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1. 12:09 AM - "What's my Contribution used for?" [PLEASE READ!] (Matt Dralle)
2. 12:56 AM - Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 11/03/05 (Rob Kent)
3. 04:15 AM - The DC ADIZ NPRM (alan@reichertech.com)
4. 05:03 AM - Re: Val's CJ expedition & Batman flies (Steve & Donna Hanshew)
5. 06:29 AM - Sukhoi Lifetime (Richard Goode)
6. 07:02 AM - Re: The DC ADIZ NPRM (Frank Haertlein)
7. 07:49 AM - Test only (Kevin Pilling)
8. 07:49 AM - Re: The DC ADIZ NPRM (Brian Lloyd)
9. 08:21 AM - (Two) M-14P engines for sale (Priced right) (Mark Schrick)
10. 08:39 AM - Re: Fw: Fw: FIGHTER PILOT'S REPORT - THE F-22 RAPTOR (Roger Kemp)
11. 08:42 AM - DC ADIZ NPRM (Frank Haertlein)
12. 08:53 AM - Re: Sukhoi Lifetime (Roger Kemp)
13. 08:57 AM - Re: Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 11/03/05 (Roger Kemp)
14. 09:03 AM - Re: DC ADIZ NPRM (A. Dennis Savarese)
15. 09:06 AM - Re: The DC ADIZ NPRM (Genzlinger, Reade)
16. 09:08 AM - Val meets Batman and the Sow's ear. (Roger Kemp)
17. 10:03 AM - Fw: Re: Sukoi (Richard Basiliere)
18. 10:27 AM - Buenos Aires (Doug Sapp)
19. 10:50 AM - fuel tank question (ron wasson)
20. 11:08 AM - Re: fuel tank question (Ernest Martinez)
21. 11:28 AM - Re: Val's CJ expedition & Batman flies (Walter Lannon)
22. 11:37 AM - Re: fuel tank question (Walter Lannon)
23. 12:33 PM - Re: fuel tank question (Brian Lloyd)
24. 12:45 PM - Re: fuel tank question (ron wasson)
25. 12:49 PM - Re: Val's CJ expedition & Batman flies (JOE HOWSE)
26. 01:01 PM - Re: fuel tank question (ron wasson)
27. 01:26 PM - Parachute (ANDREWS)
28. 01:31 PM - Re: fuel tank question (Brian Lloyd)
29. 01:51 PM - Re: fuel tank question (ron wasson)
30. 02:01 PM - Re: fuel tank question (Jim Bernier)
31. 02:51 PM - Re: The DC ADIZ NPRM (cjpilot710@aol.com)
32. 03:32 PM - Sam Sax (Doug Sapp)
33. 04:52 PM - A little Levity for the List (Frank Haertlein)
34. 08:07 PM - Re: Fw: Fw: FIGHTER PILOT'S REPORT - THE F-22 RAPTOR (Scott Glaser)
35. 08:57 PM - Re: Val's CJ expedition & Batman flies (Cliff Umscheid)
36. 09:47 PM - Re: Val's CJ expedition & Batman flies (Roger Kemp)
37. 09:48 PM - Re: Fw: Fw: FIGHTER PILOT'S REPORT - THE F-22 RAPTOR (Roger Kemp)
38. 11:15 PM - Re: Val's CJ expedition & Batman flies (Brian Lloyd)
39. 11:34 PM - Re: (Two) M-14P engines for sale (Priced right) (Mark Schrick)
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| Subject: | "What's my Contribution used for?" [PLEASE READ!] |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
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| Subject: | Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 11/03/05 |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Rob Kent" <rkent@wlacrussianeng.co.uk>
In response to Docs query about flying time. The following link is a picture
of the relevant paragraph in the Su-29 maintenance manual, as referred to in
the letter from SDB.
http://systemlinux.co.uk/images/Su-29%20Maint%20Man%20sect%20005.000.000%20Page1%20June30-94.JPG
This seems to indicate that flight times where the aircraft has been under 6
or more G's should be multiplied by 5. What is not very clear is if the
total flight time should be multiplied by 5 or just that part of the flight
where aircraft has been under load by 6 or more G's. The Russians are
effectively saying that this particular aircraft has around 100 or more
hours under a 6G load. This would mean that the time in the log book is
around 400 hours short.
Regards
Rob Kent
Stores Manager
WLAC - Russian Engineering
www.wlacrussianeng.co.uk
Tel: +44 1628 829 165
Fax: +44 1628 828 961
> Time: 08:15:18 AM PST US
> From: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Information from FAA on SU-29
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>
> Ok, it maybe a matter of translation here but, this particular SU-29 had
> 1296 landings and 930 hours "total flight hours". It has not exceeded the
> 1250 hours for design limits. Just picking hairs off a knat's ass here.
> The
> MORE important issue is that spar attachment brackets are breaking and the
> fleet needs to be inspected for this.
> We are lucky to be experimental but it has the attention of the FAA. So I
> would recommend compliance before it bites us all on the posterior.
> Now do we all need to account for our acro time on our YAK's and CJ's too?
> Doc
> Time: 09:50:12 AM PST US
> From: "Richard Basiliere" <BasiliereR@ci.boulder.co.us>
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Information from FAA on SU-29
>
> Doc;
> Maybe its because the Russians count "flight time" as the time from
> wheels off to wheels back on - taxi time included/excluded for "total
> flight hours"??. Think of how many different ways we log the time -
> Hobbs (engine start/shut down), Tach time (engine time adjusted for
> rpm), Air tach (wheels up/wheels down, or airspeed vane), probably more.
> Oh yeah, Fed definition - "from the time a/c moves under its own power
> for the intent of flight..." 'til back at the chocks.
>
> BTW, the akro (main fuel) tank for the -29 is 60 litres and the
> Russians typically fly 20-28 minute flights (t/o to ldg) also limited by
> fuel and physiology - typically +9, -6g's per flight
>
> I've flown this -29. It has been used extensively for student
> training. Nik let one of the World teams use it at the WAC in Lakeland
> also. So, it has been "rode hard" but well maintained - never "put away
> wet".
>
> Looks like I have something to do with my -29...in my spare time...
>
> On logging akro time, the Russians require it and got me started early
> with this habit (obsessive/compulsive???)
>
> Ricky b
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| Subject: | The DC ADIZ NPRM |
--> Yak-List message posted by: alan@reichertech.com
Hello, All!
Please pardon this intrusion. This note is not specific to your
particular list, but regardless of what you are building, restoring, or
flying, an issue exists that could potentially affect all of you who fly
in the United States. That issue is the Washington DC ADIZ.
This ADIZ was put into effect as a temporary protective measure for
Washington DC airspace after 9/11. There is now an NPRM out to make this
airspace *permanent*.
The original comment period for this NPRM expired yesterday, November 2.
However, the FAA has now extended the comment period for another 90 days,
so if you did not get your comments in, HERE IS YOUR CHANCE!
Information on the ADIZ, and why we are fighting it, can be found here:
http://www.aopa.org/adizalert/
I live underneath the current DC ADIZ, so I get to play with this every
time I fly. The AOPA page above gives a good summary of what has happened
in this area since it's inception.
Help on formulating comments for this NPRM can be found here:
http://www.aopa.org/adizalert/help.html
Comments on this NPRM can be submitted (online) to the DOT here:
http://dms.dot.gov/submit/
Instructions on how to navigate and fill out the DOT page to submit your
comments are available here:
http://www.aopa.org/adizalert/faa_help.html
There are over 18000 comments against this NPRM at this time. If yours is
not one of them, please take the time now to submit your comments; every
one helps. If this ADIZ becomes permanent, then there could be an ADIZ
coming to an airspace near you in the future!
I thank Matt for allowing me to send this to you. Even if you don't live
near the DC area, please do what you can to protect your flying
priviledges... submit your comments!
Regards,
-- Alan Reichert
C-182 Driver/RV-8 Builder
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| Subject: | Val's CJ expedition & Batman flies |
When I first saw ours, I thought, What in Gods name did I just do? After
sinking a 10K down payment it looked like a platoon of Chinese Earl Schiebs
had mopped it with paint and it even had a pack of Chinese smokes stuck into
a corner of the wing root. The tires wouldnt pass muster on a J-3, and the
Chinese canopy glass looked liked they routinely cleaned it with steel wool.
The saving grace; it ran like a top. That was over 11 years ago and still
compresses in the high 70s, albeit wearing better paint and smoked American
glass. Its kind of like a blind date. Initial impressions would make one
flee the scene, but who knows whats underneath? If everything is up to
snuff, itll run like a Rolex, even though it looks like an 8 dollar
Armitron. Once you start sprucing it up with all of the little niceties, you
wont even mind taking it to the prom.
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Valkyre1
Subject: Yak-List: Val's CJ expedition & Batman flies
Hey Guys,
I'm back from Portland, having looked at the CJ I went to see. All I
could do was to look at it because it hasn't had an annual inspection or
been flown for at least two years.
The owner has two other CJ6s being constructed, two new kids, and a
business to run. It's a good looking machine but other than that and the
information provided by the owner and my trusted friend Skip, I don't really
know much about it.
