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1. 04:12 AM - Re: Disney TFR (Craig Payne)
2. 05:56 AM - Re: RPA members - HTML Email problems (Brian Lloyd)
3. 06:38 AM - Re: Re: Disney TFR (Roger Kemp)
4. 06:44 AM - Re: RPA members - HTML Email problems (Yak52)
5. 06:53 AM - Re: RPA members - HTML Email problems (Stephen Fox)
6. 07:09 AM - Re: RPA members - HTML Email problems (Roger Kemp)
7. 07:35 AM - Re: Fuel Price Checker (Jon Boede)
8. 07:40 AM - Re: RPA members - HTML Email problems (Roger Kemp)
9. 09:30 AM - compressor shut off valve (Dr Andre Katz)
10. 09:34 AM - Will work for flight(s) (Shasta)
11. 10:18 AM - Re: YOU WILL WIND UP WITH A LOOSE POPPET VALVE ONE DAY! (Ernest Martinez)
12. 10:21 AM - Re: [ Craig Payne ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Ernest Martinez)
13. 04:40 PM - HELL, JUST GIVE UP YOUR FLYING ! (Frank Haertlein)
14. 04:49 PM - DREW, Redstars editor......... (Frank Haertlein)
15. 05:26 PM - Re: HELL, JUST GIVE UP YOUR FLYING ! (Roger Kemp)
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>>So lets see, if our extremist flies over Disney in a painfully slow 172
>>and decides to dive straight down it will take him, what? One to
>>two minutes to hit ground zero? The rationale for this TFR is a
>>farce.The tragedy is that Disney, a private corporation, has
>>managed to grab federal airspace for itself for it's own ends.
>>
>>
Disney has a lot of clout down here, especially with the Bush Boyz. The "locals"
say that the real reason for the TFR is to keep our banner airplanes from the
competition. Before the TFR, Universal studios and everyone else with something
to sell flooded the sky with banner tows. Bad for Disney Business.
Craig Payne
cpayne@joimail.com
.
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| Subject: | Re: RPA members - HTML Email problems |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Drew Blahnick wrote:
> Our E-coms are "HTML" based, the same code used in any typical web page
> (forget ASP and other code types in this discussion), but in this case
> these 'web pages' are sent directly to your email inbox instead of you
> having to open a browser manually and going to the www to view...very
> convenient...
It is both bad form and a security risk to the recipient's computer system to
allow receiving HTML in an email. Yes, I know that this is a fairly common
practice but that doesn't make it good practice.
The reason that this is not safe practice is that spammers use the technique
of embedding object links in SPAM email in order to get a response from your
computer to identify active an active email account. Hackers use this
technique to get your computer to download their virus or worm "payload"
automatically in the offhand case that your computer is not safely configured.
If the recipient's mail program is properly and SAFELY configured then links
to content, usually pictures and other objects, will not display. If you tell
people to automatically enable the display of HTML then you are telling them
to reduce the security level of their computer systems.
Sure, a virus program will catch the virus or worm but they will still leave
themselves open to receive more SPAM if they follow your advice.
If you wish to be a good network citizen, you will refrain from sending HTML
in your email messages and ONLY send plain text. Plain text has several
advantages too:
1. it is smallest and downloads the most quickly;
2. it cannot carry a hidden payload;
3. it is compatible with *all* computer and mail systems.
--
Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
brian-yak@lloyd.com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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Well since you brought up banner towing, a friend was put out of business because
of the TFR's over SEC and NASCAR events in the name of national security. The
"Blimp" can fly over them but not a pilot who has undergone a background check
for a secret security clearance flying a Piper Cub towing a banner! Image
you know. Just another case of large coorperations grabbing federal airspace tor
their private use. Now city and state governments can seize your prize piece
of real estate for a large company to develope in the name of economic improvement
for the community! The concept of private freedoms whether flying or ownership
of private property is eroding away. Between judges making law and two
extremes of legislators, all with a personal aggenda (none of which are in your
personal interest), we are becoming a socialist state!
