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1. 12:29 AM - RE : [Norton AntiSpam] YAK-18A (PEYRACHE Patrick)
2. 06:46 AM - Re: NO-FLY ZONE (Fraser, Gus)
3. 07:00 AM - YOU WILL WIND UP WITH A LOOSE POPPET VALVE ONE DAY! (Tom Johnson)
4. 07:12 AM - Re: REDSTARS WEBSITE (Yak52)
5. 07:16 AM - Re: NOTE : YOU WILL WIND UP WITH A LOOSE POPPET VALVE ONE (Bob Fitzpatrick)
6. 07:17 AM - Re: NO-FLY ZONE (Fraser, Gus)
7. 07:37 AM - RPA Vote on new By-Laws and RPA news (Drew Blahnick)
8. 07:54 AM - Re: NO-FLY ZONE (gpa)
9. 08:10 AM - reason to buy a CJ: Doug Sapp (ron wasson)
10. 08:43 AM - Re: NOTE : YOU WILL WIND UP WITH A LOOSE POPPET VALVE ONE DAY! (Doug Sapp)
11. 08:59 AM - Re: NOTE : YOU WILL WIND UP WITH A LOOSE POPPET VALVE O (Bitterlich GS11 Mark G)
12. 09:18 AM - Re: YOU WILL WIND UP WITH A LOOSE POPPET VALVE ONE DAY! (Bitterlich GS11 Mark G)
13. 09:26 AM - Re: NOTE : YOU WILL WIND UP WITH A LOOSE POPPET VALVE O (Bitterlich GS11 Mark G)
14. 09:41 AM - Re: NOTE : YOU WILL WIND UP WITH A LOOSE POPPET VALVE ONE DAY! (Kevin Pilling)
15. 09:44 AM - Re: YAK-18A (Kevin Pilling)
16. 10:53 AM - Re: YOU WILL WIND UP WITH A LOOSE POPPET VALVE ONE DAY! (A. Dennis Savarese)
17. 10:57 AM - Re: NOTE : YOU WILL WIND UP WITH A LOOSE POPPET VALVE O NE DAY! (A. Dennis Savarese)
18. 11:36 AM - Re: NO-FLY ZONE (Richard Basiliere)
19. 11:57 AM - Re: Val's CJ expeditionVal's CJ expedition (Valkyre1)
20. 12:25 PM - Re: Val's CJ expeditionVal's CJ expedition (Roger Kemp)
21. 12:54 PM - LLC (Steve Wieland)
22. 01:08 PM - (ROBERT SCHWARTZ)
23. 01:14 PM - Re: NOTE : YOU WILL WIND UP WITH A LOOSE POPPET (Jim Bernier)
24. 02:18 PM - [ Craig Payne ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares)
25. 03:31 PM - Fuel Price Checker (Timothy Gagnon)
26. 03:41 PM - Re: YOU WILL WIND UP WITH A LOOSE POPPET VALVE ONE DAY! (Bitterlich GS11 Mark G)
27. 03:43 PM - Re: NOTE : YOU WILL WIND UP WITH A LOOSE POPPET VALVE O (Bitterlich GS11 Mark G)
28. 03:45 PM - Re: NOTE : YOU WILL WIND UP WITH A LOOSE POPPET VALVE O (Bitterlich GS11 Mark G)
29. 04:24 PM - Re: YOU WILL WIND UP WITH A LOOSE POPPET VALVE ONE DAY! (A. Dennis Savarese)
30. 04:32 PM - Re: YOU WILL WIND UP WITH A LOOSE POPPET VALVE ONE (Richard Basiliere)
31. 04:37 PM - Re: YOU WILL WIND UP WITH A LOOSE POPPET VALVE ONE DAY! (cjpilot710@aol.com)
32. 06:00 PM - Re: (JOE HOWSE)
33. 07:27 PM - STATIC CHECK OF AIR BOTTLES (Frank Haertlein)
34. 07:49 PM - Re: Airshows (Barry Hancock)
35. 07:49 PM - Re: REDSTARS WEBSITE (Frank Haertlein)
36. 08:07 PM - Re: LLC (Cliff Umscheid)
37. 10:09 PM - Canopy locks (Walt Murphy)
38. 10:19 PM - RPA members - HTML Email problems (Drew Blahnick)
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This rare bird (less than 10 flying in Europe and FSU) has an original IVCHENKO
AI 14 R 260 HP engine.
Engine and airframe correctly preserved, without any corrosion and with a low time
engine, it can be a very rare opportunity to get a historical aircraft genuinely
restaured to historical standards.
Range is more than 3 hours.
Genuine cruise speed is 250 KMH.
True useful VNE is 357 KMH, which permits a lot of (positive) aerobatcs fun up
to that speed.
Lots of parts are common with the 52 and CJ ....
Who could ask for anything more ?
-----Message d'origine-----
De : owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] De la part de cjpilot710@aol.com
Envoy=E9 : mardi 8 novembre 2005 02:31
=C0 : yak-list@matronics.com
Objet : Re: [Norton AntiSpam] Yak-List: YAK-18A
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In a message dated 11/7/2005 6:33:58 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, rvfltd@televar.com
writes:
That's easy, just look at the pictures. Steel tube frame, struts and wires
to hold the damn tail together. Every damn surface is covered with fabric.
Gear folds forward just like a 52. Same airfoil as the 18 and 18U - Clark
Y. A blind man can see it. |-] Just proves my point. Even a 52 could fly
rings around this thing. The CJ was almost 15 kts faster with the 260 HS6 engine.
Yea the cockpit looks like a CJ's, but systems don't make a aerodynamic
shape which determines performance. And the CJ is different and far more efficient.
Come on guys you'r just trying to pull an old man's chain. It's late and
I'm going to go play with my wife. So there! ! ! !
Pappy
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If it's stock it's 260 hp.
Oh, and Pappy, can you help these guys out about how this IS the
mother of all CJ's?? ;o)
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ernest Martinez
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 2:59 PM
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: [Norton AntiSpam] Yak-List: YAK-18A
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I dont see what kind of engine it is, where do you see
it or better yet, just tell me.
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Ernie
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On 11/7/05, Roger Kemp <viperdoc@mindspring.com> wrote:
Well after asking the obvious dumb question, the
answer was in the top left corner.
Doc
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----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd <mailto:mark.j@yakuk.com>
To: YAK USA-list <mailto:yak-list@matronics.com>
Sent: 11/7/2005 3:38:05 PM
Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Yak-List: YAK-18A
Now, this is the oppertunity to get a real YAK-18A www.yakuk.com/yak18a.asp <http://www.yakuk.com/yak18a.asp> Now thats a legitimate russian paint scheme !!!
Best regards, Mark
www.yakuk.com <http://www.yakuk.com/>
+44 (0)1767 651156 office +44 (0)7785 538
317 mobile
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Personally I think it is just a publicity stunt. If you can't see the image
file you will not get the joke.
Gus
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frank Haertlein
Subject: Yak-List: NO-FLY ZONE
Pappy
You talked about Disney in Florida someday having a no fly zone around it.
Well, just an FYI..........Disney in California has had a TFR around it
since shortly after 911.
So you see, it can and will get worse if we do nothing.
Frank
YAK-52
N9110M
K32
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Personally I think it is
just a publicity stunt. If you can't see the image file you will not get the
joke.
Gus
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frank
Haertlein
yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Yak-List: NO-FLY
ZONE
Pappy
You talked about Disney in Florida someday
having a no fly zone around it. Well, just an FYI..........Disney in
California has had a TFR around it since shortly after 911.
So you see, it can and will get worse if
we do nothing.
Frank
YAK-52
N9110M
K32<FONT id=role_document
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| Subject: | YOU WILL WIND UP WITH A LOOSE POPPET VALVE ONE DAY! |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Tom Johnson" <tomjohnson@cox.net>
This valve at the output of the compressor with the banjo fitting. .
Isn't this removed and cleaned at the annual every year?
Sure cuts down on compressor problems if completed.
TJ
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| Subject: | REDSTARS WEBSITE |
Frank - send it to webmaster or admin or deon@flyredstar.org.
Thanks,
Deon.
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frank Haertlein
Subject: Yak-List: REDSTARS WEBSITE
Drew, Red Stars Web Manager
I got a permanent error trying to write to the Redstars webmanager. Below is
a copy of the bounced email message. As a current RPA member I'm wondering
why I can't gain access to the FAST manuals for download.
Thanks
Frank
Bounced message.....................................
This message was created automatically by mail delivery software.
A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:
webmanager@flyredstar.org
SMTP error from remote mailer after RCPT TO:<webmanager@flyredstar.org>:
host mail.flyredstar.org [67.78.5.106]: 550 Requested action not taken:
mailbox unavailable or not local
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DAY!
| Subject: | Re: NOTE : YOU WILL WIND UP WITH A LOOSE POPPET VALVE ONE |
DAY!
--> Yak-List message posted by: Bob Fitzpatrick <rmfitz@direcway.com>
Frank,
Not all 52s are the same. Mine is a 93 model and it has a flex hose
downstream of the metal line. I would assume a parts supplier could
provide this. If you make your own be aware the metal coil is there to
dissipate heat from the compressed air so you don't want the flex going
all the way to the compressor.
bob
52BN
Frank Haertlein wrote:
> CAUTION..........M14P owners and YAK-52 Drivers.............YOU WILL
> WIND UP WITH A LOOSE POPPET VALVE ONE DAY!
>
> My recent air compressor problems were traced to a loose poppet valve
> on the compressor output line. The poppet valve screws into the
> compressor housing/cylinder and the entire poppet valve was loose in
> it's bore. It had been "hogged" out slightly from constant engine
> vibration due to the hard steel line connecting it to the firewall.
> The steel line has a 360 degree bend in it to help reduce stress but
> the line is still so stiff (made of steel) that it won't help matters
> in the long run.
>
> It's my opinion that it could eventually happen to every YAK in the fleet.
>
> Seems to me that a flex line in this area is the way to go to ensure
> longevity of the compressor housing/cylinder and poppet valve assembly.
>
> I'd be willing to bet that other YAKKERS have experienced the same thing.
>
> Does anyone have a flex line they would like to sell that will replace
> the stock steel line?
>
> I think it would go a long way to keep this from happening again.
>
> Frank
> N9110M
> YAK-52
> K32
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Frank
> Haertlein
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 06, 2005 6:53 PM
> *To:* yak-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Yak-List: AIR PUMP BLUES
>
> I need to send out a thank you to list members for their help with
> my 52's compressor problems.
