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1. 04:04 AM - High Power & Manifold Pressure (Richard Goode)
2. 04:44 AM - Re: exhaust system. (A. Dennis Savarese)
3. 04:49 AM - Re: factory spare parts deposit (Ron Davis)
4. 05:54 AM - Re: exhaust system. (Ernest Martinez)
5. 05:55 AM - Re: exhaust system. (ggg6@att.net)
6. 06:22 AM - Re: By-laws (Roger Kemp)
7. 07:24 AM - Spare parts- point of clarification (Roger Kemp)
8. 09:01 AM - Re: front cockpit brake handle (Doug Sapp)
9. 09:06 AM - Re: High Power & Manifold Pressure (Walter Lannon)
10. 09:18 AM - Re: front cockpit brake handle (Ernest Martinez)
11. 09:22 AM - Re: front cockpit brake handle (Brian Lloyd)
12. 09:31 AM - Re: Val's CJ6 purchase (Cliff Umscheid)
13. 09:58 AM - High Power & Manifold Pressure (Richard Goode)
14. 10:01 AM - Re: Val's CJ6 purchase (Roger Kemp)
15. 10:17 AM - Re: front cockpit brake handle (Doug Sapp)
16. 10:23 AM - Re: New CJ6.com web site launched! (ByronMFox@aol.com)
17. 10:27 AM - Re: Val's CJ6 purchase (Brian Lloyd)
18. 10:53 AM - Re: Re: front cockpit brake handle (Craig Payne)
19. 11:03 AM - Re: New CJ6.com web site launched! (Jim Selby)
20. 11:14 AM - Re: front cockpit brake handle (Ernest Martinez)
21. 01:56 PM - Re: Val's CJ6 purchase (Buzzard Aviation)
22. 03:26 PM - Re: Val's CJ6 purchase (Walter Lannon)
23. 04:01 PM - Re: Val's CJ6 purchase (Bitterlich GS11 Mark G)
24. 04:04 PM - Re: front cockpit brake handle (Bitterlich GS11 Mark G)
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| Subject: | High Power & Manifold Pressure |
The M14R delivers a genuine 450-hp (-2% for tolerances).
At this power manifold pressure is a minimum of 1,180mm. The mathematics is simple,
and you cannot get 450-hp with 1,100mm.
Richard Goode
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Herefordshire
HR5 3LW
United Kingdom
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Mob: +44 (0) 7768 610389
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| Subject: | Re: exhaust system. |
I have used stainless steel strips cut from a sheet of about .005 thickness to
wrap exhaust joints before putting the stainless steel clamps on the joint. Seems
to work very well and certainly does not deteriorate. I recently repaired
an exhaust joint on Doc's 52 with it.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: cjpilot710@aol.com
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 12:17 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: exhaust system.
In a message dated 10/28/2005 1:11:19 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ggg6@att.net
writes:
I don't really know the exact thickness. Its like heavy paper.
Pappy
Pappy,, how many thousands thick in the tape??? Gary
-------------- Original message from cjpilot710@aol.com: --------------
As some of you remember I was testing some new ways to seal the exhaust sections.
I had rapped the section with muffler patch tape. This tape is soaked in
a liquid before it is wrapped and allowed to dry 24 hours. On top of this I
put the steel bands and clamps.
Well this system does not last even 10 hours. It was very good for a short
while but the patch material burned out leaving enormous leaks.
I found some stainless steel tape. It can be cut with good scissors. For
a test, I put a torch to it until it was glowing cherry red hot and twisted
it with pliers to see if it would tear. It did not. I have now wrapped the joints
with this tape, and put the normal clamps and bands on top.
In a :25 minute test flight I notice a LOT LESS smoke in my cockpit when
I turned on my smoke system. Even when pulling G's at high alfa, there was considerably
less than before.
Tomorrow I head to Camden (CDN), SC for an airshow, needless to say I'll
checking it close.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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| Subject: | Re: factory spare parts deposit |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
I don't see anything in the message that says Raytheon is involved with
Aerostar. One of Raytheon/Beech's dealers is becoming a stocking
distributor of Aerostar parts. I'm confident that if you call Raytheon in
Wichita and ask for their CJ department they'll tell you they don't have
one.
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| Subject: | Re: exhaust system. |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
I dont understand how sealing the exhaust joints would reduce the
ingress of smoke into the cockpit (I'm referring to the use of the
smoke systems, not overall exahust)
Ernie.
On 10/28/05, A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
>
> I have used stainless steel strips cut from a sheet of about .005 thickness
> to wrap exhaust joints before putting the stainless steel clamps on the
> joint. Seems to work very well and certainly does not deteriorate. I
> recently repaired an exhaust joint on Doc's 52 with it.
> Dennis
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: cjpilot710@aol.com
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 12:17 AM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: exhaust system.
>
>
> In a message dated 10/28/2005 1:11:19 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> ggg6@att.net writes:
>
> I don't really know the exact thickness. Its like heavy paper.