As we have to fight for our freedom abroad, we have to fight for that same freedom
at home! If we do not take a stand on the ADIZ's and the unnecessary TFR's
in the name of national security, we are going to loose more and more freedom!
Not one single person sitting in an outdoor arena has in the history of arial
advertising ever been injured by an aircraft flying overhead or anything falling
off of that aircraft. It is just large coorperations with the money to bribe
the legislators and judges in the name of "Lobbying".All "Lobbying" is, is
legalized bribery!
Does that mean we as members of RPA have form a PAC to take "donations" so we
can give money to the state and federal representatives to champion our interest!
Yes, it probably does! That is what we are up against!
AOPA has a PAC, Medical speciality societies have a PAC, the American Bar Association
has one of the richest PACs in the US, and I can keep listing PACs until
the cows come home. Bottomline is, one voice screaming the forest goes unheard!
Think about it, it is our freedom to fly where we want or when we need to that
is at stake here! But when we do not police our own and a drunk psycho in a C-152
tries to fly thru the White House only to make a dent in the wall of the West
Wing, you can't expect the presidential security to not want to force change!
As we all know with the jealousy in Washington, if the president gets that
kind of special treatment, then all the congressmen, senators, and the judges
certainly deserve it, because they are just as special too! In their own minds
that is!
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: Craig Payne
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Disney TFR
>>So lets see, if our extremist flies over Disney in a painfully slow 172
>>and decides to dive straight down it will take him, what? One to
>>two minutes to hit ground zero? The rationale for this TFR is a
>>farce.The tragedy is that Disney, a private corporation, has
>>managed to grab federal airspace for itself for it's own ends.
>>
>>
Disney has a lot of clout down here, especially with the Bush Boyz. The "locals"
say that the real reason for the TFR is to keep our banner airplanes from the
competition. Before the TFR, Universal studios and everyone else with something
to sell flooded the sky with banner tows. Bad for Disney Business.
Craig Payne
cpayne@joimail.com
.
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| Subject: | RPA members - HTML Email problems |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Yak52" <yak52@flyredstar.org>
>It is both bad form and a security risk to the recipient's computer system
>to
>allow receiving HTML in an email. Yes, I know that this is a fairly common
>practice but that doesn't make it good practice.
>1. it is smallest and downloads the most quickly;
>2. it cannot carry a hidden payload;
>3. it is compatible with *all* computer and mail systems.
Brian - don't scare people like this!!
We can spend days pointing out methods of letting the bad guys get to our
computers. Text emails can carry attachments with a dangerous payload.
By far the most common way malicious programs get onto local computer or
networks is by opening attachments - not hackers or spammers but normal
people opening things up they should not. It is far more dangerous browsing
the web when it comes to malicious attacks that receiving an HTML email for
the average home user.
Try and do the following just as a suggestion:
1) Always make sure you have the latest security patches and updates if
running on Windows.
2) By rule do not open attachments to emails even if they seem to be from a
known source.
3) Make sure you email program (Outlook, etc) does not load the links to
external sources by default - your HTML email them becomes just a text email
that is locally formatted. You can then decide if you want to load the nice
pics or not, just right click and say download pictures - easy.
4) Try Microsoft AntiSpyware - you can download it from the Microsoft
website for free.
5) Make sure you have some anti-virus software.
6) Software such as ZoneAlarm can help you identify programs installed on
you system that are trying to get to the outside world without you
permission.
If there is a need for us to post info on making you PC safe on the RPA
website lets hear from you and we can do so for those that feel they are not
up to speed with all this computer stuff.
Thanks,
Deon.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd
Subject: Re: Yak-List: RPA members - HTML Email problems
--> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
Drew Blahnick wrote:
> Our E-coms are "HTML" based, the same code used in any typical web page
> (forget ASP and other code types in this discussion), but in this case
> these 'web pages' are sent directly to your email inbox instead of you
> having to open a browser manually and going to the www to view...very
> convenient...
