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1. 01:54 AM - Val's CJ6 purchase (Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd)
2. 04:49 AM - Re: front cockpit brake handle (A. Dennis Savarese)
3. 05:26 AM - More T-6/SNJ v RedStar (Craig Payne)
4. 07:36 AM - Re: front cockpit brake handle (Ernest Martinez)
5. 07:39 AM - "Whaddizzitt?" (Valkyre1)
6. 07:59 AM - Yak-list (Tom Johnson)
7. 08:13 AM - Re: Yak-list (ggg6@att.net)
8. 02:00 PM - Re: More T-6/SNJ v RedStar (Roger Kemp)
9. 03:04 PM - Re: "Whaddizzitt?" (Cliff Umscheid)
10. 07:15 PM - Whadizzit (Roger Kemp)
11. 08:46 PM - Re: Val's CJ6 purchase BY BRIAN LLOYD (Cliff Umscheid)
12. 09:02 PM - Re: Whadizzit This one's for you DOC (Cliff Umscheid)
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| Subject: | Val's CJ6 purchase |
Val, were all dying to know who's advise did you take?
http://www.yakuk.com/yak50pics.asp
and
http://www.yakuk.com/yak50.asp
for my recomendation. But we only have a second hand a/c at this time.
cheers, mj
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| Subject: | Re: front cockpit brake handle |
No....probably smacked upside the head a few times! -)
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Bitterlich GS11 Mark G
To: 'yak-list@matronics.com'
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 6:05 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: front cockpit brake handle
I take it that if I said... convert to hydraulic brakes..... I'd get yelled at?
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Sapp [mailto:rvfltd@televar.com]
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 12:00 PM
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Yak-List: front cockpit brake handle
Just a quick note that IMHO cables normally don't stretch much. Any "growth"
in length should be looked at with great suspicion. Are the strands of the
cable parting somewhere in the length of the cable? Or are the balls on the
ends coming loose? I have seen several cables part company shortly after being
"snugged up". Many weekend mechanics out in the hinterland have taken a torch
to the ends of the cable to heat them in an effort to solder a new ball on
the cable. This removes the temper from the cable and will in time cause the
cable to fail at that point. Proceed carefully folks, there is NOTHING more
apt to make you soil yourself than the sudden realization that you have a pedestrian
(or the side of your own hanger) bore sighted and have absolutely no
chance of stopping in time.
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Steve Wieland
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 4:21 PM
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Yak-List: front cocpit brake handle
I've got a'96 Yak-52. The f/c/p brake is not as effective as the rear. I
suspect the cable needs to be tightened. Any help on how to do it & what pit falls
might occur[ I.e. too tight dragging brake etc]
Wheels N42SW
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| Subject: | More T-6/SNJ v RedStar |
"RedStar" type aircraft begin to arrive on US shores about 13-14 years ago. Up
until the last few years, it seems that many of our T-6/SNJ friends were in complete
denial that "Yaks" existed, and that our aircraft had any attributes admirable
to a "real" warbirder.
10 years ago my CJ was based on a field with about 7 or 8 T-6/SNJ's. "Chinese Junk"
was the handle, even though none of those pilots ever flew in a Yak or CJ,
or even along side one. It just was NOT possible that any Commie prop plane
could measure up to North American Trainer. Yak-52's were singled out for scorn
because their "feet" hung out.
8 years ago I attended a NATA clinic and proved that my stock CJ could keep up
with the T-6 in cruise, out turn and out climb it. When I switched to the M-14,
I put on a little flight demo and Sixer's got really hard to find.
This year, I saw former hardcore T-6 guys in -TW's, and spoke with a number of
North American drivers asking about RedStar aircraft. However, I met other hardcore
Sixer's that are still in complete denial that ANY of the RedStar prop warbirds
could ever outperform a godfearing, American Warbird.
What seems to be attracting converts though, is just not the airplanes, but our
organization, the clinics we put on, and the fun we have. Life goes on.
Craig Payne
cpayne@joimail.com
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| Subject: | Re: front cockpit brake handle |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
Maybe run over by a semi.
Ernie
On 10/29/05, A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
>
> No....probably smacked upside the head a few times! -)
> Dennis
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bitterlich GS11 Mark G
> To: 'yak-list@matronics.com'
> Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 6:05 PM
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: front cockpit brake handle
>
>
> I take it that if I said... convert to hydraulic brakes..... I'd get yelled
> at?