The Nanchang is a 1974, with a nice paint job, about 2900 hrs in China
with the AF, and 87 hrs on the engine SMOH. It is well equipped and
apparently has all of the paperwork and repairs done except for an annual
inspection.
The CJ has the small dents and dings that you would expect from shipping
and usage, but there are some slight rippling bulges on the tops of the
wings that concern me a bit, simply because of their length and shape.
I don't know enough to know if I'm looking at something to worry about
or something normal for an aircraft this old.
There was some concern as well because it had not been flown in so long,
and I don't know how often or how regularly it was run up during that time
on the ground either.
The owner made me the offer to sell it as-is and have me pay for the
annual/per-purchase inspection for $65K or do it himself for $75K.
Tempting as it is, I'm not easy with buying an aircraft that I haven't
flown and that hasn't been in the air for that long. Any ideas O' Wise ones
of the Yak List?
An unexpected gift on this expedition was the opportunity to meet and
fly with "the Batman".
Hal was in the area and offered to introduce me to his CJ6 Mechanic
Par Excellence, Shane. Everything that goes on in that hanger is impeccable
and the dynamic Duo seem intent on creating some sort of Master Race of
Nanchangs in there.
The best and worst part of the expedition was the opportunity to fly
with Batman in his gorgeous #8. (Sorry guys....but it IS gorgeous!) I'm
talking 360 hp 3 bladed prop, cockpit of your dreams gorgeous! I don't even
mind that it's a Russian paint scheme on a Chinese Nanchang.
Hal is not only an excellent and patient instructor, but a very brave
man. Having never met me before, he was willing to put his machine in my
hands and talk me through "having my way with it". And nooo, in spite of
Hal's feigned fear of my black belt, I think he was just being gracious.
After getting over the initial panic of realizing I was supposed to
fly this thing without an attitude indicator (Horrors!), Batman got my head
out of the cockpit and had me doing aileron rolls and wingovers. I then
realized a great truth of flying that I had forgotten "Pilots don't need no
stinking attitude indicators!" and this was really FUN.
Well hey guys, Delta always frowned on us doing loops and rolls in
the 767 and insisted we keep the blue on top of the little round thingy on
the panel. Like Hal said, old habits die hard.
I got to play around the clouds like ma Delta never allowed either
and Batman put up with my girlish whoops and giggles when I got the rolls
right. The best part of all this was getting to know Hal, and remembering
why I had gotten into this flying business in the first place.
The worst part of all of this was that my modest desire for a simple
and basic but sturdy Nanchang was temporarily overwhelmed by my growing lust
for this particular CJ6. Am I wrong for coveting such a machine?
I don't suppose Hal would consider taking my first born and only 19
year old son as a down payment.
All in all it was a great trip and I can't thank Hal enough for taking
me under his wing, so to speak. The more I find out about these aircraft the
more I realize there is to learn, so I'm going to try to slow down and curb
my enthusiasm a bit while I look around and learn.
I did phone Doug Sapp with some more questions which he knowledgeably
answered for me. This is truly a remarkable group of people.
I am and will continue to still be "Lurking about" the Yak List and
keep you posted.
Fraternally, -Val
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Sukhoi "Lifetime"
Sukhoi Design Bureau said to me in Moscow that aerobatic time is factored by five
- i.e. one "aerobatic hour" should be recorded as five hours!
I have now found their formal definition - which is in volume one of the Su-29
maintenance manual. It says:
"The actual flying time in flight hours is summed with the accumulated flying time
with exception of those flight hours when the positive vertical acceleration
in the aircraft centre of gravity was exceeded even for once (over + - 6G).
In such cases the actual flying time (while summing) should be multiplied
by 5!".
To take it to the extreme they clearly cannot be saying that a three hour cross
country flight in which 6G is pulled once should count as fifteen hours. Therefore,
my interpretation is that the ONLY time that should be factored by five
is that time when the aircraft is actually being flown at more than +/- 6G -
i.e. a relatively small portion of even a formal aerobatic sequence.
In passing there is a formal inspection procedure, including ultrasonic testing
for composite parts; magnetic testing for metal ones which we would be very happy
to e-mail free to anyone interested. (We in Europe have to observe this
in order to continue flying).=20
Best regards
Richard
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Herefordshire
HR5 3LW
United Kingdom
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Mob: +44 (0) 7768 610389
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
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| Subject: | The DC ADIZ NPRM |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Alan
Creating the DC ADIZ is going to happen. Anyone want to make bets?
Frank
PS Actually, I'm done with this topic..................
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
alan@reichertech.com
Subject: Yak-List: The DC ADIZ NPRM
--> Yak-List message posted by: alan@reichertech.com
Hello, All!
Please pardon this intrusion. This note is not specific to your particular
list, but regardless of what you are building, restoring, or flying, an
issue exists that could potentially affect all of you who fly in the United
States. That issue is the Washington DC ADIZ.
This ADIZ was put into effect as a temporary protective measure for
Washington DC airspace after 9/11. There is now an NPRM out to make this
airspace *permanent*.
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| Subject: | Re: The DC ADIZ NPRM |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Frank Haertlein wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
>
> Alan
> Creating the DC ADIZ is going to happen. Anyone want to make bets?
> Frank
> PS Actually, I'm done with this topic..................
The DC ADIZ is an evil piece of airspace. My folks live in DC and I regularly
fly into and out of Gaithersburg. Getting in and out is scary because I spend
my entire time worrying about doing something wrong. When I am at G'burg I
regularly see the Blackhawk landing to grill some hapless pilot who made a
mistake in his/her procedures. To say that it sucks is putting it very mildly.
The appropriate words are not fit for polite company.
You are probably right Frank, the ADIZ will likely become permanent along with
the rest of the government's institutional paranoia. Still, we should fight it
as we should fight for all our rights. And it will be tough. Norm Minetta,
Secretary of Transportation, is a long-time family friend. My father has
spoken with him on a number of occasions on topics that relate to our flying
and found him notably unresponsive. (At that time we were working for approval
for pilots to be able to carry sidearms in the cockpit.) This is interesting
because when my father and Norm were congressmen together, Norm would come to
my father for his opinion on aviation matters. No, this is *NOT* an
aviation-friendly administration.
The point is, it is going to take a very loud voice to get the attention of
this administration. They do pay attention to people who write letters and
even more attention to people who write checks. Think about it.
And there is another thing: several of our CJ/Yak bretheren live in the shadow
of this evil airspace, Al "Da Bear" DeVere and Mike "Blade" Filucci come
immediately to mind. We should do what we can to help them. All it costs is a
letter or an email. Oh, and perhaps a campaign contribution to your Congress
Critter if he or she supports aviation.
--
Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
brian-yak@lloyd.com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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| Subject: | (Two) M-14P engines for sale (Priced right) |
0.12 X_PRIORITY_HIGH Sent with 'X-Priority' set to high
Dear YAKers,
I have two M-14P engines for sale. Both have had a prop strike in grass
runways in Russia. I have Russian log books and both are in engines crates for
storage as a spare or to use on a CJ-6 conversation.
Both engines are under 1000 hours on first over hauls and all components. If
you know anything about these engines you will find that everyone just places
a new prop on these engines and fly's away.
New engines are going for $26,000 (360 HP) to $38,000 for the new 450HP.
These engines are considerable less than that. Save money now for Aeromotors
is raising prices for overhauls to $17,000 in January 2006. Pay less than an
overhaul.
I will accept the best offer for the engines but before November 25th.
Thank you for the consideration.
Mark "SHREK" Schrick
YAK DRIVER, LLC
Aerostar Dealer of (New) Yak 52TW
Fully Restored USED Yak 52's "We meet anyone's budget!!!
REDSTAR Pilot Assoc. Active member
966 Wallace Drive
San Jose, Ca 95120-1848
Hm/Fax 408-323-5150
Cell 408-391-6664
Email <mailto:schrick@pacbell.net> schrick@pacbell.net
Website <http://www.yakdriver.com/> www.YAKDRIVER.com
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| Subject: | Fwd: Fw: FIGHTER PILOT'S REPORT - THE F-22 RAPTOR |
Pappy,
The author of that report is here at Maxwell AFB in the Air War College. He has
climbed all over my YAK and told me a heart beat why we can not get more than
180 kts out of her no matter how much power we give. He gave a talk to my guys
in the 160th before we went to Tyndall to be Raptor bait for the school house
there. We need that airframe in our inventory in large numbers!
That bird is truely the one ship you can walk thru the valley of death and fear
no evil with! You know what your adversary is doing before he does and you are
hundreds of miles away. But, in super sonic cruise in mil power, you are moving
so fast you are ruining your enemies life in a few heartbeats! My guys
,Vipers (the king of the frecking Hill < 5years ago), died wholesale never seeing
the Raptors! We only saw them when we joined up for RTB.
Just think, while slinking thru your enemies backyard by the time he sees you...
you are out of weapons range and you have rearranged all his furniture in his
favorite palace adding a whole new meaning to having a bad day in theTheocracy.
Doc
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From:
Subject: Yak-List: Fwd: Fw: FIGHTER PILOT'S REPORT - THE F-22 RAPTOR
Ok You "fighter pilots" read this and tell me who's the hot shit in the air.