> Pappy
>
>
> Pappy,, how many thousands thick in the tape??? Gary
>
> -------------- Original message from cjpilot710@aol.com: --------------
>
>
> As some of you remember I was testing some new ways to seal the exhaust
> sections.
>
> I had rapped the section with muffler patch tape. This tape is soaked in a
> liquid before it is wrapped and allowed to dry 24 hours. On top of this I
> put the steel bands and clamps.
>
> Well this system does not last even 10 hours. It was very good for a short
> while but the patch material burned out leaving enormous leaks.
>
> I found some stainless steel tape. It can be cut with good scissors. For a
> test, I put a torch to it until it was glowing cherry red hot and twisted it
> with pliers to see if it would tear. It did not. I have now wrapped the
> joints with this tape, and put the normal clamps and bands on top.
>
> In a :25 minute test flight I notice a LOT LESS smoke in my cockpit when I
> turned on my smoke system. Even when pulling G's at high alfa, there was
> considerably less than before.
>
> Tomorrow I head to Camden (CDN), SC for an airshow, needless to say I'll
> checking it close.
>
> Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: exhaust system. |
Dennis, Thanks for the info.....Gary
-------------- Original message from "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>:
--------------
I have used stainless steel strips cut from a sheet of about .005 thickness to
wrap exhaust joints before putting the stainless steel clamps on the joint. Seems
to work very well and certainly does not deteriorate. I recently repaired
an exhaust joint on Doc's 52 with it.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: cjpilot710@aol.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: exhaust system.
In a message dated 10/28/2005 1:11:19 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ggg6@att.net
writes:
I don't really know the exact thickness. Its like heavy paper.
Pappy
Pappy,, how many thousands thick in the tape??? Gary
-------------- Original message from cjpilot710@aol.com: --------------
As some of you remember I was testing some new ways to seal the exhaust sections.
I had rapped the section with muffler patch tape. This tape is soaked in a liquid
before it is wrapped and allowed to dry 24 hours. On top of this I put the
steel bands and clamps.
Well this system does not last even 10 hours. It was very good for a short while
but the patch material burned out leaving enormous leaks.
I found some stainless steel tape. It can be cut with good scissors. For a test,
I put a torch to it until it was glowing cherry red hot and twisted it with
pliers to see if it would tear. It did not. I have now wrapped the joints
with this tape, and put the normal clamps and bands on top.
In a :25 minute test flight I notice a LOT LESS smoke in my cockpit when I turned
on my smoke system. Even when pulling G's at high alfa, there was considerably
less than before.
Tomorrow I head to Camden (CDN), SC for an airshow, needless to say I'll checking
it close.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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Dennis, Thanks for the info.....Gary
-------------- Original message from "A. Dennis Savarese" dsavarese@elmore.rr.com:
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I have used stainless steel strips cut from a sheet of about .005 thickness to
wrap exhaust joints before putting the stainless steel clamps on the joint. Seems
to workvery welland certainly does not deteriorate. I recently repaired an
exhaust joint on Doc's 52 with it.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
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Subject: Re: Yak-List: exhaust system.
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In a message dated 10/28/2005 1:11:19 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ggg6@att.net
writes:
I don't really know the exact thickness. Its like heavy paper.
Pappy
Pappy,, how many thousands thick in the tape??? Gary
-------------- Original message from cjpilot710@aol.com: --------------
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As some of you remember I was testing some new ways to seal the exhaust sections.
I had rapped the section with muffler patch tape. This tapeis soaked in a liquid
before it is wrapped and allowed to dry 24 hours. On top of this I put the steel
bands and clamps.
Well this system does not last even 10 hours. It was very good for a short while
but the patch material burned out leaving enormous leaks.
I found some stainless steel tape. It can be cut with good scissors. For a test,
I put atorch to ituntil it was glowing cherry red hot and twisted it with pliers
to see if it would tear. It did not. I have now wrapped the joints with this
tape, and put the normal clamps and bands on top.
In a :25 minute test flight I notice a LOTLESS smoke in my cockpit when I turned
on my smoke system. Even when pulling G's at high alfa, there was considerably
less than before.
Tomorrow I head to Camden (CDN), SC for an airshow, needless to say I'll checking
it close.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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Pappy,
Will do. If you chose not to vote then you do not have a voice in the outcome.
Personally, I have read them and by enlarge have no problem with them. But opinions
are like anuses, everybody has one.
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From:
Subject: Yak-List: By-laws
Troops,
About now all up to date members will be getting the notice about the new by-laws.
This my personal pitch. The board spent a great deal of time fussing over this
thing. Some of us playing at knowing constitution law, of course not knowing
pittle. These propose by-laws are not the caliber written by our forefather
(took them 11 years) put we put in good faith effort.
As with anything agreed on by a number of men, these are not as perfect as I -
repeat I - would have it, but with things like this one must compromise.
But I think these by-laws are good.