It is both bad form and a security risk to the recipient's computer system
to
allow receiving HTML in an email. Yes, I know that this is a fairly common
practice but that doesn't make it good practice.
The reason that this is not safe practice is that spammers use the technique
of embedding object links in SPAM email in order to get a response from your
computer to identify active an active email account. Hackers use this
technique to get your computer to download their virus or worm "payload"
automatically in the offhand case that your computer is not safely
configured.
If the recipient's mail program is properly and SAFELY configured then links
to content, usually pictures and other objects, will not display. If you
tell
people to automatically enable the display of HTML then you are telling them
to reduce the security level of their computer systems.
Sure, a virus program will catch the virus or worm but they will still leave
themselves open to receive more SPAM if they follow your advice.
If you wish to be a good network citizen, you will refrain from sending HTML
in your email messages and ONLY send plain text. Plain text has several
advantages too:
1. it is smallest and downloads the most quickly;
2. it cannot carry a hidden payload;
3. it is compatible with *all* computer and mail systems.
--
Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
brian-yak@lloyd.com Folsom, CA 95630
+1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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| Subject: | Re: RPA members - HTML Email problems |
--> Yak-List message posted by: Stephen Fox <jsfox@adelphia.net>
Or just get a MAC. No viruses (knock on wood) no spyware
On Nov 9, 2005, at 9:43 AM, Yak52 wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Yak52" <yak52@flyredstar.org>
>
>> It is both bad form and a security risk to the recipient's
>> computer system
>> to
>> allow receiving HTML in an email. Yes, I know that this is a
>> fairly common
>> practice but that doesn't make it good practice.
>> 1. it is smallest and downloads the most quickly;
>> 2. it cannot carry a hidden payload;
>> 3. it is compatible with *all* computer and mail systems.
>
> Brian - don't scare people like this!!
>
> We can spend days pointing out methods of letting the bad guys get
> to our
> computers. Text emails can carry attachments with a dangerous payload.
>
> By far the most common way malicious programs get onto local
> computer or
> networks is by opening attachments - not hackers or spammers but
> normal
> people opening things up they should not. It is far more dangerous
> browsing
> the web when it comes to malicious attacks that receiving an HTML
> email for
> the average home user.
>
> Try and do the following just as a suggestion:
>
> 1) Always make sure you have the latest security patches and
> updates if
> running on Windows.
> 2) By rule do not open attachments to emails even if they seem to
> be from a
> known source.
> 3) Make sure you email program (Outlook, etc) does not load the
> links to
> external sources by default - your HTML email them becomes just a
> text email
> that is locally formatted. You can then decide if you want to load
> the nice
> pics or not, just right click and say download pictures - easy.
> 4) Try Microsoft AntiSpyware - you can download it from the Microsoft
> website for free.
> 5) Make sure you have some anti-virus software.
> 6) Software such as ZoneAlarm can help you identify programs
> installed on
> you system that are trying to get to the outside world without you
> permission.
>
> If there is a need for us to post info on making you PC safe on the
> RPA
> website lets hear from you and we can do so for those that feel
> they are not
> up to speed with all this computer stuff.
>
> Thanks,
> Deon.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd
> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 8:56 AM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: RPA members - HTML Email problems
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
>
> Drew Blahnick wrote:
>
>> Our E-coms are "HTML" based, the same code used in any typical web
>> page
>> (forget ASP and other code types in this discussion), but in this
>> case
>> these 'web pages' are sent directly to your email inbox instead of
>> you
>> having to open a browser manually and going to the www to view...very
>> convenient...
>
> It is both bad form and a security risk to the recipient's computer
> system
> to
> allow receiving HTML in an email. Yes, I know that this is a fairly
> common
> practice but that doesn't make it good practice.
>
> The reason that this is not safe practice is that spammers use the
> technique
>
> of embedding object links in SPAM email in order to get a response
> from your
>
> computer to identify active an active email account. Hackers use this
> technique to get your computer to download their virus or worm
> "payload"
> automatically in the offhand case that your computer is not safely
> configured.