>
> I checked the snot bottle, then the one way valves/filter tree and
> everything looked good.
>
> I was beginning to think compressor failure so I started to remove
> the poppet valve/banjo fitting and noticed it was way loose.
>
> Loose enough to cause it to leak badly.
>
> Tightened everything back up. Tomorrow comes the flight test and
> final check.
>
> Thanks for all the help guys.
>
> Frank
> N9110M
> K32
>
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I warned you all about this before, see http://www.freeskies.org/
<http://www.freeskies.org/>
This is becoming a reality here in the NE. Coming to an airport near you
soon. Now even if Federal law is on your side you still need to provide
yourself with a defense if they go after you. This group is at the for front
of fighting this fight if you value your freedom to fly put a price on it
and donate to the defense fund. Remember talk is cheap legal defense costs
money.
If the first case is won with a resounding success, by us, the idea will
hopefully die. If not those nimbies around your airport will gain strength
from the success and maybe come after you. These people are organized, they
have not much going on in their lives so the sit, ruminate, plan, scheme and
act. We, unfortunately are so busy having fun and flying that we assume that
they spend as much time worrying about this stuff as we do, that is a
mistake they are obsessed with this stuff.
Given that recent performance of the FAA for proving the total lack of
gonads in the fight against challenges to it's authority (Meigs, TSA,
aerobatics boxes requiring environmental studies etc etc) it is down to us
to do their job for them. If you think that "it's ok I will just fly and
someone else will spend the time looking after me" then you deserve to have
your flight freedom taken away.
We need to take a leaf out of the NRA playbook. We are an autonomous
collective, we do not have a central point around which we can organize.
Well hell in the early days neither did the NRA but nobody would doubt the
influence that they have today. Regardless of your views on their cause you
have to admire the way they do business.
As pilots we are scared, scared to make too much noise, no pun intended,
scared to stand up and be counted. Now the response to the ADIZ NPRM
comments is a perfect example of this. Some may say that the 16,000 comments
thus far is a success, I say it is a disgrace. Out of all the pilots that
hold US licenses only 16,000 care enough about the right to fly to do even
this small thing to protect it. I despair, we are sunk, we do not deserve to
fly if we can be that apathetic about such an important matter.
The kids that you see at the airport next time you fly just go over and tell
them that when they grow up they will not be able to fly because you chose
to do nothing when the right to fly was threatened, I am sure they will
understand.
Frustrated beyond belief.
Gus
_____
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gpa
Subject: Re: Yak-List: NO-FLY ZONE
Yeah, it's from the surface to 3,000 feet. So lets see, if our extremist
flies over Disney in a painfully slow 172 and decides to dive straight down
it will take him, what? One to two minutes to hit ground zero? The
rationale for this TFR is a farce. The tragedy is that Disney, a private
corporation, has managed to grab federal airspace for itself for it's own
ends. Near where I live we have a city that passed an ordinance that
requires anyone flying over the city at 3,000 feet or below to first obtain
a city permit. The city's jurisdiction is preempted by the FAA of course but
that didn't stop the City Manager from passing what is basically an
unenforceable ordinance. I've heard that when the nimbys complain enough, a
police officer goes out to the airport and hands out "warning" tickets to
the landing pilots! I understand there are several city's in Florida that
have also passed similar ordinances. If this DC ADIZ goes through it will
set a precedent and I think a lot of cities will move very quickly to get
their own permanent flight restrictions in place.
Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: Ernest <mailto:erniel29@gmail.com> Martinez
Subject: Re: Yak-List: NO-FLY ZONE
There has been a TFR over Disney World Orlando since 9/11
Ernie
On 11/7/05, Frank Haertlein <yak52driver@earthlink.net
<mailto:yak52driver@earthlink.net> > wrote:
Pappy
You talked about Disney in Florida someday having a no fly zone around it.
Well, just an FYI..........Disney in California has had a TFR around it
since shortly after 911.
So you see, it can and will get worse if we do nothing.
Frank
YAK-52
N9110M
K32
<META content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.2769" name=GENERATOR>
<STYLE></STYLE>
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>I warned you all about this before, see <A
/">http://www.freeskies.org/
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>This is becoming a reality here in the NE. Coming to an
airport near you soon. Now even if Federal law is on your side you still need to
provide yourself with a defense if they go after you. This group is at the for
front of fighting this fight if you value your freedom to fly put a price on it
and donate to the defense fund. Remember talk is cheap legal defense costs
money.
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>If the first case is won with a resounding success, by
us,the idea will hopefully die. If not those nimbies around your airport
will gain strength from the success and maybe come after you. These people are
organized, they have not much going on in their lives so the sit, ruminate,
plan, scheme and act. We, unfortunately are so busy having fun and flying that
we assume that they spend as much time worrying about this stuff as we do, that
is a mistake they are obsessed with this stuff.
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Given that recent performance of the FAA for proving the
total lack of gonads in the fight against challenges to it'sauthority
(Meigs, TSA, aerobatics boxes requiring environmental studies etc etc) it is
down to us to do their job for them. If you think that "it's ok I will just fly
and someone else will spend the time looking after me" then you deserve to have
your flight freedom taken away.
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>We need to take a leaf out of the NRA playbook. We are an
autonomous collective, we do not have a central point around which we can
organize. Well hell in the early days neither did the NRA but nobody would doubt
the influence that they have today. Regardless of your views on their cause you
have to admire the way they do business.
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>As pilots we are scared, scared to make too much noise, no
pun intended, scared to stand up and be counted. Now the response to the ADIZ
NPRM comments is a perfect example of this. Some may say that the 16,000
comments thus far is a success, I say it is a disgrace. Out of all the pilots
that hold US licenses only 16,000 care enough about the right to fly to do even
this small thing to protect it. I despair, we are sunk, we do not deserve to fly
if we can be that apathetic about such an important matter.
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>The kids that you see at the airport next time you fly just
go over and tell them that when they grow up they will not be able to fly
because you chose to do nothing when the right to fly was threatened, I am sure
they will understand.
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Frustrated beyond belief.
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>
<FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Gus
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
gpa
yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: NO-FLY
ZONE
Yeah, it's from the surface to 3,000 feet.
So lets see, if our extremist flies over Disneyin a painfully slow 172
and decides to dive straight down it will take him, what? One to
twominutes to hit ground zero? The rationale for this TFR is a
farce.The tragedy is that Disney, a private corporation, has
managed to grab federal airspace for itself for it's own ends. Near where I
live we have acity that passed an ordinance that requires anyone flying
over the cityat 3,000 feet or belowto first obtain a city permit.
The city's jurisdiction is preempted by the FAA of course but that didn't stop
theCity Managerfrom passing what is basically an unenforceable
ordinance.I've heard that when the nimbys complain enough, a police
officer goes out to the airport and hands out "warning" tickets to the landing
pilots! I understand there are several city's in Florida that have
also passed similar ordinances. If this DC ADIZ goes through it will set a
precedent and I think a lot ofcities will movevery quickly to
gettheir own permanent flight restrictions in place.
Greg<FONT face=Arial
size=2>
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style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT:
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----- Original Message -----
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black">From:
<A title=erniel29@gmail.com ">Ernest
Martinez
To: <A title=yak-list@matronics.com
">yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 8:29
PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: NO-FLY
ZONE
There has been a TFR over Disney World Orlando since
9/11
Ernie
<SPAN class=gmail_quote>On 11/7/05, <B class=gmail_sendername>Frank
Haertlein <A
">yak52driver@earthlink.net
wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE class=gmail_quote
style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204)
1px solid">
Pappy
You talked about Disney in Florida someday having a no fly zone
around it. Well, just an FYI..........Disney in California has had a TFR
around it since shortly after 911.
So you see, it can and will get worse if we do
nothing.
Frank
YAK-52
N9110M
K32
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| Subject: | RPA Vote on new By-Laws and RPA news |
Folks,
Member or not, please take a read...
If your a member of the RPA in Calendar year 2005 or beyond, please read this informative
email on RPA 2006, if your not a member, I would take a gander as well
at RPA news below, behind the scenes we've been working to improve the association...Please
respond off list by replying directly to this email, thank you.
1. By-Law Election is on now through December:
If you are an RPA member with active membership in the calendar year 2005 or beyond,
yesterday an E-Com was sent out to our database of members providing a link
to Vote online for or against the new Organizational structure (By-Laws).
- If you believe you are an active member of the RPA by this definition but recieved no voter ballot yesterday, go to www.flyredstar.org for voter instructions there. Here are two other solutions:
- Check your email software spam folder for any email with "RPA" in the subject
line
- The following emails "bounced", if you see your old email address here, you need
to log on to the website and update your email address with the RPA to recieve
future e-coms (if you recognize an old friends email here you may want to
give him a heads up):
RVatorN513J@msn.com
randairetv@aol.com
dastrawn@mindspring.com
taildraggr@msn.com
cweller9@netscape.net
sabrina@gesoco.com
granty@bigpond.com.au
n777ze@comcast.net
bennett@knology.net
cmason@csonline.net
steveflyfast@aol.com
jsfox@adelphia.net
vernricks@microsped.com
No system is perfect, we had a member on the unsubscribe list that says he never
requested that, so I respectfully publish unsubscribes and dates, if this is
innacurate, just email me off list to correct:
yakflt@aol.com 2005-06-20
psalter@aol.com 2005-10-17
jokeefe@frontiernet.net 2005-10-28
The BoD approved the bylaws Nov 6th to send to members for approval, a lot of work
went in to them to solve organizational issues that hampers any volunteer
operation of this scope. You can download and read the highlighted by-laws on
the public side of the web site to get an idea of these changes.
Other RPA news:
1. Website to be redone/simplified:
Over the winter we are going to rework the look and navigation structure of the
RPA website to make it simpler to use and more information on the public side.
We all want it easier for folks to grab the information they need, I especially
want "event registration" to be a one-click, public side access, no brainer,
as this is a service to our regional event organizers.