>
> Mark
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Doug Sapp [mailto:rvfltd@televar.com]
> Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 12:00 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: front cockpit brake handle
>
>
> Just a quick note that IMHO cables normally don't stretch much. Any
> "growth" in length should be looked at with great suspicion. Are the
> strands of the cable parting somewhere in the length of the cable? Or are
> the balls on the ends coming loose? I have seen several cables part company
> shortly after being "snugged up". Many weekend mechanics out in the
> hinterland have taken a torch to the ends of the cable to heat them in an
> effort to solder a new ball on the cable. This removes the temper from the
> cable and will in time cause the cable to fail at that point. Proceed
> carefully folks, there is NOTHING more apt to make you soil yourself than
> the sudden realization that you have a pedestrian (or the side of your own
> hanger) bore sighted and have absolutely no chance of stopping in time.
>
>
> Always Yakin,
> Doug Sapp
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of
> Steve Wieland
> Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 4:21 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: front cocpit brake handle
>
>
> I've got a'96 Yak-52. The f/c/p brake is not as effective as the rear. I
> suspect the cable needs to be tightened. Any help on how to do it & what pit
> falls might occur[ I.e. too tight = dragging brake etc]
> Wheels N42SW
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Hey again Guys,
Yep, I'm still "lurking" around out here as Doc so succinctly put it. I'm also
getting a lot of chuckles as well as info on the YAK and CJ6 re: my intent
to purchase. Evidently I started some friendly fire amongst you which you are
enjoying as much as I am.
I've received information on a beautiful and fully loaded almost new YAK for
sale by two of my airline brethren. They love it, but both airlines are in
or near bankruptcy and taking their ton of flesh out of the pilots.
Next Tues I will be going to Portland to fly and inspect the particular CJ6
that I am considering. (I'm excited for sure.) It's older than the YAK, we
will see what comes of it. That's your first mystery.
The second mystery for some of you is in the form of a riddle. ( Cliff, "older
than dirt" might enjoy this more than most).
Here goes... "It rides a Harley V-Rod. It has been in martial arts for 19
years and teaches "cockpit combat" to flight crews. It flew Captain in DC-3s in
Africa when it was 23 to build flight time. It was one of the first Police Aerial
Patrol pilots for the LA Sheriffs. It is currently writing an action adventure
book on airlines and terrorism ( Chapter 14 so far) and it's taking it's
open water SCUBA Certification test today to go dive in Eluthera.
It adores the opposite gender and they generally find it quite attractive
as well. It flies because (as Brian reminds us) "It releases my mind from the
tyranny of petty things." It has never had a problem operating well with and enjoying
the members of it's flight crew.
(This one's for Walt) It flew North American AT-6's upon occasion out of Van
Nuys when it was getting it's private pilot license age 17 years old. Like
so many of us when we were kids, washed them for occasional flight time.
(I know this is long guys, but I'm having way too much fun here.)
It's 6 ft tall and blond. It was in the first class of Federal Flight Deck
Officers after 911. It loves instinctive archery and shooting it's LEM H/K 40cal.
for practice upon occasion. It has also just finished painting an 8'X20'
mural of the Salt Lake Valley and Delta aircraft for the Chief Pilots Office.
It wants to purchase one of those wonderful "Boy's Toys" and join in the fun
with the YAK guys. It is most appreciative of their varied and colorful input.
"Whaddizzitt?!!"
Tank, that was truly an appropriate and well written ode to the CJ. I did buy
American with the V-Rod at least, although I'm not generally a Harley fan.
A friend of mine who is a FAM gave me a bit of a hard time about "what are you
doing buying a CHINESE or RUSSIAN military airplane you unpatriotic thing?"
I just told him that I was taking a machine of war out of their hands and providing
a last line of defense for the USA.(laugh).
Thanks also to the very entertaining Cliff, EAL and his wonderful arch nemesis,
"Pappy".
My appreciation to Tim as well. That is, after all, the bottom line. "Whatever
suits my mission".
I do feel warmly welcomed by all of you and continue to enjoy your comments
on the YAK list. Indeed I AM still lurking about out here and probably will
be for some time.
The final question. Will I succumb to "That Fatal Feminine Flaw of emotion
based decision making" or will I do the sweaty double balled testosterone based
thing and succumb to a male on male challenge? The mystery remains. Stay
tuned for the next episode of "ALL MY YAKS".
I love it.
You guys fly safe out there and keep the comments coming.
Fraternally, - "Val"
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Tom Johnson" <tomjohnson@cox.net>
I think "Val" is probably LONG gone.
We should promote OUR aircraft in a positive manner.
ESPECIALLY when a potential new owner comes along.
Motion to end the debate of aircraft superiority.
