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1. 06:14 AM - Re: FAA required documentation (A. Dennis Savarese)
2. 07:56 AM - Re: Help after engine failure (Doug Sapp)
3. 08:11 AM - Re: Compressor (Barry Hancock)
4. 08:30 AM - Re: Help after engine failure (A. Dennis Savarese)
5. 09:18 AM - Re: FAA required documentation (Jon Boede)
6. 12:04 PM - Re: FAA required documentation (Fraser, Gus)
7. 01:50 PM - RE YAK52 BRAKE REDUCING VALVE (egon)
8. 02:16 PM - Re: RE YAK52 BRAKE REDUCING VALVE (David Marsh)
9. 02:44 PM - Re: RE YAK52 BRAKE REDUCING VALVE (A. Dennis Savarese)
10. 03:07 PM - Re: Somebody Stole Dorothy's Slippers (Frank Haertlein)
11. 06:02 PM - Re: Val's CJ6 purchase (Frank Haertlein)
12. 06:09 PM - Fighter Pilot show (KingCJ6@aol.com)
13. 06:37 PM - Re: RE YAK52 BRAKE REDUCING VALVE (Roger Kemp)
14. 07:22 PM - Re: Val's CJ6 purchase (Roger Kemp)
15. 09:32 PM - Val Flies! (Harold H. Morley)
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| Subject: | Re: FAA required documentation |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
Ron,
The purpose of the original post was not to determine whether FAA Order
8130.2F (or 2C, Change 2, or their predecessors etc.) was enforceable as a
FAR would be, but to stimulate an aircraft owner's thinking as to what
he/she needs to have with them when attending an event and when they are
following the rules established by the aircraft's operating limitations.
We don't need to draw attention to ourselves or our group by not having the
proper documentation with us or pleading ignorant to the contents of our
OL's and how an FAA inspector might interpret them. This was supposed to be
educational and ultimately beneficial to those who do attend events which
may have an FAA inspector on site.
I didn't intend it to be interpreted as saying 8130.2F will take precedent
over the existing OL's. The words I quoted also existed in 8130.2 and all
revisions since then. So most likely it is in almost all OL's.
Thank you for enlightening me on the FSDO reporting to the MIDO.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: FAA required documentation
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Ron Davis" <l39parts@hotmail.com>
>
> It's a waste of good electrons to point this out to you again, but it
> doesn't matter what Order 8130.2F says unless you are about to certify a
> plane. That is not an FAR. It doesn't apply to any aircraft that has an
> airworthiness certificate. You can not be violated for not following it.
> The only consequence of not following its requirements is that the
> inspector won't give you an airworthiness certificate.
>
> If your plane got an airworthiness certificate under 8130.2C then those
> requirements apply no matter what 8130.2F says or 8130.2W for that matter.
> 8130.2x tells the inspector/DAR what to write in your operating
> limitations. That is why there are "grandfathered" experimental exhibition
> planes- they have an airworthiness certicate that they got before the 300
> mile limit was listed in the inspector's handbook.
>
> p. s. The Orlando FSDO does not report to the Atlanta MIDO. MIDO and
> FSDO are separate branches of the FAA tree. Each has its own set of
> regional offices and Washington office. They do sometimes enter into
> intra-agency letters of agreement to allow one office to perform functions
> that is in the other's perview.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Help after engine failure |
Tim,
Please contact me off list. This is a M14P engine?
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tim & Jessie
Windsor
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 11:32 PM
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Yak-List: Help after engine failure
Doug
Had a bad failure 8 minutes after t/off 80% mid boost in formation no
warning except a lack of power , sudden bad vibration , thought prop was
delaminating no other indications vibration less @100% wingman confimed much
smoke from right stack , just made it to the airfielddue to no power. On
landing lost oil press and got chip detector light momentarily. Shut down
immediately. Found 3inch split in no 7 cylinder head 1/8th inch wide
starting at forwrd spark plug
Any thoughts . Any new engines out there ?
Best Regards,
Tim & Jessie Windsor
Windsor's Edge
McDonalds Rd
Pokolbin. NSW
Ph (02) 4998 7737
windsorsedge@ozemail.com.au
----- Original Message -----
From: Doug Sapp
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 10:40 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Lubing the Compressor Filter
Heck Dennis, Before I discovered MMO I oiled my compressor filter with
WD40 before every flight (see note), for 200 hours without any adverse
problems, until I heard about the new blast tube. So I doubt you will have
a problem. This is only what I was told from Russia, may be baloney, but
they had a reason for redesigning the tube and with all the trouble we were
having with carboned up poppet valves It sounded good to me because in my
experience you cannot burn oil without creating carbon and since carbon is
what we are fighting it all made sense.
Note: On the 5 cly M11FR radial the compressor is in the front of the
engine, so compressor oiling can be done without removing the cowls.