2. E-Coms:
Ashley Battles has volunteered as Editor in Chief and will head up distribution
of all "E-Coms" in 2006. The goal is to insure they get out on schedule and contain
the information interesting to members. This includes the Qtrly Newsletter,
Training Bulletin "Hangar Talk", Technical Service Bulletin "Metrics", Pre-event
bulletins, Periodic Member NOTAMS and Election Ballots. She is a Wing
Walker performing in airshows and is aquiring a Yak 52. Please note: I've gotten
requests for more technical publications/information. She and the RPA will
need members/owners out there to provide technical column content for the
"Metrics" Newsletter. If you would like to volunteer to work with Ashley in 2006
in providing column information, as a writer, etc.on any product, email her
at pilotashley@hotmail.com E-Coms are an effective communication tool, but
like all services, it relies on a base of active volunteers. This is a very creative
area of the association, if you want to join
the
writers & content providers pool, email her.
3. RPA Events and National Coordination:
We have Formation Team Challenges at events on the west coast and east coast, what
is missing is some national scoring standards to bring them together for national
ranking and perhaps recognition at the new annual membership meeting in
the bylaws. This is one concept for the National Event Coordinators office.
Zoe Albrecht, who works for Team Red, has volunteered to help coordinate the
efforts of this office. Zoes primary goal is to publish a member wide pre-event
bulletin for all members to stay abreast of upcoming event information and
insure the online event info is accurate, yet with some volunteer assistance
much more can come from this unique office. Jim Goolsby is writing the national
formation team challenge scoring standards, and this could expand to everything
from Bomb Drop standards, best in show, crud scoring, etc. Zoe will be provided
a special events page on the website to post/tally such information as we
redo the website. If you would like to volunteer w
here you
can in the NEC, email Zoe at Zalbrecht@datatechnique.com
4. Regional Directors:
If the by-laws pass, a short nomination period for 6 new regional directors will
take place. Look for that if you would like to run regionally for the RPA board
of directors, we have a healthy list now, but please consider running. Regional
elections will take place in the first month of 2006. The regional map
is located on the website home page.
5. National Directors:
We have 3 National director slots up for grabs for a June-July election. That nomination
period will open this month (Nov) as per the proposed bylaws. Two ways
to run for the board under the new system, regionally or a limited number
of nationals.
6. Terms of election and overlap:
Under these bylaws, if approved by you, future board elections will run with (6)
Regional elections first , then a year later (3) National elections and the
following year this combined board will elect the Executive Officers (Pres, Vp,
Treasurer and Secretary). This overlap process notionally starts from base year
July 2005 with three year terms for all. You can do the math from there. The
delay is due to the By-Law writing and ratification process.
7. Sponsored Airshow Mass Formation Teams
I don't want to go too in-depth on this now until its closer to execution, but
a few motivated RPA members to be identified in a later E-Com/E-mail, are spearheading
a program to place RPA volunteer members at the annual ICAS convention
to man a booth for our signatory. Their goal? To promote and schedule the RPAs
own regionally managed and deployed airshow mass formation teams collectively
under one name, "RedStar". This is a new system of interconnectivity with
ICAS and the airshow organizers/industry and more info will go out in future
E-Coms to the members on program details and requirements to join such deployable
airshow teams as those folks developing the program move forward.
So thats it for now, again, if you want to join the writers pool its Ashley, or
help expand the National Events, its Zoe, take care and fly often, fly safe.
Drew Blahnick
From the RPA President & Board of Directors
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It would be funny if it really was mouse shaped. Here's a real picture of Disney's
TFR. Disney has wanted the banner towers and low fliers gone for years. They
saw their shot and took it.
Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: Fraser, Gus
To: 'yak-list@matronics.com'
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 8:45 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: NO-FLY ZONE
Personally I think it is just a publicity stunt. If you can't see the image file
you will not get the joke.
Gus
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frank Haertlein
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 8:39 PM
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Yak-List: NO-FLY ZONE
Pappy
You talked about Disney in Florida someday having a no fly zone around it.
Well, just an FYI..........Disney in California has had a TFR around it since
shortly after 911.
So you see, it can and will get worse if we do nothing.
Frank
YAK-52
N9110M
K32
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| Subject: | reason to buy a CJ: Doug Sapp |
--> Yak-List message posted by: ron wasson <ronwasson@mindspring.com>
Doug
Thanks for the great support. I did not expect you to fix my air
valve seat problem for free.
ron wasson
ronwasson@mindspring.com
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| Subject: | NOTE : YOU WILL WIND UP WITH A LOOSE POPPET VALVE ONE DAY! |
MessageFrank,
Tell me the length, and fitting sizes, I can make up any flexible hose you
need. It will come to you pressure tested and leak free to 1000 psi.
Always Yakin,
Doug Sapp
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Frank Haertlein
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 8:18 PM
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Yak-List: NOTE : YOU WILL WIND UP WITH A LOOSE POPPET VALVE ONE
DAY!
CAUTION..........M14P owners and YAK-52 Drivers.............YOU WILL WIND
UP WITH A LOOSE POPPET VALVE ONE DAY!
My recent air compressor problems were traced to a loose poppet valve on
the compressor output line. The poppet valve screws into the compressor
housing/cylinder and the entire poppet valve was loose in it's bore. It had
been "hogged" out slightly from constant engine vibration due to the hard
steel line connecting it to the firewall. The steel line has a 360 degree
bend in it to help reduce stress but the line is still so stiff (made of
steel) that it won't help matters in the long run.
It's my opinion that it could eventually happen to every YAK in the fleet.
Seems to me that a flex line in this area is the way to go to ensure
longevity of the compressor housing/cylinder and poppet valve assembly.
I'd be willing to bet that other YAKKERS have experienced the same thing.
Does anyone have a flex line they would like to sell that will replace the
stock steel line?
I think it would go a long way to keep this from happening again.
Frank
N9110M
YAK-52
K32
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frank Haertlein
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 6:53 PM
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Yak-List: AIR PUMP BLUES
I need to send out a thank you to list members for their help with my
52's compressor problems.
I checked the snot bottle, then the one way valves/filter tree and
everything looked good.
I was beginning to think compressor failure so I started to remove the
poppet valve/banjo fitting and noticed it was way loose.
Loose enough to cause it to leak badly.
Tightened everything back up. Tomorrow comes the flight test and final
check.
Thanks for all the help guys.
Frank
N9110M
K32
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NE DAY!
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NE DAY!
Frank, I have been saying that for a long time, but the argument I got back
was that the steel circle in the original line was "needed". I disagree
with that view, but to each their own.
The Sukhoi model aircraft use exactly the right length line to their smoke
system. I can't remember whether it is the left smoke line, or the right
smoke line (to the stack) it is, but one of them replaces that steel line
you mention PERFECTLY. I took my measurements from a SU-26.
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Haertlein [mailto:yak52driver@earthlink.net]
Subject: Yak-List: NOTE : YOU WILL WIND UP WITH A LOOSE POPPET VALVE ONE
DAY!
CAUTION..........M14P owners and YAK-52 Drivers.............YOU WILL WIND UP
WITH A LOOSE POPPET VALVE ONE DAY!
My recent air compressor problems were traced to a loose poppet valve on the
compressor output line. The poppet valve screws into the compressor
housing/cylinder and the entire poppet valve was loose in it's bore. It had
been "hogged" out slightly from constant engine vibration due to the hard
steel line connecting it to the firewall. The steel line has a 360 degree
bend in it to help reduce stress but the line is still so stiff (made of
steel) that it won't help matters in the long run.
It's my opinion that it could eventually happen to every YAK in the fleet.
Seems to me that a flex line in this area is the way to go to ensure
longevity of the compressor housing/cylinder and poppet valve assembly.
I'd be willing to bet that other YAKKERS have experienced the same thing.
Does anyone have a flex line they would like to sell that will replace the
stock steel line?
I think it would go a long way to keep this from happening again.
Frank
N9110M
YAK-52
K32
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frank Haertlein
Subject: Yak-List: AIR PUMP BLUES
I need to send out a thank you to list members for their help with my 52's
compressor problems.
I checked the snot bottle, then the one way valves/filter tree and
everything looked good.
I was beginning to think compressor failure so I started to remove the
poppet valve/banjo fitting and noticed it was way loose.
Loose enough to cause it to leak badly.
Tightened everything back up. Tomorrow comes the flight test and final
check.
Thanks for all the help guys.
Frank
N9110M
K32
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| Subject: | YOU WILL WIND UP WITH A LOOSE POPPET VALVE ONE DAY! |
Tom,
I have been running my YAK-50 for close to 6 years now and I HAD to KEEP
messing with that Banjo all the time... when I finally got it to where it
would not come loose... POOF... the steel line broke. I believe I managed to
move the weakest point to the line instead of the Banjo! This EXACT same
thing happened to Hubie Tolson with his original 52, and now AGAIN with the
52 he just bought from Vladimir.
ALL of the Sukhoi's use a Flex Hose instead of rigid. ALL OF THEM... 26's,
29,'s, 30 series, etc.
I put on a flex hose 3 years ago and have not had a problem since. I used
the Flex hose off a Sukhoi 26 smoke system, and posted a message about it
here. I also do NOT take the banjo fitting off and clean it every year.
When I had the problem with the banjo fitting, I only cleaned the poppet
valve itself once. So, I have cleaned the poppet valve once, and have put a
flex hose on it 3 years ago. The aircraft now has a total of over 600 hours
on it, with the same original compressor. It still works perfectly.
On the other hand.... the 52 that has the rigid line on it has come loose so
many time, the threads in the compressor base where the banjo screws in are
WORN OUT.... even though the compressor is still good, it now needs
replacement.
I really do not think it is a wise idea to remove the whole banjo to clean
that poppet once a year. I put it in with a lifetime thread locker compound
and with the flex line, have not messed with it since.
An interesting question would be this: Many people have rigged up an
unloader for the compressor at the snot valve, so that after they reach full
pressure in the bottle(s), (bottles in a 50, bottle on a 52) they can open
this up and allow the compressor to work against no head pressure. The idea
is to extend the life of the compressor. On the flip side of that coin is
that now, with the compressor working against no head pressure, the
operating conditions of that poppet valve have been changed. Changed to
WHAT, I am not exactly sure, but there is definitely going to be a
temperature differential greater with no head pressure than there would have
been with the head pressure, plus other factors.
I do not have an unloader. I also have a flex hose. I have had NO
compressor or poppet valve problems at all since the install of the flex
line (or before for that matter).
Just my 2 cents Tom, but I personally am not going to rip mine apart every
year just "because".
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Johnson [mailto:tomjohnson@cox.net]
Subject: Yak-List: YOU WILL WIND UP WITH A LOOSE POPPET VALVE ONE DAY!
