crisis and the wives really appreciate
the fact that your mid-life crisis was over a cool airplane and not the bimbet
sitting behind the Hertz desk!
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: Walter Lannon
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Val's CJ6 purchase
Cliff;
Perhaps you have information that I have missed since you refer to "Val" (somewhat
condescendingly) as a lady. That may or may not be the case as the abbreviation
"Val" may be for a name that is not gender specific.
I find it difficult to pass up this reply since you have given some very direct
advice to purchase a "MAN's" aeroplane as compared to the less than masculine
training wheel types represented by the CJ and Yak 52.
If that is important to you why don't you recommend the only aircraft that fits
that standard rather than a toy like the Yak 50 ? That is, of course, the T6,
SNJ or Harvard!
Cheers;
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: Cliff Umscheid
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Val's CJ6 purchase
Val,
Don't listen to that Pappy Goolsby and his slavish devotion to the CJ6, It took
him two airlines to get him to a Captain's seat and now he's passing out biased
information to the Newbies. Besides, you must avoid that FATAL FEMININE FLAW
of making decisions on the basis of emotion instead of logic and fact. By
purchasing a YAK 50 instead of a CJ you show this male dominated group that you
too have the balls to handle a real airplane without a training wheel up front.
Nothing else will demonstrate your male equivalency of courage and self
confidence. Remember, my dear, YOU are the only flag bearer we have here representing
that once noble Delta Airlines -(once thought to be immune to bankruptgy).
We'll all be watching to see which way you go. Let me say clearly , you
will never get the thrill in a CJ that you will in a YAK 50 when you go balls
to the wall at 200kts and slap that stick hard to the left or right. (use two
hands my dear).
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| Subject: | Re: Val's CJ6 purchase |
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Listers and lurkers,
Who out there has a core M14P? Prop strike or hyd lock is OK. Please
contact me off list.
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Ah yes, the girl at the counter.
Just remember, it Hertz SOOO good!
--
Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
brian-yak@lloyd.com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Timothy Gagnon <NiftyYak50@msn.com>
Get the airplane that best suits your mission. You already know that though.
All the airplanes have their strong points and in a perfect world, we would
own one of each plus a few others. As a Yak-50 guy, I would recommend one in
every hangar, but, I miss out a few things not having a second seat. But, I
also avoid some things not having a second seat too!
Whatever you end up with, you will be pleased and you will be welcomed just
the same.
Tim
N359FG
Yak-50
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
A price I can hardly afford to pay!
An no the Hertz almost got me in trouble on fine day returning a rental car
from one of those TDY's! Jinked and went home alone!
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 10/27/2005 3:22:10 PM
> Subject: Yak-List: Hertz
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
>
> Ah yes, the girl at the counter.
>
> Just remember, it Hertz SOOO good!
>
> --
> Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
> brian-yak@lloyd.com Folsom, CA 95630
> +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
>
> I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
> - Antoine de Saint-Exupery
>
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Speaking of cowls, possibly you could tell me (us ... everyone ... whatever)
the difference between a YAK-50 cowl and a YAK-52 cowl ?? Personally, I
have never been able to see any difference at all.
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Jefferies [mailto:mark.j@yakuk.com]
Subject: Yak-List: cowls
Talking of cowls I have a factory new YAK 50 top cowl - offers pls
Also a pair of YAK 50 cowls, not new but not crashed !! - offers
Cheers, mj
From:
"Craig Payne" < cpayne@joimail.com <mailto:cpayne@joimail.com> >
Subject:
CJ Cowl wanted
I'm looking for a used CJ cowl, damaged or beat-up OK as long as it is
rebuildable.
I need a test mule for some of my mods, rather than cut up the one I
have
any more. Replay off-list please.