I've seen the future and we an't in it!
Pappy
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Brian Lloyed
Gotta say my respect for you has just grown 1000%. Anyone who has fought for
the rights of pilots to be armed in the cockpit deserves my highest praise.
Why do I say that? Because I've fought my own battles in Calif. only to have
seen my rights infringed and slowly slipped away in the name of public
safety. Just like what their doing with the DC ADIZ. I've learned one
thing....when government gets a mind to do something, nothing short of a
"1994 like" sea change in politics is going to affect change. It's like the
immigration issue (partly responsible for our current state of affairs with
the ADIZ) .......politicians will not do a thing damm thing about it.
The overwhelming trend for the last 100 years has been for increased
restrictions on our rights and freedoms as the population grows and third
world peoples bring their problems to our shores.
I can cite to you example after example of freedoms lost.
No fly zones around the Grand Canyon.
The proposed Washington DC ADIZ.
Stricter regulations against jet warbird owners.
Can't fly to any other airport without permission if your warbird is more
than 800 horsepower.
Huge NO SPORT FISHING zones around California.
Huge tracts of public land in the west made off limits (no hunting, camping,
hiking, sightseeing...no nothing!)
Closure of public roads into the national forests so we can't go there.
You can't own this rifle.
You can't own this handgun.
You can't buy this car here.
You can't buy that land there.
You can't farm your own land because of a yellow bellied sapsucker.
You can't sell or develop or build your own house on your own land because
of a yellow bellied sapsucker.
Gotta wear a helmet when riding.
Gotta wear a seatbelt.
Ad nauseum...............
When it comes to flying I'd be willing to bet the old timers could cite
example after example of the loss of their freedoms over the years. As
fliers we have to be vigilant of the governments overwhelming trend to
reduce our freedoms. That's why subjects like this I think are appropriate
for the list. We have to be aware of this trend and fight it wherever we
find it! I cherish my flying. If they make it illegal then I'll become a
criminal.
When I got my private ticket in 87 I had plans to one day fly the Grand
Canyon. They made that illegal with exceptions only to Indian owned
sightseeing tours. To me that's a load of s.... I'll make you a promise. One
day I'm going to see one of the great wonders of the world. I'm gonna fly
the Grand Canyon no matter what the f-in law says.
Frank
N9110M
YAK-52
Immigration from violent middle east countries into the US is still
happening.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd
Subject: Re: Yak-List: The DC ADIZ NPRM
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Frank Haertlein wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
> --> <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
>
> Alan
> Creating the DC ADIZ is going to happen. Anyone want to make bets?
> Frank
> PS Actually, I'm done with this topic..................
The DC ADIZ is an evil piece of airspace. My folks live in DC and I
regularly
fly into and out of Gaithersburg. Getting in and out is scary because I
spend
my entire time worrying about doing something wrong. When I am at G'burg I
regularly see the Blackhawk landing to grill some hapless pilot who made a
mistake in his/her procedures. To say that it sucks is putting it very
mildly.
The appropriate words are not fit for polite company.
You are probably right Frank, the ADIZ will likely become permanent along
with
the rest of the government's institutional paranoia. Still, we should fight
it
as we should fight for all our rights. And it will be tough. Norm Minetta,
Secretary of Transportation, is a long-time family friend. My father has
spoken with him on a number of occasions on topics that relate to our flying
and found him notably unresponsive. (At that time we were working for
approval
for pilots to be able to carry sidearms in the cockpit.) This is interesting
because when my father and Norm were congressmen together, Norm would come
to
my father for his opinion on aviation matters. No, this is *NOT* an
aviation-friendly administration.
The point is, it is going to take a very loud voice to get the attention of
this administration. They do pay attention to people who write letters and
even more attention to people who write checks. Think about it.
And there is another thing: several of our CJ/Yak bretheren live in the
shadow
of this evil airspace, Al "Da Bear" DeVere and Mike "Blade" Filucci come
immediately to mind. We should do what we can to help them. All it costs is
a
letter or an email. Oh, and perhaps a campaign contribution to your Congress
Critter if he or she supports aviation.
--
Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
brian-yak@lloyd.com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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Thanks Richard. Please forward that info.
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Goode
Subject: Yak-List: Sukhoi Lifetime
Sukhoi "Lifetime"
Sukhoi Design Bureau said to me in Moscow that aerobatic time is factored by five
- i.e. one "aerobatic hour" should be recorded as five hours!
I have now found their formal definition - which is in volume one of the Su-29
maintenance manual. It says:
"The actual flying time in flight hours is summed with the accumulated flying time
with exception of those flight hours when the positive vertical acceleration
in the aircraft centre of gravity was exceeded even for once (over + - 6G).
In such cases the actual flying time (while summing) should be multiplied
by 5!".
To take it to the extreme they clearly cannot be saying that a three hour cross
country flight in which 6G is pulled once should count as fifteen hours. Therefore,
my interpretation is that the ONLY time that should be factored by five
is that time when the aircraft is actually being flown at more than +/- 6G -
i.e. a relatively small portion of even a formal aerobatic sequence.
In passing there is a formal inspection procedure, including ultrasonic testing
for composite parts; magnetic testing for metal ones which we would be very happy
to e-mail free to anyone interested. (We in Europe have to observe this
in order to continue flying).
Best regards
Richard
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Herefordshire
HR5 3LW
United Kingdom
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Mob: +44 (0) 7768 610389
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
dangerous content by http://www.invictawiz.com
and is believed to be clean.
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| Subject: | Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 11/03/05 |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Thanks Rob..will look at it.
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: Rob Kent <rkent@wlacrussianeng.co.uk>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 11/4/2005 2:55:11 AM
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Yak-List Digest: 13 Msgs - 11/03/05
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Rob Kent" <rkent@wlacrussianeng.co.uk>
>
> In response to Docs query about flying time. The following link is a
picture
> of the relevant paragraph in the Su-29 maintenance manual, as referred to
in
> the letter from SDB.
>
http://systemlinux.co.uk/images/Su-29%20Maint%20Man%20sect%20005.000.000%20P
age1%20June30-94.JPG
> This seems to indicate that flight times where the aircraft has been
under 6
> or more G's should be multiplied by 5. What is not very clear is if the
> total flight time should be multiplied by 5 or just that part of the
flight
> where aircraft has been under load by 6 or more G's. The Russians are
> effectively saying that this particular aircraft has around 100 or more
> hours under a 6G load. This would mean that the time in the log book is
> around 400 hours short.
>
> Regards
>
> Rob Kent
> Stores Manager
> WLAC - Russian Engineering
> www.wlacrussianeng.co.uk
>
> Tel: +44 1628 829 165
> Fax: +44 1628 828 961
>
> > Time: 08:15:18 AM PST US
> > From: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Information from FAA on SU-29
> >
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> >
> > Ok, it maybe a matter of translation here but, this particular SU-29 had
> > 1296 landings and 930 hours "total flight hours". It has not exceeded
the
> > 1250 hours for design limits. Just picking hairs off a knat's ass here.
> > The
> > MORE important issue is that spar attachment brackets are breaking and
the
> > fleet needs to be inspected for this.
> > We are lucky to be experimental but it has the attention of the FAA. So
I
> > would recommend compliance before it bites us all on the posterior.
> > Now do we all need to account for our acro time on our YAK's and CJ's
too?
> > Doc
> > Time: 09:50:12 AM PST US
> > From: "Richard Basiliere" <BasiliereR@ci.boulder.co.us>
> > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Information from FAA on SU-29
> >
> > Doc;
> > Maybe its because the Russians count "flight time" as the time from
> > wheels off to wheels back on - taxi time included/excluded for "total
> > flight hours"??. Think of how many different ways we log the time -
> > Hobbs (engine start/shut down), Tach time (engine time adjusted for
> > rpm), Air tach (wheels up/wheels down, or airspeed vane), probably more.
> > Oh yeah, Fed definition - "from the time a/c moves under its own power
> > for the intent of flight..." 'til back at the chocks.
> >
> > BTW, the akro (main fuel) tank for the -29 is 60 litres and the
> > Russians typically fly 20-28 minute flights (t/o to ldg) also limited by
> > fuel and physiology - typically +9, -6g's per flight
> >
> > I've flown this -29. It has been used extensively for student
> > training. Nik let one of the World teams use it at the WAC in Lakeland
> > also. So, it has been "rode hard" but well maintained - never "put away
> > wet".
> >
> > Looks like I have something to do with my -29...in my spare time...
> >
> > On logging akro time, the Russians require it and got me started early
> > with this habit (obsessive/compulsive???)
> >
> > Ricky b
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: DC ADIZ NPRM |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese@elmore.rr.com>
If the DC ADIZ becomes permanent, which I sincerely hope it does not, the
precedent will be set for many other major cities within Class B airspace
like LAX, SFO, ATL, NYC and of course Mayor Daly to insist that his city is
just as vulnerable as DC and demand an ADIZ be implemented. The left wing
mayors are sitting in their big, leather office chairs rocking back and
forth with a smirk on their face, just waiting with their arms folded for
this to happen.
You can bet I wrote my letter and I hope everyone else who lurks or
contributes to this list will do the same. Mark my words, if it becomes
permanent more will be popping up across the country.
