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1. 12:16 AM - What's Being Said... (Matt Dralle)
2. 07:10 AM - Political realm (was: Savarese/DC ADIZ) (Brian Lloyd)
3. 07:30 AM - political stuff vs. flying stuff (Brian Lloyd)
4. 07:51 AM - Re: Political realm (was: Savarese/DC ADIZ) (Roger Kemp)
5. 08:12 AM - Re: Political realm (was: Savarese/DC ADIZ) (Ernest Martinez)
6. 08:14 AM - Re: Political realm (was: Savarese/DC ADIZ) (Ernest Martinez)
7. 08:44 AM - Re: Political realm (was: Savarese/DC ADIZ) (cjpilot710@aol.com)
8. 08:48 AM - Re: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Political realm (was: Savarese/DC ADIZ) (Roger Kemp)
9. 09:11 AM - Re: Political realm (Brian Lloyd)
10. 09:33 AM - Re: Political realm (was: Savarese/DC ADIZ) (cjpilot710@aol.com)
11. 09:48 AM - Re: Political realm (Roger Kemp)
12. 09:58 AM - Re: Political realm (was: Savarese/DC ADIZ) (Ernest Martinez)
13. 11:49 AM - FAA Air Show Changes (Jon Boede)
14. 12:23 PM - Re: FAA Air Show Changes (Roger Kemp)
15. 12:59 PM - Re: FAA Air Show Changes (Stephen Fox)
16. 01:38 PM - YAK-18A (Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd)
17. 01:43 PM - Re: FAA Air Show Changes (Ernest Martinez)
18. 02:15 PM - Re: [Norton AntiSpam] YAK-18A (Roger Kemp)
19. 02:17 PM - Re: [Norton AntiSpam] YAK-18A (Roger Kemp)
20. 02:59 PM - Re: [Norton AntiSpam] YAK-18A (Ernest Martinez)
21. 03:32 PM - Re: [Norton AntiSpam] YAK-18A (Doug Sapp)
22. 05:31 PM - Re: [Norton AntiSpam] YAK-18A (cjpilot710@aol.com)
23. 05:39 PM - NO-FLY ZONE (Frank Haertlein)
24. 05:41 PM - Political realm (Frank Haertlein)
25. 06:17 PM - Re: Political realm (Roger Kemp)
26. 06:21 PM - Re: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: [Norton AntiSpam] YAK-18A (Roger Kemp)
27. 06:30 PM - Re: NO-FLY ZONE (Ernest Martinez)
28. 06:54 PM - Re: NO-FLY ZONE (Roger Kemp)
29. 07:21 PM - Re: Val's CJ expedition (Valkyre1)
30. 07:22 PM - REDSTARS WEBSITE (Frank Haertlein)
31. 07:51 PM - DC ADIZ NPRM (Frank Haertlein)
32. 08:18 PM - NOTE : YOU WILL WIND UP WITH A LOOSE POPPET VALVE ONE DAY! (Frank Haertlein)
33. 08:25 PM - Re: NOTE : YOU WILL WIND UP WITH A LOOSE POPPET VALVE ONE DAY! (cjpilot710@aol.com)
34. 08:41 PM - Re: NOTE : YOU WILL WIND UP WITH A LOOSE POPPET VALVE ONE DAY! (Walter Lannon)
35. 09:04 PM - Re: Val's CJ expedition (Roger Kemp)
36. 09:42 PM - Re: NO-FLY ZONE (gpa)
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| Subject: | Political realm (was: Savarese/DC ADIZ) |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
The political continuum is more complex than just right/left or
liberal/conservative. There are at least two axes in the orientation of
political position. One axis is that of liberal/conservative economic ideology
and the other is the authoritarian/libertarian social ideology.
The problem we are facing, and one we face equally from both political parties
in the US, is the move towards authoritarianism and away from libertarianism.
Both sides "know what's best" for you and me and, by damn, they are going to
find a way to enforce it "for our own good." The people on both sides truly
believe they are doing "God's Work" or "The People's Work." And both sides are
unwittingly working to destroy the rights enumerated in Constitution to
achieve "what's best for everyone."
Perhaps it is time to find a different way of looking at this. How can we
actually use the Law against these people. Consider the following:
Title 18, U.S.C., Section 242
Deprivation of Rights Under Color of Law
This statute makes it a crime for any person acting under color of
law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom to willfully deprive or
cause to be deprived from any person those rights, privileges, or
immunities secured or protected by the Constitution and laws of the
U.S.
This looks like the way to address a "power grab" by individual agents of the
government or by governmental agencies themselves. This statute suggests an
offensive way of dealing with this sort of thing as opposed to defensive. (If
I were defending Bob Hoover some years ago this is what I would have used
against those FAA assholes who declared Bob "unfit". Throw some of these guys
in jail for overstepping their bounds and perhaps the others would take note.)
And to those of you who used to engage in aerial combat I ask: do you win the
fight by being defensive or by being offensive?
I wonder why the AOPA is not adopting this tack? I guess it is too radical to
imply that the government has overstepped its legal bounds and is now in
violation of its own law.
But when has that ever stopped a government.
--
Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
brian-yak@lloyd.com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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| Subject: | political stuff vs. flying stuff |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
I know, political stuff has no place on this list ... or does it?
Political things impinge on our ability to fly almost as much as do mechanical
things. Your ability to fly is affected by the power of the regulatory
agencies that govern your airport and airspace as much as do the physical laws
that govern whether your airplane is fit to fly. In this the AOPA seems to
have it right. If you read their magazine you see that there are sections on
how do deal with the legal tangle side by side with sections on how to deal
with IFR conditions. They both affect our ability to fly.
Consider: everyone here on this list is a law-abiding citizen. If an agent of
the FAA declares your airworthiness certificate null-and-void, or demands you
relinquish your pilot certificate for "operational irregularities" I hold that
will ground you just as surely as a mechanical problem in your aircraft. The
*result* is the same.
OK, so some of the rhetoric is over-the-top. That is what happens when people
feel strongly about something. And I think we all feel strongly about flying,
no? The question then is: once someone has vented his or her feelings, have
they done something to actually try to make a change?
We don't live in a vacuum. I am very worried that my ability to fly will be
curtailed by my government. This is important to me. If an F-22 is directed to
shoot me down that is going to be just as much an in-flight emergency as
massive engine failure. (Or maybe not as I won't be alive to deal with it
after I take the first inbound missile or gun rounds.)
But then, of *COURSE* that will never happen here.
--
Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
brian-yak@lloyd.com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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| Subject: | Political realm (was: Savarese/DC ADIZ) |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Seems the 9th district Court would be subject to this law also, but that is
not the case. The federal judges are making law not inturpeting it. But
what do I know anyway. It is no longer what or who you know anymore, it is
how much you gave them for their re-election or their federal lifetime
appointment! We have the best legal and judical system your money can buy
some of it has to pass under the table for it to work in your favor of
course!
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 11/7/2005 9:10:14 AM
> Subject: Yak-List: Political realm (was: Savarese/DC ADIZ)
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
>
> The political continuum is more complex than just right/left or
> liberal/conservative. There are at least two axes in the orientation of
> political position. One axis is that of liberal/conservative economic
ideology
> and the other is the authoritarian/libertarian social ideology.
>
> The problem we are facing, and one we face equally from both political
parties
> in the US, is the move towards authoritarianism and away from
libertarianism.
> Both sides "know what's best" for you and me and, by damn, they are going
to
> find a way to enforce it "for our own good." The people on both sides
truly
> believe they are doing "God's Work" or "The People's Work." And both
sides are
> unwittingly working to destroy the rights enumerated in Constitution to
> achieve "what's best for everyone."