>
> If the recipient's mail program is properly and SAFELY configured
> then links
>
> to content, usually pictures and other objects, will not display.
> If you
> tell
> people to automatically enable the display of HTML then you are
> telling them
>
> to reduce the security level of their computer systems.
>
> Sure, a virus program will catch the virus or worm but they will
> still leave
>
> themselves open to receive more SPAM if they follow your advice.
>
> If you wish to be a good network citizen, you will refrain from
> sending HTML
>
> in your email messages and ONLY send plain text. Plain text has
> several
> advantages too:
>
> 1. it is smallest and downloads the most quickly;
>
> 2. it cannot carry a hidden payload;
>
> 3. it is compatible with *all* computer and mail systems.
>
> --
> Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
> brian-yak@lloyd.com Folsom, CA 95630
> +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
>
> I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty
> things . . .
> - Antoine de Saint-Exupery
>
>
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| Subject: | RPA members - HTML Email problems |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Sirra Hotel Deon!
Anything to whack a computer spy!
Doc
> [Original Message]
> From: Yak52 <yak52@flyredstar.org>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 11/9/2005 8:44:18 AM
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: RPA members - HTML Email problems
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Yak52" <yak52@flyredstar.org>
>
> >It is both bad form and a security risk to the recipient's computer
system
> >to
> >allow receiving HTML in an email. Yes, I know that this is a fairly
common
> >practice but that doesn't make it good practice.
> >1. it is smallest and downloads the most quickly;
> >2. it cannot carry a hidden payload;
> >3. it is compatible with *all* computer and mail systems.
>
> Brian - don't scare people like this!!
>
> We can spend days pointing out methods of letting the bad guys get to our
> computers. Text emails can carry attachments with a dangerous payload.
>
> By far the most common way malicious programs get onto local computer or
> networks is by opening attachments - not hackers or spammers but normal
> people opening things up they should not. It is far more dangerous
browsing
> the web when it comes to malicious attacks that receiving an HTML email
for
> the average home user.
>
> Try and do the following just as a suggestion:
>
> 1) Always make sure you have the latest security patches and updates if
> running on Windows.
> 2) By rule do not open attachments to emails even if they seem to be from
a
> known source.
> 3) Make sure you email program (Outlook, etc) does not load the links to
> external sources by default - your HTML email them becomes just a text
email
> that is locally formatted. You can then decide if you want to load the
nice
> pics or not, just right click and say download pictures - easy.
> 4) Try Microsoft AntiSpyware - you can download it from the Microsoft
> website for free.
> 5) Make sure you have some anti-virus software.
> 6) Software such as ZoneAlarm can help you identify programs installed on
> you system that are trying to get to the outside world without you
> permission.
>
> If there is a need for us to post info on making you PC safe on the RPA
> website lets hear from you and we can do so for those that feel they are
not
> up to speed with all this computer stuff.
>
> Thanks,
> Deon.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd
> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 8:56 AM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: RPA members - HTML Email problems
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
>
> Drew Blahnick wrote:
>
> > Our E-coms are "HTML" based, the same code used in any typical web page
> > (forget ASP and other code types in this discussion), but in this case
> > these 'web pages' are sent directly to your email inbox instead of you
> > having to open a browser manually and going to the www to view...very
> > convenient...
>
> It is both bad form and a security risk to the recipient's computer system
> to
> allow receiving HTML in an email. Yes, I know that this is a fairly
common
> practice but that doesn't make it good practice.
>
> The reason that this is not safe practice is that spammers use the
technique
>
> of embedding object links in SPAM email in order to get a response from
your
>
> computer to identify active an active email account. Hackers use this
> technique to get your computer to download their virus or worm "payload"
> automatically in the offhand case that your computer is not safely
> configured.
>
> If the recipient's mail program is properly and SAFELY configured then
links
>
> to content, usually pictures and other objects, will not display. If you
> tell
> people to automatically enable the display of HTML then you are telling
them
>
> to reduce the security level of their computer systems.