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
Subject: Yak-List: DC ADIZ NPRM
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
> <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
>
> Brian Lloyed
>
> Gotta say my respect for you has just grown 1000%. Anyone who has fought
> for
> the rights of pilots to be armed in the cockpit deserves my highest
> praise.
> Why do I say that? Because I've fought my own battles in Calif. only to
> have
> seen my rights infringed and slowly slipped away in the name of public
> safety. Just like what their doing with the DC ADIZ. I've learned one
> thing....when government gets a mind to do something, nothing short of a
> "1994 like" sea change in politics is going to affect change. It's like
> the
> immigration issue (partly responsible for our current state of affairs
> with
> the ADIZ) .......politicians will not do a thing damm thing about it.
>
> The overwhelming trend for the last 100 years has been for increased
> restrictions on our rights and freedoms as the population grows and third
> world peoples bring their problems to our shores.
>
> I can cite to you example after example of freedoms lost.
>
> No fly zones around the Grand Canyon.
> The proposed Washington DC ADIZ.
> Stricter regulations against jet warbird owners.
> Can't fly to any other airport without permission if your warbird is more
> than 800 horsepower.
> Huge NO SPORT FISHING zones around California.
> Huge tracts of public land in the west made off limits (no hunting,
> camping,
> hiking, sightseeing...no nothing!)
> Closure of public roads into the national forests so we can't go there.
> You can't own this rifle.
> You can't own this handgun.
> You can't buy this car here.
> You can't buy that land there.
> You can't farm your own land because of a yellow bellied sapsucker.
> You can't sell or develop or build your own house on your own land because
> of a yellow bellied sapsucker.
> Gotta wear a helmet when riding.
> Gotta wear a seatbelt.
> Ad nauseum...............
>
> When it comes to flying I'd be willing to bet the old timers could cite
> example after example of the loss of their freedoms over the years. As
> fliers we have to be vigilant of the governments overwhelming trend to
> reduce our freedoms. That's why subjects like this I think are appropriate
> for the list. We have to be aware of this trend and fight it wherever we
> find it! I cherish my flying. If they make it illegal then I'll become a
> criminal.
>
> When I got my private ticket in 87 I had plans to one day fly the Grand
> Canyon. They made that illegal with exceptions only to Indian owned
> sightseeing tours. To me that's a load of s.... I'll make you a promise.
> One
> day I'm going to see one of the great wonders of the world. I'm gonna fly
> the Grand Canyon no matter what the f-in law says.
>
> Frank
> N9110M
> YAK-52
>
>
> Immigration from violent middle east countries into the US is still
> happening.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd
> Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 9:49 AM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: The DC ADIZ NPRM
>
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
>
>
> Frank Haertlein wrote:
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
>> --> <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
>>
>> Alan
>> Creating the DC ADIZ is going to happen. Anyone want to make bets?
>> Frank
>> PS Actually, I'm done with this topic..................
>
> The DC ADIZ is an evil piece of airspace. My folks live in DC and I
> regularly
> fly into and out of Gaithersburg. Getting in and out is scary because I
> spend
> my entire time worrying about doing something wrong. When I am at G'burg I
> regularly see the Blackhawk landing to grill some hapless pilot who made a
> mistake in his/her procedures. To say that it sucks is putting it very
> mildly.
> The appropriate words are not fit for polite company.
>
> You are probably right Frank, the ADIZ will likely become permanent along
> with
> the rest of the government's institutional paranoia. Still, we should
> fight
> it
> as we should fight for all our rights. And it will be tough. Norm Minetta,
> Secretary of Transportation, is a long-time family friend. My father has
> spoken with him on a number of occasions on topics that relate to our
> flying
>
> and found him notably unresponsive. (At that time we were working for
> approval
> for pilots to be able to carry sidearms in the cockpit.) This is
> interesting
>
> because when my father and Norm were congressmen together, Norm would come
> to
> my father for his opinion on aviation matters. No, this is *NOT* an
> aviation-friendly administration.
>
> The point is, it is going to take a very loud voice to get the attention
> of
> this administration. They do pay attention to people who write letters and
> even more attention to people who write checks. Think about it.
>
> And there is another thing: several of our CJ/Yak bretheren live in the
> shadow
> of this evil airspace, Al "Da Bear" DeVere and Mike "Blade" Filucci come
> immediately to mind. We should do what we can to help them. All it costs
> is
> a
> letter or an email. Oh, and perhaps a campaign contribution to your
> Congress
>
> Critter if he or she supports aviation.
>
> --
> Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
> brian-yak@lloyd.com Folsom, CA 95630
> +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
>
> I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
> - Antoine de Saint-Exupery
>
>
>
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| Subject: | The DC ADIZ NPRM |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Genzlinger, Reade" <ReadeG@Cairnwood.com>
Brian:
I agree completely -
> The DC ADIZ is an evil piece of airspace.
You're being very polite!
> The appropriate words are not fit for polite company.
Like I said - very polite!
> Still, we should fight it as we should fight for all our rights.
This is the key - comments should not just go the FAA NPRM web site for the
DC ADIZ but to each Senator and Congressman. It's worth the time to do it.
AOPA web site walks you though the steps http://www.aopa.org/.
> The point is, it is going to take a very loud voice to get
> the attention of this administration. They do pay attention
> to people who write letters
Let's make it really loud - there 400,000 pilots - that's potential for a
lot of noise. So far 18,000 have sent comments to FAA. Comment period has
been extended another 90 days.
Reade
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| Subject: | Val meets Batman and the Sow's ear. |
Val,
You could not imagine the thoughts I had when I saw the first pictures on my YAK
sitting in outdoor storage at a DOSAF in somewhere Russia. No prop, missing
instruments, flat tires, glazed canopy and what else??? It went to Lithuania (ANABAR-yes..Mark
..Lituarus) and it did take a year to get it over here to Lower
ALabama. I have had a blast with that airplane ever since. They took a Sow's
ear and turned it into a Silk Purse!
Looks are only skin deep with a good overhall facility.
Doc
Roger "Doc" Kemp
viperdoc@mindspring.com
Aint no sound like a Radial
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Done, sir.
>>> "Gus Fraser" <fraseg@comcast.net> 11/4/2005 10:22:12 AM >>>
Rick could you forward this to the Yak list for me as I am not at work
today.
Thanks
Gus
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Basiliere [mailto:BasiliereR@ci.boulder.co.us]
Subject: Re: Sukoi
Gus;
No, I had not, thank you. I do have a request in to Nik to see about
getting mine to his place for the spar thingy and maybe an Annual.
Maybe I'll hear from him today.
Thanks, Rick
>>> "Gus Fraser" <fraseg@comcast.net> 11/4/2005 5:23:16 AM >>>
Rick I guess you saw this from IAC yesterday ?
<http://www.notasukhoi.com/sme/index.php?topic=105.0>
Gus
Flying is not inherently dangerous, but to an even greater extent than
the sea, it is terribly unforgiving of carelessness, incapacity, or
neglect.
Captain A. G. Lamplugh
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MessageDoes anyone in our Yak community have any contacts in Buenos Aires,
Argentina that might result in my finding some one who might do a engine
inspection for me? I need someone to inspect several M14's before they are
shipped stateside.
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
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| Subject: | fuel tank question |
--> Yak-List message posted by: ron wasson <ronwasson@mindspring.com>
I plan on using a fuselage aux tank in a CJ. It is 18 gals and is
mounted on the adf rack. Pulls out of the aircraft just like the adf
did. My question is this . I plan on running a 4 foot AN8 hose from
the Aux to the header tank bottom water drain that has a fitting
installed. There will be a one way check valve at the header tank and
a quick disconnect at the aux tank with a automatic close. The aux
tanks lowest point is 11 inches above the highest part of the main
tanks. If the aux tank and mains are full then my reasoning is the
aux will feed first till empty then the mains . The only fuel left in
the aux would be the short distance the hose is below the header tank
fuel level. If the main tanks to header tank check valves leak then
the back-flow might fill the main tank vent system up to the level of
the aux tank. It should not leak as the main tank vent loop in the
front cockpit is well above the aux tank. The aux tank is vented to
the old wet battery vent by a quick disconnect line. Anyone have any
input on my assumptions and plumbing. I would like to keep the system
dirt simple with no pump, fuel valves, fuel gauge, and removable in
ten minutes.
ronwasson@mindspring.com
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| Subject: | Re: fuel tank question |
Sounds good to me, send specs if it works, I wouldnt mind doing that mod
myself. Post pics when done.
Ernie
On 11/4/05, ron wasson <ronwasson@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: ron wasson <ronwasson@mindspring.com>
>
> I plan on using a fuselage aux tank in a CJ. It is 18 gals and is
> mounted on the adf rack. Pulls out of the aircraft just like the adf
> did. My question is this . I plan on running a 4 foot AN8 hose from
> the Aux to the header tank bottom water drain that has a fitting
> installed. There will be a one way check valve at the header tank and
> a quick disconnect at the aux tank with a automatic close. The aux
> tanks lowest point is 11 inches above the highest part of the main
> tanks. If the aux tank and mains are full then my reasoning is the
> aux will feed first till empty then the mains . The only fuel left in
> the aux would be the short distance the hose is below the header tank
> fuel level. If the main tanks to header tank check valves leak then
> the back-flow might fill the main tank vent system up to the level of
> the aux tank. It should not leak as the main tank vent loop in the
> front cockpit is well above the aux tank. The aux tank is vented to
> the old wet battery vent by a quick disconnect line. Anyone have any
> input on my assumptions and plumbing. I would like to keep the system
> dirt simple with no pump, fuel valves, fuel gauge, and removable in
> ten minutes.