But as many great minds have already said "Your mileage may vary."
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of A. Dennis Savarese
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 12:53 PM
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Lubing the Compressor Filter
Doug,
While I don't fundamentally disagree with you or your Russian vendor,
I do believe he was most likely referring to the oil from the engine and
engine compartment which tends to much, much thicker and contaminated as
compared to air tool oil, 3 in 1 oil or MMO/air tool oil. I have had pretty
good success keeping the output check valve on the compressor from carboning
up by lightly oiling the compressor filter when it is first installed.
But, as always, this is just me and my personal preferences and
someone else's results may be different.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Doug Sapp
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 2:29 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Lubing the Compressor Filter
Jeff,
Yes it was me.
If you have the opportunity to look at the newer style compressor
blast tube for the Yak 18T's you will see that it completely covers the top
intake filter AND the side of the compressor, so your compressor is living
off good clean blast air and not the oily air that is in the engine
compartment. When my first stock arrived I questioned why they were
changed, my vendor in Russia told me that oil build up on the filters was
being sucked into the compressor, the oil was then getting on the red hot
poppet valve and causing carbon deposits which will in time build up to the
point to where the compressor is pumping but the poppet valve is not closing
so you just build a bit of pressure and, not the normal 45 atms.
Unfortunately many folks who do not fully understand all the smoke and
mirrors of the air system, think the most common place to look for a
possible solution to this problem is to start wrenching on the pop off valve
with the thought in mind that for some unexplained reason it suddenly needs
to be readjusted. So they crank it down a few turns and go fly the
aircraft. If they are lucky they will see no change, but if they are
unlucky and the bit of carbon on the poppet valve decides that now is the
time to move on down the line, the poppet valve will suddenly become fully
functioning and you now have a situation that could (depending on how far he
cranked it down) be VERY explosive. This is not a good way to test your
rusty air tanks to see if they will hold 60 atms!!! Remember 1 atm =14.7
psi, so 45 which is std for CJ's is 661.5 psi, but 60 atm (about 3 full
turns on your pop off valve set nut) =882 psi.
My advise is to change the filters often, keep one in the ditty box
as a spare just in case you develop a oil leak in engine compartment while
at a air show. It's cheap insurance compared to the rent I heard that Jeff
was charging for his super duper go fast, thrice modified ginsiu, Ron
Poppiel compressor wrench . ;o) Jeff, can I copy it??
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jeff Linebaugh
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 5:29 AM
To: yak-list@matronics. com
Subject: Yak-List: Lubing the Compressor Filter
Dennis, et al...
I was told a while back (can't remember the source...Doug,
was it you?) to NOT lube the compressor filter, even with air tool oil. It
was found that oil sucked in through the filters caused premature compressor
failures. To help combat this, the new compressor blast tube design
completely surrounds the compressor inlet so that only fresh air can get to
the compressor...instead of just supplying cooling air to the side of the
unit....thoughts folks?? I am not the expert...just wanting to generate
discussion...
I do frequently change the compressor filter...anyone that
has had to change a compressor will do everything they can to help promote
long compressor life. (Remember, Barry? I still have the triple customized
compressor nut wrench in my toolbox...don't leave home without it!)
Jeff Linebaugh
jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net
CJ-6P N621CJ
Memphis, TN
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <barry@flyredstar.org>
On Nov 1, 2005, at 11:58 PM, Yak-List Digest Server wrote:
> I do frequently change the compressor filter...anyone that has had to
> change
> a compressor will do everything they can to help promote long
> compressor
> life. (Remember, Barry? I still have the triple customized compressor
> nut
> wrench in my toolbox...don't leave home without it!)
Jeff,
I had actually suppressed that nightmare until now. Thanks to you I'm
sure I'll have those uncontrollable shakes next time I pop the cowl and
see the compressor....
Glad your mongoloid wrench is still useful tho'.....
B-b-b-b-b-d-d-d-og
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| Subject: | Re: Help after engine failure |
Sounds like an M14/Russian V530 prop; "thought prop was delaminating", with the
Chinese prop being metal.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Doug Sapp
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 9:55 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Help after engine failure
Tim,
Please contact me off list. This is a M14P engine?
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tim & Jessie Windsor
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 11:32 PM
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Yak-List: Help after engine failure
Doug
Had a bad failure 8 minutes after t/off 80% mid boost in formation no warning
except a lack of power , sudden bad vibration , thought prop was delaminating
no other indications vibration less @100% wingman confimed much smoke from
right stack , just made it to the airfielddue to no power. On landing lost oil
press and got chip detector light momentarily. Shut down immediately. Found
3inch split in no 7 cylinder head 1/8th inch wide starting at forwrd spark plug
Any thoughts . Any new engines out there ?