Drew has set up very good safe and fair system for voting. I urged each of you
to spend a few minutes reading though the proposed by-laws. And than vote your
convection.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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| Subject: | Spare parts- point of clarification |
To all,
I need to clarify what I meant when I wrote of my reservations about large FBO/Companies
supplying YAK parts in the US. My point was that when large companies
enter the supply chain, the cost go up. Anything that you buy from Raytheon
is 3 - 4 times the cost of anything else. My experience has been that anytime
Raytheon is part of a dealership, everything supplied by that dealership cost
more. A friend reciently replaced his alternator on his Bonaza at a cost that
was 4 x's the cost of a plain old automobile alternator (same item without the
PMA stamp of approval). Larger companies in the supply chain have higher overheads
and therefore charge more in markup to provide the same item. We are not
talking about SAM's club bulk purchasing power here. We are talking about one
larger FBO becoming the primary supplier of parts for the US. There is no competition
and the smaller mom and pop companies will suffer. If this becomes
our only alternative for new parts, the cost will inc
rease.
At this time I do not have any experience with Emery Air. I will defer to those
that have for thier opinions. Time will tell whether my thoughts/fears are founded.
It is my contention that exclusive contracts breed increased cost since
there is no competition in the market place.
Doc
Roger "Doc" Kemp
viperdoc@mindspring.com
Aint no sound like a Radial
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| Subject: | front cockpit brake handle |
Just a quick note that IMHO cables normally don't stretch much. Any
"growth" in length should be looked at with great suspicion. Are the
strands of the cable parting somewhere in the length of the cable? Or are
the balls on the ends coming loose? I have seen several cables part company
shortly after being "snugged up". Many weekend mechanics out in the
hinterland have taken a torch to the ends of the cable to heat them in an
effort to solder a new ball on the cable. This removes the temper from the
cable and will in time cause the cable to fail at that point. Proceed
carefully folks, there is NOTHING more apt to make you soil yourself than
the sudden realization that you have a pedestrian (or the side of your own
hanger) bore sighted and have absolutely no chance of stopping in time.
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Steve Wieland
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 4:21 PM
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Yak-List: front cocpit brake handle
I've got a'96 Yak-52. The f/c/p brake is not as effective as the rear. I
suspect the cable needs to be tightened. Any help on how to do it & what pit
falls might occur[ I.e. too tight = dragging brake etc]
Wheels N42SW
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| Subject: | Re: High Power & Manifold Pressure |
Hi Richard;
I presume you are refering only to the M14 series of engines, or engines of similar
displacement.
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Goode
To: YAK USA LIST
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 4:02 AM
Subject: Yak-List: High Power & Manifold Pressure
The M14R delivers a genuine 450-hp (-2% for tolerances).
At this power manifold pressure is a minimum of 1,180mm. The mathematics is
simple, and you cannot get 450-hp with 1,100mm.
Richard Goode
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Herefordshire
HR5 3LW
United Kingdom
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Mob: +44 (0) 7768 610389
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
dangerous content by http://www.invictawiz.com
and is believed to be clean.
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| Subject: | Re: front cockpit brake handle |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
I've always worried about this. The L-29 has an emergency brake, which
activates full air to both wheels, independently of the cable and the
QS2 valve, its a simple on off lever. I dont think it would take much
to devise a similar setup for the CJ. This would also be nice for
runups, better than the velcro strap on the stick.
Any thoughts?
Ernie
On 10/28/05, Doug Sapp <rvfltd@televar.com> wrote:
>
> Just a quick note that IMHO cables normally don't stretch much. Any
> "growth" in length should be looked at with great suspicion. Are the
> strands of the cable parting somewhere in the length of the cable? Or are
> the balls on the ends coming loose? I have seen several cables part company
> shortly after being "snugged up". Many weekend mechanics out in the
> hinterland have taken a torch to the ends of the cable to heat them in an
> effort to solder a new ball on the cable. This removes the temper from the
> cable and will in time cause the cable to fail at that point. Proceed
> carefully folks, there is NOTHING more apt to make you soil yourself than
> the sudden realization that you have a pedestrian (or the side of your own
> hanger) bore sighted and have absolutely no chance of stopping in time.
>
>
> Always Yakin,
> Doug Sapp
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> Steve Wieland
> Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 4:21 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: front cocpit brake handle
>
>
> I've got a'96 Yak-52. The f/c/p brake is not as effective as the rear. I
> suspect the cable needs to be tightened. Any help on how to do it & what pit
> falls might occur[ I.e. too tight = dragging brake etc]
> Wheels N42SW
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| Subject: | Re: front cockpit brake handle |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Doug Sapp wrote:
> Just a quick note that IMHO cables normally don't stretch much. Any
> "growth" in length should be looked at with great suspicion.
Amen brother! I consider this to be a life-limited periodic replacement item.
Having had one fail just as I was taxiing into position for take-off, I can
attest to the fact that it is annoying as hell to feel that helpless.