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Tom Johnson" <tomjohnson@cox.net>
This valve at the output of the compressor with the banjo fitting. .
Isn't this removed and cleaned at the annual every year?
Sure cuts down on compressor problems if completed.
TJ
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NE DAY!
| Subject: | NOTE : YOU WILL WIND UP WITH A LOOSE POPPET VALVE O |
NE DAY!
Sorry to post so much about this, but I have to disagree with what you said
Bob. My opinion is that the coil in that line is not there to dissipate
heat, but to provide a degree of movement between an engine vibrating in
it's mount and a fixed firewall.
Regardless of who is right or wrong about the heat issue ...... the facts
are these:
ALL of the SUKHOI's use a flexible hose.... going all the way from the
compressor to the snot valve. This is done from the factory. The compressor
and snot valves are identical between the YAKS and SUKES.
I have done the same thing with my 50 for years now with no problems
what-so-ever, and I do not run an unloader.
Mark Bitterlich
p.s. How many other 52 owners have a combination line? A steel line with a
coil AND a flex line?
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Fitzpatrick [mailto:rmfitz@direcway.com]
Subject: Re: Yak-List: NOTE : YOU WILL WIND UP WITH A LOOSE POPPET VALVE
ONE DAY!
--> Yak-List message posted by: Bob Fitzpatrick <rmfitz@direcway.com>
Frank,
Not all 52s are the same. Mine is a 93 model and it has a flex hose
downstream of the metal line. I would assume a parts supplier could
provide this. If you make your own be aware the metal coil is there to
dissipate heat from the compressed air so you don't want the flex going
all the way to the compressor.
bob
52BN
Frank Haertlein wrote:
> CAUTION..........M14P owners and YAK-52 Drivers.............YOU WILL
> WIND UP WITH A LOOSE POPPET VALVE ONE DAY!
>
> My recent air compressor problems were traced to a loose poppet valve
> on the compressor output line. The poppet valve screws into the
> compressor housing/cylinder and the entire poppet valve was loose in
> it's bore. It had been "hogged" out slightly from constant engine
> vibration due to the hard steel line connecting it to the firewall.
> The steel line has a 360 degree bend in it to help reduce stress but
> the line is still so stiff (made of steel) that it won't help matters
> in the long run.
>
> It's my opinion that it could eventually happen to every YAK in the fleet.
>
> Seems to me that a flex line in this area is the way to go to ensure
> longevity of the compressor housing/cylinder and poppet valve assembly.
>
> I'd be willing to bet that other YAKKERS have experienced the same thing.
>
> Does anyone have a flex line they would like to sell that will replace
> the stock steel line?
>
> I think it would go a long way to keep this from happening again.
>
> Frank
> N9110M
> YAK-52
> K32
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Frank
> Haertlein
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 06, 2005 6:53 PM
> *To:* yak-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Yak-List: AIR PUMP BLUES
>
> I need to send out a thank you to list members for their help with
> my 52's compressor problems.
>
> I checked the snot bottle, then the one way valves/filter tree and
> everything looked good.
>
> I was beginning to think compressor failure so I started to remove
> the poppet valve/banjo fitting and noticed it was way loose.
>
> Loose enough to cause it to leak badly.
>
> Tightened everything back up. Tomorrow comes the flight test and
> final check.
>
> Thanks for all the help guys.
>
> Frank
> N9110M
> K32
>
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| Subject: | Re: NOTE : YOU WILL WIND UP WITH A LOOSE POPPET VALVE ONE DAY! |
RE: Yak-List: NOTE : YOU WILL WIND UP WITH A LOOSE POPPET VALVE ONE DAY!The steel
pipe is there because its cheaper to manufacture and
a flexible is time life'd.......when there is no obvious reason its
invariably cost.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bitterlich GS11 Mark G
To: 'yak-list@matronics.com'
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 5:26 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: NOTE : YOU WILL WIND UP WITH A LOOSE POPPET VALVE ONE
DAY!
Sorry to post so much about this, but I have to disagree with what you said Bob.
My opinion is that the coil in that line is not there to dissipate heat,
but to provide a degree of movement between an engine vibrating in it's mount
and a fixed firewall.
Regardless of who is right or wrong about the heat issue ...... the facts are
these:
ALL of the SUKHOI's use a flexible hose.... going all the way from the compressor
to the snot valve. This is done from the factory. The compressor and snot
valves are identical between the YAKS and SUKES.
I have done the same thing with my 50 for years now with no problems what-so-ever,
and I do not run an unloader.
Mark Bitterlich
p.s. How many other 52 owners have a combination line? A steel line with a
coil AND a flex line?
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Fitzpatrick [mailto:rmfitz@direcway.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 10:19 AM
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: NOTE : YOU WILL WIND UP WITH A LOOSE POPPET VALVE
ONE DAY!
--> Yak-List message posted by: Bob Fitzpatrick <rmfitz@direcway.com>
Frank,
Not all 52s are the same. Mine is a 93 model and it has a flex hose
downstream of the metal line. I would assume a parts supplier could
provide this. If you make your own be aware the metal coil is there to
dissipate heat from the compressed air so you don't want the flex going
all the way to the compressor.
bob
52BN
Frank Haertlein wrote:
> CAUTION..........M14P owners and YAK-52 Drivers.............YOU WILL
> WIND UP WITH A LOOSE POPPET VALVE ONE DAY!
>
> My recent air compressor problems were traced to a loose poppet valve
> on the compressor output line. The poppet valve screws into the
> compressor housing/cylinder and the entire poppet valve was loose in
> it's bore. It had been "hogged" out slightly from constant engine
> vibration due to the hard steel line connecting it to the firewall.
> The steel line has a 360 degree bend in it to help reduce stress but
> the line is still so stiff (made of steel) that it won't help matters
> in the long run.
>
> It's my opinion that it could eventually happen to every YAK in the fleet.
>
> Seems to me that a flex line in this area is the way to go to ensure
> longevity of the compressor housing/cylinder and poppet valve assembly.
>
> I'd be willing to bet that other YAKKERS have experienced the same thing.
>
> Does anyone have a flex line they would like to sell that will replace
> the stock steel line?
>
> I think it would go a long way to keep this from happening again.
>
> Frank
> N9110M
> YAK-52
> K32
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Frank
> Haertlein
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 06, 2005 6:53 PM
> *To:* yak-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Yak-List: AIR PUMP BLUES
>
> I need to send out a thank you to list members for their help with
> my 52's compressor problems.
>
> I checked the snot bottle, then the one way valves/filter tree and
> everything looked good.
>
> I was beginning to think compressor failure so I started to remove
> the poppet valve/banjo fitting and noticed it was way loose.
>
> Loose enough to cause it to leak badly.
>
> Tightened everything back up. Tomorrow comes the flight test and
> final check.
>
> Thanks for all the help guys.
>
> Frank
> N9110M
> K32
>
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Nice pictures.......taken where ?
kp
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Jefferies YAK UK Ltd
To: YAK USA-list
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 9:38 PM
Subject: Yak-List: YAK-18A
Now, this is the oppertunity to get a real YAK-18A www.yakuk.com/yak18a.asp Now thats a legitimate russian paint scheme !!!
Best regards, Mark
www.yakuk.com
+44 (0)1767 651156 office +44 (0)7785 538 317 mobile
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| Subject: | Re: YOU WILL WIND UP WITH A LOOSE POPPET VALVE ONE DAY! |
RE: Yak-List: YOU WILL WIND UP WITH A LOOSE POPPET VALVE ONE DAY!Just my 2 cents
- once the pressure has built up to the preset pressure of the "pop-off valve"
or pressure relief valve, all excess pressure is being dumped overboard through
the pop off valve. So why do you need to open the snot valve?
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Bitterlich GS11 Mark G
To: 'yak-list@matronics.com'
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 11:19 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: YOU WILL WIND UP WITH A LOOSE POPPET VALVE ONE DAY!
Tom,
I have been running my YAK-50 for close to 6 years now and I HAD to KEEP messing
with that Banjo all the time... when I finally got it to where it would not
come loose... POOF... the steel line broke. I believe I managed to move the
weakest point to the line instead of the Banjo! This EXACT same thing happened
to Hubie Tolson with his original 52, and now AGAIN with the 52 he just bought
from Vladimir.
ALL of the Sukhoi's use a Flex Hose instead of rigid. ALL OF THEM... 26's, 29,'s,
30 series, etc.
I put on a flex hose 3 years ago and have not had a problem since. I used the
Flex hose off a Sukhoi 26 smoke system, and posted a message about it here.
I also do NOT take the banjo fitting off and clean it every year. When I had
the problem with the banjo fitting, I only cleaned the poppet valve itself once.
So, I have cleaned the poppet valve once, and have put a flex hose on it 3
years ago. The aircraft now has a total of over 600 hours on it, with the same
original compressor. It still works perfectly.
On the other hand.... the 52 that has the rigid line on it has come loose so
many time, the threads in the compressor base where the banjo screws in are WORN
OUT.... even though the compressor is still good, it now needs replacement.
I really do not think it is a wise idea to remove the whole banjo to clean that
poppet once a year. I put it in with a lifetime thread locker compound and
with the flex line, have not messed with it since.
An interesting question would be this: Many people have rigged up an unloader
for the compressor at the snot valve, so that after they reach full pressure
in the bottle(s), (bottles in a 50, bottle on a 52) they can open this up and
allow the compressor to work against no head pressure. The idea is to extend
the life of the compressor. On the flip side of that coin is that now, with
the compressor working against no head pressure, the operating conditions of that
poppet valve have been changed. Changed to WHAT, I am not exactly sure, but
there is definitely going to be a temperature differential greater with no
head pressure than there would have been with the head pressure, plus other factors.
I do not have an unloader. I also have a flex hose. I have had NO compressor
or poppet valve problems at all since the install of the flex line (or before
for that matter).
Just my 2 cents Tom, but I personally am not going to rip mine apart every year
just "because".
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Johnson [mailto:tomjohnson@cox.net]
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 10:00 AM
To: Yak-List@Matronics. Com
Subject: Yak-List: YOU WILL WIND UP WITH A LOOSE POPPET VALVE ONE DAY!
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Tom Johnson" <tomjohnson@cox.net>
This valve at the output of the compressor with the banjo fitting. .
Isn't this removed and cleaned at the annual every year?
Sure cuts down on compressor problems if completed.
TJ
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NE DAY!