Best Regards,
Tim & Jessie Windsor
Windsor's Edge
McDonalds Rd
Pokolbin. NSW
Ph (02) 4998 7737
windsorsedge@ozemail.com.au
----- Original Message -----
From: Doug Sapp
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 10:40 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Lubing the Compressor Filter
Heck Dennis, Before I discovered MMO I oiled my compressor filter with WD40
before every flight (see note), for 200 hours without any adverse problems,
until I heard about the new blast tube. So I doubt you will have a problem.
This is only what I was told from Russia, may be baloney, but they had a reason
for redesigning the tube and with all the trouble we were having with carboned
up poppet valves It sounded good to me because in my experience you cannot
burn oil without creating carbon and since carbon is what we are fighting it
all made sense.
Note: On the 5 cly M11FR radial the compressor is in the front of the engine,
so compressor oiling can be done without removing the cowls.
But as many great minds have already said "Your mileage may vary."
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of A. Dennis Savarese
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 12:53 PM
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Lubing the Compressor Filter
Doug,
While I don't fundamentally disagree with you or your Russian vendor, I
do believe he was most likely referring to the oil from the engine and engine
compartment which tends to much, much thicker and contaminated as compared to
air tool oil, 3 in 1 oil or MMO/air tool oil. I have had pretty good success
keeping the output check valve on the compressor from carboning up by lightly
oiling the compressor filter when it is first installed.
But, as always, this is just me and my personal preferences and someone
else's results may be different.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Doug Sapp
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 2:29 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Lubing the Compressor Filter
Jeff,
Yes it was me.
If you have the opportunity to look at the newer style compressor blast
tube for the Yak 18T's you will see that it completely covers the top intake
filter AND the side of the compressor, so your compressor is living off good
clean blast air and not the oily air that is in the engine compartment. When
my first stock arrived I questioned why they were changed, my vendor in Russia
told me that oil build up on the filters was being sucked into the compressor,
the oil was then getting on the red hot poppet valve and causing carbon deposits
which will in time build up to the point to where the compressor is pumping
but the poppet valve is not closing so you just build a bit of pressure and,
not the normal 45 atms. Unfortunately many folks who do not fully understand
all the smoke and mirrors of the air system, think the most common place to
look for a possible solution to this problem is to start wrenching on the pop
off valve with the thought in mind that for some unexplained reason it suddenly
needs to be readjusted. So they crank it down a few turns and go fly the
aircraft. If they are lucky they will see no change, but if they are unlucky
and the bit of carbon on the poppet valve decides that now is the time to move
on down the line, the poppet valve will suddenly become fully functioning and
you now have a situation that could (depending on how far he cranked it down)
be VERY explosive. This is not a good way to test your rusty air tanks to
see if they will hold 60 atms!!! Remember 1 atm 14.7 psi, so 45 which is std
for CJ's is 661.5 psi, but 60 atm (about 3 full turns on your pop off valve set
nut) 882 psi.
My advise is to change the filters often, keep one in the ditty box as
a spare just in case you develop a oil leak in engine compartment while at a
air show. It's cheap insurance compared to the rent I heard that Jeff was charging
for his super duper go fast, thrice modified ginsiu, Ron Poppiel compressor
wrench . ;o) Jeff, can I copy it??
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jeff Linebaugh
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 5:29 AM
To: yak-list@matronics. com
Subject: Yak-List: Lubing the Compressor Filter
Dennis, et al...
I was told a while back (can't remember the source...Doug, was
it you?) to NOT lube the compressor filter, even with air tool oil. It was found
that oil sucked in through the filters caused premature compressor failures.
To help combat this, the new compressor blast tube design completely surrounds
the compressor inlet so that only fresh air can get to the compressor...instead
of just supplying cooling air to the side of the unit....thoughts folks??
I am not the expert...just wanting to generate discussion...
I do frequently change the compressor filter...anyone that has
had to change a compressor will do everything they can to help promote long
compressor life. (Remember, Barry? I still have the triple customized compressor
nut wrench in my toolbox...don't leave home without it!)
Jeff Linebaugh
jefflinebaugh@earthlink.net
CJ-6P N621CJ
Memphis, TN
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| Subject: | Re: FAA required documentation |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net>
I'd show him the sms outbox on the cell phone... and when he gives me one
of "those looks", I'd say, "Hey, rules written in a way that avoids
exposing their true intent (i.e. hidden agenda) are usually full of
holes."
Jon :-) :-) :-)
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese"
> <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
>
> That's right Jon. You only have to notify you local FSDO. You're not
> asking for permission to attend and event. However, you must receive
> approval (permission) from the receiving FSDO if your going for
> maintenance
> and you have to notify your FSDO that you're going for maintenance. That
> is
> the only exception.
>
> 48 hours - Unless specifically written into the OL's by the inspector who
> created them, there is no 48 hour notification specified in any paragraph
> applicable to Group II, turbine powered aircraft. Once again, if an
> inspector decides to include those words in the OL's, then of course that
> is
> the requirement for any person operating that specific aircraft.