Fortunately for me it was at Castle where I had a huge runway on which to
maneuver and was able to get myself pointed at a big taxiway before shutting
down the engine and rolling off the runway. Anyplace else and it may have been
an "incident".
It does not make much sense to trust to luck to keep you and your airplane safe.
--
Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
brian-yak@lloyd.com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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| Subject: | Re: Val's CJ6 purchase |
Walt Lannon'
Walt, I don't know anything about you or your personal preferences but I
can tell you this, You have missed acouple of shots in your recent effort
to inform yourself and communicate clearly on the above indicated
subject. First, You don't seem to know whether Val is male or female, yet
Val clearly states she is a retired female Delta pilot. Second, you
characterize my communication to Val as "condescendingly", I thought I
was being polite and in fact, I closed with the phrase "warm regards".
Nevertheless, you can call it as you see it. Third, You characterize the
T-6 as the only aircraft which fits the standard of being a
"man's"aircraft. The fact is that the T-6 is not being considered within
the group of prospective aircraft purchases by Miz Val . RTFQ. Fourth,
Your assessment of the YAK 50 as a "toy" compared to the T-6 leads me to
believe you are without experience or knowlege in either aircraft.
Possibly you have never even sat in or flown either of them. Many others
have high levels of T-6 time, my experience is a paltry 500 hrs of
instructing time since I did not spend an entire war instructing others.
This is however, sufficient to permit a limited informed comparison of
the T 6 and the YAK 50 , which I presently own. Please accept my unbiased
conclusion that the YAK 50 , with its 3600FPM rate of climb from the
runway
would---if it were armed--- be forever known as a T-6 killer. Yesterday,
a very confident young fellow in an SNJ tried to bounce me in the 50. It
took about 30 seconds to dispose of his naivete and create a more
enlightened, living aviator, somewhat the more embarrassed for his
venturousness. If you truly regard the 50 as a "toy"" , go sit in one
and, if you've got the guts, LAUNCH yourself with no more than a reading
of the manual. If you survive, come back , then talk to me about the 50
being a TOY, then I'll listen to your opinion with all due respect.
Regards,
CLIFF
On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 13:04:13 -0500 "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
writes:
Well Walt, now you've done gone and done it! Val's a guy so the she
really is a he who's gotten more than he ever bargained for from this
list by threatening to buy one of those bent wing toys! But since you
jumped on the man's toys thing here with the T-6, SNJ, or Harvard topic,
you forgot one thing. They are STILL TRAINERS for the AF types (and I'm
including you NAVEL aviators and JARINE barnacle scrapers in this loose
association of military pilots too). A real MAN"S TOY is a P-51, YAK-9,
F4U, F-86, and the VIPER! Yeah I know, there are other single seat
single engine! fighters out there! But, since I wrote this drivel, those
are my favorites. Have never flown the first 4 but LOVE the HELL out of
the last one! The other 4 just look really cool sitting on the ramp.
And oh buy the way, The IAK-52 is a damned fun TRAINER to own too! The
other great thing about it is you can take that ROTC cadet that can't
make up his mind if he want s to fly fighters or not kid up and introduce
him to a whole new form of aviation .Flying with an unusual attitude vs
straight and level spam canning! You can't do that with that niffy 50 of
yours. Now if you want a tail dragging family model, get a TW or a TD.
But what ever you do don't leave that future ACE standing on the ramp
looking up at you have all the fun!
So VAl, if you are still lurking out there wondering just what you poked
your nose into here with this list, buy a Red Star aircraft and join in
the fun! They really are a blast for that mid-life crisis and the wives
really appreciate the fact that your mid-life crisis was over a cool
airplane and not the bimbet sitting behind the Hertz desk!
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: Walter Lannon
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Val's CJ6 purchase
Cliff;
Perhaps you have information that I have missed since you refer to "Val"
(somewhat condescendingly) as a lady. That may or may not be the case as
the abbreviation "Val" may be for a name that is not gender specific.
I find it difficult to pass up this reply since you have given some very
direct advice to purchase a "MAN's" aeroplane as compared to the less
than masculine training wheel types represented by the CJ and Yak 52.
If that is important to you why don't you recommend the only aircraft
that fits that standard rather than a toy like the Yak 50 ? That is, of
course, the T6, SNJ or Harvard!
Cheers;
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: Cliff Umscheid
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Val's CJ6 purchase
Val,
Don't listen to that Pappy Goolsby and his slavish devotion to the CJ6,
It took him two airlines to get him to a Captain's seat and now he's
passing out biased information to the Newbies. Besides, you must avoid
that FATAL FEMININE FLAW of making decisions on the basis of emotion
instead of logic and fact. By purchasing a YAK 50 instead of a CJ you
show this male dominated group that you too have the balls to handle a
real airplane without a training wheel up front. Nothing else will
demonstrate your male equivalency of courage and self confidence.
Remember, my dear, YOU are the only flag bearer we have here representing
that once noble Delta Airlines -(once thought to be immune to
bankruptgy). We'll all be watching to see which way you go. Let me say
clearly , you will never get the thrill in a CJ that you will in a YAK
50 when you go balls to the wall at 200kts and slap that stick hard to
the left or right. (use two hands my de ar).