Tj
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Motion Seconded !! Gary
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> I think "Val" is probably LONG gone.
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> We should promote OUR aircraft in a positive manner.
> ESPECIALLY when a potential new owner comes along.
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> Motion to end the debate of aircraft superiority.
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> Tj
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| Subject: | More T-6/SNJ v RedStar |
Roger that "CW"! We are having fun!
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: Craig Payne
Subject: Yak-List: More T-6/SNJ v RedStar
"RedStar" type aircraft begin to arrive on US shores about 13-14 years ago. Up
until the last few years, it seems that many of our T-6/SNJ friends were in complete
denial that "Yaks" existed, and that our aircraft had any attributes admirable
to a "real" warbirder.
10 years ago my CJ was based on a field with about 7 or 8 T-6/SNJ's. "Chinese Junk"
was the handle, even though none of those pilots ever flew in a Yak or CJ,
or even along side one. It just was NOT possible that any Commie prop plane
could measure up to North American Trainer. Yak-52's were singled out for scorn
because their "feet" hung out.
8 years ago I attended a NATA clinic and proved that my stock CJ could keep up
with the T-6 in cruise, out turn and out climb it. When I switched to the M-14,
I put on a little flight demo and Sixer's got really hard to find.
This year, I saw former hardcore T-6 guys in -TW's, and spoke with a number of
North American drivers asking about RedStar aircraft. However, I met other hardcore
Sixer's that are still in complete denial that ANY of the RedStar prop warbirds
could ever outperform a godfearing, American Warbird.
What seems to be attracting converts though, is just not the airplanes, but our
organization, the clinics we put on, and the fun we have. Life goes on.
Craig Payne
cpayne@joimail.com
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| Subject: | Re: "Whaddizzitt?" |
Thanks Val, I love it too, Hell, I even love Pappy, I had his generation
of kids come through my cockpit as copilots and F/Es and many more, both
before and after him. It was very interesting to watch and provided a
fascinating perspective. I'm sure he was indoctrinated with a greater
sense of respect for those entrusted with his education and development
than that "older than dirt "remark would indicate. I'm also certain he is
totally without malice ; and , have you noticed how the culture of the
airline cockpit inculcates a high degree of "button
pushing"sophistication in us? We use it to test, measure and evaluate
this new stranger in the cockpit whose right seat presence is required
by regulatory fiat. It carries over into the afterlife of airline flying
and serves an equally useful purpose here. Pappy and I use it on each
other; I used it on you with that " Fatal Feminine Flaw " reference.
I've never met you but I know I would enjoy your company by reason of
having measured your earlier responses. So, Val, do the smart thing and
get yourself a nifty YAK 50, stick around here, hell, I'll even give you
some on the wing check out before your first sortie--for free yet. That's
more than I got when I purchased my little predator.
Besides, If YOU get a YAK 50 I'll have someone to do a little "tail
chasin"with, if you will--a new dimension for you, I'm sure . I'm getting
bored with eating nothing but T 6s, CJs and YAK 52s and my friend Mark
Bitterlicht, with his 50, is too far away.
Now, with reference to your second mystery--in the form of a
riddle-- I think I broke the code--It is YOU and I'm glad to hear you
"dore the opposite gender". Don't make the third mystery for Walt too
hard, he hasn't yet figured out that You're a girl type, and I don't
think he knows anything about tail chasin or rat racin either.
Finally, I have a confession to make; I've never had a gen--u--ine
female girl in my cockpit as a flight deck crew member. Maybe it's not
too late to rectify this deprivation, so, if we can work out the
logistics, and fly with the canopy open in my YAK 50, it might just be
possible that your first ride in the 50 can be a dual checkout. Don't be
too quick to turn down this offer. History tells us it can be done .;eg.
Charley Wilson is a friend of mine who flew P 51s in Europe during WW 2
and was shot down over Italy in 1944 by an ME 109. He landed in a field
and was picked up by his CO ,named Exom ,also in a 51, and, after
discarding his chute, they both made it back to base at reduced airspeed
and with the canopy open. This is a documented and personal word of mouth
account ,the validity of which is beyond question. As for the YAK 50 ,
the mystery is solved: it's what you do with your feet while waiting for
the tail to come up--on takeoff, of course.
Well Val, I'll sit up here on the perch for a while and wait to
see how high your serum testosterone is and whether you show up draggin
your tail wheel or pushin your training wheel . You're off to a good
start; don't disappoint me. Check Barnstormers.com for a pair of good
sounding YAK 50s--click on aerobatics to find them.
Balls to the wall, check six and keep the mo.