>
> The only potential problem with sending a text message (great idea
> though!)
> is if you are ramp checked and the inspector says "show me". Just because
> you sent a text message doesn't necessarily mean the FSDO received it. A
> fax sent can produce a report which you can attach to the fax and carry
> with
> you to the event.
>
> Dennis
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 1:12 PM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: FAA required documentation
>
>
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net>
>>
>> My guy takes an email... Note that the rule says that you have to
>> "notify"
>> them... not that they need to approve or even acknowledge receipt of
>> your
>> notification. Which does make one wonder what exactly this, if
>> anything,
>> has to do with safety.
>>
>> There's a rule for jets about 48 hours in advance notification if you're
>> doing something that's not on your annual program letter. That doesn't
>> seem necessary for the piston stuff (so far, that I can tell).
>>
>> Note that while the jet guys seem to have to give 48 hours notice to do
>> something that's not on their program letter, I haven't seen anything
>> that
>> gives a time requirement for ammending your program letter... in theory,
>> you could send your FSDO guy a text message from your cell phone
>> ammending
>> your program letter... while on short final at the airshow. :-)
>>
>> Jon
>>
>>> --> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
>>>
>>> You're supposed to send a fax to your local FSDO and the FSDO of the
>>> area you are going if greater than 300/600nm informing them that you
>>> are going to the airshow, if it wasnt mentioned in your program
>>> letter. Carry a copy of that fax with a confirmation page as well.
>>>
>>> Ernie
>>>
>>> On 11/1/05, Yak52 <yak52@flyredstar.org> wrote:
>>>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Yak52" <yak52@flyredstar.org>
>>>>
>>>> Go to the "events" section, then "Event Planning" - at the bottom of
>>>> the
>>>> page.
>>>>
>>>> Deon.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 9:46 AM
>>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: FAA required documentation
>>>>
>>>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>>>>
>>>> Dennis,
>>>> Special Airworthiness Certificate (SAC)
>>>> Currant FAA flight physical (keep copy in your possesion)
>>>> Pilots license ( keep copy in your possesion ie, wallet)
>>>> Operational limitations (SAC- contains this)
>>>> Program Letter
>>>> A map showing your 300nm radius of operational limits, 600nm if you
>>>> have
>>>> one of those fast movers > 500hp.
>>>> Proof of a currant annual.
>>>> And if you are planning on flying in the airshow, a currrant FAST
>>>> card.
>>>> The RPA website used to have that checklist list in a sample airshow
>>>> packet. I could not find it when I did a quick scan of the website a
>>>> little
>>>> while ago.
>>>> Doc
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | FAA required documentation |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Fraser, Gus" <gus.fraser@gs.com>
I just email the FSDO and print out the sent email.
Gus
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jon Boede
Subject: Re: Yak-List: FAA required documentation
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net>
I'd show him the sms outbox on the cell phone... and when he gives me one of
"those looks", I'd say, "Hey, rules written in a way that avoids exposing
their true intent (i.e. hidden agenda) are usually full of holes."
Jon :-) :-) :-)
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese"
> <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
>
> That's right Jon. You only have to notify you local FSDO. You're not
> asking for permission to attend and event. However, you must receive
> approval (permission) from the receiving FSDO if your going for
> maintenance and you have to notify your FSDO that you're going for
> maintenance. That is the only exception.
>
> 48 hours - Unless specifically written into the OL's by the inspector
> who created them, there is no 48 hour notification specified in any
> paragraph applicable to Group II, turbine powered aircraft. Once
> again, if an inspector decides to include those words in the OL's,
> then of course that is the requirement for any person operating that
> specific aircraft.
>
> The only potential problem with sending a text message (great idea
> though!)
> is if you are ramp checked and the inspector says "show me". Just
> because you sent a text message doesn't necessarily mean the FSDO
> received it. A fax sent can produce a report which you can attach to
> the fax and carry with you to the event.
>
> Dennis
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 1:12 PM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: FAA required documentation
>
>
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net>
>>
>> My guy takes an email... Note that the rule says that you have to
>> "notify"
>> them... not that they need to approve or even acknowledge receipt of
>> your notification. Which does make one wonder what exactly this, if
>> anything, has to do with safety.
>>
>> There's a rule for jets about 48 hours in advance notification if
>> you're doing something that's not on your annual program letter.
>> That doesn't seem necessary for the piston stuff (so far, that I can
tell).
>>
>> Note that while the jet guys seem to have to give 48 hours notice to
>> do something that's not on their program letter, I haven't seen
>> anything that gives a time requirement for ammending your program
>> letter... in theory, you could send your FSDO guy a text message from
>> your cell phone ammending your program letter... while on short final
>> at the airshow. :-)
>>
>> Jon
>>
>>> --> Yak-List message posted by: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
>>>
>>> You're supposed to send a fax to your local FSDO and the FSDO of the
>>> area you are going if greater than 300/600nm informing them that you
>>> are going to the airshow, if it wasnt mentioned in your program
>>> letter. Carry a copy of that fax with a confirmation page as well.