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| Subject: | High Power & Manifold Pressure |
In reply to Walt, yes of course only M14P.
Obviously if you change valve timing/lift etc., you can get more power out of less
manifold pressure.
However I am talking about a standard cam-plate etc.
Richard Goode
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Herefordshire
HR5 3LW
United Kingdom
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Mob: +44 (0) 7768 610389
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
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| Subject: | Re: Val's CJ6 purchase |
Interesting. Fights On--Fights On. The T-6 will pull away in straight and level,
but a turning fight using the vertical it is another story! Seen that fight
once myself in my 52. That bright yellow SNJ over Lake Martin trying to saddle
up as I was making a 375 klic pass was quite surprised to see "Miss Mollie" now
camped at his 7 well in gun parameters calling "Guns, Guns,Guns, tracking kill
on the yellow T-6 heading 330 @ 1200!".
Nuff Said!
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: Cliff Umscheid
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Val's CJ6 purchase
Walt Lannon'
Walt, I don't know anything about you or your personal preferences but I can tell
you this, You have missed acouple of shots in your recent effort to inform
yourself and communicate clearly on the above indicated subject. First, You don't
seem to know whether Val is male or female, yet Val clearly states she is
a retired female Delta pilot. Second, you characterize my communication to Val
as "condescendingly", I thought I was being polite and in fact, I closed with
the phrase "warm regards". Nevertheless, you can call it as you see it. Third,
You characterize the T-6 as the only aircraft which fits the standard of being
a "man's"aircraft. The fact is that the T-6 is not being considered within
the group of prospective aircraft purchases by Miz Val . RTFQ. Fourth, Your assessment
of the YAK 50 as a "toy" compared to the T-6 leads me to believe you
are without experience or knowlege in either aircraft. Possibly you have never
even sat in or flown either of them. Many others ha
ve high levels of T-6 time, my experience is a paltry 500 hrs of instructing time
since I did not spend an entire war instructing others. This is however, sufficient
to permit a limited informed comparison of the T 6 and the YAK 50 ,
which I presently own. Please accept my unbiased conclusion that the YAK 50 ,
with its 3600FPM rate of climb from the runway
would---if it were armed--- be forever known as a T-6 killer. Yesterday, a very
confident young fellow in an SNJ tried to bounce me in the 50. It took about
30 seconds to dispose of his naivete and create a more enlightened, living aviator,
somewhat the more embarrassed for his venturousness. If you truly regard
the 50 as a "toy"" , go sit in one and, if you've got the guts, LAUNCH yourself
with no more than a reading of the manual. If you survive, come back , then
talk to me about the 50 being a TOY, then I'll listen to your opinion with all
due respect.
Regards,
CLIFF
On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 13:04:13 -0500 "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com> writes:
Well Walt, now you've done gone and done it! Val's a guy so the she really is a
he who's gotten more than he ever bargained for from this list by threatening
to buy one of those bent wing toys! But since you jumped on the man's toys thing
here with the T-6, SNJ, or Harvard topic, you forgot one thing. They are STILL
TRAINERS for the AF types (and I'm including you NAVEL aviators and JARINE
barnacle scrapers in this loose association of military pilots too). A real
MAN"S TOY is a P-51, YAK-9, F4U, F-86, and the VIPER! Yeah I know, there are
other single seat single engine! fighters out there! But, since I wrote this drivel,
those are my favorites. Have never flown the first 4 but LOVE the HELL
out of the last one! The other 4 just look really cool sitting on the ramp.
And oh buy the way, The IAK-52 is a damned fun TRAINER to own too! The other great
thing about it is you can take that ROTC cadet that can't make up his mind
if he want s to fly fighters or not kid up and introduce him to a whole new
form of aviation .Flying with an unusual attitude vs straight and level spam canning!
You can't do that with that niffy 50 of yours. Now if you want a tail
dragging family model, get a TW or a TD. But what ever you do don't leave that
future ACE standing on the ramp looking up at you have all the fun!
So VAl, if you are still lurking out there wondering just what you poked your nose
into here with this list, buy a Red Star aircraft and join in the fun! They
really are a blast for that mid-life crisis and the wives really appreciate
the fact that your mid-life crisis was over a cool airplane and not the bimbet
sitting behind the Hertz desk!
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: Walter Lannon
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Val's CJ6 purchase
Cliff;
Perhaps you have information that I have missed since you refer to "Val" (somewhat
condescendingly) as a lady. That may or may not be the case as the abbreviation
"Val" may be for a name that is not gender specific.
I find it difficult to pass up this reply since you have given some very direct
advice to purchase a "MAN's" aeroplane as compared to the less than masculine
training wheel types represented by the CJ and Yak 52.
If that is important to you why don't you recommend the only aircraft that fits
that standard rather than a toy like the Yak 50 ? That is, of course, the T6,
SNJ or Harvard!