>
> Perhaps it is time to find a different way of looking at this. How can we
> actually use the Law against these people. Consider the following:
>
> Title 18, U.S.C., Section 242
> Deprivation of Rights Under Color of Law
>
> This statute makes it a crime for any person acting under color of
> law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom to willfully deprive
or
> cause to be deprived from any person those rights, privileges, or
> immunities secured or protected by the Constitution and laws of the
> U.S.
>
> This looks like the way to address a "power grab" by individual agents of
the
> government or by governmental agencies themselves. This statute suggests
an
> offensive way of dealing with this sort of thing as opposed to defensive.
(If
> I were defending Bob Hoover some years ago this is what I would have used
> against those FAA assholes who declared Bob "unfit". Throw some of these
guys
> in jail for overstepping their bounds and perhaps the others would take
note.)
>
> And to those of you who used to engage in aerial combat I ask: do you win
the
> fight by being defensive or by being offensive?
>
> I wonder why the AOPA is not adopting this tack? I guess it is too
radical to
> imply that the government has overstepped its legal bounds and is now in
> violation of its own law.
>
> But when has that ever stopped a government.
>
> --
> Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
> brian-yak@lloyd.com Folsom, CA 95630
> +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
>
> I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
> - Antoine de Saint-Exupery
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Political realm (was: Savarese/DC ADIZ) |
Oil prices affect our flying also.
Even though temperatures over portions of the Midwest and East Coast are
almost spring-like this week, the arrival of the first bout of cold weather
last week brought attention to the adequacy of heating fuels in light of the
upheaval seen in petroleum markets since late summer. Overall, heating oil
and propane supplies appear adequate at this early juncture in the 2005-06
winter heating season based on current inventory levels. However, the full
impact on heating fuel supplies over the longer term remains uncertain
following the devastating effects of the recent hurricanes on Gulf Coast
petroleum infrastructure. While solid progress in post-hurricane repairs to
this infrastructure has occurred, it remains unclear at this time when, or
even if, a full recovery to pre-hurricane status will be possible prior to
the onset of severe winter weather.
One of the best gauges for assessing the adequacy of supplies of any
particular petroleum product to meet expected peak demand is the level of
inventories on hand at any given time. This premise particularly holds true
for heating oil inventories during the peak winter season when severe
weather can cause short-term spikes in demand to occur either in a wide
geographic region or much smaller confined areas. For this reason, to assess
the adequacy of heating oil one needs to look not only at the nation's
supply but also regional inventories as well. The overall picture for
distillate fuel oil inventories on the East Coast, or Petroleum
Administration for Defense District I (PADD 1), the biggest U.S. market for
heating oil, indicates that inventories are tracking near the middle of the
average range (see *Figure 5. Weekly Petroleum Status
Report*<http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/weekly_petroleum_status_report/current/pdf/figure05.pdf>).
Furthermore, looking more closely at the most critical areas for heating
oil, the following graph shows the combined New England (PADD 1A) and
Central Atlantic region (PADD 1B) with inventories of high sulfur distillate
fuel (heating oil) near the upper limit of the average range.
Ernie
On 11/7/05, Roger Kemp <viperdoc@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>
> Seems the 9th district Court would be subject to this law also, but that
> is
> not the case. The federal judges are making law not inturpeting it. But
> what do I know anyway. It is no longer what or who you know anymore, it is
> how much you gave them for their re-election or their federal lifetime
> appointment! We have the best legal and judical system your money can buy
> some of it has to pass under the table for it to work in your favor of
> course!
> Doc
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
> > To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> > Date: 11/7/2005 9:10:14 AM
> > Subject: Yak-List: Political realm (was: Savarese/DC ADIZ)
> >
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
> >
> > The political continuum is more complex than just right/left or
> > liberal/conservative. There are at least two axes in the orientation of
> > political position. One axis is that of liberal/conservative economic
> ideology
> > and the other is the authoritarian/libertarian social ideology.
> >
> > The problem we are facing, and one we face equally from both political
> parties
> > in the US, is the move towards authoritarianism and away from
> libertarianism.
> > Both sides "know what's best" for you and me and, by damn, they are
> going
> to
> > find a way to enforce it "for our own good." The people on both sides
> truly
> > believe they are doing "God's Work" or "The People's Work." And both
> sides are
> > unwittingly working to destroy the rights enumerated in Constitution to
> > achieve "what's best for everyone."
> >
> > Perhaps it is time to find a different way of looking at this. How can
> we
> > actually use the Law against these people. Consider the following:
> >
> > Title 18, U.S.C., Section 242
> > Deprivation of Rights Under Color of Law
> >
> > This statute makes it a crime for any person acting under color of
> > law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom to willfully deprive
> or
> > cause to be deprived from any person those rights, privileges, or
> > immunities secured or protected by the Constitution and laws of the
> > U.S.
> >
> > This looks like the way to address a "power grab" by individual agents
> of
> the
> > government or by governmental agencies themselves. This statute suggests
> an
> > offensive way of dealing with this sort of thing as opposed to
> defensive.
> (If
> > I were defending Bob Hoover some years ago this is what I would have
> used
> > against those FAA assholes who declared Bob "unfit". Throw some of these
> guys
> > in jail for overstepping their bounds and perhaps the others would take
> note.)
> >
> > And to those of you who used to engage in aerial combat I ask: do you
> win
> the
> > fight by being defensive or by being offensive?
> >
> > I wonder why the AOPA is not adopting this tack? I guess it is too
> radical to
> > imply that the government has overstepped its legal bounds and is now in
> > violation of its own law.
> >
> > But when has that ever stopped a government.
> >
> > --
> > Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
> > brian-yak@lloyd.com Folsom, CA 95630
> > +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
> >
> > I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
> > - Antoine de Saint-Exupery
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
books.com>
> ,
>!
>
>
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In a message dated 11/7/2005 11:15:29 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
erniel29@gmail.com writes:
Ernie,
OK! OK! OK!. We now know how you feel!
Pappy
Medical issues also affect our flying.
You don't have to be an athlete=E2=80=94you don't even have to wear a jock=E2=80=94to
contract itchy genitals.
Friction and fungus are the two primary causes of genital itching. Skin
rubbing against skin generates heat and sweat to produce tender, red, itchy=20
patches, says William Dvorine, M.D., chief of the Section of Dermatology at=20
St.
Agnes Hospital in Baltimore and author of Dermatologist's Guide to Home Skin
Treatment. People who are physically active or obese are especially
susceptible. The itch may appear as a little bit of redness anywhere on the=20
genitals but
can advance to more serious inflammation, with scabs and scaling or tender,
moist spots where skin has peeled away.
If caused by fungus, the itch and redness will appear more gradually, says
Dr. Dvorine. The patches of scaly skin will have defined, ringlike borders=E2=80=94
hence the medical name Tinea cruris, or ringworm of the groin.
Fungus-caused jock itch predominates in the summer, says Jack L. Lesher,
Jr., M,D., associate professor of dermatology at the Medical College of Georgia
School of Medicine in Augusta. "Fungus kind of likes warm, damp places to
grow," he says, "but you don't need a fungal infection to get jock itch."
Insanely itchy private parts could be caused by scabies or pubic lice. In a=20
woman, itching also can be the first sign of a yeast infection, especially if
she is taking antibiotics. And for both sexes, severe itching, as well as
pain, can precede the outbreak of herpes blisters.
Symptom Relief
You can treat plain old jock itch at home, perhaps after a trip to the
drugstore=E2=80=94but do it before the area becomes inflamed and possibly infected.