Craig Payne
cpayne@joimail.com <mailto:cpayne@joimail.com>
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| Subject: | front cocpit brake handle |
I've got a'96 Yak-52. The f/c/p brake is not as effective as the rear. I suspect
the cable needs to be tightened. Any help on how to do it & what pit falls might
occur[ I.e. too tight dragging brake etc]
Wheels N42SW
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| Subject: | Re: front cocpit brake handle |
Adjust the cable at the brake handle much the same way as you would adjust a bicycle
brake cable. Too tight and it will drag the brakes. You'll feel that
problem very quickly.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Wieland
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 6:20 PM
Subject: Yak-List: front cocpit brake handle
I've got a'96 Yak-52. The f/c/p brake is not as effective as the rear. I suspect
the cable needs to be tightened. Any help on how to do it & what pit falls
might occur[ I.e. too tight dragging brake etc]
Wheels N42SW
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| Subject: | Re: factory spare parts deposit |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Steve Dalton" <sdalton@goeaston.net>
Time: 05:02:31 PM PST US
From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: factory spare parts deposit
Excellent point Doc.
Cristian,
Thank you but I will continue to get my parts from the current
suppliers. Anytime
Raytheon gets involved, the cost goes up by 100%. I can't speak for the
rest
of the YAK community, but the reason I got into YAK ownership was
because
it is economical to operate and a ton of fun to fly. When the cost of
operation
starts to exceed a certain point as it will with Raytheon supplying
spare parts
in the US, I will build that RV 8 I have talked about and leave the YAK
behind.
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: AEROSTAR
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Cc: selliot@emeryair.net
Sent: 10/26/2005 4:26:47 AM
Subject: Yak-List: factory spare parts deposit
Gentlemen ,
We inform you that our company will open in US a deposit for spare
parts
contract with
the company EMERY AIR Inc ( Rockford - Illinois ) , in order AEROSTAR
will deliver
spare parts to them for all models YAK 52 aircraft . The parts are to be
storage and sold from deposit by EMERY AIR .
EMERY AIR is an authorized Raytheon Servicing Center , being
also certified
by FAA as repair station . The company has a long experience in the YAK
52
aircraft domain , they making regularly annual inspections and repairs
for
all YAK 52 aircraft models .
The deposit location is to EMERY AIR Inc. ( www.emeryair.net ) ,
46 Airport Drive , Rockford , Illinois 61109 . You can contact direct ,
for information and orders :
Mr. Scott Elliot ( Purchasing Logistic Manager )
selliot@emeryair.net
1 815 987 4100 ( Tel )
1 800 235 4100 ( Tel )
1 815 985 2273 ( cell )
We just delivered these days the first big box with spare parts in
US . The
deposit will be operational starting with November , next month . We
intend
to deliver at around every two months regularly packages with the
ordered parts
. We are in connection with EMERY , to coordinate the deliveries for you
.
We can also use the parts inventory we have at our headquarters , to
honor the
orders . In case the parts are not in inventory at a moment , we will
manufacture
them for you . The parts from the inventory will be delivered just in
time
.
If is necessary , you can also send the orders direct to our
company , being
possible to deliver parts direct from our headquarters . An usual
delivery
time from us to you is 3 - 6 days , using UPS / FedEx / DHL .
We hope this way to help you and the US servicing centers to find
easier
the necessary spare parts for the YAK 52 ( all models ) , making easier
the aircraft
operation .
Sincerely ,
Cristian Dragoi
AEROSTAR - ROMANIA
Doc & Dennis,
With all due respect (and I consider you both good friends), you may
want to consider that what Cristian is offering (at least that's my take
on it) is the availability of ANY part you may need for a -52. I know
many great people offer SOME parts for the -52 and I wish them nothing
but the best. But, when the manufacturer of the plane offers ANY NEW
part you may need (like a NEW rudder, NEW wing, NEW air bottles, NEW
ailerons, NEW landing gear, etc., etc., etc.), I would not be so fast to
blow him off.
If Dennis, George Coy or Doug Sapp, or whomever has a part I need, for a
lower price, I will buy it from them. But, with Aerostar getting in the
NEW parts business, we "may" have many hard to get NEW parts available
to us. How could that be a bad thing?
Also, you may be right, but the 100% cost increase you mention has not
yet been proven...just speculation. And, maybe the cost is worth it for
a NEW landing gear strut, NEW tail feathers, etc.
Finally, I have known Cristian for almost five years and I've found him
to be a fair, honest, and good guy. Aerostar has had growing pains
learning how capitalism works, but they continue to work toward
improvement. I will at least give them a call, and a chance, if I need
a hard to find/get part.