>
>
> ronwasson@mindspring.com
>
>
books.com>
> ,
>!
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Val's CJ expedition & Batman flies |
Hi Val;
Welcome aboard!
After flying with Hal in #8 I am sure you are now a CJ6 devotee. Unless you want
to do hard aerobatics the CJ is a great choice and #8 is a great CJ, definately
one of the best! But if you can live without 360 HP I have a very nice, fully
restored and low time 285HP available for sale. It is in Canada and about
one hour (by road) north of Doug Sapp. Contact me off list if you would like
more info and/or a visit to the "great white north".
Your comments on the other CJ you looked at are interesting. If those ripples on
the upper wing surface look a little like waves and are oriented at about 45
Degs. you should walk away. I can't be sure without seeing but your description
suggests positive "G" overload.
Cheers;
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: Valkyre1
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 11:20 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Val's CJ expedition & Batman flies
Hey Guys,
I'm back from Portland, having looked at the CJ I went to see. All I could
do was to look at it because it hasn't had an annual inspection or been flown
for at least two years.
The owner has two other CJ6s being constructed, two new kids, and a business
to run. It's a good looking machine but other than that and the information
provided by the owner and my trusted friend Skip, I don't really know much about
it.
The Nanchang is a 1974, with a nice paint job, about 2900 hrs in China with
the AF, and 87 hrs on the engine SMOH. It is well equipped and apparently has
all of the paperwork and repairs done except for an annual inspection.
The CJ has the small dents and dings that you would expect from shipping
and usage, but there are some slight rippling bulges on the tops of the wings
that concern me a bit, simply because of their length and shape.
I don't know enough to know if I'm looking at something to worry about or
something normal for an aircraft this old.
There was some concern as well because it had not been flown in so long,
and I don't know how often or how regularly it was run up during that time on
the ground either.
The owner made me the offer to sell it as-is and have me pay for the annual/per-purchase
inspection for $65K or do it himself for $75K.
Tempting as it is, I'm not easy with buying an aircraft that I haven't
flown and that hasn't been in the air for that long. Any ideas O' Wise ones of
the Yak List?
An unexpected gift on this expedition was the opportunity to meet and fly
with "the Batman".
Hal was in the area and offered to introduce me to his CJ6 Mechanic Par
Excellence, Shane. Everything that goes on in that hanger is impeccable and the
dynamic Duo seem intent on creating some sort of Master Race of Nanchangs in
there.
The best and worst part of the expedition was the opportunity to fly with
Batman in his gorgeous #8. (Sorry guys....but it IS gorgeous!) I'm talking 360
hp 3 bladed prop, cockpit of your dreams gorgeous! I don't even mind that it's
a Russian paint scheme on a Chinese Nanchang.
Hal is not only an excellent and patient instructor, but a very brave man.
Having never met me before, he was willing to put his machine in my hands
and talk me through "having my way with it". And nooo, in spite of Hal's feigned
fear of my black belt, I think he was just being gracious.
After getting over the initial panic of realizing I was supposed to fly
this thing without an attitude indicator (Horrors!), Batman got my head out of
the cockpit and had me doing aileron rolls and wingovers. I then realized a
great truth of flying that I had forgotten "Pilots don't need no stinking attitude
indicators!" and this was really FUN.
Well hey guys, Delta always frowned on us doing loops and rolls in the
767 and insisted we keep the blue on top of the little round thingy on the panel.
Like Hal said, old habits die hard.
I got to play around the clouds like ma Delta never allowed either and
Batman put up with my girlish whoops and giggles when I got the rolls right.
The best part of all this was getting to know Hal, and remembering why I had gotten
into this flying business in the first place.
The worst part of all of this was that my modest desire for a simple and
basic but sturdy Nanchang was temporarily overwhelmed by my growing lust for
this particular CJ6. Am I wrong for coveting such a machine?
I don't suppose Hal would consider taking my first born and only 19 year
old son as a down payment.
All in all it was a great trip and I can't thank Hal enough for taking
me under his wing, so to speak. The more I find out about these aircraft the more
I realize there is to learn, so I'm going to try to slow down and curb my
enthusiasm a bit while I look around and learn.
I did phone Doug Sapp with some more questions which he knowledgeably answered
for me. This is truly a remarkable group of people.
I am and will continue to still be "Lurking about" the Yak List and keep
you posted.
Fraternally, -Val
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| Subject: | Re: fuel tank question |
Probably no wants to hear this but adding more fuel to the fuselage, particularly
aft of the occupants and with a removeable system, is for obvious reasons,
flirting with disaster.
In addition since it is a disposable load, particularly at the location mentioned.
it becomes a weight and balance nightmare that could also kill you.
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: Ernest Martinez
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 11:07 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: fuel tank question
Sounds good to me, send specs if it works, I wouldnt mind doing that mod myself.
Post pics when done.
Ernie
On 11/4/05, ron wasson <ronwasson@mindspring.com> wrote:
--> Yak-List message posted by: ron wasson <ronwasson@mindspring.com>
I plan on using a fuselage aux tank in a CJ. It is 18 gals and is
mounted on the adf rack. Pulls out of the aircraft just like the adf
did. My question is this . I plan on running a 4 foot AN8 hose from
the Aux to the header tank bottom water drain that has a fitting
installed. There will be a one way check valve at the header tank and
a quick disconnect at the aux tank with a automatic close. The aux
tanks lowest point is 11 inches above the highest part of the main
tanks. If the aux tank and mains are full then my reasoning is the
aux will feed first till empty then the mains . The only fuel left in
the aux would be the short distance the hose is below the header tank
fuel level. If the main tanks to header tank check valves leak then
the back-flow might fill the main tank vent system up to the level of
the aux tank. It should not leak as the main tank vent loop in the
front cockpit is well above the aux tank. The aux tank is vented to
the old wet battery vent by a quick disconnect line. Anyone have any
input on my assumptions and plumbing. I would like to keep the system
dirt simple with no pump, fuel valves, fuel gauge, and removable in
ten minutes.
ronwasson@mindsprinThis Month -- Terrific Free Incentive Gifts provided Builder's Bookstore www.buildersbsp; * HomebuiltHELP http://www.matronics.com/contribution -Matt - The Yak-List k-List
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| Subject: | Re: fuel tank question |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
ron wasson wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: ron wasson <ronwasson@mindspring.com>
>
> I plan on using a fuselage aux tank in a CJ. It is 18 gals and is
> mounted on the adf rack. Pulls out of the aircraft just like the adf
> did.
Everything you say sounds pretty good. The only caveat I can think of is
whether the low head pressure will be sufficient to open the check valve. You
might find more of your aux fuel unusable than you had planned.
Be sure to put in some kind of gauge that will let you see if you are feeding
fuel from the aux tank.
108 lbs of fuel on the ADF rack will help move the CG to where it belongs when
the tank is full but your CG will move forward as the tank drains. If you have
someone in back and then luggage behind the rear seat, you might be looking at
the possibility of a rear CG issue. But as long as you think about it you
shouldn't have a problem.
Quick disconnect fittings make me nervous. Frankly I would want valves that
were very positive in their operation, probably one on the aux tank and one on
the rest of the system.
--
Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
brian-yak@lloyd.com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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| Subject: | Re: fuel tank question |
Thanks for the feedback. WB it helps a lot. The CJ is at its forward
limit even with a lot of lead in the tail. The adf weight of 37
pounds and was in for acro. Tank is 121 pounds and not installed
during acro. The header tank is 1.4 gal under seat with 3 aluminum
lines to spill from. After soaking in 1.4 gals worth does it matter
about 18 more. 757 has 5000 plus in the center tank. Tank with be
refilled by pulling the tank six inches out to clear the cap from the
fuselage. Tank is held by the adf rack and the the ADF pin on the
bottom of the tank to the A/C. Time has proven the rack can hold 37 x
6 = 222 pounds during acro. Tank is made out of 1/8 thick diamond
plate and has aircraft fuel foam. Cost will be well under $1000. This
for me but I will be glad to help if someone wants one. Again thanks
for the feedback as I don't want to miss anything.
ron wasson
ronwasson@mindspring.com
On Nov 4, 2005, at 1:35 PM, Walter Lannon wrote:
> Probably no wants to hear this but adding more fuel to the
> fuselage, particularly aft of the occupants and with a removable
> system, is for obvious reasons, flirting with disaster.
>
> In addition since it is a disposable load, particularly at the
> location mentioned. it becomes a weight and balance nightmare that
> could also kill you.
>
> Walt
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| Subject: | Re: Val's CJ expedition & Batman flies |
Val
If you are looking for a CJ6 with the M!4P engine,
mine is for sale, contact me off list.