More
serious scratch attacks probably will require a visit to the doctor for a
prescription itch eraser. Here's how to stop the itch before it becomes a serious
problem.
Powder to the people. To reduce chafing that naturally occurs when you walk
around, try powdering yourself with cornstarch, Dr. Dvorine says. "It can act
as a good buffer to reduce abrasion." Talcum powder also can be effective,
but women should be cautious of how frequently they use it. "In women, using
talcum powder on a daily basis may lead to other problems," he says. Some
studies show an association with cancer of the ovaries.
Ointments salve the day. Over-the-counter creams effectively treat jock
itch, dermatologists say. But in order to select the right product, it's
important to know what's causing the problem. "Chafing can be aggravated by=20
fungal
medications, because those preparations do nothing to reduce the friction," Dr.
Dvorine says.
Ointments containing zinc oxide or hydrocortisone work well for jock itch
brought on by chafing. On the other hand, if you have jock itch caused by
fungus, opt for salves made with miconazole or clotrimazole. They should be=20
used
at the first inkling of an itch.
Keep it clean. Sweat harbors bacteria that cause or further irritate itchy
genitals, Dr. Dvorine says. If you work up a sweat on the job or during
workouts, make sure to bathe as soon as you can. And pack a clean, dry change
of
clothes if you're showering away from home.
Keep it dry, keep it loose. Dry yourself thoroughly after washing, using a
hair dryer, if necessary, set on low, Dr. Dvorine says. And don't squeeze
yourself into tight or ill-fitting clothes that might chafe against the skin
between your legs or prevent air from flowing.
Ice is nice. If you already have jock itch, soothe your savaged skin with
cool compresses, Dr. Lesher says. Wrap a few ice cubes in a towel, or soak=20a
washcloth in cool tap water, he says. "Just make sure you dry off really well
when you're done."
Take a load off. While the skin is healing, stay off your feet. "Walking
just generates more friction," Dr. Lesher says.
Go naked. Why waste a reason to lounge about in the buff? Providing an
opportunity to let jock itch heal is a good excuse to sport your birthday suit.
"Try leaving your clothes off," Dr. Lesher says. "You'll aerate the inflamed
skin and give it more of a chance to dry out."
How to Get Rid of What's Bugging You
If jock-itch treatments don't seem to work or if the irritation produces an=20
uncontrollable urge to scratch frantically, your genitals may be infested with
either lice or scabies, two rather common critters.
Fight the mite. Scabies are microscopic mites that burrow into the skin and
infest not only the genitals but other areas of your body=E2=80=94breasts, =20waist,
armpits, hands. Besides itching, they produce skin lesions that can become
infected. "We see a lot of scabies cases," Dr. Lesher says. "Any close contact
with someone who's infested=E2=80=94it doesn't have to be sex=E2=80=94can give
them to you."
Only a prescription drug, such as Elimite or Kwell, can eliminate them, he
says, but the whole body, not just the genitals, must be treated.
Force lice to flee. In contrast to scabies, pubic lice are very visible.
"You can see those little rascals crawling around down there," Dr. Lesher says.
"If you have them, you'll know you have them." They look like tiny white
flakes of skin or dandruff, but they move.
An over-the-counter medication called Rid is effective in destroying them,
according to Dr. Lesher. If Rid doesn't do the trick within a week, see your
doctor for a prescription drug.
See also Genital Sores; Vaginal Itching
Ernie
On 11/7/05, Ernest Martinez <_erniel29@gmail.com_
(mailto:erniel29@gmail.com) > wrote:
Oil prices affect our flying also.
Even though temperatures over portions of the Midwest and East Coast are
almost spring-like this week, the arrival of the first bout of cold weather last
week brought attention to the adequacy of heating fuels in light of the
upheaval seen in petroleum markets since late summer. Overall, heating oil=20and
propane supplies appear adequate at this early juncture in the 2005-06 winter
heating season based on current inventory levels. However, the full impact=20on
heating fuel supplies over the longer term remains uncertain following the
devastating effects of the recent hurricanes on Gulf Coast petroleum
infrastructure. While solid progress in post-hurricane repairs to this infrastructure
has occurred, it remains unclear at this time when, or even if, a full
recovery to pre-hurricane status will be possible prior to the onset of severe
winter weather.
One of the best gauges for assessing the adequacy of supplies of any
particular petroleum product to meet expected peak demand is the level of
inventories on hand at any given time. This premise particularly holds true=20
for heating
oil inventories during the peak winter season when severe weather can cause
short-term spikes in demand to occur either in a wide geographic region or
much smaller confined areas. For this reason, to assess the adequacy of heating
oil one needs to look not only at the nation's supply but also regional
inventories as well. The overall picture for distillate fuel oil inventories on
the East Coast, or Petroleum Administration for Defense District I (PADD 1),
the biggest U.S. market for heating oil, indicates that inventories are
tracking near the middle of the average range (see _Figure 5. Weekly Petroleum
Status Report _
(http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/weekly_petroleum_status_report/current/pdf/figure05.pdf) ). Furthermore,
looking more closely at the most critical areas for heating oil, the following
graph shows the combined New England (PADD 1A) and Central Atlantic region=20(PADD
1B) with inventories of high sulfur distillate fuel (heating oil) near the
upper limit of the average range.
Ernie
On 11/7/05, Roger Kemp <_viperdoc@mindspring.com _
(mailto:viperdoc@mindspring.com) > wrote:
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <_viperdoc@mindspring.com_
(mailto:viperdoc@mindspring.com) >
Seems the 9th district Court would be subject to this law also, but that is
not the case. The federal judges are making law not inturpeting it. But
what do I know anyway. It is no longer what or who you know anymore, it is
how much you gave them for their re-election or their federal lifetime
appointment! We have the best legal and judical system your money can buy
some of it has to pass under the table for it to work in your favor of
course!
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: Brian Lloyd < _brian-yak@lloyd.com_ (mailto:brian-yak@lloyd.com) >
> To: <_ yak-list@matronics.com_ (mailto:yak-list@matronics.com) >
> Date: 11/7/2005 9:10:14 AM
> Subject: Yak-List: Political realm (was: Savarese/DC ADIZ)
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <_brian-yak@lloyd.com_
(mailto:brian-yak@lloyd.com) >
>
> The political continuum is more complex than just right/left or
> liberal/conservative. There are at least two axes in the orientation of
> political position. One axis is that of liberal/conservative economic
ideology
> and the other is the authoritarian/libertarian social ideology.
>
> The problem we are facing, and one we face equally from both political
parties
> in the US, is the move towards authoritarianism and away from
libertarianism.
> Both sides "know what's best" for you and me and, by damn, they are going
to
> find a way to enforce it "for our own good." The people on both sides
truly
> believe they are doing "God's Work" or "The People's Work." And both
sides are
> unwittingly working to destroy the rights enumerated in Constitution to
> achieve "what's best for everyone."
>
> Perhaps it is time to find a different way of looking at this. How can we
> actually use the Law against these people. Consider the following:
>
> Title 18, U.S.C., Section 242
> Deprivation of Rights Under Color of Law
>
> This statute makes it a crime for any person acting under color of
> law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom to willfully deprive
or
> cause to be deprived from any person those rights, privileges, or
> immunities secured or protected by the Constitution and laws of the
> U.S.
>
> This looks like the way to address a "power grab" by individual agents of
the
> government or by governmental agencies themselves. This statute suggests
an
> offensive way of dealing with this sort of thing as opposed to defensive.
(If
> I were defending Bob Hoover some years ago this is what I would have used
> against those FAA assholes who declared Bob "unfit". Throw some of these
guys
> in jail for overstepping their bounds and perhaps the others would take
note.)