>>>
>>> Ernie
>>>
>>> On 11/1/05, Yak52 <yak52@flyredstar.org> wrote:
>>>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Yak52" <yak52@flyredstar.org>
>>>>
>>>> Go to the "events" section, then "Event Planning" - at the bottom
>>>> of the page.
>>>>
>>>> Deon.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger
>>>> Kemp
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 9:46 AM
>>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: FAA required documentation
>>>>
>>>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp"
>>>> --> <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>>>>
>>>> Dennis,
>>>> Special Airworthiness Certificate (SAC) Currant FAA flight physical
>>>> (keep copy in your possesion) Pilots license ( keep copy in your
>>>> possesion ie, wallet) Operational limitations (SAC- contains this)
>>>> Program Letter A map showing your 300nm radius of operational
>>>> limits, 600nm if you have one of those fast movers > 500hp.
>>>> Proof of a currant annual.
>>>> And if you are planning on flying in the airshow, a currrant FAST
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>>>> The RPA website used to have that checklist list in a sample
>>>> airshow packet. I could not find it when I did a quick scan of the
>>>> website a little while ago.
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| Subject: | RE YAK52 BRAKE REDUCING VALVE |
Hi Dave. I had exactly the same symptoms in my CJ. I pulled the reducing valve
and tried to fix it to no avail.( Seems to be a fussy little bugger!) I ended
up getting a new one from Doug ...... problem fixed. I think you will find the
Yak valve is identical to the CJ. Good luck.
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| Subject: | Re: RE YAK52 BRAKE REDUCING VALVE |
Thanks for all the encouragement. Now all I need is an experienced keyhole surgeon
......
----- Original Message -----
From: egon
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 3:54 PM
Subject: Yak-List: RE YAK52 BRAKE REDUCING VALVE
Hi Dave. I had exactly the same symptoms in my CJ. I pulled the reducing valve
and tried to fix it to no avail.( Seems to be a fussy little bugger!) I ended
up getting a new one from Doug ...... problem fixed. I think you will find the
Yak valve is identical to the CJ. Good luck.
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| Subject: | Re: RE YAK52 BRAKE REDUCING VALVE |
A dentist is a good person to work on a Yak brake reducing valve since he is used
to looking in a mirror while working. -)
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: David Marsh
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 4:14 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: RE YAK52 BRAKE REDUCING VALVE
Thanks for all the encouragement. Now all I need is an experienced keyhole surgeon
......
----- Original Message -----
From: egon
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 3:54 PM
Subject: Yak-List: RE YAK52 BRAKE REDUCING VALVE
Hi Dave. I had exactly the same symptoms in my CJ. I pulled the reducing valve
and tried to fix it to no avail.( Seems to be a fussy little bugger!) I ended
up getting a new one from Doug ...... problem fixed. I think you will find
the Yak valve is identical to the CJ. Good luck.
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| Subject: | Somebody Stole Dorothy's Slippers |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Jeff
The Ponca City fly-in this coming Saturday looks like a go....weather
permitting. Look forward to seeing a few YAK drivers there.
Frank Haertlein
YAK-52
N9110M
K32
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Pritchard
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Somebody Stole Dorothy's Slippers
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jeff Pritchard" <Jeffpritchard@cox.net>
A guy gets lonely out here on the prairie.
Fiddler
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Somebody Stole Dorothy's Slippers
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
I don't know about that Fiddler. Your talking about consorting with a known
deviat YAK driver. Dude when you go YAK, you'll never go back! Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: Jeff Pritchard <Jeffpritchard@cox.net>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 10/17/2005 8:14:02 PM
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Somebody Stole Dorothy's Slippers
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jeff Pritchard"
> --> <Jeffpritchard@cox.net>
>
> Hey Houndog. Your just what I've been waitin' for! Call me @ 316 371
8562.
>
> Jeff "Fiddler" Pritchard
> CJ6A
> N815BB
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Frank
> Haertlein
> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 7:54 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Somebody Stole Dorothy's Slippers
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Frank Haertlein
<yak52driver@earthlink.net>
>
> Just went from Edwards AFB to Wichita with my 52. It took 5 fuel stops
> to make it.
>
> The Rockies were awsome! First time I ever went this far X-Country
> (1020
> miles) other than commercial.
>
> Hard to believe I've been flying since 87 and never went outside of
> Southwestern US.
>
> Northern AZ is a sight to behold at low level! Met allot of great
> people
all
> along the way.
>
> Anyway, I'm in Wichita for the next year or two. Looking for other
> Yakinators in the area.