>
> Sure, a virus program will catch the virus or worm but they will still
leave
>
> themselves open to receive more SPAM if they follow your advice.
>
> If you wish to be a good network citizen, you will refrain from sending
HTML
>
> in your email messages and ONLY send plain text. Plain text has several
> advantages too:
>
> 1. it is smallest and downloads the most quickly;
>
> 2. it cannot carry a hidden payload;
>
> 3. it is compatible with *all* computer and mail systems.
>
> --
> Brian Lloyd 2243 Cattle Dr.
> brian-yak@lloyd.com Folsom, CA 95630
> +1.916.367.2131 (voice) +1.270.912.0788 (fax)
>
> I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things . . .
> - Antoine de Saint-Exupery
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Price Checker |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Jon Boede" <jon@email.net>
100LL.com seems OK but not nearly as easy to find a deal on fuel as it is
on http://www.airnav.com
Jon
> Not sure if you all of seen this site but...
>
> http://www.100ll.com/
>
> Also, Anywhere Map is having a sale on their mapping software. It is
> normally almost $300.00 and is on sale for $95.00.
> http://www.anywheremap.com/pages/vday.aspx
>
> It is a veterans day sale. While we are on the subject and I know I am a
> few
> days early but..
>
> To all of our vets, thank you for your service!
>
> Regards,
>
> Tim Gagnon, MSgt.
> Still proudly serving!!
> USAF
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RPA members - HTML Email problems |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Roger Kemp" <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
and it is IPOD user friendly.
doc
> [Original Message]
> From: Stephen Fox <jsfox@adelphia.net>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 11/9/2005 8:53:02 AM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: RPA members - HTML Email problems
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: Stephen Fox <jsfox@adelphia.net>
>
> Or just get a MAC. No viruses (knock on wood) no spyware
> On Nov 9, 2005, at 9:43 AM, Yak52 wrote:
>
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Yak52" <yak52@flyredstar.org>
> >
> >> It is both bad form and a security risk to the recipient's
> >> computer system
> >> to
> >> allow receiving HTML in an email. Yes, I know that this is a
> >> fairly common
> >> practice but that doesn't make it good practice.
> >> 1. it is smallest and downloads the most quickly;
> >> 2. it cannot carry a hidden payload;
> >> 3. it is compatible with *all* computer and mail systems.
> >
> > Brian - don't scare people like this!!
> >
> > We can spend days pointing out methods of letting the bad guys get
> > to our
> > computers. Text emails can carry attachments with a dangerous payload.
> >
> > By far the most common way malicious programs get onto local
> > computer or
> > networks is by opening attachments - not hackers or spammers but
> > normal
> > people opening things up they should not. It is far more dangerous
> > browsing
> > the web when it comes to malicious attacks that receiving an HTML
> > email for
> > the average home user.
> >
> > Try and do the following just as a suggestion:
> >
> > 1) Always make sure you have the latest security patches and
> > updates if
> > running on Windows.
> > 2) By rule do not open attachments to emails even if they seem to
> > be from a
> > known source.
> > 3) Make sure you email program (Outlook, etc) does not load the
> > links to
> > external sources by default - your HTML email them becomes just a
> > text email
> > that is locally formatted. You can then decide if you want to load
> > the nice
> > pics or not, just right click and say download pictures - easy.
> > 4) Try Microsoft AntiSpyware - you can download it from the Microsoft
> > website for free.
> > 5) Make sure you have some anti-virus software.
> > 6) Software such as ZoneAlarm can help you identify programs
> > installed on
> > you system that are trying to get to the outside world without you
> > permission.