Warm Regards,
CLIFF
@comcast.net> writes:
Hey again Guys,
Yep, I'm still "lurking" around out here as Doc so succinctly put it.
I'm also getting a lot of chuckles as well as info on the YAK and CJ6 re:
my intent to purchase. Evidently I started some friendly fire amongst you
which you are enjoying as much as I am.
I've received information on a beautiful and fully loaded almost new
YAK for sale by two of my airline brethren. They love it, but both
airlines are in or near bankruptcy and taking their ton of flesh out of
the pilots.
Next Tues I will be going to Portland to fly and inspect the
particular CJ6 that I am considering. (I'm excited for sure.) It's older
than the YAK, we will see what comes of it. That's your first mystery.
The second mystery for some of you is in the form of a riddle. (
Cliff, "older than dirt" might enjoy this more than most).
Here goes... "It rides a Harley V-Rod. It has been in martial arts
for 19 years and teaches "cockpit combat" to flight crews. It flew
Captain in DC-3s in Africa when it was 23 to build flight time. It was
one of the first Police Aerial Patrol pilots for the LA Sheriffs. It is
currently writing an action adventure book on airlines and terrorism (
Chapter 14 so far) and it's taking it's open water SCUBA Certification
test today to go dive in Eluthera.
It adores the opposite gender and they generally find it quite
attractive as well. It flies because (as Brian reminds us) "It releases
my mind from the tyranny of petty things." It has never had a problem
operating well with and enjoying the members of it's flight crew.
(This one's for Walt) It flew North American AT-6's upon occasion
out of Van Nuys when it was getting it's private pilot license age 17
years old. Like so many of us when we were kids, washed them for
occasional flight time.
(I know this is long guys, but I'm having way too much fun here.)
It's 6 ft tall and blond. It was in the first class of Federal
Flight Deck Officers after 911. It loves instinctive archery and shooting
it's LEM H/K 40cal. for practice upon occasion. It has also just finished
painting an 8'X20' mural of the Salt Lake Valley and Delta aircraft for
the Chief Pilots Office.
It wants to purchase one of those wonderful "Boy's Toys" and join in
the fun with the YAK guys. It is most appreciative of their varied and
colorful input.
"Whaddizzitt?!!"
Tank, that was truly an appropriate and well written ode to the CJ. I
did buy American with the V-Rod at least, although I'm not generally a
Harley fan. A friend of mine who is a FAM gave me a bit of a hard time
about "what are you doing buying a CHINESE or RUSSIAN military airplane
you unpatriotic thing?" I just told him that I was taking a machine of
war out of their hands and providing a last line of defense for the
USA.(laugh).
Thanks also to the very entertaining Cliff, EAL and his wonderful
arch nemesis, "Pappy".
My appreciation to Tim as well. That is, after all, the bottom
line. "Whatever suits my mission".
I do feel warmly welcomed by all of you and continue to enjoy your
comments on the YAK list. Indeed I AM still lurking about out here and
probably will be for some time.
The final question. Will I succumb to "That Fatal Feminine Flaw of
emotion based decision making" or will I do the sweaty double balled
testosterone based thing and succumb to a male on male challenge? The
mystery remains. Stay tuned for the next episode of "ALL MY YAKS".
I love it.
You guys fly safe out there and keep the comments coming.
Fraternally, - "Val"
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It,
Somewhere in here we went from buying a YAK, sorry, CJ to Cum Baa Yah. Now I understand
the Valkyrie 1 and the V Hog association. At first I thought along the
lines of the defunct high altitude supersonic bomber with an affinity for hot
brakes and brake fires. Bottom line, all the former Eastern Bloc A/C have their
appeal and are fun to fly , al thought some of them are ugly as hell. But,
then again, we have built a few ugly ones too...usually for the NAVY!
Now on to the reference to why do we have to evaluate the capabilities of each
type of aircraft? I think that all began when some bugger took a pistol airborne
and started shooting at his adversary in WWI. After that we military types
decided it was best to learn as much about our adversaries aircraft so we could
employ our strengths and exploit their weaknesses. So in the perfect world
we would be drinking their whiskey in their bar and as Francis so "succinctly"
said "a few Marines looking for your sisters."
So Val, get a Red Star A/C and have some economical fun! It'll be the most fun
you can have with your cloths on which ever gender you are. And Clif the reason
you need a family model is so you don't get your "Sticks" confused while trying
to fly the ladies around in your one holer!