Joe
joeh@shaw.ca
----- Original Message -----
From: Valkyre1
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 11:20 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Val's CJ expedition & Batman flies
Hey Guys,
I'm back from Portland, having looked at the CJ I went to see. All I could
do was to look at it because it hasn't had an annual inspection or been flown
for at least two years.
The owner has two other CJ6s being constructed, two new kids, and a business
to run. It's a good looking machine but other than that and the information
provided by the owner and my trusted friend Skip, I don't really know much about
it.
The Nanchang is a 1974, with a nice paint job, about 2900 hrs in China with
the AF, and 87 hrs on the engine SMOH. It is well equipped and apparently has
all of the paperwork and repairs done except for an annual inspection.
The CJ has the small dents and dings that you would expect from shipping
and usage, but there are some slight rippling bulges on the tops of the wings
that concern me a bit, simply because of their length and shape.
I don't know enough to know if I'm looking at something to worry about or
something normal for an aircraft this old.
There was some concern as well because it had not been flown in so long,
and I don't know how often or how regularly it was run up during that time on
the ground either.
The owner made me the offer to sell it as-is and have me pay for the annual/per-purchase
inspection for $65K or do it himself for $75K.
Tempting as it is, I'm not easy with buying an aircraft that I haven't
flown and that hasn't been in the air for that long. Any ideas O' Wise ones of
the Yak List?
An unexpected gift on this expedition was the opportunity to meet and fly
with "the Batman".
Hal was in the area and offered to introduce me to his CJ6 Mechanic Par
Excellence, Shane. Everything that goes on in that hanger is impeccable and the
dynamic Duo seem intent on creating some sort of Master Race of Nanchangs in
there.
The best and worst part of the expedition was the opportunity to fly with
Batman in his gorgeous #8. (Sorry guys....but it IS gorgeous!) I'm talking 360
hp 3 bladed prop, cockpit of your dreams gorgeous! I don't even mind that it's
a Russian paint scheme on a Chinese Nanchang.
Hal is not only an excellent and patient instructor, but a very brave man.
Having never met me before, he was willing to put his machine in my hands
and talk me through "having my way with it". And nooo, in spite of Hal's feigned
fear of my black belt, I think he was just being gracious.
After getting over the initial panic of realizing I was supposed to fly
this thing without an attitude indicator (Horrors!), Batman got my head out of
the cockpit and had me doing aileron rolls and wingovers. I then realized a
great truth of flying that I had forgotten "Pilots don't need no stinking attitude
indicators!" and this was really FUN.
Well hey guys, Delta always frowned on us doing loops and rolls in the
767 and insisted we keep the blue on top of the little round thingy on the panel.
Like Hal said, old habits die hard.
I got to play around the clouds like ma Delta never allowed either and
Batman put up with my girlish whoops and giggles when I got the rolls right.
The best part of all this was getting to know Hal, and remembering why I had gotten
into this flying business in the first place.
The worst part of all of this was that my modest desire for a simple and
basic but sturdy Nanchang was temporarily overwhelmed by my growing lust for
this particular CJ6. Am I wrong for coveting such a machine?
I don't suppose Hal would consider taking my first born and only 19 year
old son as a down payment.
All in all it was a great trip and I can't thank Hal enough for taking
me under his wing, so to speak. The more I find out about these aircraft the more
I realize there is to learn, so I'm going to try to slow down and curb my
enthusiasm a bit while I look around and learn.
I did phone Doug Sapp with some more questions which he knowledgeably answered
for me. This is truly a remarkable group of people.
I am and will continue to still be "Lurking about" the Yak List and keep
you posted.
Fraternally, -Val
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| Subject: | Re: fuel tank question |
--> Yak-List message posted by: ron wasson <ronwasson@mindspring.com>
I want a check valve to protect the header tank if the aux tank line
leaks. I am worried also that the valve will restrict flow. It sure
would be nice not to run the lines all the way out to the top of the
main tanks. A gauge would be nice but just one more thing to screw
with. If the main gauges don't move for about a hour plus than it
used the aux. I don't plan on long overwater where landing is not a
option. The quick release are used by car racers and make it easy to
pull the tank all the way out without a fuel spill. Not running the
line all the way to the front cockpit, adding a shutoff than all the
way back to the header gets rid of ten feet of hose to leak.
ron wasson
ronwasson@mindspring.com
On Nov 4, 2005, at 2:32 PM, Brian Lloyd wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
>
> ron wasson wrote:
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: ron wasson <ronwasson@mindspring.com>
>> I plan on using a fuselage aux tank in a CJ. It is 18 gals and is
>> mounted on the adf rack. Pulls out of the aircraft just like the
>> adf did.
>
> Everything you say sounds pretty good. The only caveat I can think
> of is whether the low head pressure will be sufficient to open the
> check valve. You might find more of your aux fuel unusable than you
> had planned.
>
> Be sure to put in some kind of gauge that will let you see if you
> are feeding fuel from the aux tank.
>
> 108 lbs of fuel on the ADF rack will help move the CG to where it
> belongs when the tank is full but your CG will move forward as the
> tank drains. If you have someone in back and then luggage behind
> the rear seat, you might be looking at the possibility of a rear CG
> issue. But as long as you think about it you shouldn't have a problem.
>
> Quick disconnect fittings make me nervous. Frankly I would want
> valves that were very positive in their operation, probably one on
> the aux tank and one on the rest of the system.
>
> --
> Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
> brian-yak@lloyd.com Folsom, CA 95630
> +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
>
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Looking for a Strong or softie squadron (seat pack) parachute for sale contact
me off line at dandmaz@cox.net
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| Subject: | Re: fuel tank question |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
ron wasson wrote:
> The quick release are used by car racers and make it easy to pull the
> tank all the way out without a fuel spill. Not running the line all the
> way to the front cockpit, adding a shutoff than all the way back to the
> header gets rid of ten feet of hose to leak.
No, that wasn't what I was suggesting. I was suggesting two petcocks, one at
the line to the header tank and one at the aux tank. There would be no
increase in line length but when you pull your aux tank you will be able to
close both your aux tank and your header tank. The petcocks would only be
accessible when you are working on your aux tank.
--
Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
brian-yak@lloyd.com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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| Subject: | Re: fuel tank question |
--> Yak-List message posted by: ron wasson <ronwasson@mindspring.com>
Thanks I will look at that.
ron wasson
ronwasson@mindspring.com
On Nov 4, 2005, at 3:31 PM, Brian Lloyd wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
>
> ron wasson wrote:
>
>> The quick release are used by car racers and make it easy to pull
>> the tank all the way out without a fuel spill. Not running the
>> line all the way to the front cockpit, adding a shutoff than all
>> the way back to the header gets rid of ten feet of hose to leak.
>
> No, that wasn't what I was suggesting. I was suggesting two
> petcocks, one at the line to the header tank and one at the aux
> tank. There would be no increase in line length but when you pull
> your aux tank you will be able to close both your aux tank and your
> header tank. The petcocks would only be accessible when you are
> working on your aux tank.
>
> --
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| Subject: | Re: fuel tank question |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Bernier" <JBernier@dart.org>
Pondering this scenario brings one question to mind. When the aux. tank runs dry,
which fuel line will have the least back pressure? The one way valves in the
belly tank may offer more restriction then the aux. tank feed line. This would
cause the aux. tank fuel line to feed even though air was the only thing passing
through. You may find that your 58 gal. of usable just went to 18 gal. Somehow
you have to be sure that you can draw from the main tanks only when you
want to. Two means come to mind. 1. Place a valve in line for the feed line.
2. Place a valve on the vent line. Use a normally closed solenoid valve. If you
lose electrical power you want to draw from the most fuel available. And I would
definitely get a fuel gauge and make the tank fixed, not removable. Aerobatics
with the aux. tank in and empty is no problem. I would also vent the area.
Open the one under the emergency bottle. At least I think that's were its at.
Jim B.
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| Subject: | Re: The DC ADIZ NPRM |
In a message dated 11/4/2005 10:50:38 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
brian-yak@lloyd.com writes:
It was just reported that Minette was going to extend the comment period on
the DC ADIZ. It was also reported that some 18,000 responses (mine included
I hope) have been filed against it so far. You 'Westies' may think this
isn't a bother for you, but the big concern that EAA or AOPA is spouting is that
the big cities will want to follow suit "Hay Washington's got it. Why can't
we?). I believe they are right. We just need this shit all over the rest of
the country.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Frank Haertlein wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein"
<yak52driver@earthlink.net>
>
> Alan
> Creating the DC ADIZ is going to happen. Anyone want to make bets?
> Frank
> PS Actually, I'm done with this topic..................
The DC ADIZ is an evil piece of airspace. My folks live in DC and I
regularly
fly into and out of Gaithersburg. Getting in and out is scary because I
spend
my entire time worrying about doing something wrong. When I am at G'burg I
regularly see the Blackhawk landing to grill some hapless pilot who made a
mistake in his/her procedures. To say that it sucks is putting it very
mildly.
The appropriate words are not fit for polite company.