> >
> > If there is a need for us to post info on making you PC safe on the
> > RPA
> > website lets hear from you and we can do so for those that feel
> > they are not
> > up to speed with all this computer stuff.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Deon.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 8:56 AM
> > To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Yak-List: RPA members - HTML Email problems
> >
> > --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd <brian-yak@lloyd.com>
> >
> > Drew Blahnick wrote:
> >
> >> Our E-coms are "HTML" based, the same code used in any typical web
> >> page
> >> (forget ASP and other code types in this discussion), but in this
> >> case
> >> these 'web pages' are sent directly to your email inbox instead of
> >> you
> >> having to open a browser manually and going to the www to view...very
> >> convenient...
> >
> > It is both bad form and a security risk to the recipient's computer
> > system
> > to
> > allow receiving HTML in an email. Yes, I know that this is a fairly
> > common
> > practice but that doesn't make it good practice.
> >
> > The reason that this is not safe practice is that spammers use the
> > technique
> >
> > of embedding object links in SPAM email in order to get a response
> > from your
> >
> > computer to identify active an active email account. Hackers use this
> > technique to get your computer to download their virus or worm
> > "payload"
> > automatically in the offhand case that your computer is not safely
> > configured.
> >
> > If the recipient's mail program is properly and SAFELY configured
> > then links
> >
> > to content, usually pictures and other objects, will not display.
> > If you
> > tell
> > people to automatically enable the display of HTML then you are
> > telling them
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| Subject: | compressor shut off valve |
need some help in installing kimball's release valve for the air compressor. Any
one out there with a diagram regarding the location of the release valve? thanks
for the help, the yak-50 seat mod is almost completed and if any one is interested
can provide info, moved the tub back almost 3 inches. (I am 6'6") and
now what a difference. the rear portion of the seat is a major pain .
andres yak-50m
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| Subject: | Will work for flight(s) |
To All / Any,
I am just a simple girl from the East Coast who likes to go flying, and
will be in San Mateo at the end of November (Thanksgiving to December)
Does anyone know of a good place to fly from for a visiting enthusiast?
Or a good person to fly with?
I'm "mechanically inclined" & will work for flight(s)
The last time I was in CA, I got to fly in a T-34 !!!
Respectfully,
"*Shasta*"
*"We are all islands in a common sea"
--* Anne Morrow Lindbergh
http://www.geocities.com/shasta_fly/
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| Subject: | Re: YOU WILL WIND UP WITH A LOOSE POPPET VALVE ONE DAY! |
There is also a poppet valve in the piston itself which sticks.
Ernie
On 11/8/05, cjpilot710@aol.com <cjpilot710@aol.com> wrote:
>
> In a message dated 11/8/2005 7:33:35 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> BasiliereR@ci.boulder.co.us writes:
> I am coming up on 1200 hours on mine. I've only sheared the pins on it
> once ( around 450 hours). No problems since then.
> Pappy
>
> Hey, us Sukhoi boys bypass the snot valve either electronically (mine) or
> a mechanical wire run to the front. WE BELIEVE...
> Seriously though I got 800 hours plus out of my original pump - is that
> any record???
> Respectfully, Ricky b
>
> >>> BitterlichMG@cherrypoint.usmc.mil 11/8/2005 4:42:14 PM >>>
> I think we might be talking about two different valves here Dennis. One
> POPPET type valve is located inside of the BANJO assembly found directly
> screwed to the compressor itself. This has been the valve under discussion.
> Personally, I believe this is more of a one way check valve than a poppet
> valve. I called it that because everyone else was too, but in retrospect it
> should more accurately be called a one way check valve. My belief anyway.
> The POP-OFF valve (that I believe you are talking about) is located
> after the snot-valve and of course is set to maintain the maximum allowable
> pressure.
> If you open the Snot Valve after allowing all tanks to fill, a small
> in-line check valve will prevent aircraft system pressure from being
> relieved through the snot valve, however the compressor will now vent
> directly to the outside through the opened snot valve and will not be
> working against any head pressure. The idea here is that the compressor will
> now be basically "free wheeling" and will last longer because "it is not
> working as hard". I am not really sure you gain anything by free wheeling a
> mechanical compressor or not. I do not have a degree in mechanical
> engineering and the stresses involved are over my head to mathematically
> theorize. It does seem to make sense that the compressor piston rings would
> not have as much wear when working against zero back pressure... but then
> again...... ???? You tell me.