>
> As a side note, first hand experience leads me to say that them
Kansasinians
> are real nice people!
>
> Best Regards
> Frank (Houndog) Haertlein
> YAK-52
> N9110M
> Formerly L71
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Val's CJ6 purchase |
Cliff
Real men fly YAK-52's..............pilot anything else and your a slack
jawed faggot!
Frank :)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cliff Umscheid
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Val's CJ6 purchase
Walt Lannon'
Walt, I don't know anything about you or your personal preferences but I can
tell you this, You have missed acouple of shots in your recent effort to
inform yourself and communicate clearly on the above indicated subject.
First, You don't seem to know whether Val is male or female, yet Val clearly
states she is a retired female Delta pilot. Second, you characterize my
communication to Val as "condescendingly", I thought I was being polite and
in fact, I closed with the phrase "warm regards". Nevertheless, you can call
it as you see it. Third, You characterize the T-6 as the only aircraft which
fits the standard of being a "man's"aircraft. The fact is that the T-6 is
not being considered within the group of prospective aircraft purchases by
Miz Val . RTFQ. Fourth, Your assessment of the YAK 50 as a "toy" compared to
the T-6 leads me to believe you are without experience or knowlege in either
aircraft. Possibly you have never even sat in or flown either of them. Many
others have high levels of T-6 time, my experience is a paltry 500 hrs of
instructing time since I did not spend an entire war instructing others.
This is however, sufficient to permit a limited informed comparison of the T
6 and the YAK 50 , which I presently own. Please accept my unbiased
conclusion that the YAK 50 , with its 3600FPM rate of climb from the runway
would---if it were armed--- be forever known as a T-6 killer. Yesterday, a
very confident young fellow in an SNJ tried to bounce me in the 50. It took
about 30 seconds to dispose of his naivete and create a more enlightened,
living aviator, somewhat the more embarrassed for his venturousness. If you
truly regard the 50 as a "toy"" , go sit in one and, if you've got the guts,
LAUNCH yourself with no more than a reading of the manual. If you survive,
come back , then talk to me about the 50 being a TOY, then I'll listen to
your opinion with all due respect.
Regards,
CLIFF
On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 13:04:13 -0500 "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
writes:
Well Walt, now you've done gone and done it! Val's a guy so the she really
is a he who's gotten more than he ever bargained for from this list by
threatening to buy one of those bent wing toys! But since you jumped on the
man's toys thing here with the T-6, SNJ, or Harvard topic, you forgot one
thing. They are STILL TRAINERS for the AF types (and I'm including you NAVEL
aviators and JARINE barnacle scrapers in this loose association of military
pilots too). A real MAN"S TOY is a P-51, YAK-9, F4U, F-86, and the VIPER!
Yeah I know, there are other single seat single engine! fighters out there!
But, since I wrote this drivel, those are my favorites. Have never flown the
first 4 but LOVE the HELL out of the last one! The other 4 just look really
cool sitting on the ramp.
And oh buy the way, The IAK-52 is a damned fun TRAINER to own too! The other
great thing about it is you can take that ROTC cadet that can't make up his
mind if he want s to fly fighters or not kid up and introduce him to a whole
new form of aviation .Flying with an unusual attitude vs straight and level
spam canning! You can't do that with that niffy 50 of yours. Now if you want
a tail dragging family model, get a TW or a TD. But what ever you do don't
leave that future ACE standing on the ramp looking up at you have all the
fun!
So VAl, if you are still lurking out there wondering just what you poked
your nose into here with this list, buy a Red Star aircraft and join in the
fun! They really are a blast for that mid-life crisis and the wives really
appreciate the fact that your mid-life crisis was over a cool airplane and
not the bimbet sitting behind the Hertz desk!
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: Walter Lannon <mailto:wlannon@cablerocket.com>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Val's CJ6 purchase
Cliff;
Perhaps you have information that I have missed since you refer to "Val"
(somewhat condescendingly) as a lady. That may or may not be the case as the
abbreviation "Val" may be for a name that is not gender specific.
I find it difficult to pass up this reply since you have given some very
direct advice to purchase a "MAN's" aeroplane as compared to the less than
masculine training wheel types represented by the CJ and Yak 52.
If that is important to you why don't you recommend the only aircraft that
fits that standard rather than a toy like the Yak 50 ? That is, of course,
the T6, SNJ or Harvard!
Cheers;
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: Cliff <mailto:netmaster15@juno.com> Umscheid
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Val's CJ6 purchase
Val,
Don't listen to that Pappy Goolsby and his slavish devotion to the CJ6, It
took him two airlines to get him to a Captain's seat and now he's passing
out biased information to the Newbies. Besides, you must avoid that FATAL
FEMININE FLAW of making decisions on the basis of emotion instead of logic
and fact. By purchasing a YAK 50 instead of a CJ you show this male
dominated group that you too have the balls to handle a real airplane
without a training wheel up front. Nothing else will demonstrate your male
equivalency of courage and self confidence. Remember, my dear, YOU are the
only flag bearer we have here representing that once noble Delta Airlines
-(once thought to be immune to bankruptgy). We'll all be watching to see
which way you go. Let me say clearly , you will never get the thrill in a CJ
that you will in a YAK 50 when you go balls to the wall at 200kts and slap
that stick hard to the left or right. (use two hands my de ar).