You are probably right Frank, the ADIZ will likely become permanent along
with
the rest of the government's institutional paranoia. Still, we should fight
it
as we should fight for all our rights. And it will be tough. Norm Minetta,
Secretary of Transportation, is a long-time family friend. My father has
spoken with him on a number of occasions on topics that relate to our flying
and found him notably unresponsive. (At that time we were working for
approval
for pilots to be able to carry sidearms in the cockpit.) This is interesting
because when my father and Norm were congressmen together, Norm would come
to
my father for his opinion on aviation matters. No, this is *NOT* an
aviation-friendly administration.
The point is, it is going to take a very loud voice to get the attention of
this administration. They do pay attention to people who write letters and
even more attention to people who write checks. Think about it.
And there is another thing: several of our CJ/Yak bretheren live in the
shadow
of this evil airspace, Al "Da Bear" DeVere and Mike "Blade" Filucci come
immediately to mind. We should do what we can to help them. All it costs is
a
letter or an email. Oh, and perhaps a campaign contribution to your Congress
Critter if he or she supports aviation.
--
Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
brian-yak@lloyd.com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Doug Sapp" <rvfltd@televar.com>
Who has a current email for Sam Sax?
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jim Bernier
Subject: Re: Yak-List: fuel tank question
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Bernier" <JBernier@dart.org>
Pondering this scenario brings one question to mind. When the aux. tank runs
dry, which fuel line will have the least back pressure? The one way valves
in the belly tank may offer more restriction then the aux. tank feed line.
This would cause the aux. tank fuel line to feed even though air was the
only thing passing through. You may find that your 58 gal. of usable just
went to 18 gal. Somehow you have to be sure that you can draw from the main
tanks only when you want to. Two means come to mind. 1. Place a valve in
line for the feed line. 2. Place a valve on the vent line. Use a normally
closed solenoid valve. If you lose electrical power you want to draw from
the most fuel available. And I would definitely get a fuel gauge and make
the tank fixed, not removable. Aerobatics with the aux. tank in and empty is
no problem. I would also vent the area. Open the one under the emergency
bottle. At least I think that's were its at.
Jim B.
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| Subject: | A little Levity for the List |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
A little levity for the YAK LIST.......................Enjoy!
NOTE: Please take time to read this slowly.
These types of events take place at rodeos, carnivals, church festivals,
etc. It doesn't matter whether you are "a real rodeo or chili" aficionado or
simply a "wanna be" who might have dated a cowboy, Mexican or carnie.
There is an actual Chili cook-off about the time the rodeo comes to town in
Houston . It takes up a major portion of the parking lot at the Astrodome.
The notes are from an inexperienced chili taster named Frank, who was
visiting Texas from the East Coast:
Frank: "Recently, I was honored to be selected as a judge at a chili
cook-off. The original person called in sick at the last moment and I
happened to be standing there at the judge's table asking directions to the
Budweiser truck, when the call came in. I was assured by the other two
judges (NativeTexans) that the chili wouldn't be all that spicy and,
besides, they told me I could have free beer during the tasting, so I
accepted."
Here are the scorecards from the event:
Chili # 1 Mike's Maniac Mobster Monster Chili
Judge # 1 A little too heavy on the tomato. Amusing kick.
Judge # 2 Nice, smooth tomato flavor. Very mild.
Judge # 3 (Frank) Holy shit, what the hell is this stuff? You could remove
dried paint from your driveway. Took me two beers to put the flames out. I
hope that's the worst one. These Texans are crazy.
Chili # 2 Arthur's Afterburner Chili
Judge # 1 -- Smoky, with a hint of pork. Slight jalapeno tang.
Judge # 2 -- Exciting BBQ flavor, needs more peppers to be taken seriously.
Judge # 3 -- Keep this out of the reach of children. I'm not sure what I'm
supposed to taste besides pain. I had to wave off two people who wanted to
give me the Heimlich maneuver. They had to rush in more beer when they saw
the look on my face.
Chili # 3 Fred's Famous Burn Down the Barn Chili
Judge # 1 - Excellent firehouse chili. Great kick. Needs more beans.
Judge # 2 -- A bean less chili, a bit salty, good use of peppers
Judge # 3 -- Call the EPA. I've located a uranium spill. My nose feels like
I have been snorting Drano. Everyone knows the routine by now. Get me more
beer before I ignite. Barmaid pounded me on the back, now my backbone is in
the front part of my chest. I'm getting shit-faced from all of the beer.
Chili # 4 Bubba's Black Magic
Judge # 1 -- Black bean chili with almost no spice. Disappointing.
Judge # 2 -- Hint of lime in the black beans. Good side dish for fish or
other mild foods, not much of a chili.
Judge # 3 -- I felt something scraping across my tongue, but was unable to
taste it. Is it possible to burn out taste buds? Sally, the barmaid, was
standing behind me with fresh refills. That 300-LB. Lady is starting to look
HOT-just like this nuclear waste I'm eating. Is chili an aphrodisiac?
Chili # 5 Linda's Legal Lip Remover
Judge # 1 -- Meaty, strong chili. Cayenne peppers freshly ground, adding
considerable kick. Very impressive.
Judge # 2 -- Chili using shredded beef, could use more tomato. Must admit
the cayenne peppers make a strong statement.
Judge # 3 -- My ears are ringing, sweat is pouring off my forehead and I can
no longer focus my eyes. I farted and four people behind me needed
paramedics. The contestant seemed offended when I told her that her chili
had given me brain damage. Sally saved my tongue from bleeding by pouring
beer directly on it from the pitcher. I wonder if I'm burning my lips off.
It really pisses me off that the other judges asked me to stop screaming.
Screw those rednecks.
Chili # 6 Vera's Very Vegetarian Variety
Judge # 1 -- Thin yet bold vegetarian variety chili. Good balance of spices
and peppers.
Judge # 2 -- The best yet. Aggressive use of peppers, onions, and garlic.
Superb.
Judge # 3 -- My intestines are now a straight pipe filled with gaseous,
sulfuric flames. I shit myself when I farted and I'm worried it will eat
through the chair. No one seems inclined to stand behind me except that
Sally. She must be kinkier than I thought. Can't feel my lips anymore. I
need to wipe my ass with a snow cone.
Chili # 7 Susan's Screaming Sensation Chili
Judge # 1 -- A mediocre chili with too much reliance on canned peppers.
Judge # 2 -- Ho hum, tastes as if the chef literally threw in a can of chili
peppers at the last moment. I should take note that I am worried about Judge
# 3. He appears to be in a bit of distress as he is cursing uncontrollably.
Judge # 3 -- You could put a grenade in my mouth, pull the pin, and I
wouldn't feel a thing. I've lost sight in one eye, and the world sounds like
it is made of rushing water. My shirt is covered with chili which slid
unnoticed out of my mouth. My pants are full of lava like shit to match my
shirt. At least during the autopsy, they'll know what killed me. I've
decided to stop breathing, its too painful. Screw it, I'm not getting any
oxygen anyway. If I need air, I'll just suck it in through the 4-inch hole
in my stomach.
Chili #8 Tommy's Toenail Curling Chili
Judge # 1 -- The perfect ending, this is a nice blend chili. Not too bold
but spicy enough to declare its existence.
Judge # 2 -- This final entry is a good, balanced chili. Neither mild or
hot. Sorry to see that most of it was lost when Judge # 3 passed out, fell
over and pulled the chili pot down on top of himself. Not sure if he's going
to make it. Poor dude, wonder how he'd have reacted to really hot chili?
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| Subject: | Re: Val's CJ expedition & Batman flies |
Val,
Glad to learn you are enthused about this type of flying, Now that you
have flown with Hal, I request equal time and hope you will fly with me
in my Nifty YAK 50. We can do that same good stuff in the 50 and I'm
sure you'll emit all those "girlish whoops and giggles" born of sheer
joy, pleasure and reckless abandon. "Come Fly with me-----" (Whose
theme song was that anyway?) and Dare to compare.
Warm Regards,
Cliff
On Fri, 4 Nov 2005 00:20:03 -0700 "Valkyre1" <Valkyre1@comcast.net>
writes:
Hey Guys,
I'm back from Portland, having looked at the CJ I went to see. All I
could do was to look at it because it hasn't had an annual inspection or
been flown for at least two years.
The owner has two other CJ6s being constructed, two new kids, and a
business to run. It's a good looking machine but other than that and the
information provided by the owner and my trusted friend Skip, I don't
really know much about it.
The Nanchang is a 1974, with a nice paint job, about 2900 hrs in
China with the AF, and 87 hrs on the engine SMOH. It is well equipped and
apparently has all of the paperwork and repairs done except for an annual
inspection.
The CJ has the small dents and dings that you would expect from
shipping and usage, but there are some slight rippling bulges on the tops
of the wings that concern me a bit, simply because of their length and
shape.
I don't know enough to know if I'm looking at something to worry
about or something normal for an aircraft this old.
There was some concern as well because it had not been flown in so
long, and I don't know how often or how regularly it was run up during
that time on the ground either.
The owner made me the offer to sell it as-is and have me pay for the
annual/per-purchase inspection for $65K or do it himself for $75K.
Tempting as it is, I'm not easy with buying an aircraft that I
haven't flown and that hasn't been in the air for that long. Any ideas
O' Wise ones of the Yak List?