>
> And to those of you who used to engage in aerial combat I ask: do you win
the
> fight by being defensive or by being offensive?
>
> I wonder why the AOPA is not adopting this tack? I guess it is too
radical to
> imply that the government has overstepped its legal bounds and is now in
> violation of its own law.
>
> But when has that ever stopped a government.
>
> --
> Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
> _brian-yak@lloyd.com_ (mailto:brian-yak@lloyd.com)
Folsom, CA 95630
> +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
>
> I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
> - Antoine de Saint-Exupery
>
>
>
>
(http://www.buildersbooks.com/) ,
,
and
(http://www.homebuilthelp.com/) !
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ADIZ)
Ernie,
Having a problem with your itchy Nuts?
I can solve your itchy nuts problem. Works best when scabies are the primary cause
but if applied properly will make you for get about the Tinea Crus! So, here's
what you need to do:
1. Shave half of your genital area.
2. Pour lighter fluid on the unshaved side (Zippo works pretty well).
3. Get a good ice pick or tooth pick will work too if you can't find your ice pick.
4. Light the unshaved but lighter fluid soaked side on fire.. again a good Zippo
lighter will do the trick.
5. When the little buggers run out, stabb them to death with the tooth pick (or
ice pick if you have one...it will stand up to the repeated abuse of stabbing
the little buggers.) After all you have to be pretty quick about it. They move
pretty fast when their ass is on fire!
6. Call your family M.D. for a Rx of aslivadine cream...you'll need it salve you
balls with the stop the burning and it will help prevent the secondary infection.
After that you will forget about your itchy ball and gladly sit on your
front porch in the Buff!
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: Ernest Martinez
Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: Yak-List: Political realm (was: Savarese/DC ADIZ)
Medical issues also affect our flying.
You don't have to be an athleteyou don't even have to wear a jockto contract itchy
genitals.
Friction and fungus are the two primary causes of genital itching. Skin rubbing
against skin generates heat and sweat to produce tender, red, itchy patches,
says William Dvorine, M.D., chief of the Section of Dermatology at St. Agnes Hospital
in Baltimore and author of Dermatologist's Guide to Home Skin Treatment.
People who are physically active or obese are especially susceptible. The itch
may appear as a little bit of redness anywhere on the genitals but can advance
to more serious inflammation, with scabs and scaling or tender, moist spots
where skin has peeled away.
If caused by fungus, the itch and redness will appear more gradually, says Dr.
Dvorine. The patches of scaly skin will have defined, ringlike bordershence the
medical name Tinea cruris, or ringworm of the groin.
Fungus-caused jock itch predominates in the summer, says Jack L. Lesher, Jr., M,D.,
associate professor of dermatology at the Medical College of Georgia School
of Medicine in Augusta. "Fungus kind of likes warm, damp places to grow," he
says, "but you don't need a fungal infection to get jock itch."
Insanely itchy private parts could be caused by scabies or pubic lice. In a woman,
itching also can be the first sign of a yeast infection, especially if she
is taking antibiotics. And for both sexes, severe itching, as well as pain, can
precede the outbreak of herpes blisters.
Symptom Relief
You can treat plain old jock itch at home, perhaps after a trip to the drugstorebut
do it before the area becomes inflamed and possibly infected. More serious
scratch attacks probably will require a visit to the doctor for a prescription
itch eraser. Here's how to stop the itch before it becomes a serious problem.
Powder to the people. To reduce chafing that naturally occurs when you walk around,
try powdering yourself with cornstarch, Dr. Dvorine says. "It can act as
a good buffer to reduce abrasion." Talcum powder also can be effective, but women
should be cautious of how frequently they use it. "In women, using talcum
powder on a daily basis may lead to other problems," he says. Some studies show
an association with cancer of the ovaries.
Ointments salve the day. Over-the-counter creams effectively treat jock itch, dermatologists
say. But in order to select the right product, it's important to
know what's causing the problem. "Chafing can be aggravated by fungal medications,
because those preparations do nothing to reduce the friction," Dr. Dvorine
says.
Ointments containing zinc oxide or hydrocortisone work well for jock itch brought
on by chafing. On the other hand, if you have jock itch caused by fungus, opt
for salves made with miconazole or clotrimazole. They should be used at the
first inkling of an itch.
Keep it clean. Sweat harbors bacteria that cause or further irritate itchy genitals,
Dr. Dvorine says. If you work up a sweat on the job or during workouts,
make sure to bathe as soon as you can. And pack a clean, dry change of clothes
if you're showering away from home.
Keep it dry, keep it loose. Dry yourself thoroughly after washing, using a hair
dryer, if necessary, set on low, Dr. Dvorine says. And don't squeeze yourself
into tight or ill-fitting clothes that might chafe against the skin between your
legs or prevent air from flowing.
Ice is nice. If you already have jock itch, soothe your savaged skin with cool
compresses, Dr. Lesher says. Wrap a few ice cubes in a towel, or soak a washcloth
in cool tap water, he says. "Just make sure you dry off really well when you're
done."
Take a load off. While the skin is healing, stay off your feet. "Walking just generates
more friction," Dr. Lesher says.
Go naked. Why waste a reason to lounge about in the buff? Providing an opportunity
to let jock itch heal is a good excuse to sport your birthday suit. "Try leaving
your clothes off," Dr. Lesher says. "You'll aerate the inflamed skin and
give it more of a chance to dry out."
How to Get Rid of What's Bugging You
If jock-itch treatments don't seem to work or if the irritation produces an uncontrollable
urge to scratch frantically, your genitals may be infested with either
lice or scabies, two rather common critters.
Fight the mite. Scabies are microscopic mites that burrow into the skin and infest
not only the genitals but other areas of your bodybreasts, waist, armpits,
hands. Besides itching, they produce skin lesions that can become infected. "We
see a lot of scabies cases," Dr. Lesher says. "Any close contact with someone
who's infestedit doesn't have to be sexcan give them to you."
Only a prescription drug, such as Elimite or Kwell, can eliminate them, he says,
but the whole body, not just the genitals, must be treated.
Force lice to flee. In contrast to scabies, pubic lice are very visible. "You can
see those little rascals crawling around down there," Dr. Lesher says. "If
you have them, you'll know you have them." They look like tiny white flakes of
skin or dandruff, but they move.
An over-the-counter medication called Rid is effective in destroying them, according
to Dr. Lesher. If Rid doesn't do the trick within a week, see your doctor
for a prescription drug.
See also Genital Sores; Vaginal Itching
Ernie
On 11/7/05, Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com> wrote:
Oil prices affect our flying also.
Even though temperatures over portions of the Midwest and East Coast are almost
spring-like this week, the arrival of the first bout of cold weather last week
brought attention to the adequacy of heating fuels in light of the upheaval
seen in petroleum markets since late summer. Overall, heating oil and propane
supplies appear adequate at this early juncture in the 2005-06 winter heating
season based on current inventory levels. However, the full impact on heating
fuel supplies over the longer term remains uncertain following the devastating
effects of the recent hurricanes on Gulf Coast petroleum infrastructure. While
solid progress in post-hurricane repairs to this infrastructure has occurred,
it remains unclear at this time when, or even if, a full recovery to pre-hurricane
status will be possible prior to the onset of severe winter weather.