> Mark Bitterlich
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* A. Dennis Savarese [mailto:dsavarese@elmore.rr.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 08, 2005 1:53 PM
> *To:* yak-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Yak-List: YOU WILL WIND UP WITH A LOOSE POPPET VALVE ONE
> DAY!
>
> Just my 2 cents - once the pressure has built up to the preset pressure
> of the "pop-off valve" or pressure relief valve, all excess pressure is
> being dumped overboard through the pop off valve. So why do you need to open
> the snot valve?
> Dennis
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Bitterlich GS11 Mark G <BitterlichMG@cherrypoint.usmc.mil>
> *To:* 'yak-list@matronics.com' <%27yak-list@matronics.com%27>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 08, 2005 11:19 AM
> *Subject:* RE: Yak-List: YOU WILL WIND UP WITH A LOOSE POPPET VALVE ONE
> DAY!
>
> Tom,
>
> I have been running my YAK-50 for close to 6 years now and I HAD to KEEP
> messing with that Banjo all the time... when I finally got it to where it
> would not come loose... POOF... the steel line broke. I believe I managed to
> move the weakest point to the line instead of the Banjo! This EXACT same
> thing happened to Hubie Tolson with his original 52, and now AGAIN with the
> 52 he just bought from Vladimir.
>
> ALL of the Sukhoi's use a Flex Hose instead of rigid. ALL OF THEM... 26's,
> 29,'s, 30 series, etc.
>
> I put on a flex hose 3 years ago and have not had a problem since. I used
> the Flex hose off a Sukhoi 26 smoke system, and posted a message about it
> here. I also do NOT take the banjo fitting off and clean it every year. When
> I had the problem with the banjo fitting, I only cleaned the poppet valve
> itself once. So, I have cleaned the poppet valve once, and have put a flex
> hose on it 3 years ago. The aircraft now has a total of over 600 hours on
> it, with the same original compressor. It still works perfectly.
>
> On the other hand.... the 52 that has the rigid line on it has come loose
> so many time, the threads in the compressor base where the banjo screws in
> are WORN OUT.... even though the compressor is still good, it now needs
> replacement.
>
> I really do not think it is a wise idea to remove the whole banjo to clean
> that poppet once a year. I put it in with a lifetime thread locker compound
> and with the flex line, have not messed with it since.
>
> An interesting question would be this: Many people have rigged up an
> unloader for the compressor at the snot valve, so that after they reach full
> pressure in the bottle(s), (bottles in a 50, bottle on a 52) they can open
> this up and allow the compressor to work against no head pressure. The idea
> is to extend the life of the compressor. On the flip side of that coin is
> that now, with the compressor working against no head pressure, the
> operating conditions of that poppet valve have been changed. Changed to
> WHAT, I am not exactly sure, but there is definitely going to be a
> temperature differential greater with no head pressure than there would have
> been with the head pressure, plus other factors.
>
> I do not have an unloader. I also have a flex hose. I have had NO
> compressor or poppet valve problems at all since the install of the flex
> line (or before for that matter).
>
> Just my 2 cents Tom, but I personally am not going to rip mine apart every
> year just "because".
>
> Mark Bitterlich
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom Johnson [mailto:tomjohnson@cox.net <tomjohnson@cox.net>]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 10:00 AM
> To: Yak-List@Matronics. Com
> Subject: Yak-List: YOU WILL WIND UP WITH A LOOSE POPPET VALVE ONE DAY!
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Tom Johnson" <tomjohnson@cox.net>
>
> This valve at the output of the compressor with the banjo fitting. .
> Isn't this removed and cleaned at the annual every year?
>
> Sure cuts down on compressor problems if completed.
>
> TJ
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: [ Craig Payne ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! |
Just a thought..