Cheers;
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: Cliff Umscheid
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Val's CJ6 purchase
Val,
Don't listen to that Pappy Goolsby and his slavish devotion to the CJ6, It took
him two airlines to get him to a Captain's seat and now he's passing out biased
information to the Newbies. Besides, you must avoid that FATAL FEMININE FLAW
of making decisions on the basis of emotion instead of logic and fact. By
purchasing a YAK 50 instead of a CJ you show this male dominated group that you
too have the balls to handle a real airplane without a training wheel up front.
Nothing else will demonstrate your male equivalency of courage and self
confidence. Remember, my dear, YOU are the only flag bearer we have here representing
that once noble Delta Airlines -(once thought to be immune to bankruptgy).
We'll all be watching to see which way you go. Let me say clearly , you
will never get the thrill in a CJ that you will in a YAK 50 when you go balls
to the wall at 200kts and slap that stick hard to the left or right. (use two
hands my de ar).
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| Subject: | front cockpit brake handle |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Ernie,
Actually I got started on that last winter and have most of it already
figured out. I looked at trying to find and use the L29 e/brake actuator,
but found that they were far to expensive to use in this application. My
summer months are far to hectic to get much aircraft R&D done, but as winter
is approaching soon I am sure I will soon have time to get back on this as
well as a few other mods I have in mind for the CJ6. When I have the mod
done and tested I will post to the list, there will also be photos posted on
the CJ6.com web site when the mod is completed.
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ernest Martinez
Subject: Re: Yak-List: front cockpit brake handle
--> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
I've always worried about this. The L-29 has an emergency brake, which
activates full air to both wheels, independently of the cable and the
QS2 valve, its a simple on off lever. I dont think it would take much
to devise a similar setup for the CJ. This would also be nice for
runups, better than the velcro strap on the stick.
Any thoughts?
Ernie
On 10/28/05, Doug Sapp <rvfltd@televar.com> wrote:
>
> Just a quick note that IMHO cables normally don't stretch much. Any
> "growth" in length should be looked at with great suspicion. Are the
> strands of the cable parting somewhere in the length of the cable? Or are
> the balls on the ends coming loose? I have seen several cables part
company
> shortly after being "snugged up". Many weekend mechanics out in the
> hinterland have taken a torch to the ends of the cable to heat them in an
> effort to solder a new ball on the cable. This removes the temper from
the
> cable and will in time cause the cable to fail at that point. Proceed
> carefully folks, there is NOTHING more apt to make you soil yourself than
> the sudden realization that you have a pedestrian (or the side of your own
> hanger) bore sighted and have absolutely no chance of stopping in time.
>
>
> Always Yakin,
> Doug Sapp
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> Steve Wieland
> Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 4:21 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: front cocpit brake handle
>
>
> I've got a'96 Yak-52. The f/c/p brake is not as effective as the rear. I
> suspect the cable needs to be tightened. Any help on how to do it & what
pit
> falls might occur[ I.e. too tight = dragging brake etc]
> Wheels N42SW
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| Subject: | Re: New CJ6.com web site launched! |
In a message dated 10/27/2005 10:41:10 PM Pacific Standard Time,
barry@flyredstar.org writes:
Stop by www.cj6.com...and if anything's amiss with the site, please let
me know. Just like a newly certified airplane, I'm sure there are a
few squawks....thanks!
Barry, when I go to www.cj6.com, it appears to be Doug's original without
modification. What am I doing wrong? ...Blitz
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| Subject: | Re: Val's CJ6 purchase |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Cliff Umscheid wrote:
> ...
> Nevertheless, you can call it as you see it. Third, You characterize the
> T-6 as the only aircraft which fits the standard of being a
> "man's"aircraft. The fact is that the T-6 is not being considered within
> the group of prospective aircraft purchases by Miz Val .
> ...
> This is however, sufficient to permit a limited informed comparison of
> the T 6 and the YAK 50 , which I presently own. Please accept my
> unbiased conclusion that the YAK 50 , with its 3600FPM rate of climb
> from the runway
> would---if it were armed--- be forever known as a T-6 killer. ... in one
> and, if you've got the guts, LAUNCH yourself with no more than a reading
> of the manual. If you survive, come back , then talk to me about the 50
> being a TOY, then I'll listen to your opinion with all due respect.
This is something that I just don't understand about this list. Why the
necessity to determine which airplane is "better"? Yak-50, AT-6, CJ6A, Yak-52,
FA-18, MiG-29, C-150. They are all very cool airplanes and they all do
wonderful things. Heck, sometimes when I am just flying along I look out at
that wing and think, "hey, there is nothing holding this thing up!" Flying is
nothing short of a friggin' miracle!
Of course God intended us to fly. He made the birds so we could get a clue
then he made a bunch of curious primates who just couldn't leave well enough
alone. I don't care if its a J3 or an SR-71. It is pure FM!