One of the best gauges for assessing the adequacy of supplies of any particular
petroleum product to meet expected peak demand is the level of inventories on
hand at any given time. This premise particularly holds true for heating oil
inventories during the peak winter season when severe weather can cause short-term
spikes in demand to occur either in a wide geographic region or much smaller
confined areas. For this reason, to assess the adequacy of heating oil one
needs to look not only at the nation's supply but also regional inventories as
well. The overall picture for distillate fuel oil inventories on the East Coast,
or Petroleum Administration for Defense District I (PADD 1), the biggest
U.S. market for heating oil, indicates that inventories are tracking near the
middle of the average range (see Figure 5. Weekly Petroleum Status Report ). Furthermore,
looking more closely at the most critical areas for heating oil, the
following graph shows the combined New England (PA
DD 1A) and Central Atlantic region (PADD 1B) with inventories of high sulfur distillate
fuel (heating oil) near the upper limit of the average range.
Ernie
On 11/7/05, Roger Kemp <viperdoc@mindspring.com > wrote:
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Seems the 9th district Court would be subject to this law also, but that is
not the case. The federal judges are making law not inturpeting it. But
what do I know anyway. It is no longer what or who you know anymore, it is
how much you gave them for their re-election or their federal lifetime
appointment! We have the best legal and judical system your money can buy
some of it has to pass under the table for it to work in your favor of
course!
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: Brian Lloyd < brian-yak@lloyd.com>
> To: < yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 11/7/2005 9:10:14 AM
> Subject: Yak-List: Political realm (was: Savarese/DC ADIZ)
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
>
> The political continuum is more complex than just right/left or
> liberal/conservative. There are at least two axes in the orientation of
> political position. One axis is that of liberal/conservative economic
ideology
> and the other is the authoritarian/libertarian social ideology.
>
> The problem we are facing, and one we face equally from both political
parties
> in the US, is the move towards authoritarianism and away from
libertarianism.
> Both sides "know what's best" for you and me and, by damn, they are going
to
> find a way to enforce it "for our own good." The people on both sides
truly
> believe they are doing "God's Work" or "The People's Work." And both
sides are
> unwittingly working to destroy the rights enumerated in Constitution to
> achieve "what's best for everyone."
>
> Perhaps it is time to find a different way of looking at this. How can we
> actually use the Law against these people. Consider the following:
>
> Title 18, U.S.C., Section 242
> Deprivation of Rights Under Color of Law
>
> This statute makes it a crime for any person acting under color of
> law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom to willfully deprive
or
> cause to be deprived from any person those rights, privileges, or
> immunities secured or protected by the Constitution and laws of the
> U.S.
>
> This looks like the way to address a "power grab" by individual agents of
the
> government or by governmental agencies themselves. This statute suggests
an
> offensive way of dealing with this sort of thing as opposed to defensive.
(If
> I were defending Bob Hoover some years ago this is what I would have used
> against those FAA assholes who declared Bob "unfit". Throw some of these
guys
> in jail for overstepping their bounds and perhaps the others would take
note.)
>
> And to those of you who used to engage in aerial combat I ask: do you win
the
> fight by being defensive or by being offensive?
>
> I wonder why the AOPA is not adopting this tack? I guess it is too
radical to
> imply that the government has overstepped its legal bounds and is now in
> violation of its own law.
>
> But when has that ever stopped a government.
>
> --
> Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
> brian-yak@lloyd.com Folsom, CA 95630
> +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
>
> I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
> - Antoine de Saint-Exupery
>
>
>
>
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Ernest Martinez wrote:
> Medical issues also affect our flying.
There is a difference Ernie. I was discussing things that *directly* impact
our ability to fly. The ADIZ directly impacts our ability to fly and it is a
product of the political realm. The availability and cost of avgas and mogas
*directly* impact our ability to fly. Human aeromedical issues *directly*
impact our ability to fly. Jock-itch doesn't.
--
Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
brian-yak@lloyd.com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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| Subject: | Re: Political realm (was: Savarese/DC ADIZ) |
In a message dated 11/7/2005 11:15:29 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
erniel29@gmail.com writes:
One thing for sure some purpose regulations that our politicians and
bureaucracies come up with effect all of us no matter how passionate we feel or
don't feel about the subject. We must stick to the question at hand that effects
our freedoms. Right now the DC ADIZ is a problem and WILL BECOME A GREATER
ONE, IF WE DON'T LET OUR VIEWS KNOWN.
We do not need to get into long political discourses about our personal
political views, but BY GOD! some issues are going to effect our flying no matter
how we might detest the subject. These things are just as bad as finding
out your spars are weak, exhaust systems made of shit steel, or whatever may
effect your particular airplane.
And we need to know when this crab surfaces. I believe that was what Brain
was saying. Sometimes this political shit effect us all. And some of us it
gets to a lot more. But lets stick to the questions and ACT ON THOSE
QUESTIONS.
For us Floridians, imagine for instants if the if the DC ADIZ became a
reality. I can easily see the politicians in Orlando saying "Why not us? After
all, we have Disney World, and The Cape Kennedy and these are of national
importance not unlike DC." Now we would have a ADIZ that would stretch from
shore line to shore line across the middle of the state. Look at the number of
airports that encompasses and a simple trip to visit Wing Over Miami or LAL
becomes ATC bureaucratic nightmare.
Farfetched? I don't think so. Just look transponders. I can remember when
these suckers came out, it was "only going to be for the high flying
airliners". Than came the TCAs (now "B" airspace) and they became mandatory for
entry. Than encoders etc. Now they are talking about having back-up
transponders in your airplane.
As much as I would like to just talk about our airplanes, systems, idea and
methods for keeping them flying, I KNOW the political crap is going to slip in
too. Unfortunately this become part of flying.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Yea it does. If you are scratching your nuts all the time, you can't stay
in formation. Just ask Hang, he had the worst case of crabs I have ever
seen after a stint on Northern Watch! He was all over the wi;ng of the
shepard KC 135 as #3. Talk about getting the whip cracked on 4. I was
almost seasick when we got home. He thought about using the Zippo right
there a 280. Hell, he could have, we were right there at Iceland for a
divert! Hell anything would have been better than bobbing like a cork on
his wing. Dang, it would have worth it to see him with his balls on fire at
280 diverting into Iceland! Would give a whole new meaning to hair on fire
in the overrun!
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 11/7/2005 11:10:46 AM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Political realm
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
>
>
> Ernest Martinez wrote:
> > Medical issues also affect our flying.
>
> There is a difference Ernie. I was discussing things that *directly*
impact
> our ability to fly. The ADIZ directly impacts our ability to fly and it
is a
> product of the political realm. The availability and cost of avgas and
mogas
> *directly* impact our ability to fly. Human aeromedical issues *directly*
> impact our ability to fly. Jock-itch doesn't.
>
>
> --
> Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
> brian-yak@lloyd.com Folsom, CA 95630
> +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
>
> I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
> - Antoine de Saint-Exupery
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | FAA Air Show Changes |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net>
Washington D.C. -
The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) today announced a series of
changes to air show regulations which will make the shows substantially
safer for both pilots and spectators. Noting that the flying portion of
the airshow is what presents the greatest risk, the FAA today modified
it's policies to eliminate all flying activities from airshows. "We feel
that this greatly simplifies oversight requirements and maximizes safety,"
said FAA regional director Barney Mudman. Instead, aircraft will be
brought into the shows by flat-bed truck and assembled on site. The FAA
says that it will be fielding inspectors to check the assembled aircraft
to insure that there are "no pointy parts" or sharp surfaces on which the
non-flying public could possibly injure themselves. Additionally, the FAA
made the announcement that they will be working with the FDA to reduce the
number of corn dog and funnel cake "incidents" at airshows.
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| Subject: | FAA Air Show Changes |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Well,, Well,,,, see I'm not the only cynic in the crowd or the list that is.