I see nothing but GOOD with the manufacturer of our planes offering to
make NEW parts easily available. Try buying NEW parts for a T-6, T-34,
or whatever (from the original factory!).
Again, I consider you both friends and don't mean to slam you, but
consider the good aspects of having so many NEW (from the factory) parts
available.
Cheers,
Steve Dalton
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Sierra Hotel! Get an eastern bloc aircraft CJ or YAK. With either you will
have a blast in this fraternity!
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: Timothy Gagnon <NiftyYak50@msn.com>
> To: <Yak-List@matronics.com>
> Date: 10/27/2005 3:35:33 PM
> Subject: Yak-List: CJ-6 Purchase
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Timothy Gagnon <NiftyYak50@msn.com>
>
> Get the airplane that best suits your mission. You already know that
though.
> All the airplanes have their strong points and in a perfect world, we
would
> own one of each plus a few others. As a Yak-50 guy, I would recommend one
in
> every hangar, but, I miss out a few things not having a second seat. But,
I
> also avoid some things not having a second seat too!
>
> Whatever you end up with, you will be pleased and you will be welcomed
just
> the same.
>
> Tim
> N359FG
> Yak-50
>
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>
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| Subject: | front cocpit brake handle |
Dennis, you up tonight? This is up your alley.
Adjusting the cable is like tightening a bicycle cable. Works the same. Tighten
it until you feel adquate resistance on the lever then go do a taxi test. Have
the brakes set to tight will result in there heating up quicker and fading
on you. Needless to say, having them to tight can also result in increased wear.
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Wieland
Subject: Yak-List: front cocpit brake handle
I've got a'96 Yak-52. The f/c/p brake is not as effective as the rear. I suspect
the cable needs to be tightened. Any help on how to do it & what pit falls might
occur[ I.e. too tight = dragging brake etc]
Wheels N42SW
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| Subject: | Re: front cocpit brake handle |
Hi Steve... Gary in Las Vegas here... To add a bit more to Dennis's, and Roger's
suggestions, from personal expirence, My front brake in my CJ became less and
less effective, and on close inspection of the brake cable from the front brake
handle, I found that the cable was breaking and coming unraveled inside of
the outer housing. Just a tip, one more thing to keep in mind and inspect....Happy
Braking....Gary
-------------- Original message from "Steve Wieland" <wheelstoo@msn.com>: --------------
I've got a'96 Yak-52. The f/c/p brake is not as effective as the rear. I suspect
the cable needs to be tightened. Any help on how to do it & what pit falls might
occur[ I.e. too tight = dragging brake etc]
Wheels N42SW
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Hi Steve... Gary in Las Vegas here... To add a bit more to Dennis's, and Roger's
suggestions, from personal expirence, My front brake in my CJbecame less and
less effective, and on close inspection of the brake cable from the front brake
handle, I found that the cable was breaking and coming unraveled inside of
the outer housing. Just a tip, one more thing to keep in mind and inspect....Happy
Braking....Gary
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I've got a'96 Yak-52. The f/c/p brake is not as effective as the rear. I suspect
the cable needs to be tightened. Any help on how to do it what pit falls might
occur[ I.e. too tight =dragging brake etc]
Wheels N42SW
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Troops,
About now all up to date members will be getting the notice about the new
by-laws.
This my personal pitch. The board spent a great deal of time fussing over
this thing. Some of us playing at knowing constitution law, of course not
knowing pittle. These propose by-laws are not the caliber written by our
forefather (took them 11 years) put we put in good faith effort.
As with anything agreed on by a number of men, these are not as perfect as I
- repeat I - would have it, but with things like this one must compromise.
But I think these by-laws are good.
Drew has set up very good safe and fair system for voting. I urged each of
you to spend a few minutes reading though the proposed by-laws. And than
vote your convection.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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As some of you remember I was testing some new ways to seal the exhaust
sections.
I had rapped the section with muffler patch tape. This tape is soaked in a
liquid before it is wrapped and allowed to dry 24 hours. On top of this I
put the steel bands and clamps.
Well this system does not last even 10 hours. It was very good for a short
while but the patch material burned out leaving enormous leaks.