And you know what? I am flying my clunky old Aztec to Ashland to take in
Shakespeare's "Richard III" tonight. It will be droning straight and level
through the Aether. I will be IFR for part of the way, probably end up
shooting the ILS at Medford to get under the clag so I can run down the valley
to Ashland. Sometime along the way I will think to myself, "wow! This is pure FM."
And I would like to wish all of you the pleasure of experiencing that same joy
sometime this weekend, and ever other weekend for the rest of your life.
--
Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
brian-yak@lloyd.com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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| Subject: | Re: RE: front cockpit brake handle |
Swapping out the brake cables should be mandatory for all CJ's, IMHO. I used SS
cable with MS20664C ball & single shank swaged fittings. Lucky for me my failure
was when I was just pulling out of the blocks when the cable slipped right
through the soldered ball...and I had a Young Eagle in the back seat.
Craig Payne
cpayne@joimail.com
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| Subject: | Re: New CJ6.com web site launched! |
Blitz,
Go under yahoo and type in www.cj6.com It will be under CJ6 Aircrafts & Parts
Best Regards
Jr
----- Original Message -----
From: ByronMFox@aol.com
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: New CJ6.com web site launched!
In a message dated 10/27/2005 10:41:10 PM Pacific Standard Time, barry@flyredstar.org
writes:
Stop by www.cj6.com...and if anything's amiss with the site, please let
me know. Just like a newly certified airplane, I'm sure there are a
few squawks....thanks!
Barry, when I go to www.cj6.com, it appears to be Doug's original without modification. What am I doing wrong? ...Blitz
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| Subject: | Re: front cockpit brake handle |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
Cool, I look forward to it. I've thought about it on and off but the
difference between an idea of mine and actual implementation are
vastly different things.
Ernie
On 10/28/05, Doug Sapp <rvfltd@televar.com> wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
>
> Ernie,
> Actually I got started on that last winter and have most of it already
> figured out. I looked at trying to find and use the L29 e/brake actuator,
> but found that they were far to expensive to use in this application. My
> summer months are far to hectic to get much aircraft R&D done, but as winter
> is approaching soon I am sure I will soon have time to get back on this as
> well as a few other mods I have in mind for the CJ6. When I have the mod
> done and tested I will post to the list, there will also be photos posted on
> the CJ6.com web site when the mod is completed.
>
> Always Yakin,
> Doug Sapp
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ernest Martinez
> Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 9:18 AM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: front cockpit brake handle
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
>
> I've always worried about this. The L-29 has an emergency brake, which
> activates full air to both wheels, independently of the cable and the
> QS2 valve, its a simple on off lever. I dont think it would take much
> to devise a similar setup for the CJ. This would also be nice for
> runups, better than the velcro strap on the stick.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Ernie
>
> On 10/28/05, Doug Sapp <rvfltd@televar.com> wrote:
> >
> > Just a quick note that IMHO cables normally don't stretch much. Any
> > "growth" in length should be looked at with great suspicion. Are the
> > strands of the cable parting somewhere in the length of the cable? Or are
> > the balls on the ends coming loose? I have seen several cables part
> company
> > shortly after being "snugged up". Many weekend mechanics out in the
> > hinterland have taken a torch to the ends of the cable to heat them in an
> > effort to solder a new ball on the cable. This removes the temper from
> the
> > cable and will in time cause the cable to fail at that point. Proceed
> > carefully folks, there is NOTHING more apt to make you soil yourself than
> > the sudden realization that you have a pedestrian (or the side of your own
> > hanger) bore sighted and have absolutely no chance of stopping in time.
> >
> >
> > Always Yakin,
> > Doug Sapp
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> > Steve Wieland
> > Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 4:21 PM
> > To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Yak-List: front cocpit brake handle
> >
> >
> > I've got a'96 Yak-52. The f/c/p brake is not as effective as the rear. I
> > suspect the cable needs to be tightened. Any help on how to do it & what
> pit
> > falls might occur[ I.e. too tight = dragging brake etc]
> > Wheels N42SW
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Val's CJ6 purchase |
<43625F51.3070809@lloyd.com>
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| Subject: | Re: Val's CJ6 purchase |
Hi Cliff;
OUCH! I did re-read Val's email before my first reply (and again now) and find
no reference to gender - only "recently retired Delta pilot". So I still don't
know. As to my comment that is the impression I received, which I should have
kept to myself. If that was incorrect you have my apology. I would love to fly
the 50. With that power to weight ratio it must be a blast and with the wide
gear should be a real sweetheart on landing.
I have owned a Harvard 4 for over 26 years and have flown most versions of the
T6 & SNJ, in total about 1500 Hrs on type. Also have a CJ6 and restore, maintain
and fly both types.
I think they are all wonderful toys.