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: Jon Boede <jon@email.net>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 11/7/2005 1:48:21 PM
> Subject: Yak-List: FAA Air Show Changes
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net>
>
> Washington D.C. -
> The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) today announced a series of
> changes to air show regulations which will make the shows substantially
> safer for both pilots and spectators. Noting that the flying portion of
> the airshow is what presents the greatest risk, the FAA today modified
> it's policies to eliminate all flying activities from airshows. "We feel
> that this greatly simplifies oversight requirements and maximizes safety,"
> said FAA regional director Barney Mudman. Instead, aircraft will be
> brought into the shows by flat-bed truck and assembled on site. The FAA
> says that it will be fielding inspectors to check the assembled aircraft
> to insure that there are "no pointy parts" or sharp surfaces on which the
> non-flying public could possibly injure themselves. Additionally, the FAA
> made the announcement that they will be working with the FDA to reduce the
> number of corn dog and funnel cake "incidents" at airshows.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: FAA Air Show Changes |
Wow what a relief. I thought we were only allowed to bring pictures
of planes of a size no greater than 5"X7" and those needed to be
placed in the center of a roped off viewing area of a least
10'X10'. Also it was my understanding only still images were
permitted for fear that moving images may overly excite the crowds.
Also in all pictures the planes needed to firmly on the ground, tied
down or behind closed hangar doors. Furthermore at the request of HLS
no pictures can be of planes on the ground under a present or future
TFR or ADIZ.
On Nov 7, 2005, at 2:48 PM, Jon Boede wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net>
>
> Washington D.C. -
> The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) today announced a series of
> changes to air show regulations which will make the shows
> substantially
> safer for both pilots and spectators. Noting that the flying
> portion of
> the airshow is what presents the greatest risk, the FAA today modified
> it's policies to eliminate all flying activities from airshows.
> "We feel
> that this greatly simplifies oversight requirements and maximizes
> safety,"
> said FAA regional director Barney Mudman. Instead, aircraft will be
> brought into the shows by flat-bed truck and assembled on site.
> The FAA
> says that it will be fielding inspectors to check the assembled
> aircraft
> to insure that there are "no pointy parts" or sharp surfaces on
> which the
> non-flying public could possibly injure themselves. Additionally,
> the FAA
> made the announcement that they will be working with the FDA to
> reduce the
> number of corn dog and funnel cake "incidents" at airshows.
>
>
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Now, this is the oppertunity to get a real YAK-18A www.yakuk.com/yak18a.asp Now thats a legitimate russian paint scheme !!!
Best regards, Mark
www.yakuk.com
+44 (0)1767 651156 office +44 (0)7785 538 317 mobile
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| Subject: | Re: FAA Air Show Changes |
But remember, you'll need to have cable TV in order to view the event from
home, since no spectators will actually be allowed on the premises, the
event will be broadcast via closed circuit television. (Certain blackout
areas may apply) This will have a R rating and no one under 18 will be
alowed to view the program.
Ernie
On 11/7/05, Stephen Fox <jsfox@adelphia.net> wrote:
>
> Wow what a relief. I thought we were only allowed to bring pictures of
> planes of a size no greater than 5"X7" and those needed to be placed in the
> center of a roped off viewing area of a least 10'X10'. Also it was my
> understanding *only* still images were permitted for fear that moving
> images may overly excite the crowds. Also in all pictures the planes needed
> to firmly on the ground, tied down or behind closed hangar doors.
> Furthermore at the request of HLS no pictures can be of planes on the ground
> under a present or future TFR or ADIZ.
> On Nov 7, 2005, at 2:48 PM, Jon Boede wrote:
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net>
>
> Washington D.C. -
> The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) today announced a series of
> changes to air show regulations which will make the shows substantially
> safer for both pilots and spectators. Noting that the flying portion of
> the airshow is what presents the greatest risk, the FAA today modified
> it's policies to eliminate all flying activities from airshows. "We feel
> that this greatly simplifies oversight requirements and maximizes safety,"
> said FAA regional director Barney Mudman. Instead, aircraft will be
> brought into the shows by flat-bed truck and assembled on site. The FAA
> says that it will be fielding inspectors to check the assembled aircraft
> to insure that there are "no pointy parts" or sharp surfaces on which the
> non-flying public could possibly injure themselves. Additionally, the FAA
> made the announcement that they will be working with the FDA to reduce the
> number of corn dog and funnel cake "incidents" at airshows.
>
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Well mother of all CJ's!
Where did you find that one? What engine is in it?
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd
Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Yak-List: YAK-18A
Now, this is the oppertunity to get a real YAK-18A www.yakuk.com/yak18a.asp Now thats a legitimate russian paint scheme !!!
Best regards, Mark
www.yakuk.com
+44 (0)1767 651156 office +44 (0)7785 538 317 mobile
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Well after asking the obvious dumb question, the answer was in the top left corner.
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd
Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Yak-List: YAK-18A
Now, this is the oppertunity to get a real YAK-18A www.yakuk.com/yak18a.asp Now thats a legitimate russian paint scheme !!!
Best regards, Mark
www.yakuk.com
+44 (0)1767 651156 office +44 (0)7785 538 317 mobile
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I dont see what kind of engine it is, where do you see it or better yet,
just tell me.
Ernie
On 11/7/05, Roger Kemp <viperdoc@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> Well after asking the obvious dumb question, the answer was in the top
> left corner.
> Doc
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd <mark.j@yakuk.com>
> *To: *YAK USA-list <yak-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent:* 11/7/2005 3:38:05 PM
> *Subject:* [Norton AntiSpam] Yak-List: YAK-18A
>
> Now, this is the oppertunity to get a real YAK-18A
> www.yakuk.com/yak18a.asp <http://www.yakuk.com/yak18a.asp> Now thats a
> legitimate russian paint scheme !!!
>
>
> Best regards, Mark
> www.yakuk.com <http://www.yakuk.com>
> +44 (0)1767 651156 office +44 (0)7785 538 317 mobile
>
>
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If it's stock it's 260 hp.
Oh, and Pappy, can you help these guys out about how this IS the mother of
all CJ's?? ;o)
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ernest Martinez
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 2:59 PM
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: [Norton AntiSpam] Yak-List: YAK-18A
I dont see what kind of engine it is, where do you see it or better yet,
just tell me.
Ernie
On 11/7/05, Roger Kemp <viperdoc@mindspring.com> wrote:
Well after asking the obvious dumb question, the answer was in the top
left corner.
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd
To: YAK USA-list
Sent: 11/7/2005 3:38:05 PM
Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Yak-List: YAK-18A
Now, this is the oppertunity to get a real YAK-18A
www.yakuk.com/yak18a.asp Now thats a legitimate russian paint scheme !!!
Best regards, Mark
www.yakuk.com
+44 (0)1767 651156 office +44 (0)7785 538 317 mobile
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In a message dated 11/7/2005 6:33:58 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
rvfltd@televar.com writes:
That's easy, just look at the pictures. Steel tube frame, struts and wires
to hold the damn tail together. Every damn surface is covered with fabric.
Gear folds forward just like a 52. Same airfoil as the 18 and 18U - Clark
Y. A blind man can see it. |-] Just proves my point. Even a 52 could fly
rings around this thing. The CJ was almost 15 kts faster with the 260 HS6
engine. Yea the cockpit looks like a CJ's, but systems don't make a aerodynamic
shape which determines performance. And the CJ is different and far more
efficient.
Come on guys you'r just trying to pull an old man's chain. It's late and
I'm going to go play with my wife. So there! ! ! !
Pappy
If it's stock it's 260 hp.