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| Subject: | Fighter Pilot show |
In case you missed the first show, the History Channel is re-airing an
excellent semi- documentary this Friday about four of the greatest dogfights.
Here's the info:
Friday, November 4 @ 8pm ET/PT
Ever imagine what it would be like to participate in the most historic air
battles of all time? Imagine no more. This special puts viewers in the cockpit
to recreate four famous air battles, using computer graphics, animation,
firsthand accounts, and archival footage to make these thrilling and dangerous
dogfights all too real. Each segment begins with an introduction to a pilot as
we
learn of the conflict he is engaged in, the history and technology of the
aircraft that he flies, and the mortal enemy he must face. Then comes the moment
of
contact with the enemy--the fight begins! Experience a computer-generated
recreation of the aerial battle as the voice of the pilot plays out this life and
death combat.
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| Subject: | Re: RE YAK52 BRAKE REDUCING VALVE |
Don't know to many keyhoe surgeons. but I do know a couple of asshole surgeons.
They seem to like looking thru the ass end of those fiberoptic black snakes.
Down here in LA, we call 'em Peeping Toms. I believe up above the Mason Dixon
line, ya'll call 'em Proctologist! In either case they have lots of experience
working in deep dark places.
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: A. Dennis Savarese
Subject: Re: Yak-List: RE YAK52 BRAKE REDUCING VALVE
A dentist is a good person to work on a Yak brake reducing valve since he is used
to looking in a mirror while working. -)
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: David Marsh
Subject: Re: Yak-List: RE YAK52 BRAKE REDUCING VALVE
Thanks for all the encouragement. Now all I need is an experienced keyhole surgeon
......
----- Original Message -----
From: egon
Subject: Yak-List: RE YAK52 BRAKE REDUCING VALVE
Hi Dave. I had exactly the same symptoms in my CJ. I pulled the reducing valve
and tried to fix it to no avail.( Seems to be a fussy little bugger!) I ended
up getting a new one from Doug ...... problem fixed. I think you will find the
Yak valve is identical to the CJ. Good luck.
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| Subject: | Val's CJ6 purchase |
Ho shit...fights on....fights on!!! An we're off an running on the virtues of
our LONGER PITOT TUBES! But I'm really beginning to think I gotta get me a nifty
50. 3600 fpm gives a whole new meaning to going 1 v 2 with RV - 4's! Could
really wear them out with high/low yoyo's and the vertical rolling scissors!
Hum....wonder who's gonna fall off first?
Truth of the matter is if you stay in a 2 v1 fight and turn more than 180 deg.
, you are probably the going to be dead man in that fight. That is assuming you
are flying against comparably trained pilots in comparable iron.
Valkyrie...you still lurking?
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: Frank Haertlein
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Val's CJ6 purchase
Cliff
Real men fly YAK-52's..............pilot anything else and your a slack jawed faggot!
Frank :)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cliff Umscheid
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Val's CJ6 purchase
Walt Lannon'
Walt, I don't know anything about you or your personal preferences but I can tell
you this, You have missed acouple of shots in your recent effort to inform
yourself and communicate clearly on the above indicated subject. First, You don't
seem to know whether Val is male or female, yet Val clearly states she is
a retired female Delta pilot. Second, you characterize my communication to Val
as "condescendingly", I thought I was being polite and in fact, I closed with
the phrase "warm regards". Nevertheless, you can call it as you see it. Third,
You characterize the T-6 as the only aircraft which fits the standard of being
a "man's"aircraft. The fact is that the T-6 is not being considered within
the group of prospective aircraft purchases by Miz Val . RTFQ. Fourth, Your assessment
of the YAK 50 as a "toy" compared to the T-6 leads me to believe you
are without experience or knowlege in either aircraft. Possibly you have never
even sat in or flown either of them. Many others ha
ve high levels of T-6 time, my experience is a paltry 500 hrs of instructing time
since I did not spend an entire war instructing others. This is however, sufficient
to permit a limited informed comparison of the T 6 and the YAK 50 ,
which I presently own. Please accept my unbiased conclusion that the YAK 50 ,
with its 3600FPM rate of climb from the runway
would---if it were armed--- be forever known as a T-6 killer. Yesterday, a very
confident young fellow in an SNJ tried to bounce me in the 50. It took about
30 seconds to dispose of his naivete and create a more enlightened, living aviator,
somewhat the more embarrassed for his venturousness. If you truly regard
the 50 as a "toy"" , go sit in one and, if you've got the guts, LAUNCH yourself
with no more than a reading of the manual. If you survive, come back , then
talk to me about the 50 being a TOY, then I'll listen to your opinion with all
due respect.