I found some stainless steel tape. It can be cut with good scissors. For a
test, I put a torch to it until it was glowing cherry red hot and twisted it
with pliers to see if it would tear. It did not. I have now wrapped the
joints with this tape, and put the normal clamps and bands on top.
In a :25 minute test flight I notice a LOT LESS smoke in my cockpit when I
turned on my smoke system. Even when pulling G's at high alfa, there was
considerably less than before.
Tomorrow I head to Camden (CDN), SC for an airshow, needless to say I'll
checking it close.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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| Subject: | Re: exhaust system. |
Pappy,, how many thousands thick in the tape??? Gary
-------------- Original message from cjpilot710@aol.com: --------------
As some of you remember I was testing some new ways to seal the exhaust sections.
I had rapped the section with muffler patch tape. This tape is soaked in a liquid
before it is wrapped and allowed to dry 24 hours. On top of this I put the
steel bands and clamps.
Well this system does not last even 10 hours. It was very good for a short while
but the patch material burned out leaving enormous leaks.
I found some stainless steel tape. It can be cut with good scissors. For a test,
I put a torch to it until it was glowing cherry red hot and twisted it with
pliers to see if it would tear. It did not. I have now wrapped the joints
with this tape, and put the normal clamps and bands on top.
In a :25 minute test flight I notice a LOT LESS smoke in my cockpit when I turned
on my smoke system. Even when pulling G's at high alfa, there was considerably
less than before.
Tomorrow I head to Camden (CDN), SC for an airshow, needless to say I'll checking
it close.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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Pappy,, how many thousands thick in the tape??? Gary
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As some of you remember I was testing some new ways to seal the exhaust sections.
I had rapped the section with muffler patch tape. This tapeis soaked in a liquid
before it is wrapped and allowed to dry 24 hours. On top of this I put the steel
bands and clamps.
Well this system does not last even 10 hours. It was very good for a short while
but the patch material burned out leaving enormous leaks.
I found some stainless steel tape. It can be cut with good scissors. For a test,
I put atorch to ituntil it was glowing cherry red hot and twisted it with pliers
to see if it would tear. It did not. I have now wrapped the joints with this
tape, and put the normal clamps and bands on top.
In a :25 minute test flight I notice a LOTLESS smoke in my cockpit when I turned
on my smoke system. Even when pulling G's at high alfa, there was considerably
less than before.
Tomorrow I head to Camden (CDN), SC for an airshow, needless to say I'll checking
it close.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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Emery Air Center has been around for a long time and has a very good
reputation. They recently acquired the former Beech service center adjacent
to their Hangar (Elliot Beechcraft I think it was) hence the Raytheon
affiliation Christian spoke of. I have had service done on my Yak there
and prices for both Parts and Labor were very fair, and the work was well
done. The gentleman who owns Emery Air Center is very supportive of the YAK
program (especially the new TW's) and It is valuable for all of us to have
more parts here in the states, as well as a committment from Aerostar to
make and supply them. The problem with Raytheon pricing is well taken as I
just ordered a rudder for a bonanza (Through RAPID, not Emery), that cost 4
times as much as a brand new YAK Aileron from Aerostar ( and the aileron has
more material, more rivets, and more labor, and has to be shipped from
Romania, not Wichita). I believe Emery will keep the distinction between
Yak pricing and Raytheon pricing as they have in the past so its deffenitely
worth a try.
Aaron Marshall
YAK 52TW
N343DC
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| Subject: | Re: exhaust system. |
In a message dated 10/28/2005 1:11:19 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
ggg6@att.net writes:
I don't really know the exact thickness. Its like heavy paper.
Pappy
Pappy,, how many thousands thick in the tape??? Gary
-------------- Original message from cjpilot710@aol.com: --------------
As some of you remember I was testing some new ways to seal the exhaust
sections.
I had rapped the section with muffler patch tape. This tape is soaked in a
liquid before it is wrapped and allowed to dry 24 hours. On top of this I
put the steel bands and clamps.
Well this system does not last even 10 hours. It was very good for a short
while but the patch material burned out leaving enormous leaks.
I found some stainless steel tape. It can be cut with good scissors. For a
test, I put a torch to it until it was glowing cherry red hot and twisted it
with pliers to see if it would tear. It did not. I have now wrapped the
joints with this tape, and put the normal clamps and bands on top.