Oh, and Pappy, can you help these guys out about how this IS the mother of
all CJ's?? ;o)
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ernest Martinez
Subject: Re: [Norton AntiSpam] Yak-List: YAK-18A
I dont see what kind of engine it is, where do you see it or better yet,
just tell me.
Ernie
On 11/7/05, Roger Kemp <_viperdoc@mindspring.com_
(mailto:viperdoc@mindspring.com) > wrote:
Well after asking the obvious dumb question, the answer was in the top left
corner.
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: _Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd_ (mailto:mark.j@yakuk.com)
Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Yak-List: YAK-18A
Now, this is the oppertunity to get a real YAK-18A _www.yakuk.com/yak18a.asp
_ (http://www.yakuk.com/yak18a.asp) Now thats a legitimate russian paint
scheme !!!
Best regards, Mark
_www.yakuk.com_ (http://www.yakuk.com/)
+44 (0)1767 651156 office +44 (0)7785 538 317 mobile
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Pappy
You talked about Disney in Florida someday having a no fly zone around it.
Well, just an FYI..........Disney in California has had a TFR around it
since shortly after 911.
So you see, it can and will get worse if we do nothing.
Frank
YAK-52
N9110M
K32
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Gotta admit what Ernie did was pretty funny. I got the message after the
second paragraph of the first post.
Frank : )
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Frank,
You are slipping..the second paragraph to get it.
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: Frank Haertlein
Subject: Yak-List: Political realm
Gotta admit what Ernie did was pretty funny. I got the message after the second
paragraph of the first post.
Frank : )
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Pappy,
And we're doing a Damned fine job of it...Yanking your chain that is!
Uh Pappy, it is only 8:15 (2015 hours). I know it must be midnight somewhere in
the world!
Smokin' in da bedroom dat is!
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From:
Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: [Norton AntiSpam] Yak-List: YAK-18A
In a message dated 11/7/2005 6:33:58 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, rvfltd@televar.com
writes:
That's easy, just look at the pictures. Steel tube frame, struts and wires to
hold the damn tail together. Every damn surface is covered with fabric. Gear
folds forward just like a 52. Same airfoil as the 18 and 18U - Clark Y. A
blind man can see it. |-] Just proves my point. Even a 52 could fly rings around
this thing. The CJ was almost 15 kts faster with the 260 HS6 engine. Yea
the cockpit looks like a CJ's, but systems don't make a aerodynamic shape which
determines performance. And the CJ is different and far more efficient.
Come on guys you'r just trying to pull an old man's chain. It's late and I'm going
to go play with my wife. So there! ! ! !
Pappy
If it's stock it's 260 hp.
Oh, and Pappy, can you help these guys out about how this IS the mother of all
CJ's?? ;o)
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ernest Martinez
Subject: Re: [Norton AntiSpam] Yak-List: YAK-18A
I dont see what kind of engine it is, where do you see it or better yet, just tell
me.
Ernie
On 11/7/05, Roger Kemp <viperdoc@mindspring.com> wrote:
Well after asking the obvious dumb question, the answer was in the top left corner.
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd
Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Yak-List: YAK-18A
Now, this is the oppertunity to get a real YAK-18A www.yakuk.com/yak18a.asp Now thats a legitimate russian paint scheme !!!
Best regards, Mark
www.yakuk.com
+44 (0)1767 651156 office +44 (0)7785 538 317 mobile
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There has been a TFR over Disney World Orlando since 9/11
Ernie
On 11/7/05, Frank Haertlein <yak52driver@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> Pappy
> You talked about Disney in Florida someday having a no fly zone around
> it. Well, just an FYI..........Disney in California has had a TFR around it
> since shortly after 911.
> So you see, it can and will get worse if we do nothing.
> Frank
> YAK-52
> N9110M
> K32
>
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Ok...so we need to write our Senators and Representatives the that these TFR's
and not to say the least a Disney ADIZ would really put crimp in our ability to
fly over looking down Minnie's top. Sneaking peeps at Snow White will flat
be on the outs if this TFR/ADIZ thing get imbedded in concrete!
So write your respective Representatives and Senators to express your disdane for
this deprevation of our rights as aviators.. to fly over Disney land/world
or Washington for that matter.
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: Ernest Martinez
Subject: Re: Yak-List: NO-FLY ZONE
There has been a TFR over Disney World Orlando since 9/11
Ernie
On 11/7/05, Frank Haertlein <yak52driver@earthlink.net> wrote:
Pappy
You talked about Disney in Florida someday having a no fly zone around it. Well,
just an FYI..........Disney in California has had a TFR around it since shortly
after 911.
So you see, it can and will get worse if we do nothing.
Frank
YAK-52
N9110M
K32
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| Subject: | Re: Val's CJ expedition |
OK Cliff, you're actually starting to become rather endearing. ( I was aware
that it wasn't you who made the "flying United" comment....about your comments.)
(You had me at "Gurrrr!") Guess I'd better call my dad off.(LOL). He can't
see very well these days anyway and I'd probably have to give him radar vectors.
Thanks for the welcome. Hopefully we can do some tail chasing (don't even
go there you!) when I'm properly checked out in formation and that dogfighting
stuff.
Fraternally,
- Val
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| Subject: | REDSTARS WEBSITE |
Drew, Red Stars Web Manager
I got a permanent error trying to write to the Redstars webmanager. Below is
a copy of the bounced email message. As a current RPA member I'm wondering
why I can't gain access to the FAST manuals for download.
Thanks
Frank
Bounced message.....................................
This message was created automatically by mail delivery software.
A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:
webmanager@flyredstar.org
SMTP error from remote mailer after RCPT TO:<webmanager@flyredstar.org>:
host mail.flyredstar.org [67.78.5.106]: 550 Requested action not taken:
mailbox unavailable or not local
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I for one don't want to give up my flying freedoms. The DC ADIZ is a prime
example of the response of government when it perceives a threat. I see the
loss of our flying freedoms as a real possibility if we happen to get
attacked by a bunch of muslims in small aircraft (anthrax, poison gas, etc).
The malevolent attitudes of a vast majority of muslims are testament to the
inability of the islamic cult to practice tolerance with peaceful religions
and non-believers.
I'll probly catch hell for this but I think, in order to secure our
freedoms, it would be easier to round up all muslims and deport them to
wherever they came from.
I really hope I'll have to eat those words one day......but I doubt it.
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cjpilot710@aol.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: The DC ADIZ NPRM
In a message dated 11/4/2005 10:50:38 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
brian-yak@lloyd.com writes:
It was just reported that Minette was going to extend the comment period on
the DC ADIZ. It was also reported that some 18,000 responses (mine included
I hope) have been filed against it so far. You 'Westies' may think this
isn't a bother for you, but the big concern that EAA or AOPA is spouting is
that the big cities will want to follow suit "Hay Washington's got it. Why
can't we?). I believe they are right. We just need this shit all over the
rest of the country.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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| Subject: | NOTE : YOU WILL WIND UP WITH A LOOSE POPPET VALVE ONE DAY! |
CAUTION..........M14P owners and YAK-52 Drivers.............YOU WILL WIND UP
WITH A LOOSE POPPET VALVE ONE DAY!
My recent air compressor problems were traced to a loose poppet valve on the
compressor output line. The poppet valve screws into the compressor
housing/cylinder and the entire poppet valve was loose in it's bore. It had
been "hogged" out slightly from constant engine vibration due to the hard
steel line connecting it to the firewall. The steel line has a 360 degree
bend in it to help reduce stress but the line is still so stiff (made of
steel) that it won't help matters in the long run.
It's my opinion that it could eventually happen to every YAK in the fleet.