RE: Yak-List: NOTE : YOU WILL WIND UP WITH A LOOSE POPPET VALVE ONE DAY!Mark,
Do the Sukhoi's have a flex line all the way from the banjo fitting on the compressor
to the snot bottle or a steel line with the banjo fitting fitted with another
female B nut and a flex hose with a male end going to a B nut that fits
on the snot bottle?
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Bitterlich GS11 Mark G
To: 'yak-list@matronics.com'
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 11:26 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: NOTE : YOU WILL WIND UP WITH A LOOSE POPPET VALVE O NE
DAY!
Sorry to post so much about this, but I have to disagree with what you said Bob.
My opinion is that the coil in that line is not there to dissipate heat,
but to provide a degree of movement between an engine vibrating in it's mount
and a fixed firewall.
Regardless of who is right or wrong about the heat issue ...... the facts are
these:
ALL of the SUKHOI's use a flexible hose.... going all the way from the compressor
to the snot valve. This is done from the factory. The compressor and snot
valves are identical between the YAKS and SUKES.
I have done the same thing with my 50 for years now with no problems what-so-ever,
and I do not run an unloader.
Mark Bitterlich
p.s. How many other 52 owners have a combination line? A steel line with a
coil AND a flex line?
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Fitzpatrick [mailto:rmfitz@direcway.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 10:19 AM
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: NOTE : YOU WILL WIND UP WITH A LOOSE POPPET VALVE
ONE DAY!
--> Yak-List message posted by: Bob Fitzpatrick <rmfitz@direcway.com>
Frank,
Not all 52s are the same. Mine is a 93 model and it has a flex hose
downstream of the metal line. I would assume a parts supplier could
provide this. If you make your own be aware the metal coil is there to
dissipate heat from the compressed air so you don't want the flex going
all the way to the compressor.
bob
52BN
Frank Haertlein wrote:
> CAUTION..........M14P owners and YAK-52 Drivers.............YOU WILL
> WIND UP WITH A LOOSE POPPET VALVE ONE DAY!
>
> My recent air compressor problems were traced to a loose poppet valve
> on the compressor output line. The poppet valve screws into the
> compressor housing/cylinder and the entire poppet valve was loose in
> it's bore. It had been "hogged" out slightly from constant engine
> vibration due to the hard steel line connecting it to the firewall.
> The steel line has a 360 degree bend in it to help reduce stress but
> the line is still so stiff (made of steel) that it won't help matters
> in the long run.
>
> It's my opinion that it could eventually happen to every YAK in the fleet.
>
> Seems to me that a flex line in this area is the way to go to ensure
> longevity of the compressor housing/cylinder and poppet valve assembly.
>
> I'd be willing to bet that other YAKKERS have experienced the same thing.
>
> Does anyone have a flex line they would like to sell that will replace
> the stock steel line?
>
> I think it would go a long way to keep this from happening again.
>
> Frank
> N9110M
> YAK-52
> K32
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Frank
> Haertlein
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 06, 2005 6:53 PM
> *To:* yak-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Yak-List: AIR PUMP BLUES
>
> I need to send out a thank you to list members for their help with
> my 52's compressor problems.
>
> I checked the snot bottle, then the one way valves/filter tree and
> everything looked good.
>
> I was beginning to think compressor failure so I started to remove
> the poppet valve/banjo fitting and noticed it was way loose.
>
> Loose enough to cause it to leak badly.
>
> Tightened everything back up. Tomorrow comes the flight test and
> final check.
>
> Thanks for all the help guys.
>
> Frank
> N9110M
> K32
>
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The People's Republic of Boulder tried this a few years ago. Ticketed,
fined, and incarcerated a local entrepreneur flying banners over Folsom
Field (CU Buffs football stadium). FAA (then...) filed an amicus curii
(sp?)brief with the Boulder Court stating the pilot is operating in
Federal airspace and leave him alone.
That was then...this is now...I guess.
Rick b
>>> catfsh4u@bellsouth.net 11/7/2005 10:41:42 PM >>>
Yeah, it's from the surface to 3,000 feet. So lets see, if our
extremist flies over Disney in a painfully slow 172 and decides to dive
straight down it will take him, what? One to two minutes to hit ground
zero? The rationale for this TFR is a farce. The tragedy is that
Disney, a private corporation, has managed to grab federal airspace for
itself for it's own ends. Near where I live we have a city that passed
an ordinance that requires anyone flying over the city at 3,000 feet or
below to first obtain a city permit. The city's jurisdiction is
preempted by the FAA of course but that didn't stop the City Manager
from passing what is basically an unenforceable ordinance. I've heard
that when the nimbys complain enough, a police officer goes out to the
airport and hands out "warning" tickets to the landing pilots! I
understand there are several city's in Florida that have also passed
similar ordinances. If this DC ADIZ goes through it will set a precedent
and I think a lot of cities will move very quickly to get their own
permanent flight restrictions in place.
Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: Ernest Martinez
Subject: Re: Yak-List: NO-FLY ZONE
There has been a TFR over Disney World Orlando since 9/11
Ernie
On 11/7/05, Frank Haertlein <yak52driver@earthlink.net> wrote: Pappy
You talked about Disney in Florida someday having a no fly zone around
it. Well, just an FYI..........Disney in California has had a TFR around
it since shortly after 911.
So you see, it can and will get worse if we do nothing.
Frank
YAK-52
N9110M
K32
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| Subject: | Re: Val's CJ expeditionVal's CJ expedition |
Doc,
Sorry if I scared you with my zany humor. Not to worry it's just me responding
to Cliff's teasing with mutual well intentioned empty threats.
Believe me when I say that I'm well aware of my limitations and not anxious to
push beyond my envelope right now, nor am I in any hurry.
I've earned the right, over 37 years of flying to relax, take my time, and enjoy
the journey.
It will take me quite awhile to get good enough in acrobatics and formation to
feel like it's a second skin and take a passenger up with me.
I don't need to be another loose piece of anodized steel whipping around like a
frog in a blender with other bits of metal for many years.
You and the RPA are in absolute agreement with me on that, so you can rest easy
and not have to request an emergency descent out of the area when you see my
N- number. (Laugh).
I worry enough for all of us (that was my job and I can't break the habit.)
My hands are full just getting familiar with a whole new flying environment. I
think it's very neat of you guys to be looking out for me though. You always have
my appreciation for doing that. I'm the new kid on the block and need the
guidance of the "been-around-the-blocks". We can be our own worst enemies sometimes,
and let's face it, what we don't know can reach up and bite us.
Take Care Doc, and rest easy, I've got a long and delightful journey ahead of me.
- No Dogfighting, I promise.
- Val
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| Subject: | Re: Val's CJ expeditionVal's CJ expedition |
Val,
No sweat.
Fly safe and remember after awhile to check 6. There are plenty of T-6's, RV's,
and other CJ's (and atleast one 50) out there that wants to jump your 6. Saddle
up for a guns shot that would be (no pune intended). Just give them a wing
rock or an aileron roll to signify your saw them an are not playing, then press
on with what you were doing. One day you will feel comfortable enough with your
stead to want to turn with them. Maybe some of the ol' fart fighter pilots
on the west coast will have taken the time to show you how to maneuver the aircraft
in the ACM arena.
Anyway, fly safe and Check 6, oh and most of all, enjoy that CJ. I like them too....just
not as much as my 52!
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: Valkyre1
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Val's CJ expeditionVal's CJ expedition
Doc,
Sorry if I scared you with my zany humor. Not to worry it's just me responding
to Cliff's teasing with mutual well intentioned empty threats.
Believe me when I say that I'm well aware of my limitations and not anxious to
push beyond my envelope right now, nor am I in any hurry.
I've earned the right, over 37 years of flying to relax, take my time, and enjoy
the journey.
It will take me quite awhile to get good enough in acrobatics and formation to
feel like it's a second skin and take a passenger up with me.
I don't need to be another loose piece of anodized steel whipping around like a
frog in a blender with other bits of metal for many years.
You and the RPA are in absolute agreement with me on that, so you can rest easy
and not have to request an emergency descent out of the area when you see my
N- number. (Laugh).
I worry enough for all of us (that was my job and I can't break the habit.)
My hands are full just getting familiar with a whole new flying environment. I
think it's very neat of you guys to be looking out for me though. You always have
my appreciation for doing that. I'm the new kid on the block and need the
guidance of the "been-around-the-blocks". We can be our own worst enemies sometimes,
and let's face it, what we don't know can reach up and bite us.
Take Care Doc, and rest easy, I've got a long and delightful journey ahead of me.
- No Dogfighting, I promise.
- Val
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hi guys! I'm thinking of putting my 1996 yak-52 in an LLC I've formed. How to do
it and pros & cons from those who know about this is appreciated
Wheels DBA Wheels UP
N42SW
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Hello:
I spoke with a few of you off line about several issues re: my 1986 Yak 52.
Where is the best place to have the attitude indicator rebuilt, or to purchase
an original model? Price and quality wise.
Where can I have the air bottles hydro checked. Has anyone ever found a problem
with these.
And, best source for new carb, or rebuild kit.
Thanks
Robert E. Schwartz
Email: schwartzcompany@worldnet.att.net
This information is intended for the use of individual named above. If you are
not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying,
distribution, or the taking of any action in reliance on the content of this
information is strictly prohibited.
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Wieland
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 2:54 PM
Subject: Yak-List: LLC
hi guys! I'm thinking of putting my 1996 yak-52 in an LLC I've formed. How to
do it and pros & cons from those who know about this is appreciated
Wheels DBA Wheels UP
N42SW
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VALVE ONE DAY!
| Subject: | Re: NOTE : YOU WILL WIND UP WITH A LOOSE POPPET |
VALVE ONE DAY!
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jim Bernier" <JBernier@dart.org>
I saw that problem. So I took both ends to my local hydraulic hose place and they
made the fittings that work just fine. Picked it up the next day. Nice color
blue.
Jim B
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Not sure if you all of seen this site but...
http://www.100ll.com/
Also, Anywhere Map is having a sale on their mapping software. It is
normally almost $300.00 and is on sale for $95.00.
http://www.anywheremap.com/pages/vday.aspx
It is a veterans day sale. While we are on the subject and I know I am a few
days early but..
To all of our vets, thank you for your service!
Regards,
Tim Gagnon, MSgt.
Still proudly serving!!