In a :25 minute test flight I notice a LOT LESS smoke in my cockpit when I
turned on my smoke system. Even when pulling G's at high alfa, there was
considerably less than before.
Tomorrow I head to Camden (CDN), SC for an airshow, needless to say I'll
checking it close.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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| Subject: | Re: exhaust system. |
Ok, Thanks ....Gary
-------------- Original message from cjpilot710@aol.com: --------------
In a message dated 10/28/2005 1:11:19 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ggg6@att.net
writes:
I don't really know the exact thickness. Its like heavy paper.
Pappy
Pappy,, how many thousands thick in the tape??? Gary
-------------- Original message from cjpilot710@aol.com: --------------
As some of you remember I was testing some new ways to seal the exhaust sections.
I had rapped the section with muffler patch tape. This tape is soaked in a liquid
before it is wrapped and allowed to dry 24 hours. On top of this I put the
steel bands and clamps.
Well this system does not last even 10 hours. It was very good for a short while
but the patch material burned out leaving enormous leaks.
I found some stainless steel tape. It can be cut with good scissors. For a test,
I put a torch to it until it was glowing cherry red hot and twisted it with
pliers to see if it would tear. It did not. I have now wrapped the joints
with this tape, and put the normal clamps and bands on top.
In a :25 minute test flight I notice a LOT LESS smoke in my cockpit when I turned
on my smoke system. Even when pulling G's at high alfa, there was considerably
less than before.
Tomorrow I head to Camden (CDN), SC for an airshow, needless to say I'll checking
it close.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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Ok, Thanks ....Gary
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In a message dated 10/28/2005 1:11:19 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ggg6@att.net
writes:
I don't really know the exact thickness. Its like heavy paper.
Pappy
Pappy,, how many thousands thick in the tape??? Gary
-------------- Original message from cjpilot710@aol.com: --------------
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As some of you remember I was testing some new ways to seal the exhaust sections.
I had rapped the section with muffler patch tape. This tapeis soaked in a liquid
before it is wrapped and allowed to dry 24 hours. On top of this I put the steel
bands and clamps.
Well this system does not last even 10 hours. It was very good for a short while
but the patch material burned out leaving enormous leaks.
I found some stainless steel tape. It can be cut with good scissors. For a test,
I put atorch to ituntil it was glowing cherry red hot and twisted it with pliers
to see if it would tear. It did not. I have now wrapped the joints with this
tape, and put the normal clamps and bands on top.
In a :25 minute test flight I notice a LOTLESS smoke in my cockpit when I turned
on my smoke system. Even when pulling G's at high alfa, there was considerably
less than before.
Tomorrow I head to Camden (CDN), SC for an airshow, needless to say I'll checking
it close.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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| Subject: | New CJ6.com web site launched! |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <barry@flyredstar.org>
Well, after months of work, the new cj6.com web site is up and running!
This is a collaborative effort between ourselves and Doug Sapp,
bringing online info about our new CJ-6A sales program, and giving you
quick, online access to Doug's parts inventory.
We are very excited about the level of quality for these latest CJ's
and also excited to be expanding our operations at Chino.
Stop by www.cj6.com...and if anything's amiss with the site, please let
me know. Just like a newly certified airplane, I'm sure there are a
few squawks....thanks!
Cheers,
Barry
Barry Hancock
President
Worldwide Warbirds, Inc.
1-866-L39-JETS
cell (949) 300-5510
www.worldwidewarbirds.com
www.sharedsquadrons.com
www.cj6.com
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Hey Mark - please contact me off list - I'm interested in your cowls - dee@innovivellc.com
Thanks,
Dee Conger
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Mark Jefferies
Subject: Yak-List: cowls
Talking of cowls I have a factory new YAK 50 top cowl - offers pls
Also a pair of YAK 50 cowls, not new but not crashed !! - offers
Cheers, mj
From:
"Craig Payne" <cpayne@joimail.com>
Subject:
CJ Cowl wanted
I'm looking for a used CJ cowl, damaged or beat-up OK as long as it is rebuildable.
I need a test mule for some of my mods, rather than cut up the one I have
any more. Replay off-list please.
Craig Payne
cpayne@joimail.com
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