Seems to me that a flex line in this area is the way to go to ensure
longevity of the compressor housing/cylinder and poppet valve assembly.
I'd be willing to bet that other YAKKERS have experienced the same thing.
Does anyone have a flex line they would like to sell that will replace the
stock steel line?
I think it would go a long way to keep this from happening again.
Frank
N9110M
YAK-52
K32
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frank Haertlein
Subject: Yak-List: AIR PUMP BLUES
I need to send out a thank you to list members for their help with my 52's
compressor problems.
I checked the snot bottle, then the one way valves/filter tree and
everything looked good.
I was beginning to think compressor failure so I started to remove the
poppet valve/banjo fitting and noticed it was way loose.
Loose enough to cause it to leak badly.
Tightened everything back up. Tomorrow comes the flight test and final
check.
Thanks for all the help guys.
Frank
N9110M
K32
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| Subject: | Re: NOTE : YOU WILL WIND UP WITH A LOOSE POPPET VALVE ONE DAY! |
In a message dated 11/7/2005 11:20:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
yak52driver@earthlink.net writes:
Interesting Frank,
This is the first time I've heard of that happening. How about anyone else
out there?
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
CAUTION..........M14P owners and YAK-52 Drivers.............YOU WILL WIND UP
WITH A LOOSE POPPET VALVE ONE DAY!
My recent air compressor problems were traced to a loose poppet valve on the
compressor output line. The poppet valve screws into the compressor
housing/cylinder and the entire poppet valve was loose in it's bore. It had been
"hogged" out slightly from constant engine vibration due to the hard steel line
connecting it to the firewall. The steel line has a 360 degree bend in it to
help reduce stress but the line is still so stiff (made of steel) that it
won't help matters in the long run.
It's my opinion that it could eventually happen to every YAK in the fleet.
Seems to me that a flex line in this area is the way to go to ensure
longevity of the compressor housing/cylinder and poppet valve assembly.
I'd be willing to bet that other YAKKERS have experienced the same thing.
Does anyone have a flex line they would like to sell that will replace the
stock steel line?
I think it would go a long way to keep this from happening again.
Frank
N9110M
YAK-52
K32
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frank Haertlein
Subject: Yak-List: AIR PUMP BLUES
I need to send out a thank you to list members for their help with my 52's
compressor problems.
I checked the snot bottle, then the one way valves/filter tree and
everything looked good.
I was beginning to think compressor failure so I started to remove the
poppet valve/banjo fitting and noticed it was way loose.
Loose enough to cause it to leak badly.
Tightened everything back up. Tomorrow comes the flight test and final check.
Thanks for all the help guys.
Frank
N9110M
K32
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| Subject: | Re: NOTE : YOU WILL WIND UP WITH A LOOSE POPPET VALVE ONE DAY! |
I have had one come loose on a Huosai some time ago. Found in trouble shooting
low compressor output. Cleaned, reinstalled with a new gasket. No further problems.
The CJ6 also use a steel pipe here but has (if I remember correctly) three full
coils in it.
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: cjpilot710@aol.com
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: NOTE : YOU WILL WIND UP WITH A LOOSE POPPET VALVE ONE
DAY!
In a message dated 11/7/2005 11:20:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, yak52driver@earthlink.net
writes:
Interesting Frank,
This is the first time I've heard of that happening. How about anyone else out
there?
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
CAUTION..........M14P owners and YAK-52 Drivers.............YOU WILL WIND UP
WITH A LOOSE POPPET VALVE ONE DAY!
My recent air compressor problems were traced to a loose poppet valve on the
compressor output line. The poppet valve screws into the compressor housing/cylinder
and the entire poppet valve was loose in it's bore. It had been "hogged"
out slightly from constant engine vibration due to the hard steel line connecting
it to the firewall. The steel line has a 360 degree bend in it to help
reduce stress but the line is still so stiff (made of steel) that it won't help
matters in the long run.
It's my opinion that it could eventually happen to every YAK in the fleet.
Seems to me that a flex line in this area is the way to go to ensure longevity
of the compressor housing/cylinder and poppet valve assembly.
I'd be willing to bet that other YAKKERS have experienced the same thing.
Does anyone have a flex line they would like to sell that will replace the
stock steel line?
I think it would go a long way to keep this from happening again.
Frank
N9110M
YAK-52
K32
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frank Haertlein
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 6:53 PM
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Yak-List: AIR PUMP BLUES
I need to send out a thank you to list members for their help with my 52's
compressor problems.
I checked the snot bottle, then the one way valves/filter tree and everything
looked good.
I was beginning to think compressor failure so I started to remove the poppet
valve/banjo fitting and noticed it was way loose.
Loose enough to cause it to leak badly.
Tightened everything back up. Tomorrow comes the flight test and final check.
Thanks for all the help guys.
Frank
N9110M
K32
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Val,
Skip the dogfighting and stick with the formation, tactical, and fighting wing
(the part of tactical that is "tail chase"). You will be safer that way. I'm not
for teaching all the non-military types ACM. At one time I thought it would
be cool to introduce everyone to air combat maneuvering. This is an old thread
from a while back. To ACM or not. RPA opted to not and in my opinion they were
correct in doing so. The liablity for RPA would be immense if someone got
hurt after attending a 3 day wonder course. Enough of that.
Have fun getting the "hang" of rejoins, cross unders, under shooting, finger tip
and those NAVY inspired hand signals.
When you get your FAST card, then step up to Tactical. Learning to do Hook turns
left/right, Inplace 90 left /right turns, cross turns, shackles, and combat
spread. Those hand signals you learned now become indistingishable at 3000 ft
spread, so you get to learn what a wing flash or a porpoise means in the fighter
community. Hint, it is not go trail.
So have fun as our newest Red Star Pilot.
Doc
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From: Valkyre1
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Val's CJ expedition
OK Cliff, you're actually starting to become rather endearing. ( I was aware
that it wasn't you who made the "flying United" comment....about your comments.)
(You had me at "Gurrrr!") Guess I'd better call my dad off.(LOL). He can't
see very well these days anyway and I'd probably have to give him radar vectors.
Thanks for the welcome. Hopefully we can do some tail chasing (don't even
go there you!) when I'm properly checked out in formation and that dogfighting
stuff.
Fraternally,
- Val
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Yeah, it's from the surface to 3,000 feet. So lets see, if our extremist flies
over Disney in a painfully slow 172 and decides to dive straight down it will
take him, what? One to two minutes to hit ground zero? The rationale for this
TFR is a farce. The tragedy is that Disney, a private corporation, has managed
to grab federal airspace for itself for it's own ends. Near where I live we
have a city that passed an ordinance that requires anyone flying over the city
at 3,000 feet or below to first obtain a city permit. The city's jurisdiction
is preempted by the FAA of course but that didn't stop the City Manager from
passing what is basically an unenforceable ordinance. I've heard that when the
nimbys complain enough, a police officer goes out to the airport and hands
out "warning" tickets to the landing pilots! I understand there are several
city's in Florida that have also passed similar ordinances. If this DC ADIZ goes
through it will set a precedent and I think a lot of cities will move very
quickly to get their own permanent flight restrictions in place.
Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: Ernest Martinez
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 8:29 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: NO-FLY ZONE
There has been a TFR over Disney World Orlando since 9/11
Ernie
On 11/7/05, Frank Haertlein <yak52driver@earthlink.net> wrote:
Pappy
You talked about Disney in Florida someday having a no fly zone around it.
Well, just an FYI..........Disney in California has had a TFR around it since
shortly after 911.
So you see, it can and will get worse if we do nothing.
Frank
YAK-52
N9110M
K32
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