USAF
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| Subject: | YOU WILL WIND UP WITH A LOOSE POPPET VALVE ONE DAY! |
I think we might be talking about two different valves here Dennis. One
POPPET type valve is located inside of the BANJO assembly found directly
screwed to the compressor itself. This has been the valve under discussion.
Personally, I believe this is more of a one way check valve than a poppet
valve. I called it that because everyone else was too, but in retrospect it
should more accurately be called a one way check valve. My belief anyway.
The POP-OFF valve (that I believe you are talking about) is located after
the snot-valve and of course is set to maintain the maximum allowable
pressure.
If you open the Snot Valve after allowing all tanks to fill, a small
in-line check valve will prevent aircraft system pressure from being
relieved through the snot valve, however the compressor will now vent
directly to the outside through the opened snot valve and will not be
working against any head pressure. The idea here is that the compressor
will now be basically "free wheeling" and will last longer because "it is
not working as hard". I am not really sure you gain anything by free
wheeling a mechanical compressor or not. I do not have a degree in
mechanical engineering and the stresses involved are over my head to
mathematically theorize. It does seem to make sense that the compressor
piston rings would not have as much wear when working against zero back
pressure... but then again...... ???? You tell me.
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: A. Dennis Savarese [mailto:dsavarese@elmore.rr.com]
Subject: Re: Yak-List: YOU WILL WIND UP WITH A LOOSE POPPET VALVE ONE DAY!
Just my 2 cents - once the pressure has built up to the preset pressure of
the "pop-off valve" or pressure relief valve, all excess pressure is being
dumped overboard through the pop off valve. So why do you need to open the
snot valve?
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Bitterlich GS11 Mark G <mailto:BitterlichMG@cherrypoint.usmc.mil>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: YOU WILL WIND UP WITH A LOOSE POPPET VALVE ONE DAY!
Tom,
I have been running my YAK-50 for close to 6 years now and I HAD to KEEP
messing with that Banjo all the time... when I finally got it to where it
would not come loose... POOF... the steel line broke. I believe I managed to
move the weakest point to the line instead of the Banjo! This EXACT same
thing happened to Hubie Tolson with his original 52, and now AGAIN with the
52 he just bought from Vladimir.
ALL of the Sukhoi's use a Flex Hose instead of rigid. ALL OF THEM... 26's,
29,'s, 30 series, etc.
I put on a flex hose 3 years ago and have not had a problem since. I used
the Flex hose off a Sukhoi 26 smoke system, and posted a message about it
here. I also do NOT take the banjo fitting off and clean it every year.
When I had the problem with the banjo fitting, I only cleaned the poppet
valve itself once. So, I have cleaned the poppet valve once, and have put a
flex hose on it 3 years ago. The aircraft now has a total of over 600 hours
on it, with the same original compressor. It still works perfectly.
On the other hand.... the 52 that has the rigid line on it has come loose so
many time, the threads in the compressor base where the banjo screws in are
WORN OUT.... even though the compressor is still good, it now needs
replacement.
I really do not think it is a wise idea to remove the whole banjo to clean
that poppet once a year. I put it in with a lifetime thread locker compound
and with the flex line, have not messed with it since.
An interesting question would be this: Many people have rigged up an
unloader for the compressor at the snot valve, so that after they reach full
pressure in the bottle(s), (bottles in a 50, bottle on a 52) they can open
this up and allow the compressor to work against no head pressure. The idea
is to extend the life of the compressor. On the flip side of that coin is
that now, with the compressor working against no head pressure, the
operating conditions of that poppet valve have been changed. Changed to
WHAT, I am not exactly sure, but there is definitely going to be a
temperature differential greater with no head pressure than there would have
been with the head pressure, plus other factors.
I do not have an unloader. I also have a flex hose. I have had NO
compressor or poppet valve problems at all since the install of the flex
line (or before for that matter).
Just my 2 cents Tom, but I personally am not going to rip mine apart every
year just "because".
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Johnson [ mailto:tomjohnson@cox.net <mailto:tomjohnson@cox.net> ]
Subject: Yak-List: YOU WILL WIND UP WITH A LOOSE POPPET VALVE ONE DAY!
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Tom Johnson" <tomjohnson@cox.net>
This valve at the output of the compressor with the banjo fitting. .
Isn't this removed and cleaned at the annual every year?
Sure cuts down on compressor problems if completed.
TJ
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NE DAY!
| Subject: | NOTE : YOU WILL WIND UP WITH A LOOSE POPPET VALVE O |
NE DAY!
Every one I have seen (including one of the very last ones made) are flex
line end to end. I.E. Banjo to snot... inclusive.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: A. Dennis Savarese [mailto:dsavarese@elmore.rr.com]
Subject: Re: Yak-List: NOTE : YOU WILL WIND UP WITH A LOOSE POPPET VALVE O
NE DAY!
Mark,
Do the Sukhoi's have a flex line all the way from the banjo fitting on the
compressor to the snot bottle or a steel line with the banjo fitting fitted
with another female B nut and a flex hose with a male end going to a B nut
that fits on the snot bottle?
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Bitterlich GS11 Mark G <mailto:BitterlichMG@cherrypoint.usmc.mil>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: NOTE : YOU WILL WIND UP WITH A LOOSE POPPET VALVE O
NE DAY!
Sorry to post so much about this, but I have to disagree with what you said
Bob. My opinion is that the coil in that line is not there to dissipate
heat, but to provide a degree of movement between an engine vibrating in
it's mount and a fixed firewall.
Regardless of who is right or wrong about the heat issue ...... the facts
are these:
ALL of the SUKHOI's use a flexible hose.... going all the way from the
compressor to the snot valve. This is done from the factory. The compressor
and snot valves are identical between the YAKS and SUKES.
I have done the same thing with my 50 for years now with no problems
what-so-ever, and I do not run an unloader.
Mark Bitterlich
p.s. How many other 52 owners have a combination line? A steel line with a
coil AND a flex line?
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Fitzpatrick [ mailto:rmfitz@direcway.com
<mailto:rmfitz@direcway.com> ]
Subject: Re: Yak-List: NOTE : YOU WILL WIND UP WITH A LOOSE POPPET VALVE
ONE DAY!
--> Yak-List message posted by: Bob Fitzpatrick <rmfitz@direcway.com>
Frank,
Not all 52s are the same. Mine is a 93 model and it has a flex hose
downstream of the metal line. I would assume a parts supplier could
provide this. If you make your own be aware the metal coil is there to
dissipate heat from the compressed air so you don't want the flex going
all the way to the compressor.
bob
52BN
Frank Haertlein wrote:
> CAUTION..........M14P owners and YAK-52 Drivers.............YOU WILL
> WIND UP WITH A LOOSE POPPET VALVE ONE DAY!
>
> My recent air compressor problems were traced to a loose poppet valve
> on the compressor output line. The poppet valve screws into the
> compressor housing/cylinder and the entire poppet valve was loose in
> it's bore. It had been "hogged" out slightly from constant engine
> vibration due to the hard steel line connecting it to the firewall.
> The steel line has a 360 degree bend in it to help reduce stress but
> the line is still so stiff (made of steel) that it won't help matters
> in the long run.
>
> It's my opinion that it could eventually happen to every YAK in the fleet.
>
> Seems to me that a flex line in this area is the way to go to ensure
> longevity of the compressor housing/cylinder and poppet valve assembly.
>
> I'd be willing to bet that other YAKKERS have experienced the same thing.
>
> Does anyone have a flex line they would like to sell that will replace
> the stock steel line?
>
> I think it would go a long way to keep this from happening again.
>
> Frank
> N9110M
> YAK-52
> K32
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [ mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
<mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com> ] *On Behalf Of *Frank
> Haertlein
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 06, 2005 6:53 PM
> *To:* yak-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Yak-List: AIR PUMP BLUES
>
> I need to send out a thank you to list members for their help with
> my 52's compressor problems.
>
> I checked the snot bottle, then the one way valves/filter tree and
> everything looked good.
>
> I was beginning to think compressor failure so I started to remove
> the poppet valve/banjo fitting and noticed it was way loose.
>
> Loose enough to cause it to leak badly.
>
> Tightened everything back up. Tomorrow comes the flight test and
> final check.
>
> Thanks for all the help guys.
>
> Frank
> N9110M
> K32
>
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NE DAY!
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NE DAY!
Makes sense to me.
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Pilling [mailto:pilling.k@btconnect.com]
Subject: Re: Yak-List: NOTE : YOU WILL WIND UP WITH A LOOSE POPPET VALVE ONE
DAY!
The steel pipe is there because its cheaper to manufacture and
a flexible is time life'd.......when there is no obvious reason its
invariably cost.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bitterlich GS11 Mark G <mailto:BitterlichMG@cherrypoint.usmc.mil>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: NOTE : YOU WILL WIND UP WITH A LOOSE POPPET VALVE ONE
DAY!
Sorry to post so much about this, but I have to disagree with what you said
Bob. My opinion is that the coil in that line is not there to dissipate
heat, but to provide a degree of movement between an engine vibrating in
it's mount and a fixed firewall.
Regardless of who is right or wrong about the heat issue ...... the facts
are these:
ALL of the SUKHOI's use a flexible hose.... going all the way from the
compressor to the snot valve. This is done from the factory. The compressor
and snot valves are identical between the YAKS and SUKES.
I have done the same thing with my 50 for years now with no problems
what-so-ever, and I do not run an unloader.
Mark Bitterlich
p.s. How many other 52 owners have a combination line? A steel line with a
coil AND a flex line?
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Fitzpatrick [ mailto:rmfitz@direcway.com
<mailto:rmfitz@direcway.com> ]
Subject: Re: Yak-List: NOTE : YOU WILL WIND UP WITH A LOOSE POPPET VALVE
ONE DAY!
--> Yak-List message posted by: Bob Fitzpatrick <rmfitz@direcway.com>
Frank,
Not all 52s are the same. Mine is a 93 model and it has a flex hose
downstream of the metal line. I would assume a parts supplier could
provide this. If you make your own be aware the metal coil is there to
dissipate heat from the compressed air so you don't want the flex going
all the way to the compressor.
bob
52BN
Frank Haertlein wrote:
> CAUTION..........M14P owners and YAK-52 Drivers.............YOU WILL
> WIND UP WITH A LOOSE POPPET VALVE ONE DAY!
>
> My recent air compressor problems were traced to a loose poppet valve
> on the compressor output line. The poppet valve screws into the
> compressor housing/cylinder and the entire poppet valve was loose in
> it's bore. It had been "hogged" out slightly from constant engine
> vibration due to the hard steel line connecting it to the firewall.