Cheers;
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: Cliff Umscheid
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 9:28 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Val's CJ6 purchase
Walt Lannon'
Walt, I don't know anything about you or your personal preferences but I can
tell you this, You have missed acouple of shots in your recent effort to inform
yourself and communicate clearly on the above indicated subject. First, You
don't seem to know whether Val is male or female, yet Val clearly states she is
a retired female Delta pilot. Second, you characterize my communication to Val
as "condescendingly", I thought I was being polite and in fact, I closed with
the phrase "warm regards". Nevertheless, you can call it as you see it. Third,
You characterize the T-6 as the only aircraft which fits the standard of
being a "man's"aircraft. The fact is that the T-6 is not being considered within
the group of prospective aircraft purchases by Miz Val . RTFQ. Fourth, Your
assessment of the YAK 50 as a "toy" compared to the T-6 leads me to believe you
are without experience or knowlege in either aircraft. Possibly you have never
even sat in or flown either of them. Many others have high levels of T-6 time,
my experience is a paltry 500 hrs of instructing time since I did not spend
an entire war instructing others. This is however, sufficient to permit a limited
informed comparison of the T 6 and the YAK 50 , which I presently own.
Please accept my unbiased conclusion that the YAK 50 , with its 3600FPM rate of
climb from the runway
would---if it were armed--- be forever known as a T-6 killer. Yesterday, a very
confident young fellow in an SNJ tried to bounce me in the 50. It took about
30 seconds to dispose of his naivete and create a more enlightened, living
aviator, somewhat the more embarrassed for his venturousness. If you truly regard
the 50 as a "toy"" , go sit in one and, if you've got the guts, LAUNCH yourself
with no more than a reading of the manual. If you survive, come back , then
talk to me about the 50 being a TOY, then I'll listen to your opinion with
all due respect.
Regards,
CLIFF
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| Subject: | Val's CJ6 purchase |
I agree with you Brian, but Pappy started it, this time anyway. All of it
really is tongue in cheek anyway. I think we all love our own airplanes,
and flying overall. However, on the flip side of the coin, "what airplane
is better" is the argument/debate of choice for most every pilot worldwide.
I've got some 10 hours in a T-6, and many hundreds in the 50. If pilot
skills are equal, the 50 would out dogfight the T-6 in a freaking heartbeat,
and there is just no getting around that. I used to spend hours and hours
on the USS Midway debating whether an F-8F Bearcat could take on a modern
A-6E Intruder 1 V 1. It was sometimes heated, sometimes rational, but
always fun to talk about.
Debating which airplane would win a dogfight, is on the same par as flying
formation. With the airplanes we are flying today, there is no real NEED to
do it, but it still remains a heck of a lot of fun to do, and considering
how deadly serious this group is about flying formation, I don't think it is
any big surprise that they (we) are also going to debate who's going to win
the dogfight.
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Lloyd [mailto:brian-yak@lloyd.com]
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Val's CJ6 purchase
This is something that I just don't understand about this list. Why the
necessity to determine which airplane is "better"? Yak-50, AT-6, CJ6A,
Yak-52,
FA-18, MiG-29, C-150. They are all very cool airplanes and they all do
wonderful things. Heck, sometimes when I am just flying along I look out at
that wing and think, "hey, there is nothing holding this thing up!" Flying
is
nothing short of a friggin' miracle!
Of course God intended us to fly. He made the birds so we could get a clue
then he made a bunch of curious primates who just couldn't leave well enough
alone. I don't care if its a J3 or an SR-71. It is pure FM!
And you know what? I am flying my clunky old Aztec to Ashland to take in
Shakespeare's "Richard III" tonight. It will be droning straight and level
through the Aether. I will be IFR for part of the way, probably end up
shooting the ILS at Medford to get under the clag so I can run down the
valley
to Ashland. Sometime along the way I will think to myself, "wow! This is
pure FM."
And I would like to wish all of you the pleasure of experiencing that same
joy
sometime this weekend, and ever other weekend for the rest of your life.
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| Subject: | front cockpit brake handle |
I take it that if I said... convert to hydraulic brakes..... I'd get yelled
at?
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Sapp [mailto:rvfltd@televar.com]
Subject: RE: Yak-List: front cockpit brake handle
Just a quick note that IMHO cables normally don't stretch much. Any
"growth" in length should be looked at with great suspicion. Are the
strands of the cable parting somewhere in the length of the cable? Or are
the balls on the ends coming loose? I have seen several cables part company
shortly after being "snugged up". Many weekend mechanics out in the
hinterland have taken a torch to the ends of the cable to heat them in an
effort to solder a new ball on the cable. This removes the temper from the
cable and will in time cause the cable to fail at that point. Proceed
carefully folks, there is NOTHING more apt to make you soil yourself than
the sudden realization that you have a pedestrian (or the side of your own
hanger) bore sighted and have absolutely no chance of stopping in time.
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Steve Wieland
Subject: Yak-List: front cocpit brake handle
I've got a'96 Yak-52. The f/c/p brake is not as effective as the rear. I
suspect the cable needs to be tightened. Any help on how to do it & what pit
falls might occur[ I.e. too tight = dragging brake etc]
Wheels N42SW
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