Doc
Roger "Doc" Kemp
viperdoc@mindspring.com
Aint no sound like a Radial
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| Subject: | Re: Val's CJ6 purchase BY BRIAN LLOYD |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Cliff Umscheid <netmaster15@juno.com>
Brian,
Thankyou for your comments regarding the pointless pursuit of the
question as to which aircraft is best. While I agree with you as to the
useless pursuit of such an issue, it nevertheless, is a response which
is both predictable and the natural consequence of someone else's
assertion of superiority in any given venue. Don't let it rob you of the
overall pleasure of the list. Besides, a little good natured rivalry does
not hurt the spirit of comradship and it's not a do or die issue that
anyone is going to get too tightly wound up over, Relax and enjoy.
Personally , I'll save the heavy ordinance for an issue that has greater
gravity. This is light sparring and nobody is going to get hurt.
I hope you have enjoyed Shakespeare's Richard lll in Ashland
tonight. Whenever I strap on the iron that PFM aura brings back a warm
fuzzy feeling while doing something I thoroughly enjoy.
Regards,
CLIFF
On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 10:26:41 -0700 Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
writes:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
>
> Cliff Umscheid wrote:
> > ...
> > Nevertheless, you can call it as you see it. Third, You
> characterize the
> > T-6 as the only aircraft which fits the standard of being a
> > "man's"aircraft. The fact is that the T-6 is not being considered
> within
> > the group of prospective aircraft purchases by Miz Val .
> > ...
> > This is however, sufficient to permit a limited informed
> comparison of
> > the T 6 and the YAK 50 , which I presently own. Please accept my
> > unbiased conclusion that the YAK 50 , with its 3600FPM rate of
> climb
> > from the runway
> > would---if it were armed--- be forever known as a T-6 killer. ...
> in one
> > and, if you've got the guts, LAUNCH yourself with no more than a
> reading
> > of the manual. If you survive, come back , then talk to me about
> the 50
> > being a TOY, then I'll listen to your opinion with all due
> respect.
>
> This is something that I just don't understand about this list. Why
> the
> necessity to determine which airplane is "better"? Yak-50, AT-6,
> CJ6A, Yak-52,
> FA-18, MiG-29, C-150. They are all very cool airplanes and they all
> do
> wonderful things. Heck, sometimes when I am just flying along I look
> out at
> that wing and think, "hey, there is nothing holding this thing up!"
> Flying is
> nothing short of a friggin' miracle!
>
> Of course God intended us to fly. He made the birds so we could get
> a clue
> then he made a bunch of curious primates who just couldn't leave
> well enough
> alone. I don't care if its a J3 or an SR-71. It is pure FM!
>
> And you know what? I am flying my clunky old Aztec to Ashland to
> take in
> Shakespeare's "Richard III" tonight. It will be droning straight and
> level
> through the Aether. I will be IFR for part of the way, probably end
> up
> shooting the ILS at Medford to get under the clag so I can run down
> the valley
> to Ashland. Sometime along the way I will think to myself, "wow!
> This is pure FM."
>
> And I would like to wish all of you the pleasure of experiencing
> that same joy
> sometime this weekend, and ever other weekend for the rest of your
> life.
>
> --
> Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
> brian-yak@lloyd.com Folsom, CA 95630
> +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
>
> I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things .
> . .
> - Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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| Subject: | Re: Whadizzit This one's for you DOC |
Doc, These one holers lend new meaning to the word "togetherness"'
Cliff
On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 21:15:05 -0500 "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
writes:
It,
Somewhere in here we went from buying a YAK, sorry, CJ to Cum Baa Yah.
Now I understand the Valkyrie 1 and the V Hog association. At first I
thought along the lines of the defunct high altitude supersonic bomber
with an affinity for hot brakes and brake fires. Bottom line, all the
former Eastern Bloc A/C have their appeal and are fun to fly , al thought
some of them are ugly as hell. But, then again, we have built a few ugly
ones too...usually for the NAVY!
Now on to the reference to why do we have to evaluate the capabilities of
each type of aircraft? I think that all began when some bugger took a
pistol airborne and started shooting at his adversary in WWI. After that
we military types decided it was best to learn as much about our
adversaries aircraft so we could employ our strengths and exploit their
weaknesses. So in the perfect world we would be drinking their whiskey in
their bar and as Francis so "succinctly" said "a few Marines looking for
your sisters."
So Val, get a Red Star A/C and have some economical fun! It'll be the
most fun you can have with your cloths on which ever gender you are. And
Clif the reason you need a family model is so you don't get your "Sticks"
confused while trying to fly the ladies around in your one holer!
Doc
Roger "Doc" Kemp
viperdoc@mindspring.com
Aint no sound like a Radial
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