An unexpected gift on this expedition was the opportunity to meet
and fly with "the Batman".
Hal was in the area and offered to introduce me to his CJ6 Mechanic
Par Excellence, Shane. Everything that goes on in that hanger is
impeccable and the dynamic Duo seem intent on creating some sort of
Master Race of Nanchangs in there.
The best and worst part of the expedition was the opportunity to fly
with Batman in his gorgeous #8. (Sorry guys....but it IS gorgeous!) I'm
talking 360 hp 3 bladed prop, cockpit of your dreams gorgeous! I don't
even mind that it's a Russian paint scheme on a Chinese Nanchang.
Hal is not only an excellent and patient instructor, but a very
brave man. Having never met me before, he was willing to put his machine
in my hands and talk me through "having my way with it". And nooo, in
spite of Hal's feigned fear of my black belt, I think he was just being
gracious.
After getting over the initial panic of realizing I was supposed to
fly this thing without an attitude indicator (Horrors!), Batman got my
head out of the cockpit and had me doing aileron rolls and wingovers. I
then realized a great truth of flying that I had forgotten "Pilots don't
need no stinking attitude indicators!" and this was really FUN.
Well hey guys, Delta always frowned on us doing loops and rolls in
the 767 and insisted we keep the blue on top of the little round thingy
on the panel. Like Hal said, old habits die hard.
I got to play around the clouds like ma Delta never allowed either
and Batman put up with my girlish whoops and giggles when I got the rolls
right. The best part of all this was getting to know Hal, and remembering
why I had gotten into this flying business in the first place.
The worst part of all of this was that my modest desire for a
simple and basic but sturdy Nanchang was temporarily overwhelmed by my
growing lust for this particular CJ6. Am I wrong for coveting such a
machine?
I don't suppose Hal would consider taking my first born and only 19
year old son as a down payment.
All in all it was a great trip and I can't thank Hal enough for
taking me under his wing, so to speak. The more I find out about these
aircraft the more I realize there is to learn, so I'm going to try to
slow down and curb my enthusiasm a bit while I look around and learn.
I did phone Doug Sapp with some more questions which he
knowledgeably answered for me. This is truly a remarkable group of
people.
I am and will continue to still be "Lurking about" the Yak List and
keep you posted.
Fraternally, -Val
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United.
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: Cliff Umscheid
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Val's CJ expedition & Batman flies
Val,
Glad to learn you are enthused about this type of flying, Now that you have flown
with Hal, I request equal time and hope you will fly with me in my Nifty YAK
50. We can do that same good stuff in the 50 and I'm sure you'll emit all those
"girlish whoops and giggles" born of sheer joy, pleasure and reckless abandon.
"Come Fly with me-----" (Whose theme song was that anyway?) and Dare
to compare.
Warm Regards,
Cliff
On Fri, 4 Nov 2005 00:20:03 -0700 "Valkyre1" <Valkyre1@comcast.net> writes:
Hey Guys,
I'm back from Portland, having looked at the CJ I went to see. All I could
do was to look at it because it hasn't had an annual inspection or been flown
for at least two years.
The owner has two other CJ6s being constructed, two new kids, and a business
to run. It's a good looking machine but other than that and the information
provided by the owner and my trusted friend Skip, I don't really know much about
it.
The Nanchang is a 1974, with a nice paint job, about 2900 hrs in China with
the AF, and 87 hrs on the engine SMOH. It is well equipped and apparently has
all of the paperwork and repairs done except for an annual inspection.
The CJ has the small dents and dings that you would expect from shipping and
usage, but there are some slight rippling bulges on the tops of the wings that
concern me a bit, simply because of their length and shape.
I don't know enough to know if I'm looking at something to worry about or something
normal for an aircraft this old.
There was some concern as well because it had not been flown in so long, and
I don't know how often or how regularly it was run up during that time on the
ground either.
The owner made me the offer to sell it as-is and have me pay for the annual/per-purchase
inspection for $65K or do it himself for $75K.
Tempting as it is, I'm not easy with buying an aircraft that I haven't flown
and that hasn't been in the air for that long. Any ideas O' Wise ones of
the Yak List?
An unexpected gift on this expedition was the opportunity to meet and fly
with "the Batman".
Hal was in the area and offered to introduce me to his CJ6 Mechanic Par Excellence,
Shane. Everything that goes on in that hanger is impeccable and the
dynamic Duo seem intent on creating some sort of Master Race of Nanchangs in
there.
The best and worst part of the expedition was the opportunity to fly with
Batman in his gorgeous #8. (Sorry guys....but it IS gorgeous!) I'm talking 360
hp 3 bladed prop, cockpit of your dreams gorgeous! I don't even mind that it's
a Russian paint scheme on a Chinese Nanchang.
Hal is not only an excellent and patient instructor, but a very brave man.
Having never met me before, he was willing to put his machine in my hands and
talk me through "having my way with it". And nooo, in spite of Hal's feigned
fear of my black belt, I think he was just being gracious.
After getting over the initial panic of realizing I was supposed to fly this
thing without an attitude indicator (Horrors!), Batman got my head out of
the cockpit and had me doing aileron rolls and wingovers. I then realized a great
truth of flying that I had forgotten "Pilots don't need no stinking attitude
indicators!" and this was really FUN.
Well hey guys, Delta always frowned on us doing loops and rolls in the 767
and insisted we keep the blue on top of the little round thingy on the panel.
Like Hal said, old habits die hard.
I got to play around the clouds like ma Delta never allowed either and Batman
put up with my girlish whoops and giggles when I got the rolls right. The
best part of all this was getting to know Hal, and remembering why I had gotten
into this flying business in the first place.
The worst part of all of this was that my modest desire for a simple and
basic but sturdy Nanchang was temporarily overwhelmed by my growing lust for this
particular CJ6. Am I wrong for coveting such a machine?
I don't suppose Hal would consider taking my first born and only 19 year
old son as a down payment.
All in all it was a great trip and I can't thank Hal enough for taking me
under his wing, so to speak. The more I find out about these aircraft the more
I realize there is to learn, so I'm going to try to slow down and curb my enthusiasm
a bit while I look around and learn.
I did phone Doug Sapp with some more questions which he knowledgeably answered
for me. This is truly a remarkable group of people.
I am and will continue to still be "Lurking about" the Yak List and keep
you posted.
Fraternally, -Val
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Scott Glaser
No, Collin Miller is though.
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Glaser
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Fwd: Fw: FIGHTER PILOT'S REPORT - THE F-22 RAPTOR
Doc,
Is Randy Neville at AWC? Last I talked to him he was on his way to Seattle?
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: Roger Kemp
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Fwd: Fw: FIGHTER PILOT'S REPORT - THE F-22 RAPTOR
Pappy,
The author of that report is here at Maxwell AFB in the Air War College. He has
climbed all over my YAK and told me a heart beat why we can not get more than
180 kts out of her no matter how much power we give. He gave a talk to my guys
in the 160th before we went to Tyndall to be Raptor bait for the school house
there. We need that airframe in our inventory in large numbers!
That bird is truely the one ship you can walk thru the valley of death and fear
no evil with! You know what your adversary is doing before he does and you are
hundreds of miles away. But, in super sonic cruise in mil power, you are moving
so fast you are ruining your enemies life in a few heartbeats! My guys
,Vipers (the king of the frecking Hill < 5years ago), died wholesale never seeing
the Raptors! We only saw them when we joined up for RTB.
Just think, while slinking thru your enemies backyard by the time he sees you...
you are out of weapons range and you have rearranged all his furniture in his
favorite palace adding a whole new meaning to having a bad day in theTheocracy.
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From:
Subject: Yak-List: Fwd: Fw: FIGHTER PILOT'S REPORT - THE F-22 RAPTOR
Ok You "fighter pilots" read this and tell me who's the hot shit in the air.
I've seen the future and we an't in it!
Pappy
_-
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Cliff Umscheid wrote:
> "Come Fly with me-----" (Whose
> theme song was that anyway?) and Dare to compare.
Sinatra. ;-)
And I like "Fly Me To The Moon" better.
--
Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
brian-yak@lloyd.com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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| Subject: | (Two) M-14P engines for sale (Priced right) |
Dear YAKers,
I have two M-14P engines for sale. Both have had a prop strike in grass
runways in Russia. I have Russian log books and both are in engines crates for
storage as a spare or to use on a CJ-6 conversation.
Both engines are under 1000 hours on first over hauls and all components. If
you know anything about these engines you will find that everyone just places
a new prop on these engines and fly's away.
New engines are going for $26,000 (360 HP) to $38,000 for the new 450HP.
These engines are considerable less than that. Save money now for Aeromotors
is raising prices for overhauls to $17,000 in January 2006. Pay less than an
overhaul.
I will accept the best offer for the engines but before November 25th.
Thank you for the consideration.
Mark "SHREK" Schrick
YAK DRIVER, LLC
Aerostar Dealer of (New) Yak 52TW
Fully Restored USED Yak 52's "We meet anyone's budget!!!
REDSTAR Pilot Assoc. Active member
966 Wallace Drive
San Jose, Ca 95120-1848
Hm/Fax 408-323-5150
Cell 408-391-6664
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