> The steel line has a 360 degree bend in it to help reduce stress but
> the line is still so stiff (made of steel) that it won't help matters
> in the long run.
>
> It's my opinion that it could eventually happen to every YAK in the fleet.
>
> Seems to me that a flex line in this area is the way to go to ensure
> longevity of the compressor housing/cylinder and poppet valve assembly.
>
> I'd be willing to bet that other YAKKERS have experienced the same thing.
>
> Does anyone have a flex line they would like to sell that will replace
> the stock steel line?
>
> I think it would go a long way to keep this from happening again.
>
> Frank
> N9110M
> YAK-52
> K32
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [ mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
<mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com> ] *On Behalf Of *Frank
> Haertlein
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 06, 2005 6:53 PM
> *To:* yak-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Yak-List: AIR PUMP BLUES
>
> I need to send out a thank you to list members for their help with
> my 52's compressor problems.
>
> I checked the snot bottle, then the one way valves/filter tree and
> everything looked good.
>
> I was beginning to think compressor failure so I started to remove
> the poppet valve/banjo fitting and noticed it was way loose.
>
> Loose enough to cause it to leak badly.
>
> Tightened everything back up. Tomorrow comes the flight test and
> final check.
>
> Thanks for all the help guys.
>
> Frank
> N9110M
> K32
>
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| Subject: | Re: YOU WILL WIND UP WITH A LOOSE POPPET VALVE ONE DAY! |
RE: Yak-List: YOU WILL WIND UP WITH A LOOSE POPPET VALVE ONE DAY!Mark,
My comments about the pop off valve (not the poppet valve which I also call an
output check valve) were related to your statement, "Many people have rigged
up an unloader for the compressor at the snot valve, so that after they reach
full pressure in the bottle(s), (bottles in a 50, bottle on a 52) they can open
this up and allow the compressor to work against no head pressure."
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Bitterlich GS11 Mark G
To: 'yak-list@matronics.com'
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 5:42 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: YOU WILL WIND UP WITH A LOOSE POPPET VALVE ONE DAY!
I think we might be talking about two different valves here Dennis. One POPPET
type valve is located inside of the BANJO assembly found directly screwed to
the compressor itself. This has been the valve under discussion. Personally,
I believe this is more of a one way check valve than a poppet valve. I called
it that because everyone else was too, but in retrospect it should more accurately
be called a one way check valve. My belief anyway.
The POP-OFF valve (that I believe you are talking about) is located after the
snot-valve and of course is set to maintain the maximum allowable pressure.
If you open the Snot Valve after allowing all tanks to fill, a small in-line
check valve will prevent aircraft system pressure from being relieved through
the snot valve, however the compressor will now vent directly to the outside
through the opened snot valve and will not be working against any head pressure.
The idea here is that the compressor will now be basically "free wheeling"
and will last longer because "it is not working as hard". I am not really sure
you gain anything by free wheeling a mechanical compressor or not. I do not
have a degree in mechanical engineering and the stresses involved are over
my head to mathematically theorize. It does seem to make sense that the compressor
piston rings would not have as much wear when working against zero back
pressure... but then again...... ???? You tell me.
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: A. Dennis Savarese [mailto:dsavarese@elmore.rr.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 1:53 PM
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: YOU WILL WIND UP WITH A LOOSE POPPET VALVE ONE DAY!
Just my 2 cents - once the pressure has built up to the preset pressure of
the "pop-off valve" or pressure relief valve, all excess pressure is being dumped
overboard through the pop off valve. So why do you need to open the snot
valve?
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Bitterlich GS11 Mark G
To: 'yak-list@matronics.com'
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 11:19 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: YOU WILL WIND UP WITH A LOOSE POPPET VALVE ONE DAY!
Tom,
I have been running my YAK-50 for close to 6 years now and I HAD to KEEP
messing with that Banjo all the time... when I finally got it to where it would
not come loose... POOF... the steel line broke. I believe I managed to move
the weakest point to the line instead of the Banjo! This EXACT same thing happened
to Hubie Tolson with his original 52, and now AGAIN with the 52 he just
bought from Vladimir.
ALL of the Sukhoi's use a Flex Hose instead of rigid. ALL OF THEM... 26's,
29,'s, 30 series, etc.
I put on a flex hose 3 years ago and have not had a problem since. I used
the Flex hose off a Sukhoi 26 smoke system, and posted a message about it here.
I also do NOT take the banjo fitting off and clean it every year. When I
had the problem with the banjo fitting, I only cleaned the poppet valve itself
once. So, I have cleaned the poppet valve once, and have put a flex hose on
it 3 years ago. The aircraft now has a total of over 600 hours on it, with the
same original compressor. It still works perfectly.
On the other hand.... the 52 that has the rigid line on it has come loose
so many time, the threads in the compressor base where the banjo screws in are
WORN OUT.... even though the compressor is still good, it now needs replacement.
I really do not think it is a wise idea to remove the whole banjo to clean
that poppet once a year. I put it in with a lifetime thread locker compound
and with the flex line, have not messed with it since.
An interesting question would be this: Many people have rigged up an unloader
for the compressor at the snot valve, so that after they reach full pressure
in the bottle(s), (bottles in a 50, bottle on a 52) they can open this up
and allow the compressor to work against no head pressure. The idea is to extend
the life of the compressor. On the flip side of that coin is that now, with
the compressor working against no head pressure, the operating conditions
of that poppet valve have been changed. Changed to WHAT, I am not exactly sure,
but there is definitely going to be a temperature differential greater with
no head pressure than there would have been with the head pressure, plus other
factors.
I do not have an unloader. I also have a flex hose. I have had NO compressor
or poppet valve problems at all since the install of the flex line (or before
for that matter).
Just my 2 cents Tom, but I personally am not going to rip mine apart every
year just "because".
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Johnson [mailto:tomjohnson@cox.net]
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 10:00 AM
To: Yak-List@Matronics. Com
Subject: Yak-List: YOU WILL WIND UP WITH A LOOSE POPPET VALVE ONE DAY!
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Tom Johnson" <tomjohnson@cox.net>
This valve at the output of the compressor with the banjo fitting. .
Isn't this removed and cleaned at the annual every year?
Sure cuts down on compressor problems if completed.
TJ
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DAY!
| Subject: | YOU WILL WIND UP WITH A LOOSE POPPET VALVE ONE |
DAY!
Hey, us Sukhoi boys bypass the snot valve either electronically (mine)
or a mechanical wire run to the front. WE BELIEVE...
Seriously though I got 800 hours plus out of my original pump - is that
any record???
Respectfully, Ricky b
>>> BitterlichMG@cherrypoint.usmc.mil 11/8/2005 4:42:14 PM >>>
I think we might be talking about two different valves here Dennis.
One POPPET type valve is located inside of the BANJO assembly found
directly screwed to the compressor itself. This has been the valve
under discussion. Personally, I believe this is more of a one way check
valve than a poppet valve. I called it that because everyone else was
too, but in retrospect it should more accurately be called a one way
check valve. My belief anyway.
The POP-OFF valve (that I believe you are talking about) is located
after the snot-valve and of course is set to maintain the maximum
allowable pressure.
If you open the Snot Valve after allowing all tanks to fill, a small
in-line check valve will prevent aircraft system pressure from being
relieved through the snot valve, however the compressor will now vent
directly to the outside through the opened snot valve and will not be
working against any head pressure. The idea here is that the compressor
will now be basically "free wheeling" and will last longer because "it
is not working as hard". I am not really sure you gain anything by
free wheeling a mechanical compressor or not. I do not have a degree in
mechanical engineering and the stresses involved are over my head to
mathematically theorize. It does seem to make sense that the compressor
piston rings would not have as much wear when working against zero back
pressure... but then again...... ???? You tell me.
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: A. Dennis Savarese [mailto:dsavarese@elmore.rr.com]
Subject: Re: Yak-List: YOU WILL WIND UP WITH A LOOSE POPPET VALVE ONE
DAY!
Just my 2 cents - once the pressure has built up to the preset pressure
of the "pop-off valve" or pressure relief valve, all excess pressure is
being dumped overboard through the pop off valve. So why do you need to
open the snot valve?
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: Bitterlich GS11 Mark G
Subject: RE: Yak-List: YOU WILL WIND UP WITH A LOOSE POPPET VALVE ONE
DAY!
Tom,
I have been running my YAK-50 for close to 6 years now and I HAD to
KEEP messing with that Banjo all the time... when I finally got it to
where it would not come loose... POOF... the steel line broke. I believe
I managed to move the weakest point to the line instead of the Banjo!
This EXACT same thing happened to Hubie Tolson with his original 52, and
now AGAIN with the 52 he just bought from Vladimir.
ALL of the Sukhoi's use a Flex Hose instead of rigid. ALL OF THEM...
26's, 29,'s, 30 series, etc.
I put on a flex hose 3 years ago and have not had a problem since. I
used the Flex hose off a Sukhoi 26 smoke system, and posted a message
about it here. I also do NOT take the banjo fitting off and clean it
every year. When I had the problem with the banjo fitting, I only
cleaned the poppet valve itself once. So, I have cleaned the poppet
valve once, and have put a flex hose on it 3 years ago. The aircraft
now has a total of over 600 hours on it, with the same original
compressor. It still works perfectly.
On the other hand.... the 52 that has the rigid line on it has come
loose so many time, the threads in the compressor base where the banjo
screws in are WORN OUT.... even though the compressor is still good, it
now needs replacement.
I really do not think it is a wise idea to remove the whole banjo to
clean that poppet once a year. I put it in with a lifetime thread
locker compound and with the flex line, have not messed with it since.
An interesting question would be this: Many people have rigged up an
unloader for the compressor at the snot valve, so that after they reach
full pressure in the bottle(s), (bottles in a 50, bottle on a 52) they
can open this up and allow the compressor to work against no head
pressure. The idea is to extend the life of the compressor. On the
flip side of that coin is that now, with the compressor working against
no head pressure, the operating conditions of that poppet valve have
been changed. Changed to WHAT, I am not exactly sure, but there is
definitely going to be a temperature differential greater with no head
pressure than there would have been with the head pressure, plus other
factors.
I do not have an unloader. I also have a flex hose. I have had NO
compressor or poppet valve problems at all since the install of the flex
line (or before for that matter).