Regards,
CLIFF
On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 13:04:13 -0500 "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com> writes:
Well Walt, now you've done gone and done it! Val's a guy so the she really is a
he who's gotten more than he ever bargained for from this list by threatening
to buy one of those bent wing toys! But since you jumped on the man's toys thing
here with the T-6, SNJ, or Harvard topic, you forgot one thing. They are STILL
TRAINERS for the AF types (and I'm including you NAVEL aviators and JARINE
barnacle scrapers in this loose association of military pilots too). A real
MAN"S TOY is a P-51, YAK-9, F4U, F-86, and the VIPER! Yeah I know, there are
other single seat single engine! fighters out there! But, since I wrote this drivel,
those are my favorites. Have never flown the first 4 but LOVE the HELL
out of the last one! The other 4 just look really cool sitting on the ramp.
And oh buy the way, The IAK-52 is a damned fun TRAINER to own too! The other great
thing about it is you can take that ROTC cadet that can't make up his mind
if he want s to fly fighters or not kid up and introduce him to a whole new
form of aviation .Flying with an unusual attitude vs straight and level spam canning!
You can't do that with that niffy 50 of yours. Now if you want a tail
dragging family model, get a TW or a TD. But what ever you do don't leave that
future ACE standing on the ramp looking up at you have all the fun!
So VAl, if you are still lurking out there wondering just what you poked your nose
into here with this list, buy a Red Star aircraft and join in the fun! They
really are a blast for that mid-life crisis and the wives really appreciate
the fact that your mid-life crisis was over a cool airplane and not the bimbet
sitting behind the Hertz desk!
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: Walter Lannon
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Val's CJ6 purchase
Cliff;
Perhaps you have information that I have missed since you refer to "Val" (somewhat
condescendingly) as a lady. That may or may not be the case as the abbreviation
"Val" may be for a name that is not gender specific.
I find it difficult to pass up this reply since you have given some very direct
advice to purchase a "MAN's" aeroplane as compared to the less than masculine
training wheel types represented by the CJ and Yak 52.
If that is important to you why don't you recommend the only aircraft that fits
that standard rather than a toy like the Yak 50 ? That is, of course, the T6,
SNJ or Harvard!
Cheers;
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: Cliff Umscheid
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Val's CJ6 purchase
Val,
Don't listen to that Pappy Goolsby and his slavish devotion to the CJ6, It took
him two airlines to get him to a Captain's seat and now he's passing out biased
information to the Newbies. Besides, you must avoid that FATAL FEMININE FLAW
of making decisions on the basis of emotion instead of logic and fact. By
purchasing a YAK 50 instead of a CJ you show this male dominated group that you
too have the balls to handle a real airplane without a training wheel up front.
Nothing else will demonstrate your male equivalency of courage and self
confidence. Remember, my dear, YOU are the only flag bearer we have here representing
that once noble Delta Airlines -(once thought to be immune to bankruptgy).
We'll all be watching to see which way you go. Let me say clearly , you
will never get the thrill in a CJ that you will in a YAK 50 when you go balls
to the wall at 200kts and slap that stick hard to the left or right. (use two
hands my de ar).
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I had the pleasure of spending part of the day today with Val Walker
(Valkerie) today. After looking at some airplanes and a lite lunch the
clouds broke enough to let us launch in my CJ. This was the third time
in a CJ for Val, but the first time doing a lot of things with the
controls in her own hands. Leaving the hangar she drove the 3,000 feet
to 17 and the run-up area. She did the best newbie taxi job I=92ve seen
keeping us dead center with no duck walking or sudden departures toward
the ditch.
We watched a 172 do a touch and go =96 the only other airplane in the area
=96 and we were off climbing at 2,000 fpm to 2,500 to get us above the
scattered layer. Then it was an hour of turns, lazy-8s, cloud dancing
and rolls almost entirely with her flying. A landing back at Aurora
and it was her turn for the take off and landing sequence. After
assuring her that we had been cleared onto 17 and for take-off (there is
a tower over at McMinnville, about 23 miles away, but old habits take
awhile to change) we were off for a good take off and a very nice
landing.
She is a good stick, and once she gets over this occasional need for an
AI to confirm bank angle she will be right at home. I might add that
her CRM is excellent as was mine =96 I was the picture of professional
courtesy remembering that she is a Black Belt in Karate =96 CRM takes on
whole new perspectives as may future formation debriefs.
Kidding aside, it was a pleasure to meet her and fly with her and I hope
you all have the opportunity as well.
I have sent a photo to the photo share address and include one here.
Batman
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