Has anyone considered using the air vent for the oil cooler? If one were to
tap into this from the cockpit, I would think that venturi action would tend
to suck fumes down and out. Fresh air in from the vent, and out the floor.
Ernie
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| Subject: | HELL, JUST GIVE UP YOUR FLYING ! |
Doc
I came to this list because I'm interested in YAK and all things airplane.
I didn't come here for politics. But politics DOES affect us. I've often
said we need to address relevant political issues here.
One thing I've noticed, this trend in reducing our freedoms goes waaaayyy
beyond just flying.
Allot of people don't like politics....me included.
But we NEED to make people aware of the trends in reducing our
freedoms.....especially when it comes to flying.
You may think that any one law (like the DC ADIZ) has little affect on your
life. And you're probly right so you may not give a shit.
But, please, consider the sum total of the laws passed against your
exercising your freedoms!
People have got to wake up and make a stand!
Why? Because I want to keep flying unfettered and continue to enjoy the
majority of my other rights...........
I truly believe if the trend continues we will wake up one day and say
"WHERE HAVE ALL OUR FREEDOMS GONE"?
Well, the loss is happening so gradually that you don't really notice it.
That one law was no big deal at the time, right?
You, dear reader, need to recognize this freedom reducing trend and make a
stand! The loss is as real as you reading these words.
Maybe it would help to keep partisanship out of the discussion and just
focus on our interests?
Frank
YAK-52
N9110M
K32
PS... The DC ADIZ protects only the politicians in Washington... not the
majority of the American people who are still at threat because of the
politician's flawed, past decisions on allowing immigration from violent
middle east countries. By-the-way, immigration from these countries
continues to this day.
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| Subject: | DREW, Redstars editor......... |
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Frank Haertlein" <yak52driver@earthlink.net>
DREW, Redstars editor, YAKKERS.........
When it comes to sending Redstars newsletters by email...... there is
another way.
Create a webpage that mimics the email/newsletter you would have sent.
Then send a text email with a LINK to the webpage mirroring the email you
would have sent.
For example......
Dear Redstars or other interested parties, to read the Redstars latest
newsletter click on the following link.......
http://www.eaa1000.av.org/newsletr/0505nltr.pdf
Thus, no one has to change their email settings or suffer the possibility of
getting malicious code from emails or their attachments.
Frank
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| Subject: | HELL, JUST GIVE UP YOUR FLYING ! |
Yah and the New Orleans police department will be on the front lines to protect
us from the anarchy too!
Doc
----- Original Message -----
From: Frank Haertlein
Subject: Yak-List: HELL, JUST GIVE UP YOUR FLYING !
Doc
I came to this list because I'm interested in YAK and all things airplane.
I didn't come here for politics. But politics DOES affect us. I've often said we
need to address relevant political issues here.
One thing I've noticed, this trend in reducing our freedoms goes waaaayyy beyond
just flying.
Allot of people don't like politics....me included.
But we NEED to make people aware of the trends in reducing our freedoms.....especially
when it comes to flying.
You may think that any one law (like the DC ADIZ) has little affect on your life.
And you're probly right so you may not give a shit.
But, please, consider the sum total of the laws passed against your exercising
your freedoms!
People have got to wake up and make a stand!
Why? Because I want to keep flying unfettered and continue to enjoy the majority
of my other rights...........
I truly believe if the trend continues we will wake up one day and say "WHERE HAVE
ALL OUR FREEDOMS GONE"?
Well, the loss is happening so gradually that you don't really notice it. That
one law was no big deal at the time, right?
You, dear reader, need to recognize this freedom reducing trend and make a stand!
The loss is as real as you reading these words.
Maybe it would help to keep partisanship out of the discussion and just focus on
our interests?
Frank
YAK-52
N9110M
K32
PS... The DC ADIZ protects only the politicians in Washington... not the majority
of the American people who are still at threat because of the politician's
flawed, past decisions on allowing immigration from violent middle east countries.
By-the-way, immigration from these countries continues to this day.
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