Just my 2 cents Tom, but I personally am not going to rip mine apart
every year just "because".
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Johnson [mailto:tomjohnson@cox.net]
Subject: Yak-List: YOU WILL WIND UP WITH A LOOSE POPPET VALVE ONE DAY!
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Tom Johnson" <tomjohnson@cox.net>
This valve at the output of the compressor with the banjo fitting. .
Isn't this removed and cleaned at the annual every year?
Sure cuts down on compressor problems if completed.
TJ
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| Subject: | Re: YOU WILL WIND UP WITH A LOOSE POPPET VALVE ONE DAY! |
In a message dated 11/8/2005 7:33:35 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
BasiliereR@ci.boulder.co.us writes:
I am coming up on 1200 hours on mine. I've only sheared the pins on it once
( around 450 hours). No problems since then.
Pappy
Hey, us Sukhoi boys bypass the snot valve either electronically (mine) or a
mechanical wire run to the front. WE BELIEVE...
Seriously though I got 800 hours plus out of my original pump - is that any
record???
Respectfully, Ricky b
>>> BitterlichMG@cherrypoint.usmc.mil 11/8/2005 4:42:14 PM >>>
I think we might be talking about two different valves here Dennis. One
POPPET type valve is located inside of the BANJO assembly found directly screwed
to the compressor itself. This has been the valve under discussion.
Personally, I believe this is more of a one way check valve than a poppet valve.
I
called it that because everyone else was too, but in retrospect it should
more accurately be called a one way check valve. My belief anyway.
The POP-OFF valve (that I believe you are talking about) is located after
the snot-valve and of course is set to maintain the maximum allowable
pressure.
If you open the Snot Valve after allowing all tanks to fill, a small
in-line check valve will prevent aircraft system pressure from being relieved
through the snot valve, however the compressor will now vent directly to the
outside through the opened snot valve and will not be working against any head
pressure. The idea here is that the compressor will now be basically "free
wheeling" and will last longer because "it is not working as hard". I am not
really sure you gain anything by free wheeling a mechanical compressor or not.
I do not have a degree in mechanical engineering and the stresses involved
are over my head to mathematically theorize. It does seem to make sense that
the compressor piston rings would not have as much wear when working against
zero back pressure... but then again...... ???? You tell me.
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: A. Dennis Savarese [mailto:dsavarese@elmore.rr.com]
Subject: Re: Yak-List: YOU WILL WIND UP WITH A LOOSE POPPET VALVE ONE DAY!
Just my 2 cents - once the pressure has built up to the preset pressure of
the "pop-off valve" or pressure relief valve, all excess pressure is being
dumped overboard through the pop off valve. So why do you need to open the snot
valve?
Dennis
----- Original Message -----
From: _Bitterlich GS11 Mark G_ (mailto:BitterlichMG@cherrypoint.usmc.mil)
Subject: RE: Yak-List: YOU WILL WIND UP WITH A LOOSE POPPET VALVE ONE DAY!
Tom,
I have been running my YAK-50 for close to 6 years now and I HAD to KEEP
messing with that Banjo all the time... when I finally got it to where it would
not come loose... POOF... the steel line broke. I believe I managed to move
the weakest point to the line instead of the Banjo! This EXACT same thing
happened to Hubie Tolson with his original 52, and now AGAIN with the 52 he just
bought from Vladimir.
ALL of the Sukhoi's use a Flex Hose instead of rigid. ALL OF THEM... 26's,
29,'s, 30 series, etc.
I put on a flex hose 3 years ago and have not had a problem since. I used
the Flex hose off a Sukhoi 26 smoke system, and posted a message about it here.
I also do NOT take the banjo fitting off and clean it every year. When I
had the problem with the banjo fitting, I only cleaned the poppet valve itself
once. So, I have cleaned the poppet valve once, and have put a flex hose on
it 3 years ago. The aircraft now has a total of over 600 hours on it, with
the same original compressor. It still works perfectly.
On the other hand.... the 52 that has the rigid line on it has come loose so
many time, the threads in the compressor base where the banjo screws in are
WORN OUT.... even though the compressor is still good, it now needs
replacement.
I really do not think it is a wise idea to remove the whole banjo to clean
that poppet once a year. I put it in with a lifetime thread locker compound
and with the flex line, have not messed with it since.
An interesting question would be this: Many people have rigged up an
unloader for the compressor at the snot valve, so that after they reach full
pressure in the bottle(s), (bottles in a 50, bottle on a 52) they can open this
up
and allow the compressor to work against no head pressure. The idea is to
extend the life of the compressor. On the flip side of that coin is that now,
with the compressor working against no head pressure, the operating
conditions of that poppet valve have been changed. Changed to WHAT, I am not
exactly
sure, but there is definitely going to be a temperature differential greater
with no head pressure than there would have been with the head pressure,
plus other factors.
I do not have an unloader. I also have a flex hose. I have had NO
compressor or poppet valve problems at all since the install of the flex line
(or
before for that matter).
Just my 2 cents Tom, but I personally am not going to rip mine apart every
year just "because".
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Johnson [_mailto:tomjohnson@cox.net_ (mailto:tomjohnson@cox.net) ]
Subject: Yak-List: YOU WILL WIND UP WITH A LOOSE POPPET VALVE ONE DAY!
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Tom Johnson" <tomjohnson@cox.net>
This valve at the output of the compressor with the banjo fitting. .
Isn't this removed and cleaned at the annual every year?
Sure cuts down on compressor problems if completed.
TJ
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<022801c5e4a8$7f5b3690$80104a0c@D4YC4461>
Robert
I have the airbottles checked by a local fire extinguisher company.
Joe Howse
----- Original Message -----
From: ROBERT SCHWARTZ
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 1:07 PM
Subject: Yak-List:
Hello:
I spoke with a few of you off line about several issues re: my 1986 Yak 52.
Where is the best place to have the attitude indicator rebuilt, or to purchase
an original model? Price and quality wise.
Where can I have the air bottles hydro checked. Has anyone ever found a problem
with these.
And, best source for new carb, or rebuild kit.
Thanks
Robert E. Schwartz
Email: schwartzcompany@worldnet.att.net
This information is intended for the use of individual named above. If you are
not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying,
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this information is strictly prohibited.
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Wieland
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 2:54 PM
Subject: Yak-List: LLC
hi guys! I'm thinking of putting my 1996 yak-52 in an LLC I've formed. How
to do it and pros & cons from those who know about this is appreciated
Wheels DBA Wheels UP
N42SW
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| Subject: | STATIC CHECK OF AIR BOTTLES |
Robert Schwartz
Visit http://home.earthlink.net/~yak52driver
There's a bunch of links there that will go a long way in educating you
about YAKS. Look for the link to Dennis Savares' site. He has instructions,
addresses and phone numbers to those who will static check your bottles.
There's also other useful info on his site that will help you.
Best Regards
Frank
N9110M
YAK-52
K32
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Barry Hancock <barry@flyredstar.org>
> But remember, you'll need to have cable TV in order to view the event
> from
> home, since no spectators will actually be allowed on the premises,
Do you know that since the FAA began regulating air shows about 40
years ago there has not been one spectator fatality at air shows? This
is quite a remarkable feat...and a testament to at least one well
thought out set of regulations....well, for the most part.... ;)
Barry
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| Subject: | REDSTARS WEBSITE |
Robert Schwartz
For some reason my website isn't working right now so try the two following
links.
Frank
<http://www.yak-52.com/> http://www.yak-52.com/
http://staff.jccc.net/droberts/yak52/
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Steve,
If that's the way you want to go, then here's the route; you can do it
with a corporation or an LLC.
1) Form a corporation--check the library if you are ubfamiliar with the
process.
I suggest you domicile it in Nevada, if that is NOT your home state
you will need a resident agent. If you don't want to pay
him an annual fee, then form the corp. in your home state and YOU
can be your own resident agent.
2) Place the aircraft title in the name of the Corp. or the LLC, ie,
register the aircraft in the name of the corp. etc
3) Have the corp pay you X number of shares for the aircraft.
Now, instead of YOU owning the aircraft the Corp. owns it and YOU own
some shares in the Corp.
When the aircraft is to be sold, the Corp. sells it (not you) and the
Corp. receives the money from the purchaser.
4)Don't forget to have the Corp. file a tax return each year , one for
the Feds and one for the State.
5) Don't forget to hold an annual meeting for the shareholders.
6) Don't forget to hold an annual meeting for the Board of Directors.
7) Don't forget- YOU don't own that airplane any more, the Corp. Owns it
and the Corp. has to give you permission to fly it .
If you start treating it as your own private toy you set the stage
for some all powerful Circuit Judge to "Pierce the corporate
Veil" and then you have lost all your carefully crafted legal
immunity.
Good Luck
Cliff Umscheid
n Tue, 8 Nov 2005 15:54:05 -0500 "Steve Wieland" <wheelstoo@msn.com>
writes:
hi guys! I'm thinking of putting my 1996 yak-52 in an LLC I've formed.
How to do it and pros & cons from those who know about this is
appreciated
Wheels DBA Wheels UP
N42SW
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--> Yak-List message posted by: Walt Murphy <waltmurphy@charter.net>
Has anyone come up with a decent way to lock the canopies on a CJ ?
thanks,
Walt
N68WH Reno,NV
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Folks,
Ocassionally in the past I get email from members on the E-Coms that they can't
see the written content, or that they can't see the pictures or header art imbedded
in these products.
Let me try to help,
Our E-coms are "HTML" based, the same code used in any typical web page (forget
ASP and other code types in this discussion), but in this case these 'web pages'
are sent directly to your email inbox instead of you having to open a browser
manually and going to the www to view...very convenient...
However, your email software, especially modern versions, have many user-defined
options under "preferences" designed to protect you from spam and "snooper"
software. Several of these options if selected effect your ability to view HTML
based email!
Thus it may affect your viewing of RPA e-coms, such as:
- It will not allow you to recieve HTML based email (we have resolved this just
recently by sending a text only version automatically with the HTML version,
in this case you would see only words, no images, header art, custom fonts, etc.,
but the words are there to be read)
- If it does allow HTML email to be viewed, it may not allow the images to be downloaded
for viewing in the messages. You will see typically a red X where an
image should be.
As an example, Yahoo email user-defined security preferences can cause either or
both of these issues. But again, in most cases with fairly modern email software
programs, you can modify these preferences to resolve these display issues.
Please email me off list on this if need be,
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